Nothing like the wine of an older MINI!

This is honestly amazing. Great video. Also a great idea for cars to be injected

That's an awesome video I run the snow performance kit on my boosted Charger it has helped me keep the motor from detonated even at much higher boost the recommended

super helpful thanks. The numbers blink and are hard to read so thanks for speaking the numbers out loud. Really appreciate this video!

Awesome vid man. Very nice to see temps moving around like this. Thinking about water meth for my supercharged frs.

Very good video! Thank you!

impressive. nice video

I've been really looking into the water/meth injection...and it was either this or a gp intercooler..but now it seems like that just because the intercooler is bigger..won't make a big difference of it being cooler...so thanks for making me come to my conclusion of getting water/meth :D

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

The GP intercooler is a very nice upgrade and its on my list of upgrades also (although I think it will do nothing for me except look really cool). But the GP intercooler is very expensive and if you are looking for bang for the buck go with the water meth, an injector duty cycle unit is the best choice, but if that is out of the price range any kit is better than none.

hi Daniel, is it okay to shoot a video on where the sensors are installed? thank you. would love to see how you setup the meth kit too ^_^ thanks for the wonderful video

Yes please! I wish someone would do a install video.

@ccooper2654

8 жыл бұрын

Well mine are already installed, but I can do a walk around and talk to you about each part. I am more than willing to help you with any questions you have.

Nice stuff ;) Can you share where do you have the spray noozle? Its before/after the intercooler? Its on piping before the T.B. or it already on I.M.? Its after compressor, because the outlet compressor temperatures keep fix... Thaks for the good job

What gauge is that for the intake air temps.

Could you tell a big difference in power output with vs without the meth injection? Seat of the pants feel?

Helpful

what's your EGTs look like? do they cool down as well when spraying?

hi friend! I'm working on a water injection kit for my car. you should make a video showing the effects of just plain water. the IAT should still drop but the AFR should be unchanged :)

What size jet did you end up running the .8?

Lol doing 130 passed the lake Mary exit I’ve done the same many time and have gotten many tickets on that same stretch Seminole county sucks..

How are you getting the iat readings?

Love the video, doing a similar set up on my Mini. One question is where did you get your A pillar gauge pod?? Ive been looking for one of those for my r53!

@veselintomic4459

6 жыл бұрын

Ive been looking for one too

nice test comparison, none of that ohh umm i feel a difference without numbers to back it up kinda review, thumbs up

@strider5119

5 жыл бұрын

You can feel a difference though, especially if your car is tuned for the injection.

This waa awesome if you wouldn't mind trying it again but add some dry ice to the meth and let it get down to -80 or so when the fog production is low and give it a rip. Bet you can get sub 50 in a similar day.

Hey I have a couple questions, but first off thanks for the video. I have a pretty mildly modded mini(all bolt ons and cams without tune) and my car ran a 16sec 1/4 when I first got it 2 years ago I ran a 14.7 but it was completely stock even the pulley. I watched my intake temp on my torque app and read 172 degrees just after staging before tossing my phone to passenger seat. So question 1 can you confirm the iat sensor the car has that my obd reader is pulling from is after the ic? I couldn't imagine it's data being useful at pre intercooler. Question 2, is there a way to set up your meth kit or maybe aem or snow kits to allow you to purge some meth into the system to cool it for examples when racing from a complete stop like at a drag strip? Right now with my ddm works intercooler diverter and intake if I'm cruising for a while I can temps within 10-15 degress of ambient air temps. Would this kit just make that happen quicker or drop it even more so that its even less of a difference.

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

superfly1842The factory IAT/Boost Pressure sensor is in the intake manifold track. I installed aftermarket sensors about 4 inches before and after the intercooler in the horns. I will try to shoot another video showing where everything is mounted soon. To answer your question about manually making the w/m system engage, the short answer is yes this could be done. BUT you have to be very careful as to not put to much in there, and personally I dont see the point, the moment the car goes to the preset boost or duty cycle to engage the w/m the temp will start to drop. RAPIDLY as you can see in the video. Yes any of the kits will cause the temp to drop much faster than just the forced air that is going over the intercooler, AND the alcohol is acting as a knock suppressor (basically 116 octane fuel while spraying w/m). If you have more question feel free to ask them I am happy to share my knowledge.

Are you mixing your own water/meth? Transmission was slipping. Shift kit.

Wow, this video is impressive. I am certainly moving water/meth injection up on my mod list! Can you give me some details about your temp delta gauge for across the intercooler? I plan on installing one soon, and am interested in how you mounted the sensors? Thanks!

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

The gauge is made by Prosport it comes with the sensors and I have one on each side of the intercooler horns.

@MatthewMenze

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooper Did you have to pull the horn on the supercharged side to tap the sensor? From what I understand you need to pull the supercharger to get that horn off, which seems to be a whole lot of work for a gauge. I'm actually looking at the one by glowshift, it has two needles on one gauge face, each temp sensor turns it's own needle. I think it will fit the retro styling. Thanks so much for your reply!

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

Matthew Menze NO, I did not pull the Supercharger it is not needed, you can remove the horns without removing the SC. with the hood open and facing the engine, the one on the right is really easy, the other one on the top of the SC is much harder as you have to remove the intake to get to the bolts. Like everything else on our cars, its not super hard, but you have to remove things to get to what you want. Here is a photo: www.c0op3r.com/images/Emma/Gauge_Cluster_Sensors_4.jpg Here is a link to the Image Directory of my Server: www.c0op3r.com/images/Emma/

@MatthewMenze

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooper So you had to pull the whole intake manifold to remove the right horn? When searching I see people saying the intake manifold can't be removed because the horn/supercharger is in the way.

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

Matthew Menze It can but its a Puzzle getting everything in and out. You have to loosen the intake manifold, take 3 of the four bolts out of the SC horn and it will cook to the side about 3/4 inch and it can be wiggled out. OR and much easier just drill in place, grease the bit, drill till it almost breaks through, clean and re-grease the bit drill through, clean up grease the tap and tap it out. I personally did not do this as I had the horns off, but I have done it on other cars.

I like this video. Simple, and shows what it does. Why a 90/10 mix though? Just curious.

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

Adam Dama - Thats what i was originally told to run but I have since moved to 80/20 Meth Water

@Jessersadler

5 жыл бұрын

50/50 would give you better cooling... as water has better heat latency.

Hello! Hopefully you see this but I was wondering about where you got your a pillar with the gauge mounts! Thank you!

@ccooper2654

2 жыл бұрын

I made it - but it is for sale now as I am selling the car also.

@dylanhalouska47

2 жыл бұрын

@@ccooper2654 would you sell it separate??

@ccooper2654

2 жыл бұрын

@@dylanhalouska47 - Messaged you on Fb

Where did you get the temp gauge?

@ccooper2654

5 жыл бұрын

I think it was made by Glo Shift but just search for dual temperature gauge

Very nice video for water/meth. I like the sound your car makes with the system. I just bought a snow GM stage 2 kit for my cobalt SS/SC It has a lot of mods on it already. It should be a nice addition. I would like to see how well your mini-S does against my SS.

hey man what tune are you running? thanks

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

stephen woskoska At the time of that Video, I was running a custom RMW tune for the Meth. I have since moved to 440cc injectors and a RMW Head and a 'canned' tune for my current setup. RMW Head, Dominator Cam, RMW Exhaust Header. it is no longer tuned for the meth. But at the track it was 2/10th quicker with the Meth ON than OFF.

Can you add water/meth injection without doing a tune? Just to cool the intake temps?

@ccooper2654

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you can, I have a tune but I am only using the water meth to cool the charge and make it so it gets a nice consistent temperature in the IAT.

@hanifaryo2303

4 жыл бұрын

You can. As long it doesn't make the air to fuel ratio too rich

Where did you place the methanol nozzle?

@ccooper2654

10 жыл бұрын

Its about 4 inches after the intercooler.

Hi ! what size are the meth nozzles you are using ?! Thank"s in advance Brs

@ccooper2654

8 жыл бұрын

AquaMist rates theirs in .6 .7 .8 .9 etc of a mm. I am Running the .8mm jet.

@kana227

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there. You are running 0.8mm but at what flowrate?

This looks so preatty, is this in hawaii?

@ccooper2654

8 жыл бұрын

+SURTO FAK - No Orlando Florida

im curious though, where were you spraying your water meth? pre supercharger? but it looks more like after the supercharger with those charger outlet temps

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

bhearts77You are correct it is WELL after the supercharger, and only about 4 inches from the main intake running.

@ScootersMum1

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooper this is awesome. But wouldn't it be more effective to run pre-supercharger?

@AdamA2828

9 жыл бұрын

ScootersMum1 I know its turbos, it will eat the blades slowly and shorten life. It can also chemically alter the map settings. I'd assume roughly the same for superchargers. Plus, right before tb gives best cooling/meth intake.

@bhearts77

9 жыл бұрын

Adam Dama it's all about pressure ratios. If you can cool that pressurized charge down, it's the same volume of air, but less pressure. So the supercharger doesn't take as much hp to compress it. Roots styled blowers might take 10hp to make 4psi, 25 to make 8, and 45 to make 12.

@AdamA2828

9 жыл бұрын

bhearts77 right. I'm just not sure if it will eat away at a supercharger like it will a turbo. I know basic supercharger concepts and workings, not so much what they use on the inside. I'm more on the turbo side of cars. :)

what temperature gauge is that? I've been searching everywhere but can't find it

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

jose rivera ProSport Dual Temp Gauge

@joserivera2544

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooper thanks for the quick reply!!!

You're using your WM kit without tuning?

@ccooper2654

3 жыл бұрын

Car was not tuned at the time of this video but was tuned later, but you can use a kit without tuning for cooler charge temps, your AFR will just be a little fatter.

@theamirecas6360

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccooper2654 how much power you gain from without tuning?

@ccooper2654

3 жыл бұрын

@@theamirecas6360 You will see almost no power increase from W/M alone. It will basically act as a charge cooler and octane booster, so it adds safety but no power on its own.

I have been looking into water/meth and I went on the Mini forum and someone said this will NOT increase power on a mini... is that true? I'm thinking he is false especially after seeing your temps drop that much. I was just thinking about going with a CAI, Electric water pump, 19% Pulley, Water/Meth and Dyno tune. Why 90/10%? It seems that most people go with full Meth for easier tune/power gains as to mixing and testing. I am debating 100% Meth, 50/50, or full water. It seems that water is only useful if you can get the engine to heat up a lot then increase timing. What kind of power increase do you think the kit brought you? And is the HFS-3 better than the HFS-2? I'm kind of lost on these kits on a R53 as the information seems limited. Thanks!

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

I would have to say that the w/m itself does not increase power; but that being said it enables you to do more with what you have, you mentioned the 19% pulley, in the upper RPM range you are creating a lot of heat, w/m will help keep that in check. Thus reducing the temp, and making it where you can use all the power the additional boost creates without the computer having to pull the timing back so that you do not have detonation. You can also tune for a more advanced ignition curve, with the w/m. But that all being said w/m is not like nitrous, on its own it will not add power, only enable to use the other power adders that you have to the full extent. I will never heat soak my intercooler no matter how hot is outside as the w/m will always pull the temp back down. Hope that info helps.

@geedunk13

9 жыл бұрын

Thanks a lot!! That definitely helped, since the application is going to be similar to yours do you feel like 90/10% is a good mix in the mini? Or if you were to start over would you go for a different mix?

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

geedunk13 I started with a 50/50 mix and the R53 did not like that as well as having a good bit more Methanol. I am currently running 80/20 mix with very good success. I buy M1 in a 5 gallon jug for 43$ and add 1 gallon of distilled and it works perfect. That mix last me 6 months.

@kaymalai2

7 жыл бұрын

+C Cooper (c0op3r) Are you sure it will not increase power? Other manufacturers like SNOW PERFORMANCE state that even installing AFTER an existing chip tuning (like APR Stage 1) a car like an Audi A3/S3 will gain power due to higher octane level (Audi motor management will adapt to it and increase power) ..... So what do you think about that claim?

@ccooper2654

7 жыл бұрын

No W/W by itself will not increase the power. BUT with W/M you get a cooler charge and can advance timing, which will increase power. So you have to tune for it. If you do not tune for W/M what you get is a car that will have extremely repeatable power, as the cars ECU is not pulling timing when its hot,. Now you tune for it you can add timing (therefore power) but you need to be careful, because running that tune without W/M you will have detonation and high EGT. SO a failsafe is required.

What is the flow/minute of your nozzle ?

@ccooper2654

7 жыл бұрын

David - I dont know the exact number I am using the .8mm jet from the kit. If you really want to know I can put the system in test mode and find out for you.

@140120145

7 жыл бұрын

C Cooper In fact I asked that to you because I would like to mount one of thèse kits on my 1600 turbo rally car and I would like to have an idea of the water/meth consumption when you drive fast.

@ccooper2654

7 жыл бұрын

Well you can adjust when it comes on and the pulse rate, in the controller. So you could fine tune it for exactly what you want for your car. I can tell you I have a friend that does track day events and set to spray on any boost he will go through a gallon of meth, in one track run, but that is extreme. I personally use 3/4 of a gallon of meth to about 3 tanks full of fuel, (fuel tank is about 12 gallons).

I'm not sure how you would accurately gauge the intake temp difference as you're not supposed to install the nozzle before the AIT sensor. Also most of the work that water meth does happens in the combustion chamber. In addition you stated you run a 90% meth mix, which isn't ideal. Its common knowledge that the best gains are seen at a near 50/50 mix of water meth. More isn't always better.

@Carguylogan

6 жыл бұрын

tdawg719 50/50 is the best compromise between cost and power. Pure water injection COSTS power because water doesn't burn but instead takes up space where air/fuel could be. People who use methanol injection for serious applications like dedicated race cars almost always use 100% methanol because it provides the most power even though water has twice the LHV.

Is something wrong with your transmission?

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

No the car is an Automatic, Redline is ~6800 in manual mode.

@MrBiohazard878

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cooper yeah I figures it's an auto but it shifts really slowly and it seems that the torque converter slips (Rev decrease at the end of the shift)

@caseycappoen251

9 жыл бұрын

MrBiohazard878 I would have to agree. Seems like something is delayed.

@ccooper2654

9 жыл бұрын

***** - Also its not in Sport Mode, I almost always forget to put it in sport mode. Last i would not doubt that its getting close to needing a rebuild/replace.

@Carguylogan

6 жыл бұрын

What you heard was the transmission shifting gears followed by the torque converter clutch locking up directly after.

Where did you get your A-pillar gauge cluster?

@ccooper2654

8 жыл бұрын

+Da Zach - Its a hand built piece no one makes one in the US to the best of my knowledge.

@dazach2807

8 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Cooper how much would you charge to make another?

@ccooper2654

8 жыл бұрын

Sorry not really interested in making another, there is a guy on LXM that was making them though for a while.

The air coming out of the charger is 270 Fahrenheit ?!?

Auto ?????

Spray before the TB...

@ghostwrench2292

3 ай бұрын

Some other applications, yes. Not on R53.

METH INJECTION lol

It is a girl's car.

@ccooper2654

5 жыл бұрын

Now you tell me . . .