While Japan greatly appreciate Water Margin, it had different meaning and significance to them compared to the Chinese readers. But I think it’s great how the same text could mean different things to different cultures, but still considered a masterpiece.

@gille90

Жыл бұрын

what about the 4th masterpiece . dream of the red chamber. never heard of that one in the west. t

@Palmakify

Жыл бұрын

Which TV adaption should be watched?

@brunofranco4416

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I CANT WAIT FOR THIS SERIES

@hanchiman

Жыл бұрын

@@gille90 I think reason why Red Chamber wasn't so "known" outside of China could be that it a drama novel, and didn't have much action adventure like Three Kingdom, Water Margin or even Journey to the West. Still would be nice to have Jin Pei Mei to be translated, which is basically a Erotic novel based on a story arc of Water Margin, like Wu Chongs sister in Law

@zetareticulan321

Жыл бұрын

@CP Mak I recommend the 1998 cctv version. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Water_Margin_(1998_TV_series)

The Water Margin is like if somebody novelized a DND campaign where all the players were murder hobos.

@inotaishu1

Жыл бұрын

And cannibals

@boulderbash19700209

Жыл бұрын

@@inotaishu1 True that.

Journey to the West: Desciple, help me! Dream of Red Chamber: Sister, help me! Romance of Three Kingdom: Young brothers, help me! Water Margin: Young brother, help me!

@aswiran

Жыл бұрын

lol well said!

@CaiZhongwen2023

Жыл бұрын

Haha😂

A bit of background on the Water Margin story. They were actual rebels during the end of the Northern Song dynasty. Led by Song Jiang, he and his band of 36 men attacked towns and counties. However, after capturing the government offices, they would open the government storage and distribute the grains and monies. After a few years, they were defeated by a general named Zhang Shuye and surrendered with amnesty. Not much is known after that as the Northern Song dynasty fell soon by the Jurchen Jin dynasty. Since then, people had been writing fan fiction about Song Jiang and his band of 36.

@dubuyajay9964

Жыл бұрын

So, this guy was wrong about them being pure fiends in the first 70 chapters?

@theawesomeman9821

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like he's Robin Hood

@cupidok2768

Жыл бұрын

Y sounds like robinhood

@ranjithanura520

Ай бұрын

I have read the book. And I have the down loaded and printed book with me.

“江湖” Jianghu, basically represents those who shun the rules and rigidness of the civil society and the government. They live according to their own "code of conduct" and are not beholden to any authority. There's a lot of food for thought in the Water Margin. I haven't read the entire work, but I remember this line from it - "Before you throw away a system that has worked for a thousand years, be sure that it's not because you see only problems. Be very sure you know what's to replace it."

@inotaishu1

Жыл бұрын

Do you also remember the revenge cannibalism?

@da1stlangzai

Жыл бұрын

The pugilistic world

It is always an auspicious day when one of the four great classics are covered 😊

reading this novel turned me into a benevolent, righteous youth who traveled by rivers and lakes. of course, it never ends well.

@arielquelme

9 ай бұрын

Lmao.. U followed ur dreams

Definitely looking forward to your Water Margin series. Can't wait!

Yes, I loved your "summarized" series! Really looking forward to the upcoming Water Margin summarized series!

This is really exciting! I'm going to try reading the actual book this year and see if I can keep up with this channel.

Ooh, definitely looking forward to your summarized series. I'm familiar with RTK and Journey To The West, but I never got around to Water Margin. (Also, does this mean that Inuyasha is basically "What if Wukong starred in Water Margin"?)

@CoolHistoryBros

Жыл бұрын

"(Also, does this mean that Inuyasha is basically "What if Wukong starred in Water Margin"?)" LOL! I think you found the secret formula.

@ajithsidhu7183

Жыл бұрын

@@CoolHistoryBros what can we learn about hao han from this book/novel

@ajithsidhu7183

Жыл бұрын

@@CoolHistoryBros isn't this the chinese version of dulla jatt

@maribellehamoy6087

8 ай бұрын

And what if Tang Sanzang is genderbent into Water Margin as well?

Thank you for sharing this with us!

That was amazing! I always wanted to read the Four Great Classical Novels of Chinese Literature: Water Margin, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Journey to the West and Dream of the Red Chamber. But I was worried it would take me forever to understand the cultural backgrounds and why these novels are so studied and remembered. Especially with why Japanese media is so obsessed with them all besides the last (and why that didn't take off). Your introductions to these novels and pop culture awareness is exactly what I needed to gain the confidence in reading them!

@guangyang547

Жыл бұрын

The dream of red chamber is very different from all other three. It is hard to describe its beauty, linguistically, culturally, artistically. Some thinks it is like the sculpture God Venus. Beauty with amputation as its end 1/3 got lost and another wrote the end.

Brilliant video, hope we get more such content on Chinese classics.

I've always found the story intriguing, I'm one of those people who discovered the story because of the Suikoden games, I found the story about a group of people from all walks of life teaming together an interesting concept. I even went through a Water Margin phase for a while back in college when I tried to read or watch any Water Margin related media, including the classic Shaw Bros. film adaptations. I know you already talked about him in "Wu Zetian and the Book of Evil" but I would like to see a more comprehensive video on Di Renjie and what led to the Judge Dee stories and their effects on detective fiction.

Keeping track of 108 protagonists has to be a headache. Kudos to the writers!

@Gb-be9bn

Жыл бұрын

Some are given more attention than others. I believe "Nine-tailed Turtle" Tao Zongwang only has 2 lines about him for example

@boulderbash19700209

Жыл бұрын

I played Koei's Bandit King of Ancient China, so I knew their names, although the game also let you to recruit generals from government officials and Fang La followers too.

@nidohime6233

Жыл бұрын

Say that to Pokémon fans.

CJ, you're such a beast of a content creator, please never stop (and consider uploading something to "Never Stop Thinking", 'One Dnd' is around the corner ;) much love from Brazil!

You finally talking about my favorite novel ！ 😄😄😄 definitely suggest folks go to watch the TV drama too!

Thank you for upcoming summarized series. In movies, the outlaws fought Fang La only. In writing, they also fought Liao. In writing, Lin Chong died of paralysis. In movie, Lin Chong died of not avenging Gao Qiu. I will be waiting for your videos. 😁

If you guys are interested, there's a KZread channel called, the water margin podcast in which the reader goes through each chapter with commentary explaining certain cultural aspects of the setting that might be alien or confusing for non chinese listeners.

@GentlemenofAction

Жыл бұрын

Finished it about 2 months, it was great

The Water Margin Podcast was so good. A perfect modern retelling.

@alkristopher

Жыл бұрын

Yuuuuuuus, so glad to run into another fan!

@johnchao2422

Жыл бұрын

The dude is such a g

Can't wait for the summary! And also for the Dream of the Red Chamber because I gave up after 2 chapters

Thank you so much for covering this story. Also I love how Rui made Song Jiang a manlet lol

I have book of Water Margin in Indonesia Language(batas tepi air), I play game Suikoden of PSx, PSP, NDS and PS2, also have watch old version of Water Margin series. Most story' concentrate on 108 Star of Destiny Hero.

Awesome. I'd also recommend the Outlaws of the Marsh podcast, if you'd prefer to listen rather than read. It's a long one, but probably the best way to get the full story.

This a great book. Thanks for the video. Brings back memories from when I was reading it. My intro to wuxia!

Thank you , another book to add to my reading list.

Used to love the tv series as a kid, I remember admiring the characters but it was so long ago I struggle to remember specifics so I found this really interesting.

Suikoden 1 and 2 are my absolute favorite Non-Square RPGs. I also look forward to Eiyuden.

Suikoden is my favourite RPG game more than FF, it's unique that we must recruit 108 characters with different skills

A bit unrelated to your video, but I noticed in the comments that alot of none Chinese have way more knowledge than me in Three Kingdoms and now Water Margin. Makes me happy to see Chinese novels having wider audience outside of Asia. Hope one day they will also encounter Dream of Red Chamber too

thank you for the wonderful book description and Chinese morality lesson.

I love Suikoden 2. It`s an unforgettable experience

I can't wait to watch your summary! As long as this version of Suikoden doesn't have missable Stars of Destiny so I miss out on the good ending :/

@devofanj9452

Жыл бұрын

Heh. None of them are "missed", but this version has no "good" ending. At best, it can be described as bittersweet.

GensoSuikoden or Suikdoen video game is how I encounter such rich Chinese literature

There is a saying amongst Chinese families: "When you are young, do not read Water Margin. When you are old, do not read Romance of the Three Kingdoms." Maybe you should comment on this.

The way East Asian cultures shared and interpreted literature seems similar to Western Europe and King Arthur stories! They passed the stories around, being re-told to suit each region's taste, being influenced by and influencing other retellings. I just think that's neat :] Is there a particular translation of Water Margin you recommend? I am leaning towards "All Men are Brothers," because I have read two books by the translator. I am inclined to trust her translation because though she is American, she was raised in China, and her original books seem to follow more Chinese literary conventions than Western (Tragic arcs and all.)

CJ! Yes! After ROTK and then water margin! You still have a lot in line....in the future please also summarize Feng Shen Yan Yi.

Great video

I was about to ask for a Journey to the West breakdown citing it as a significant modern media influence originating from a 16th century Chinese novel - then realized I'd searched for "hourney" (typo) on your video page. So, I'm heading over to the JttW video you already have now.

There might be more similarities with Robin Hood after all: the earliest Robin Hood ballads frequently depict him and his men as rude, violent assholes, and they're clearly of the yeoman class (commoners, but free unlike most peasants/serfs, and typically small landholders), and more concerned with basic generosity to all individuals than redistributing wealth to the poor. It's the later Robin Hood stories that elevate him to the nobility and add the "take from the rich, give to the poor" and other more explicitly political themes like the Saxons revolting against Norman oppression.

@yuxuanliu338

Жыл бұрын

It is an excellent comparison but the truth might be the opposite. In the earlier story, Water Margin was more oriented to the general public as oral literature. In that period Water Margin retained a great deal of good imagery of heroic robbers and how they fought against evil to protect the good. At some later time, a talented literary man, who collected and wrote most of the book, wanted to reach a predominantly educated literary audience. He added many twisted, dark hints that show the brutal side of these bandits and the weaknesses of heroic characters, indicating heroes are not actually as glorious as in folklore. He added many 'realist' style of writing compared to the fantasy style that still partly remained in today's work.

@bmlgordon

Жыл бұрын

I was looking for this comment. I’ve read a fair amount of ballad texts, including the Robin Hood ballads, and there are instances of Robin and his men being violent and callous, wanton killings and sexual assaults. The ballads were cleaned up immensely before becoming children’s stories.

Oh wow I've played Suikoden 2! Its a really great game

Immediately caught my eye to watch this video. I am old haha The Water Margin was the most beloved TV series I watched as a child in the 70's. Im not sure I have ever seen a TV show with such diverse characters and weaving story since honestly. I know very little of the original story and all these years later, I guess, better late than never ;)

Yess i am listening to the audiobook, it's a long one but an interesting one

I got that copy of Water Margin! Admittedly I wouldn't mind getting a less abridged version but I'm not sure how to go about tracking down the complete story. Honestly I love the descriptions of meals in the book, at some point I gotta prepare some of the cuisine from this book. The summarized series will be a real treat, as here's a lot of nuance I know I missed.

Yahoooo! Water Margin summarized!!!!

Yes please do cover water margin. And thank you

Nice video

Very eager to see the summarized series. I've also really enjoyed the water margin podcast which was a chapter by chapter summary podcast that just finished recently (he also plans to do investiture of the gods and has one done for three kingdoms). One thing I was curious about was the casual cannibalism depicted in the novel. I've seen some papers talk a out it as a metaphorical evening of the classes but most of what I came across while looking wasn't in English so any further context on that would be great.

@alkristopher

Жыл бұрын

Always great to see another fan of that podcast!

This is my favorite novel of all time growing up - but I never finished it past the point where they gathered the 108 as I was already aware of how it ended. I could understand the sentiments of the people at the time regarding the final season arc.

I've been waiting for some one to cover this... is there a chance where you do a whole video covering the tale and it's heroes ?

Damn, I've been thinking about reading this. I need to get around to that soon.

Nice video, I'm glad you're spotlighting Water Margins, which isn't as well known as the other three famous novels. I actually think that it's three-part structure was the intended arc, regardless who wrote it, and that the outlaws' downfall was necessary for the story to work. I always felt that the outlaws were simultaneously an extended metaphor and extended fantasy of the scholar-officials (or aspirants thereof) that comprised the main literate audience at the time. How do you balance what you feel to be righteous and just, with what you are obliged to do (i.e. obey the emperor)? Tons and tons of scholar-officials were exiled, punished, or downright executed because they asserted what they thought was righteous in court, and ended up displeasing the emperor. (Or displeasing the faction in court that the emperor was listening to at the time.) Su Shi was exiled for this; Sima Qian spoke up and had to choose death or castration. The story's attempt to reconcile these two equally important but sometimes contradictory value systems reminds me a bit of the English mediaeval poem Sir Gawain and the Green Knight & the other Arthurian legends, which tries to reconcile chivalry (violent, honor-based) with Christianity (spiritual, without concept of honor and no glorification of inflicting violence). I think the outlaws are a projected fantasy on the part of the highly cultivated scholar-official class in an attempt to negotiate between righteousness and (Confucian) morality. The outlaws are, throughout the novel, opposed to the corrupt local officials. These represent the literati's court enemies, the bureaucrats the scholar-officials know are bad but whom they're afraid of criticizing because they have influence. So every time one of the outlaws kills a corrupt official, it's like the upright scholar-officials can fantasizing that justice is being served. Another reason, I think, for the outlaws being outlaws is due to Yue Fei's legacy; Yue Fei was famously martial, famously loyal to the emperor, and had a famously tragic end. IIRC, upright officials in the book tend to be spared (and anyway Song Jiang is one of them -- he is literally a sholar-official who becomes an outlaw, thus an avatar for the audience). But the price of fantasy is reality, and I think that explains the downward arc of the last third of the book. The entire book is predicated on wrestling with the balance between righteousness and Confucian morality, and, almost like Wagner's solution in Tristan und Isolde, the only way it works out is death. Also, although the outlaws are immoral by our standards, acts that shock us today probably wouldn't be as shocking back then. On Li Kui killing that boy, I remember reading about a legal case from the Han dynasty in which it was decided that a son should be executed because he reported his father for a crime, despite the righteousness of the deed of reporting a crime; apparently worse was the unfilial act. IIRC, there's also a part in Romance of the Three Kingdoms where a righteous farmer kills his wife and feeds her to his guest (I forget who it is - Liu Bei?). That's an example of righteousness! And notably, although the outlaws are a rowdy bunch, I can't recall them committing adultery, least of all with each others' wives. So there were definitely certainly types of immorality that, because they were abhorred by the scholar-official class, was not written into the outlaws' behavior.

@schadenfreude6274

Жыл бұрын

Water Margin isn't as well known as the other 3 novels? Did you even watch this video? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

@ninjaluc79

Жыл бұрын

@@schadenfreude6274 I think he meant not as massively popular as RoTK or Journey to the West.

@gunh4129

Жыл бұрын

@@ninjaluc79 Maybe because Koei hasn't make a Musou game with Water Margin as the base. But it is understand-able as Water Margin is a story of moral ambiguity in today standard moral value . Who know what will those children's think after they obsessed with the game and then read the novel. They may form a gang with "righteous mind" pridefully.

How would I learn about these topics without your channel?

Excited for Water Margin series (and potentially Dream of the Red Chamber), but still hope we'll also get a historical series.

I've been watching your Animated Water Margin video with the Suikoden Tablet of Stars opened on another page. Some characters were really quite obvious who they were influenced by from the book, they were easy to guess which without looking it up.

There is a podcast about the Water Margin. 100+ episodes. The same guy also made a podcast about The Romance of the three kingdoms. Name of the podcast are the names of the books.

Yes!!! Finally

Black Whirlwind was a companion in Jade Empire. I did not know that came from somewhere else before watching this. Awesome!

Regardless of the content I have to say that it's a really good name too! I wonder if other more modern authors took names of ancient Chinese authors and anglicized them? Thanks for another excellent video my friend!

@schadenfreude6274

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping to have a 108 gangbang pr0n. They should call it "Water Squirting Margin" :)

I grew up reading this shui hu chuan when i was about 12-13. Learned about brotherhood, justice and morale. Really good story, although kinda use harsh language for young readers 😁. It's better to also read three kingdoms with this, to balance our learning of the principles 😂.. but afterwards, might get interested to read more about pang jin lian 🤤

I'm away to try find the Audio book now

I read Jin Shengtan's version and I absolutely love it. I think a good analogy with a western work would be the three Musketeers: the narrator keep telling us how brave they are, how important justice is to them, how they value friendship above all else, but really they are just a bunch of drunks/idiots/perverts who just do whatever they want.

@blackrebelz

Жыл бұрын

The personalities of the Water Margin bold fellows are far more varied than that. Some of them were honorable soldiers captured in battle. One was a well-behaved horse doctor who was forced to join the outlaws after being framed (by the outlaws themselves!) for murder. Yang Zhi, one of my favorites, just wanted to live up to the honor of ancestors. But had no choice but to join the band after a string of bad luck. The markedly different personalities and life stories help explain its undying appeal.

On your other Watermargin video i recognised the location: Liang Shan Po. In the 80s i saw a TV Series "Die Rebellen vom Liang Shan Po". I realized i was watching the Japanese 1973 "Suikoden" TV Show. I did not remembet much. But man, i enjoyed your Watermargin and Romance of the three Kingdoms Videos.

Suikoden fans would love this

Fans of the Suikoden video game series, especially the second game, please stand up!

Maybe one day Water Margin will be popular worldwide 🙌

@jamesbarnes3832

Жыл бұрын

"0ne day", ha. It already is for people in the know around the world.

Awesome video. I suck at Chinese- and more importantly, I don’t feel fluent in Chinese Culture, but one of my goals is to eventually be able to read all four classic novels, starting from my childhood fav Journey to the West and eventually making my way to Dream of the Red Chamber (please cover that story one day). Thank you so much for these super insightful videos that put things into context 🔥🔥🙏🙏

@lesliewen3428

Жыл бұрын

lol you're everywhere

@lam7499

Жыл бұрын

Eyy I'm just finishing up the same challenge myself! Currently on the third volume of dream of red chamber You'll learn a lot just by reading through the stories, good luck to you and have fun.

@andyzhang7890

Жыл бұрын

@@lesliewen3428 LMAOO I’m chronically online, how u been bro

@sws212

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, I wouldn't recommend Red Chamber, it's just a different type of writing. No action like the other three.

@shanwnt1657

Жыл бұрын

@@sws212 Dream of the Red Chamber was produced in western opera form by Taiwanese director Stan Lai with a Chinese and pan -Asian cast for the San Francisco opera.

Appreciate the sense that long ago times were not that different from the present, tatoeba, both times wrote fanfics or homages.

Suikoden 2 was my very first RPG, and opened my eyes to vast world of tales and fantasies; and while the sequel is even further from the broad strokes of the first game, it wouldn't exist if not for Water Margin.

@raisingwings2913

Жыл бұрын

Too bad Konami doesn't realize how great it is

@alkristopher

Жыл бұрын

@@raisingwings2913 That's why Eiyuden Chronicles is on its way.

@alkristopher

Жыл бұрын

That's a hell of a first RPG (the fifth game is even better, if you ask me). I've always likened the game to a cross between Pokemon and Game of Thrones, while the novel is "what if Klingons put on a performance of Robin Hood, and set it in China"?

@raisingwings2913

Жыл бұрын

@@alkristopher in a way , it is Pokemon meets Game of Thrones but better

@ninjaluc79

Жыл бұрын

Same here, and I still play it repeatedly around 20 years later. I have also played Suikoden 1 and am planning to play the PS2 Suikoden games. Suikoden 3 may be a bit far from the broad strokes of the first two games, but its Tenkai Star Thomas is actually the closest to the original Tenkai Star Song Jiang, in that both were not warriors unlike the other Tenkais (although Thomas has potential to become a fine one, you just need to train him A LOT for him to reach that potential) but they did most of the work in gathering their respective 108 Stars of Destiny. Fun fact: Suikoden 2 was said to be based on the Chu-Han Contention between Liu Bang (Riou the MC) and Xiang Yu (split into Luca Blight, who got his martial reputation and his more brutal side; and Jowy, who got his more compassionate side), which CJ had already covered in a previous video. Liu Bang's chief strategist Han Xin was split into Shu, who got his strategic talents; and Klaus, who got his humility and origin story of working previously for Xiang Yu.

Where can i watch water margin series with english subtitle ?

I remember there was a PC game based on this literature around the '80 / '90. Quite famous and good game, however it lacks the popularity against RTK games as there was only 1 game (as far as I know)

Thank you

One memorable episode from Water Margin is when Wu Song nearly ate dumplings made from human meat (he saw public hair in the filling!) and almost became dumplings himself!

@alkristopher

Жыл бұрын

Ever been so drunk that you beat tigers to death with your bare hands? Well, a funny thing happened to me as I stumbled home from an all-night bender... (Baba O'Reilley plays)

@unimenjayatextile1478

Жыл бұрын

So this is story is inspiration of folklore horor story about dumpling make from human meat in asia.

@ucnguyen6375

Жыл бұрын

@@unimenjayatextile1478 more like some real life events influence those stories, famine can make people do a lot of terrible things

@shanwnt1657

Жыл бұрын

Wuxia director Tsui Hark used human meat buns trope in his film New Dragon Gate Inn, with Maggie Cheung as the innkeeper in charge of fresh meat.

I seen tv shows about this book before. Also movies i do believe where out too.

I played mount and blade : warband 108 heroes mod, so this is the tale How interesting..

I found the first 2 thirds (until the 108 stars were gathered) translated, and it could be a bit long, but it was... interesting. Seeing the protagonists at times act like total jerks made it clear just how different the culture was. On the plus side, it was quite clear where Bioware borrowed from for their Black Whirlwind character.

@zetareticulan321

Жыл бұрын

We need Jade Empire 2!

I loved the TV series that used to play on BBC... it was a fantastic story and series.

Damn, it never gets easy hearing the ending

where can i watch water margin tv series 1999?

When I worked in China long ago I read multiple-volume translations of Journey to the West and Romance of the Three Kingdoms but for whatever reason I couldn't get into Water Margin. I do remember it started with someone killing a tiger bare-handedly and there was an adulterous affair. I'm looking forward to your description of the novel.

@Gb-be9bn

Жыл бұрын

It actually started with an epidemic in China (wait a minute...) The emperor ordered grand marshal Hong to find the best Taoist priest in the empire to quell the epidemic. Grand marshal Hong then stumbled upon a sealed temple and accidentally unleashed 108 demons into the world. The 108 demons reincarnated into 108 heroes decades later

@deanzaZZR

Жыл бұрын

@@Gb-be9bn The version I had was from Mainland China where I was working. I think the translator/editor skipped over this part!

@ttytty6940

Жыл бұрын

That adultery affair also has a spin off erotic novel call Jin Ping Mei or The Plum in the Golden Vase 😂

@deanzaZZR

Жыл бұрын

@@ttytty6940 That was related? I actually read some of that. Unfortunately the juicier parts of the English translation where translated in Latin. WTF? 😆

@ttytty6940

Жыл бұрын

@@deanzaZZR it’s related with Hu Song the guy that killed tiger, his sister in law had affair with a rich guy & they killed his brother with poison, so he killed them both to avenge and fled to Liang Mountain & joined with the gangs… but the main character is the rich guy that fxxk everybody 😂😂

Please do the dream of the red chamber next.

and now i miss suikoden series game

If it is not too much of an extra trouble, may I ask you would mark the pīnyīn tones to the Chinese names and words shown on your videos? It would be a great help for my language studies.

They’re not Sherwood Forest’s Merry Men. They’re more like the Sopranos.. can’t wait for a Netflix adaptation!!

@boulderbash19700209

Жыл бұрын

No! Don't!

Another glorious video to wrap it up. ✨ .. huh? Wait, you can't just tell me about someone marrying a murderous dog and leave me on a cliffhanger like that!!! Come back!

Do you plan to make videos regarding Judge Bao (Bao Zheng) ? the series quite famous in Indonesia during 90's (one of my childhood memories) and I believe the stories were also good.

@boulderbash19700209

Жыл бұрын

The book is Seven Heroes and Five Gallants. You can find it on internet.

@Adr1192

Жыл бұрын

@@boulderbash19700209 err, what?

@boulderbash19700209

Жыл бұрын

@@Adr1192 The source stories of Bao Zheng were from that book.

@Adr1192

Жыл бұрын

Ohh, that's what you meant. Okay, thank you

I think I like the outlaws version.

Suikoden is my favorite rog of all time, I don't know it was based on a book! I'm getting it,

I highly recommend looking up Water Margin Podcast if you wanna hear an entertaining reading of this classic novel. John Zhu does a good reading of this.

The most memorable story in Water Margin for me is the story of Dương Chí (I don't know know the English name for him, so I will just use the Vietnamese name instead) . So this guy is basically some police officer of that time, who used to work for the government, he was given the job to escort a ton of government supplies. But because of Ngô Dụng using cheap trick to knock him and his team out and steal all the goods, he became a criminal, put in jail and later become a bandit leader himself. And that is not all, Ngô Dụng (the advisor of the Lương Sơn Bạc gang) later gaslight and manipulate him to join their criminal gang, become one of 108 hảo hán too.

@soegengsoeprijanto45

Жыл бұрын

Blue faced demon yang zhi

@Trgn

Жыл бұрын

Dương = Yang, Chí = Zhi, Ngô = Wu, Dụng = Yong. Lương Sơn = Liangshan

@kendonl.taylor5111

11 ай бұрын

😊

The one classic I haven’t read yet. Love Three Kingdoms and Journey to the West.

What Netflix adaptation of water margin? Anyone know?

For some reason part of me thought about Warhammer making Water Margin for Cathay if they release Fantasy Roleplay. Mostly because Water Margin’s anti hero being more in line with Warhammer’s dark universe (unlike 40k, Fantasy had genuine heroism but has room for anti heroes. Even if I see Cathay is too utopian compared to Empire and Bretonnia despite being a authoritarian realm with dragons who barely get along and Mass conscription.)

I remember reading a Singaporean comic of it and learned finally what "values dissonance" mean. Because I absolutely loathe Li Kui, one of the heroes

When are you going to do Dream if Red Chamber?

At 3:03, it's more like against the Neo Confucianism ideology adopted by the state. The original Confucianism during the Spring and Autumn period was different from the ones in the Song and Ming Dynasty.

@gilgameschvonuruk4982

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How were they different?

Can we also have Dream of the red chamber summarized after Water Margin is finished

You aren't kidding about the last few chapters being a tragedy. I've read the novel three or four times and all the times after the first I pretty much had to stop after Zhang Shun died. It's just blow after blow

@jamesbarnes3832

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But... Spoilers!

Just nitpicking, the pinyin for 水 is "shui" not "sui", but awesome video anyway.You just have to do one more video on "the dream of the red chamber" and your classical novel series is complete.

@lesliewen3428

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he probably has a southern chinese accent