Good info. Time to stealth camp in Dan's backyard, the tents are already set up👍

@hikingwithrosy

3 жыл бұрын

😂👍

@TheTrailDancer

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@rowanmulvey8632

3 жыл бұрын

Camp out at Dan's house, I'll bring the marshmellows

@dniemi58

3 жыл бұрын

I could’ve sworn I saw Steve Wallis setting up a stealth hammock back in the treeline

One more reason for a freestanding tent is in the winter when it's super cold it can be set up inside a shelter for additional warmth

@frog23988

3 жыл бұрын

You never know when a shelter is going to be needed my people so you really should never set up a tent in a shelter

@kitt080863

3 жыл бұрын

@@frog23988 if people show up then take it down or move but winter hiking on a week day you are not likely to see a single living soul.

@carl8568

3 жыл бұрын

@@kitt080863 Yeah, you're absolutely right. I threw my Nemo Kunai up in an alpine hut here in Victoria, earlier in the year, once I saw the size of the spiders lurking around. Frickin' huge! I can deal with Huntsman's fine, but not on my face whilst i'm sleeping. I just waited until there was no sign of anyone showing up.

Own the BA Copper Spur SL2 and it is IMHO the best Three Season tent out atm. I guided for seven years and this tent held up in multiple day rain, light snow, and wind gusts to 45mph. Zippers can be finicky but otherwise dry and stable at around 3 lbs with ground cloth made from Tyvek house wrap. Thanks again for the good content!

The Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 has been a dream. I even use it car camping as my go-to tent because of how compactable and easy to set up/tear down it is. It was pricey but worth every single penny.

Ok this is awesome! As a new backpacker who hopes to do her first thru hike soon, I so appreciate your this!

Dan Durston X-Mid 2 person is absolutely amazing! Trekking pole, double-walled, can handle a decent snowfall in winter!

@bertman4

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, but I do wish he would offer a mostly solid inner option for winter use.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Dan! I have four tents but two of them are for backpacking: (1) OneTigris Bungalow 2.0 that requires four poles to set up, however, the poles can be sticks from the forest which is what I do to save weight and (2) an Alps Lynx Mountaineering one person tent. The latter is heavier due to it being double walled and requiring two structure poles; can be free standing but I usually stake it down as I use it either out in open areas or on cliff faces (using large rocks for anchors or large screws placed as needed into the rock wall). Being claustrophobic I need to have a door left open. The Lynx has two doors. The other two tents are in my overland camping set up: (1) an old 4P Coleman and (2) a Gazelle T4. I use camp cots and set up the interiors like a very small studio apartment with Mr. Buddy heater, Jackery 240 or 1000, refrigerator, table, camp chair, etc.

Greetings from Norway. Thanks Dan, short and informative. However, I do understand that this video is most likely aimed at the US/American market as tents with "pitch inner first" is most common/popular over there. On the other hand, "Pitch outer first" is very popular over here in Europe. Probably because of traditions, but also weather conditions we face over here, especially in Scandinavia. Outer pitch first means that the setup process is "all in one", and the inner stays dry. So, I must say I missed one tent from this segment, or at least that you mention it. On a side note, all tents need to be staked out to get the intended shape, and of course to work properly.

@phantommaggotxxx

3 жыл бұрын

We like pitching the outer part first over here too. We refer to it as Dry Pitch.

@lindatisue733

2 жыл бұрын

What tent are you using? I Need to get a new tent and live in Sweden, would like to have a real double wall tent. I was Bike packing, stopped at Lidl , didn't tip the" door woman," when I came back out my tent and sleeping bag were gone.

@mtadams2009

2 жыл бұрын

I believe my Big Agnes can be pitched that way. I will try it this weekend.

You got one honest informative channels on the tube i put you next to the out door gear review i like the fact if you dont know something you go the extra mile to find out like they do. Lg northern canada

Me and my wife use a Copper spur HVUL3 , and when im by myself I have a HVUL2 . we both have found that we like the little bit of extra space. for when the weather is less than ideal.

Hi Dan! I have the Marmot Tungsten 3P for my boyfriend and I and I have the Nemo Dragonfly 2P when I go by myself. I'm in Québec Canada where most of the backcountry camping is on platforms so freestanding tents are way easier to set-up 😉 thanks for the comparison 👍

Still rocking my Big Agnes seedhouse sl1 for my solo trips and an MSR hubba hubba for my trips with the wife. Both tents are still working great with close to 10 years of use in the British Columbia backcountry. Lovein your channel.

I like my Tarptent Double Rainbow LI its a hybrid single wall DCF tent that has a clip in liner for the ceiling to help keep off the condensation when needed. Sets up with one carbon fiber pole down the middle but can be used freestanding by adding your trekking poles flat on each end. I really like the versatility of this tent.

Your channel gives me good info time and time again! Thanks for The info about these tents. 👍

Your explanation on the difference between a 3 and 4 season tent answered a question I've had for years . Thanks

@aaronfuentes5919

3 жыл бұрын

4 season is slightly more comfortable in winter & useless in summer. 3 season is true 4 season. Lol

@user-zs1hc4xf7j

2 жыл бұрын

In most of the Russia this 3-season tent is more like 1-season (summer)

I'm using an X-mid 2p. Double walled trekking pole tent, its been great so far. Looking forward to trying to winter camp with it to see how it holds up.

@narri214

3 жыл бұрын

@@jscul I moved from a freestanding tent my parents bought me when I was a teen. I backpacked with it even though it is over 6lbs, so moving to a tent thats around 2lbs is like heaven. I have a tent that is lighter and larger than my original tent. Ive always used the inner and the fly due to how quickly the weather can change where I live, so I'm not sure how I'd rig the mesh only.

@bertman4

3 жыл бұрын

You'll love it, even in winter. Holds up really well in snow, but you will get condensation, even with the vents open. I do recommend you stake out the extra peak guylines if you're expecting more snow. I didn't, and due to the fact that it was rain that turned to freezing rain that turned to snow, I did have accumulation on the sides and the tent started to sag inwards from the weight. But that was an edge case with Cascade concrete sticking to the tent.

Thanks for all of the info. Merry Christmas to you and your family.

Super informative video. I was thinking about buying a tipi style tent, but I didn't know about the lack of a bottom. Thank you, Dan and mysterious camera op!

I use a Big Agnes Copper Spur bike packing tent. I like the shorter poles of the bike packing tents because it makes fitting the tent in my backpack easier on packrafting trips.

Another vote for Dan Durston's X-Mid 2P from Drop. I’ve used it on the Ice Age Trail in Taylor County, Wisconsin for several nights now. Lots of room and huge vestibules.

@jyokota

3 жыл бұрын

Love my X-Mid 2P.

I’ve built up a huge collection like you. I got caught up in the UL buzz and bought a few trekking pole tents, but for conditions where I hike it’s either thick scrub, forest or rocky desert - a self standing with a small footprint and I need for pegs is what I need.

I personally like to carry my Kelty TN2 tent whenever I'm out and about playing in the woods. Sure its a heavier tent, but I do enjoy the space it allows.

I use Hillenberg tents. I still own MSR, N.F. and several other tents because i have been backpacking since the 1970s but the Hillenbergs tents are best tents i have ever used.

@ghoutdoors1857

3 жыл бұрын

I agree I own the soulo enan and keron 3gt and love them. A bit heavy but it’s worth it

@hucknbarry3496

3 жыл бұрын

Same actually little before 70's but my first dome tent was a jansport for 100$, still have it but it wets out like a piece of tp.

@18Hongo

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry: you mentioned Hillenberg and my wallet started crying - what were you saying again?

I got the Eureka Suma 2 after watching your review of it earlier this year. Love it. Thanks.

Been using the Trekker 3. It's a terpee style trekking pole tent with a floor. It's double wall on 2 sides and single on the other two. I like it because i can stand up in it and it fits my family of 4 so we only need to bring one tent. It comes in at just under 5 lbs without poles. If they made a dyneema version it would be perfect!!

Because of my advanced age, I go with a Zpacks Duplex - 1.5 #'s, single wall trekking pole tent. Small enough to carry when I'm alone; big enough for both of us if I'm hiking with my adult son.

My wife and I split a Nemo Dagger 2P. She carries the stakes and poles, I carry the body and rainfly. It's not the lightest tent, but since we always camp together it comes in at less than 2lbs per person and offers a ton of space, large vestibules and great wind resistance.

@GreenSnowleaf

Жыл бұрын

We are looking into the Dagger as well! Do you still recommend it? I also want to use the 2p Dagger on solo hikes, is it doable with the weight?

I use the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 -- it is great overall! It is tight but doable for 2 people; it is like a 1.5 person tent for solo use. Just picked-up the "crazylight" Big Agnes Scout 1 Platinum and will be testing it soon on my next fast and light dry weather weekend.

Dan, great tent overview. Currently I’m using a 3 season semi-self standing Big Agnes Tiger Wall. Haven’t made the jump to a trekking pole tent but almost there. :) love the weight they are though. :)

Across the pond I use a van go blade 100. It’s fairly roomy for one and if you pitch it with it backside into the wind it can take winds up to 35-40mph (it’s only a 3 season). It high enough to sit up in and wide enough for gear inside. The vestibule is big for a one person tent. The only downside is it’s inner pitch first, but if you pitch it at home you can take it down all together and then pitch all in one😊

Just bought my first backpacking tent, a Nemo Hornet 2P. For the first couple of years, I carried my 6-lb Coleman, because that's what I had. I can't wait to try the Nemo out in the spring! Love your channel!

If you get the footprint for the copper spur you can set it up fly first in the rain, then come in after and set up the inner

Will you be making any videos on how to pack so your gear stays dry? I just hiked a section of the Florida trail and wind and rain kicked in at 45 mph while hiking on a levy in the Gulf of Mexico coast with no tree cover. I was so happy my gear in my HMG Junction was dry and I didn’t get beckered. My Zpack Altaplex kicked butt on those 45 mph gust for a solid 11 hours. The 8” Easton Nano stakes over at Mountain Laurel were the keystone to that achievement. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

I have a tarptent double rainbow. It needs to be staked out and is a single wall tent but doesn't require trekking poles. I enjoy it a lot and it weighs just over 2 lbs.

I’ve been using a tarp for most all my adventures, whether it’s been hiking the PCT, bike packing cross country, or hiking/bike packing Ireland. I’ve specifically been using Yama Mountain Gear. I’ve got both silnylon & cuben tarps, tons of space, can add an interior tub/mesh, storm doors/vestibule. I love ‘em. ~ Rawhide

@mrxy4254

Жыл бұрын

I love to use a tarp too. For alpin tripps i prefer a tent.

Great video Dan, amazing selection of tents there. I hope you had a good Christmas 👍🏻

Just got the Nemo hornet 1 for Christmas ❤️

I have a Eureka Alpenlite XT 2 person tent I like to use for winter camping in the Roan Highlands and out west in the Rockies or Sierra Nevadas. For my 3 season tent, I have the Alps Mountaineering Chaos 2 tent that I love. It’s heavier then the ultralight options I see from most backpacking channels, but I love the versatility of the tent for the various outdoor adventures I go on every year.

So glad you did tipi style tent. I am a big user of did hammock pyramid xl tent. Really big and light. Used it in serious wind and rain. Cheap as well.

Good discussion of tent varieties and benefits, although a tarp would be good to include because it's low cost for beginners. I use an SMD Gatewood Cape for most trips, under 14 oz with ground cloth. But carry either Early Winter single-wall GoreTex Light Dimension or Winterlight tents for tough Cascades winter conditions.

I love my ultamid 2, it takes practice for a good pitch and site selection up here in Maine

I’ve always thought I needed a four season tent for winter backpacking! Maybe I should try with my gossamer single wall😂

We use a copper spur HV UL 3. and we typically use it for just two people. We're going to try splitting it up now that we're both getting into backpacking, I've been carrying the whole thing alone for years. We fly and travel the World with it. Amazing Amazing Tent

Thanks for great info. I am shopping for my first backpacking tent for trip to Isle Royale.

I have a ba cooper spur ul2. It’s been a great tent!

Great video... I think you need a few more tents. I use a freestanding tent in every season. I'm heading up to Mt. Baldy tomorrow for an overnighter. Snow storm is finally heading my way here in Southern California.

I love my copper spur. Finally. Tried a trekking pole tent, then the tiger wall semi-free standing. I live near Yosemite. Granite-Ville. I’m older. I just need a free-standing tent. Lighter isn’t always better.

I got a 2-person Big Agnes Bird Beak SL2 for camping with my fiancé if we're both wanting to share the same shelter. (Love that you can set up the rainfly first, and then clip in the mosquito net tent body second, in case it's raining... only BA tent I've seen with this feature!) I've got a Hennessy Hammock (backpacker edition) if we're wanting to hang separate. We also picked up a Naturehike Cloud-Up 1 Person in case one person wants to Hammock camp and the other wants a 1-person tent. (Was curious about it for the price, and I've gotta say, it's a decent little tent for being so cheap!) So far all have been pretty great!

Just grabbed a Big Agnes Copper Spur 4 person for the family! Reasonably light for its size and not as expensive as a Hilleberg. We'll see how it holds up in the Rocky Mountains this summer.

Thanks Dan. Good info as always. I like lots of space so the teepee sounds good (and light) but I'm worried about that pole in the middle. After a few 'warming drinks' I'm gonna bump into that and bring the house down! I like tarps, reminds me of camping as a boy scout in a 9 thousand ton canvas tent with no groundsheets or bug nets. 😁 - ATB, Mark 👍

I love my Luxe Hexpeak Tipi (2P) Ultralight Trekking Pole Tent. Its on the bigger side but it is a beefy super light option. Can even get it with stove jacks for the hardcore winter campers.

I find that semi freestanding is the happy medium. Usually you can find a rock or something else to stake your tent if the ground is not ideal for staking. But most of it is framed out.

I take an "Axe Man " single pole ( tracking pole ). It is a double wall elongated pyramid bivvi style it only weighs in at 750g and packs smaller than a ultra-light speaking bag. While it is only a 3 season tent I have stayed in it overnight in a whiteout. I use a magicians 4' staff ( the type that you press the pin and it shoots out to 4' but stores in the size of a old school film case) I'm very happy with it and it can be opened to capture a good breeze in hot weather or even just use the mesh inner.

Marmot Fortress 3p for late fall early spring or for all season car camping. Marmot force 1p or the xmid 2p for "hike in" backpacking in the summer. If I want free standing I also have the Sierra Designs Meteor Lite 2p. Eddie Bauer Kubanetic 3p for winter camping. Was strongly considering the Sierra Designs Convert 3 from Backcountry during the Black Friday sale, but I scored the EB one from Moosejaw for $250 on clearance. Marmot Halo 6p or Mantis 3p for family car camping.

I use a Berghaus Cairngorm 2. Excellent tent, especially in strong winds.

@MHK-yu2tf

3 жыл бұрын

A bit too heavy?

Thanks, pretty useful. Especially for someone who's just starting out!

@blackoak4978

3 жыл бұрын

If you're just starting out I would suggest you avoid winter camping, 1 person tents/bivies, and probably trekking pole tents as well. Find a cheap freestanding tent, use it until you know what you like and dislike about it(and how you want to camp), then upgrade. Getting into the smaller tents too early may put you off them in the future if you haven't yet developed the mindset required to go with them

@blackoak4978

3 жыл бұрын

Also, whatever tent you get, you should have a properly sized underlay(consider a dollar store heavy duty plastic table cover), and a small tarp(because no one wants to be stuck in their tent just because it rains for hours)

I use a 2015 MSR Hubba NX Solo freestanding tent. Love it. Albeit it can feel a little tight. Next tent will be a 2 person for a downright spacious feel. Maybe the new Copper Spur

Nordisk Lofoten 2 ULW, took it around the world. weighs in at 500g without packsack (additional 10-20g). worked fine. but would upgrade to freestanding, and take the weight penalty that comes with it.

I have the x mid 1 person tent and I really love it.

I use the Tarptent Notch Li. I am fairly small and not fearful of small spaces so I think this tent works well. If someone was larger or not crazy about small spaces this likely would not be for them. I choose this to avoid bugs and I am in the south east so condensation is always an issue. Considering the Tarptent StratoSpire Li to get a little more room.

Hi Dan, I have a Marmot Tungsten 2P and love it. I enjoy how informative you are.

@coleroth6980

3 жыл бұрын

My children use the exact same tent only for person. Great tent.

Another great video and info! I have the six moons designs lunar solo LE. Bought it in 2018. It's the same as the regular lunar solo but the floor is a little heavier duty than it and because of that the LE's weight is a little heavier very little difference in weight. Love that tent but need a new one soon for my 2022 thru hike on the A.T. aka the Appalachian trail nobo again. Really like and enjoy all your videos!

I use the lanshan 2pro in FL and love it. There are better more expensive ones but for the money I can’t complain. I love big angus tents. Wish they were cheaper.

This is what I use: Fast-packing (trail running + camping): Rav Alpine Bivi Winter/Spring: Black Diamond FitzRoy UL: SlingFin SplitWing Reg/Comfort tent: Big Agnes Tiger Wall Coastal/Ocean Forest Camping: MSR hubba Hubba old version.

With Nemo four season tent, solid inner wall is most likely to stop winds from blowing in. If you are not using the tent in snow, thus cannot pack snow around the tent, wind can push trough ground level gap. At least that's what I think.

8 season tents are the best. Nuclear winter rated, bullet storm rated, death ray rated etc...

@wades623

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of bullet storm, . 22 or 30mm cannon

Thanks for this informative video. Short term in Finland, I just plunked down some silver on a 4-season tent for some Nordic trekking I didn’t expect to be doing until recently. The purchase options are more limited here than in the US (though i run across a lot of tipi tents on trail around here). There is much less of a market for lightweight gear here, and gear runs pricey. Locals don’t give a second thought to schlepping the kitchen sink along. But there are several very well established trekking brands, and I wound up buying a no frills, double-wall (staked) tunnel tent. It’s built like a tank (and weighs like one too: nearly 5lbs and it’s labelled lightweight), but I’ve already learned how well it withstands heavy loads of overnight snowfall and high winds in exposure. I would never have bought it in the States, but I’m reconciled to it here.

@eznugse

3 жыл бұрын

There are some stores in europe like backpackinglight, fjallsport and a danish one I can’t remember the name of that sells light weight gear. Also Hilleberg, a swedish company makes a few light weight models that are found in some stores around the nordic countries.

Be cool to see some pack stoves and hot tents. Can get some light titanium stoves that pack pretty small and tracking pole tp.

Thank you...this made it clearer about what would work for me.. Appreciate it. Safe Travels..

I use the Zpacks duplex for long treks and the Nemo Dagger 2P for when I need a freestanding tent. Great video Dan!

Make sure you are putting your stakes straight into the ground (perpendicular to it). Makes a big difference in holding power.

We gotta' get the word out about Dan...great content and truly superior quality for a sub-100K channel.

I just bought a Trekker 2v from river country, its a much better (in my opinion) design compared to the one you've previously reviewed. I would like to see you check it out, and give it a try. Very cheap, and as far as I can tell well made. We'll see after the first trip out, but as far as testing it out back, I love it. Spacious, lot of head room, quick set up, double walled, double zipper, decent vestibule.

REI Quarter Dome 1 and Dan Durston X-Mid UL1P are my backpacking tents.

I have 2 Zpacks tents, the Plexamid and the Duplex. I also have The Big Agnes fly creek ul2 hv. Love them all.

Just bought my first tent to start out. Rakaia Designs Wai 1 person. Small, got a good price, not too heavy.

I had a 3 season Tarn 2, 2 person tent. I’ve just upgraded to a 4 season TGV 2 person tent. I think I was a little warm at nights in the summer. I kind of missed the airy ventilation the 3 season tent offered during the later afternoon naps.

Semi freestanding, 3 season. Alps Mountaineering Taurus 2 If I can stake it out it's good for the winter. It's not good for the summer, as it doesn't have good enough ventilation, but I do most camping during the spring and fall, and I've enjoyed a few winter camps in it as well. Frankly, given that it's 7½' long, the value for the price is pretty good. Only real complain is the poor quality plastic used for the "windows" in the fly breaks down over time

I just got the Six Moons Design Deschutes last month. I used it a couple weeks ago with a bug mesh bivy.

Using the marmot limelite 2p, love it. Sets up in less than 2 minutes

Still really really loving the SMD Trekker although my eyes have been looking at the Tiger Wall 2.

Thank you for all your efforts. Really helpful, sir.

I use the teepee-style Khafra DCF-eVent from Locus Gear to trek above the artic circle where the weather can stay at its worst for days. I love amount space and the breathability of the material combination and the large livability inside. It is tall enough for me to stand and its tallest.

I use a Zpacks Duplex. Dan, we want to see more winter camping in the Nemo or Hyperlite tents. You do a great job with the videos! Happy Holidays to you and your family.

@DanBecker

3 жыл бұрын

I'm returning the hyperlite! I love it but it's too big for where I camp in winter.

I'm genuinely interested how long such thin materials would last, especially at my stomping ground in the Peak District. I'm Not dissing it, I'd like to see some destructive testing - ie : getting snagged on brambles, branches blowing into it. Huge hail followed by very hot UV exposure in the same minute

Currently myself and my partner (and our dog) use a Wild Country Hoolie 3 etc...it's been amazing for near on 10 years! Here in the UK the weather can be tricky (I learned my lesson when first camping about HH and the rain 😂🤣). My favourite (and upgrading this year to) is the Robens Voyager 3 ex...had the 2ex before the dog came along and it's amazing in all weather...extreme heat and cold...middle of summer in the Mendips...scorchio during the day and freezing cold at night....gotta love the English weather 🤣🤣🤣

Swear I checked your count just a few months ago and you were at 50, congrats on 85k subscribers!

Dans running a Hooverville in his backyard

Super nice job bro!!’ Great tent line up!

Great video. Thanks for the information.

I use the Big Agnes Copper spur bikepacker edition (not backpaking :P) bit found the wind is a big problem with it 1 year ago I did a Iceland tour and the wind is realy hard there and most camp spots are not shielded with forrest.... hardly any forrest in Iceland so the tent is open to the elements, I had to put the strongest side of the tent against the wind and hoping it wont change in the night even used weather forcast to place the tent .... packed stones around it to shield it a bit. 3 nights of my 30 day trip I had to hold the tent poles from the inside for a few hrs to keep it upride and flying away.... 2 of those nights I packed up my gear and just contined my trip very short nights in the summer is so handy :P After the trip I lookt ad the hilleberg tents but they are so heavy :(

Good information. Thanks, Dan! 👍

Had been using a Walmart special. Lol. Upgraded to the Marmot Fortress UL 3P with its footprint. My tent is one of my luxury items. 😎

Here in the philippines, i only need tent for raining and of course breathable. Nice review

If it's raining, you'll probably put up a tarp anyway. You can set up a freestanding tent under the tarp and move it anywhere you want.

If it's raining, you should always put up the rainfly before the tent, if you can do that with your tent obviously

I have the Zpacks Duplex in the discontinued camo. SOOOooooo happy with it, and even though a lot a people seem to move away from the product because it got so popular, I still believe it’s one of the better options available. Seems like the winter Tenshi Nemo model would be a good addition for winter outings. Personal preference maybe but I feel it’s a little roomier than the Kunai for not a lot of extra weight. Any insight between the two??

I have an MSR carbon reflex one person semi free standing tent. It’s really light and built well, but the headroom is terrible. I cant sit up inside the tent without bending my neck way over. If it were 3-4 inches taller I would love it. It is the same general design as the marmot tent in this video. When I’m laying down it's plenty roomy for me to sleep. I just dont like waking up and getting out of the tent. It would be pretty unpleasant on a rainy morning.

Kuiu mountain star 2p has been amazing for hunting and backpacking trips for me. Best investment I’ve made

Hiking in the Scandinavian mountains I would really prefer to have a four-season tent all year around. There are two reasons for that: 1. You mostly pitch your tent above the timberline where wind conditions are tougher and can change very quickly. 2, The total weight of the pack is probably going to be lower because a four-season tent is that much warmer so you don't have to carry as heavy sleeping bags. During this summer's through-hike (1320 km) we used a Hilleberg Nallo 2 which is 1.2 kg per person. I know it's more than many other tents, but we were never cold in our lightweigth backpacks. For winter backcountry skiing we use pulkas which means that weight is less of a problem, and there we have a Hilleberg Allak 2 which is fully freestanding (including the vestibules): Of course, we might sound like total Hilleberg fanatics, but in the past, we have tried many other tents, and since we can afford Hilleberg we will continue to do that. We are also considering a trekking pole tent, and of course, the Hilleberg Anaris sounds like a perfect option for 3 season forest tenting. For kayaking in Sweden, we need the freestanding tent since you often pitch directly on bedrock.. But as you say the tent is for 4 seasons or 3 seasons, and other options depend and to have a single tent for all use cases is impossible.