Wally Wood: "I persuaded him [Stan Lee] to let me write one by myself since I was doing 99% of the writing already. I wrote it, handed it in, and he said it was hopeless. He said he'd have to rewrite it all and write the next issue himself. Well, I said I couldn't contribute to the storyline unless I got paid something for writing, and Stan said he'd look into it, but after that he only had inking for me. Bob Powell was suddenly pencilling Daredevil.[Later on in the interview] ... I saw [Daredevil #10] when it came out, and Stan had changed five words---less than an editor usually changes. I think that was the last straw."

@russworks2882

2 жыл бұрын

Perfect quote from the actual source. Thanks! Where is this from, R?

@TylerStrangelove

2 жыл бұрын

@@russworks2882 It's an interview Mark Evanier conducted with Wally that's excerpted in The Life and Legend of Wallace Wood, Vol. 1.

@russworks2882

2 жыл бұрын

@@TylerStrangelove Ah, so. Much appreciated, R.

@christophertomasello1227

2 жыл бұрын

You know this is kind of similar to the blowout between Stan and Jack where Jack turned in his final story for fantastic four and Stan Lee returned it and said:"this (story) is not dialoguable"at that point we all know Jack had had it. It's really unfair where you got one guy doing about 90% of the work...

@Rockjesu

8 ай бұрын

Later, pages with Stan's changes were made public and believe me, it's not "just five words" but whole sections of texts through all the pages. I'm not a Stan defender but Wally wasn't telling the truth about number 10.

Great episode. A few notes: 1) These issues are from the fall of 1965, so far from the first 2-part story Marvel did. Kirby was doing multipart stories at least a year earlier in Fantastic Four 25-26 from earlier 1964. 2) Kirby wasn't asking for ownership in 1960s but in 1950s, at same time Kurtzman made his bid for Mad, Simon and Kirby were publishing books they owned, under Mainline brand. The problem is that they were coming out just as the anti-comics purge took over and then the distribution collapsed. This left Kirby in dire financial straights, which combined with the fact he was blacklisted from DC (for lawsuit around Skymasters) meant Kirby was basically at the mercy of Marvel. Based on Sean Howe's book, Ibelieve that Goodman promised Kirby and Ditko a piece of the action, which when it didn't materialize made both men bitter. 3) Kirby/Ditko/Wood were all living in NYC at that time and knew each other. Wood basically made his bid to be the named writer on Daredevil just a little bit before Ditko and Kirby pushed for the credits to change so their read "produced by Lee and Kirby" or "produced by Lee and Ditko" (which caught the collaboration more accurately). 4) I think Wood tried to recruit Ditko for Tower Comics and did recruit him for Witzend. I know that when Ditko left Spider-Man & Dr. Strange, he wrote Kirby a letter saying he should leave as well. Kirby probably wanted to but had family responsibilities that Ditko didn't 5) Kirby's story in Sunday Funnies is I think an allegory about all this -- a tribute to Ditko for being his own man and leaving.

Wood's redesign of Daredevil, including the prominent use of concentric circles for his radar) really pulled the character out of the ditch for me. From some of his childhood drawings, Wood was likely a kid fan of the Golden Age Daredevil, one of the most striking costume designs of the era. He gave so much of himself in his work and may have been naive about feeling he was owed as much from the industry in return, but his bitterness and cynicism is understandable. If he had only survived a few more years rather than dying early he would've probably thrived in the Direct Market, because there were a lot of Wood fans among shop owners and regular comics readers. I always associate him with Robert E. Howard. His compulsive intensity is what made him great, but it also is what destroyed him.

There's some good back matter in that Epic Collection trade paperback including Wood's first Daredevil designs and diagram of the gadgets built into the billy club.

Oh man! It’s episodes like this that I love about Cartoonist Kayfabe, and what I mean is all the talk about working in the comix biz. The world needs this channel! Great #%*&ing episode gents!

Man, Tom's remarks crack me up sometimes. Is always cool when he's around.

This definitely informs Mazzuchelli. Great post.

I had a Daredevil comic (without a cover ) by Wood when I was a kid. I thought it was one of the most visually attractive comic I've ever seen then. I still have it. Wally did not overmuscle the character. It was naturalistic. LOVED that. Karen page was curvy and beautiful. The panels were tight, and he said so much with the figures. Daredevil was still in his Yellow/black outfit in that issue. Daredevil vs The Fellowship of Fear. I checked and it was issue 6.

Good stuff gents...Yea, Slippery Stan pulled that blurb Bullshit when Ditko demanded plot credit.

I met quit a few old time comic book artist when I was still in school. None of them had anything nice to say about Stan. Jack on the other hand, they all liked and respected even if they weren't a fan of his work.

@MarklovesAngels

13 күн бұрын

Yep. When I went to a convention in the early 70's, all the fans in the audience attending a panel booed at the mention of Stan's name. He was considered to be a credit-stealing clown as early as 1965. It's only because Disney keeps pushing the myth that he had anything to do with the creation of the characters that the general public think so. He was hired by a relative in 1941 and did nothing for 20 years when he had every chance. When Kirby and Ditko created those characters on their own, he happened to be in the building and only jumped on glomming the credit because he saw he was becoming replaceable.

Awesome! More episodes like this please. Great job boys

One of the best channels for comics hope u reach a million whenever u do u will always deserve it

With Woody and Ditko working at Wood’s Tower Comics, was the company built on artists who felt they were screwed by Stan? And didn’t Ditko and Wood collaborate on numerous projects? Like Witzend, and Woody inking Ditko on the 1975 Creeper tale for DC.) The mention of the art resembling Steranko just hit me how much of an influence Woody was to Steranko and somehow I never saw that. And it may not be germane to this particular conversation, but Woody and Jack collaborated, most notably on Sky Masters, and didn’t they work on Challengers together? (Just thinking of the contrast between the two on their styles for Marvel, but their work together is a great artistic stew.)

Just discover your channel. Amazing content ! You put lights on lots of new artists history and concept for me.

Could you guys do a 1970s Ka-Zar and/or a Morbius review?

Stan Lee is the guy who punched up the dialogue and signed the checks. Guys like Wood, Kirby, Ditko, et al were the creators.

The Marvel Method doesn't work when someone is constantly stealing credit.

There's a rumor that the daredevil/frog man gag in going to be in the she hulk series

@blasternixon8013

2 жыл бұрын

I kinda don't want it to happen in she hulk especially with frog man

is that a Marvel Masterworks Hardcover you guys were reading from? The reproduction actually look decent, just was curious

@OdisNewsome

2 жыл бұрын

Epic Collection

Woodworks Gazette #3 circa 1980 or so

Egos clashed.....which means Stan wins.

T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents is a real treat! Especially if you like stuff like Doom Patrol.

As a young reader this story was completely alien to me, every thing seemed odd, from the art to the villains. It all makes sense after hearing your commentary.

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Quite telling that legends Wood & Steranko didn't stay long at Marvel because of Stan's interference and that they both came back for the odd work when Roy Thomas was pretty much running the show

I liked Woods in Daredevil, but it didn't have that Marvel spark that captivated me with all of their other works at that time. But when I saw it in black & white it had more of noir feel, and held my attention more than those others even came close to when their Essentials came out. Makes me think he could have gone far if Marvel's black and white magazines had debuted in the mid-60s instead. On a side note, Woods run on All-Star Comics revival when I was a kid led to one of the best and most underrated Golden Age Superman versions. Great analysis video.