Wow, Soup! This video was great! But not as great as Ground News which I got from ground.news/soup EDIT: Originally, there was a podcast chunk which laid out some of the elements of the conspiracy. It came from a comedy podcast where the premise of the show was to make outlandish conspiracy theories, and the hosts of the podcast did a follow-up clip debunking the Keller conspiracy, as well. I didn't know this until after uploading. Because I got it from the highlights reel after being linked to said reel on a semi-regular basis over the last year. I should have searched for the full context of the clip first, but I didn't, and I'm sorry. That was an oversight on my part. I've decided to remove it from the video. It's not fair to criticise the podcast for the uses others have made of their bit and, with the context I now have having listened to the full thing, it feels bad faith to keep it. It wasn't in the same league as, say, the Kevin Smith podcast (which I also only found out about a couple days ago) and would have been a way better example. The video is currently reprocessing and will hopefully be sorted soon. Hell you might be reading this when it's gone! For those who wondered why the piece was included at all, lemme tell you where I was coming from: I used a clip from the highlights reel for a few reasons: A. It was well organised, with sharp and clear claims that could be directly investigated (eg. Anne Sullivan used Keller as a mouthpiece; no other deafblind people have done what Keller has, etc.) which; B. Mirrored historical arguments very nicely - so it's a good framing device to compare how the claims change compared to 100 years ago, and; C. People ran with it. I know, because I've lived it, that a lot of people took it very seriously. I got hundreds of comments and emails from people who were making the same arguments taken verbatim from that chunk devoid of their original context of being a joke. For ages, I was being asked by people to "debunk" Keller or "investigate" Keller using the same arguments. I found about about the podcast because people were linking me to the same highlight reel as proof that Keller was a fraud, or at least that there was something sus about her. If you want to see that in real time, search the comments section of the Koko video. That's not memeing at that point. Those people aren't making jokes. They actually wanted me to disprove something. The TikToks are an entity unto themselves. I've read lots of comments on TikTok where people AREN'T saying those same points as jokes. I've read people saying to blind and deaf TikTokers that Keller was a fraud and they know that for certain because "they wrote a high school paper on it and how can she do that stuff?" And just ask any disabled person if they've ever had experiences with people accusing them of "faking it", sometime. Make no mistake, this is a real conspiracy theory that's far more widespread than I thought. My experience of this has been a constant stream of these kinds of comments and assertions over a year or so. I didn't exactly have much patience by the time I encountered the clip, and I didn't go to source to check the full context. It became a shorthand way to frame the arguments that the people who ran with it were making in earnest. Those, at least, should be addressed. But I wanna be fair, and I don't want to undermine the wider point by including something that isn't representative because I didn't do the checking. TL;DR - I cut out a chunk of the video to make it a better faith deep dive. Don't trust KZreadrs.

@badusername9903

Жыл бұрын

totally agree

@skeptica

Жыл бұрын

Wow!

@ground_news

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Soup! Well done on the video.

@prosandcons-fl2cc

Жыл бұрын

BTW whether it was intentional or not, nice job posting on international sign language day!

@dr329c

Жыл бұрын

Something ironic about the captions

There was a blind kid in my high school that I once accidentally walked into and I said “Sorry, I didn’t see you there,” and he responded, with the straightest voice and expression, “Neither did I.” That was the second funniest thing anyone has ever said to me ever.

@Jared_Wignall

Жыл бұрын

@@salamisandwich3187 We may never know.

@MissSpaz

Жыл бұрын

Most of us disabled people really enjoy joking about our condition. My friend recently got me a sticker that says "I run better than the government". I put it on my wheelchair. Never be afraid to tell a well meaning joke, you'll seriously brighten our day.

@Brent-jj6qi

Жыл бұрын

@@MissSpaz also, make sure you’re telling jokes to the right people. I have an MTF trans friend that I say the most abhorrent trans and women jokes to, because she also makes them. But I wouldn’t say them to someone I just met

@capperbuns

Жыл бұрын

@@MissSpaz that's a good one ngl. Lmao

@robotic-race

Жыл бұрын

@@Brent-jj6qi see that's the key, knowing the audience let's you say the most horrible shit and it hilarious.

TikTokers will use "unalive" but then turn around and advocate for eugnics

@zefie6040

Жыл бұрын

To my knowledge these phrases are mainly used because the platform supposedly suppresses videos that contain the actual words, not an attempt to be conscionable.

@yikes8932

Жыл бұрын

The use of "unalive" is definitely more to do with censorship. Particularly through BLM tik tok took down videos on mass because of words like "killed" "murdered" "died" ect and comes up whenever a major human rights tragedy is going on (like right now in Iran). It's the same with mental health on the platform with words like "suicide". The same happens on KZread but it results in demonization rather than deletion of content. Not denying that there are very, very toxic sides of tik tok but the unfortunate truth is that videos about eugenics, racism, homophobia, sexism, conspiracy theories and every other awful topic have a much higher likelihood staying up on the platform than important issues because of stakeholders.

@melelconquistador

Жыл бұрын

its the same thing, they merely use censorship avoiding language.

@simoneidson21

Жыл бұрын

Lmao “anything I don’t like is pro eugenics”

@screamingcactus1753

Жыл бұрын

@@simoneidson21 You don't see how claiming that deaf blind people are a complete and total lost cause is eugenicist?

"How could she write 12 books??" What else would she do? There was barely anything to do for the sighted and the hearing, and having no access to what little entertainment able people had, how would she kill boredom? I'm shocked there are only 12.

@Data-Expungeded

5 ай бұрын

Some regular authors pump out way more books. Why is that amount surprising because they’re blind deaf?

@crimsoncraftycat4044

5 ай бұрын

​@@Data-Expungededconsider the point that this video is selling and it could be down to stuff Keller had to deal with in her personal life that we will not know about because she "overcame" her disability. "How could she write ONLY 12 books?" Is a question that feels appropriate because she could have written way more in her lifetime that haven't been published. Considering her politics and advocacy, I wouldn't be surprised if she had unreleased works that weren't published.

@teremleonheart3776

5 ай бұрын

@@Data-Expungeded okay lol

@TheRed02151

2 ай бұрын

@@Data-Expungeded you're trying to be petty for no reason, yes it is surprising because she's blind.

@lokimiguel2452

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheRed02151because you are idiots

I find it so funny that the argument is "how did she do all these things if she was deaf and blind" but like, that's kinda why she's famous. She managed to be a prolific author and successful public figure with her disabilities, which is wildly impressive and naturally drew people's attention. Like seriously, think for a single second about what you've said. Edit: huh, wonder why Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the audio telephone and teacher of the deaf, would possibly push against deaf accessibility and wider teaching of sign language. He couldnt possibly have had financial incentive.

@wegner7036

10 ай бұрын

Funny thing that he's actually praised today for his work in education of the deaf. The irony.

@mrj.kottari8453

9 ай бұрын

And Helen wasn't even the only deafblind child who was at that time succesfully taught to communicate by haptic sign and to read/write braille etc. To have proper education There was a woman about 10yrs older than Keller in New England who studied in the same Blind School as Anne Sullivan. She learnt the basic education up to 8th grade, and later worked in the school, teaching young deafblind students to do yarn crafts etc. practical skills. Then there's the Norwegian girl Ragnhild Kåta who went deafblind in infancy from illness just like Helen, and who was the first deafblind person in Norway to get proper education. Ragnhild also learnt to speak quite effectively, with a method where the sounds of syllables were first taught to her as a type of game before her teacher begun to teach her to join them into words and attaching the words to objects and things in her surroundings.

@roop-a-loop

9 ай бұрын

@@mrj.kottari8453then anne sullivan was lying

@mrj.kottari8453

9 ай бұрын

@@roop-a-loop Lying about what?

@roop-a-loop

9 ай бұрын

@@mrj.kottari8453 about her students being blind and deaf

So people would sooner believe a gorilla is capable of human communication over helen keller being actually deaf and blind

@Ollo-teddo

Жыл бұрын

Probably because the gorilla wasn't deaf and blind

@Ollo-teddo

Жыл бұрын

Probably it's just such a foreign concept to people, that somebody would think that an animal could learn language than a person who lost both very important senses to understand what language is to them

@ao9688

Жыл бұрын

@@Ollo-teddo yeah i know. Im just pointing out the ridiculousness of how far people are willing to believe and not believe

@raumarsene9910

Жыл бұрын

People would sooner believe a gorilla understood the problem of climate change before they believed that Helen Keller was capable of doing anything while being deaf and blind

@ReverendLeRoux

Жыл бұрын

I want to say that the people who believe Hellen Keller wasn't actually deaf-blind don't actually personally believe Koko was capable of communicating with humans meaningfully. Usually this sort of skepticism is all-encompassing.

Conclusion: TikTok is a horrible source for information

@crushersbutlessedgynow

Жыл бұрын

What about people like miniminuteman?

@Jefferu_Nintendomoto

Жыл бұрын

@@crushersbutlessedgynow faaar outnumbered by shite

@crushersbutlessedgynow

Жыл бұрын

@@Jefferu_Nintendomoto that speaks more on what your interests are and where you are looking then the actual app

@agrippa.the.cosmonaut-wiz

Жыл бұрын

Most of the internet is. KZread is as well.

@Jefferu_Nintendomoto

Жыл бұрын

How did you turn this into a half assed attack on my taste? I like Miniminute, its a shame Tiktok (the shite piece of spyware full of modern squeakers) is his primary platform. Im glad he's moving to a real website.

It's grossly common for deaf and blind people to be accused of faking their disability. Hell, all people with any physical or mental disabilities are subjected to this.

@da3musceteers

7 ай бұрын

To be fair nowadays there is a trend on tiktok to fake things like tourettes and transgednerism to seem more cool

@YouveBeenMegged

6 ай бұрын

T H I S. My former “speech teacher” had told me point-blank to my face that she didn’t think I was actually autistic, simply because I wasn’t exactly like many other autistic kids she’d worked with. She also happened to have an autistic son, but she would always talk about him as if he was the prime example of what autism *”should”* look like, and every talk about my own issues would almost invariably circle back to “well this works for my son.” Cool, but *I’m not your son.* And yet she wondered why I didn’t like her. Sorry for the mini-rant, she just ticked me off so much, and I am so glad I don’t have to deal with her anymore.

@carolyns4519

6 ай бұрын

"But you don't SEEM autistic!"

@stupidgay5145

6 ай бұрын

​@@da3musceteersare they faking, or are you just ableist and think anyone not acting like your narrow view of how a disabled person should act is faking? Also being trans isnt a disability, and only 1% of trans people detransition, and over 50% of that is due to social, economical or because they've reached a point in their transition where they are happy not because they aren't trans

@starmaker75

5 ай бұрын

There also people with neutrongocial disorders like autism and ADHD and how the one with high functioning are seen as bullshiting or be treat as little kids

Man I wonder why the guy who invented the telephone would want to eliminate deaf people

@shadowdroid776

4 ай бұрын

As someone whom my mommom told me several times in life that I'm related to Alexander Graham Bell... I got nothing, it's fucked up and there's nothing to excuse him lol happy he made the telephone, but GOD what an asshole.

@wood7395

Ай бұрын

deaf and blind but develops an English accent

@milktoast1481

Ай бұрын

frankly very strange, his mother became deaf late in life and his wife became deaf as a child... meaning both his wife and mother were deaf lol

"Keep asking questions, but do the research too" This needs to be plastered on every social media platform in existence.

@misterkefir

Жыл бұрын

HEAR, HEAR!

@redwolf6213

Жыл бұрын

Amen!

@MegaBanne

Жыл бұрын

It should be plastered all over. To remind people constantly of the importance of questioning and doing so properly. There is one thing to make a rhetorical question that actually is an argument from incredulity. There is another thing to actually look for answers. If you ever end up criticizing something it should be based on a solid foundation. Till that time respect that you are ignorant.

@mystical5868

Жыл бұрын

It should be taught in school starting in Kindergarten.

@Marshbouy

Жыл бұрын

@@mystical5868 it is. People just treat school as a joke or a chore and refuse to take anything out of it

People just assume blindness is total and complete darkness, and deafness is total silence.

@Hotshot2k4

Жыл бұрын

Clearly we need to interact with more deaf and blind people so they can talk about and show us the reality of their experiences.

@wyattdetherow6853

Жыл бұрын

@@Hotshot2k4 i feel like youre saying this as a joke, but youre genuinely not wrong lmfao

@myosotis4507

Жыл бұрын

But Helen was 100% deaf and 100% blind, no? All i found after spending a few minutes looking it up was a blind person absolutely destroying someone on Quora for asking it without actually answering directly

@Hotshot2k4

Жыл бұрын

@@wyattdetherow6853 Totally intentional, haha

@tincano-beans2114

Жыл бұрын

@@Hotshot2k4 clearly we need to talk to more deaf people and show blind people that we care.

There’s a popular blind dude on TikTok and half of the questions in his comments is “do you just SEE black?” Like, people just cannot comprehend not having their senses.

@byeFofiko1

3 ай бұрын

I think sight is just so central to how we perceive the world that we can't imagine being without it. Like, people say "well your hand can't see, it's like that" right but my hand can't think either. The eyes are part of the brain, and it feels like it. It almost feels like, to sighted people, we wouldn't really exist without vision. It's so central to how we perceive the world.

@nobodythisisstupid4888

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@byeFofiko1also due to neuroplasticity, parts of the brain that are not in use can be adapted to serve other functions (within limits of course). So in a way, the subjective experience of touch and hearing for a blind person may be in some ways similar to how non-blind people experience vision. If you have any interest in the science behind this, check out this scientific article www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9618853/

@shenanigans2877

2 ай бұрын

This is like complaining about someone referring to talking or speaking sign language

@OpenKeith

2 ай бұрын

I mean, that's a totally reasonable question - vision is both physical and neurological, so what do you experience if only the physical side of it is "broken" but the brain is still able to do vision processing? IIRC you do basically "see black" if you become blind later in life, but how does that differ based on the developmental stage you lost your vision at, or other factors? I don't think it's a stupid question to ask, it's a gateway to a lot of other interesting questions about human senses & perception.

@milodoesntknow2090

2 ай бұрын

​@@OpenKeiththats a fair point but a question being asked so much probably means one of two things a) the persons already answered fhe question or b) the person doesnt want to answer the question and in either case you should look at the amount of people asking the same thing as you and instead of adding to bombardment.. maybe research things independently i do get your perspective though, its just while im not deaf or blind i can imagine the constant asking of the same question gets tiring.

“This seems hard to do so it must not have happened” is such a wild take. I can hardly imagine being able to speak like ten languages, but I don’t doubt that people *can* do that. I’m awful at math, but I don’t think Albert Einstein was just making all that shit up. The idea that the extent of human intelligence starts and ends with oneself is INSANE to me.

@MsJaytee1975

7 ай бұрын

I dread to think how many people might doubt Stephen Hawking’s work in fifty or sixty years because of his disability.

@danorris5235

Ай бұрын

What's wild is watching her directly look into cameras and wave without being touched by her handler to ID the location of such a device during a school interview with children, who she touches on the tops of their heads swarming around her while moving which vary drastically in height. Wild. Able to interact with people around her without being told only to turn around without assistance, throw her leg up to lift herself up by grabbing the bracing to board a plane while ducking the wing to climb in a cockpit? Wilder. Being able to get over ten words communicated per two hand touches in an interview? Even wilder. The wildest one is watching her handler say, repeatedly, that she and Helen are the only two people who know this language and can communicate with it only to have her die and her friend magically achieves fluency in it with zero problems. Doesn't help when people like this guy keep comparing Helen Keller to people who can partially see and hear who fit the legal definitions of being deaf and blind, compares how Helen signed to modern techniques and mentions waiting for them to finish (which Ann does not do during Keller's interviews), and poisoning the well constantly (a time honored tactic among liars).

@WobblesandBean

25 күн бұрын

​​@@danorris5235 I shouldn't even have to dignify this with an explanation, but I guess I'm a glutton for punishment. "How could she face a camera and wave to it if she can't see?" Gee I dunno Kevin, maybe it's cuz cameras were rare and expensive back then, and she would have been made aware she was being recorded and told which direction it was in. It's not hard to sign "wave to the camera, it's at 7 o'clock." "She shouldn't be able to move around in an airplane or touch people's heads". Yeah, it's weird, right? It's almost like she had functioning legs, and a sense of touch, and balance, and basic human intelligence. According to you and your source of "just trust me bro", you can't intuit where someone's head would be with your eyes closed if you knew they were standing right in front of you. That would just be silly. Spacial recognition? What's that? Also, did it never occur to you that the interaction was rehearsed for the news broadcast? Being deafblind doesn't make you a dumbarse. You're acting like she was barely human. It's not just that you're wildly incorrect, it's that you're so smugly and confidently incorrect. It's astounding to me that you think it's more logical that a woman decided at the age of 2 that she would lie and pretend to be deafblind for the rest of her life, give the greatest acting performance ever done, and deliberately make her existence unbelievably difficult for no reason....than something simple like she just practiced getting in and out of the plane. For the love of the seven hells, get off tiktok and read a book.

@AverageAlien

11 күн бұрын

​@@WobblesandBeanexplain how someone that is deaf and blind could possibly have any concept of any object or thing

@Bjergkanin45

7 күн бұрын

Tiktok is frequented by literal children and adults who mentally never grew up or are intellectually "challenged" - they have barely passed the stage of recognizing other People as individuals instead of extensions of themselves

I find it both hilarious and depressing that both MLK and Hellen Keller were and are supported up until the very moment it stops being about achievement and starts being about the systems that hold back that achievement.

@raaaaaaaaaam496

Жыл бұрын

@Caleb OKAY no absolutely not. CRT is anti Liberal democracies

@namingisdifficult408

Жыл бұрын

People will only take away the “feel good” stuff and not the bigger picture

@VulpesHilarianus

Жыл бұрын

@@namingisdifficult408 Because of organized campaigns to obscure the causes they were championing, along with long term cultural manipulation that also obscures and stratifies the class and race privileges that these historical figures sought to turn into universal rights for everyone.

@dylanrodrigues

Жыл бұрын

MLK was supported? iirc, polls showed that more than half of Americans hated his guts at the time of his death.

@horserage

Жыл бұрын

@Caleb OKAY Well, one could say that started from more, bearded fellows eh?

It was genuinely easier to teach her to read and write than it is to teach people that she could read and write

@Sinc3r3ly

10 ай бұрын

LMAO

@wtttff

9 ай бұрын

CLEARED

@HaughtKarl-jx9vr

9 ай бұрын

Ok, you keep telling yourself that.

@TheRelevantusername

9 ай бұрын

​@@HaughtKarl-jx9vrlol

@windows7504

8 ай бұрын

​@@HaughtKarl-jx9vr I think you need your eyes and ears washed mate, because they sure ain't working either

one of the funniest things to me, is that a while ago, I started making the joke that Helen Keller was Amelia Earhart AND Anne Frank. “You can’t convince me she was real. There’s no way she was the first woman to fly a plane around the world, lived in an attic, wrote a diary, was deaf and blind AND got eaten by coconut crabs” Then the people who were genuinely serious about Helen Keller not being real started, and it got unfunny, real quick.

@saturdaynightorive

9 ай бұрын

I don't get the joke, what do they all have in common? Are you saying they're all young women used to push propaganda narratives or something?

@strawberryqueen0382

9 ай бұрын

@@saturdaynightorivei think the joke is that they’re all learned about around the same time in school so it’s funny for someone to misremember them all being the same.

@sideways5153

8 ай бұрын

@@saturdaynightorivethe joke is basically about the “great man” system of teaching history and other social studies. We learned about Anne Frank instead of eugenics and fascism, we learned about Hellen Keller instead of ableism and systematic flaws in the public education system, and we learned about Amelia Earhart instead of about how systemic sexism prevented women from participating in skilled trades and hobbies like flying airplanes. I’m kinda putting words in this person’s mouth, but it is a legitimate point that we get bombarded with “inspirational” stories about people all the time in a way that objectifies those people and disregards their humanity in order to make the most convenient version of the story. The three women are basically treated as interchangeable a lot of the time, so joking about it says that quiet part out loud

@fuzzy7644

7 ай бұрын

man, jokes get less funnier when you start explaining them. Now I'm just sad :(

@Barakon

7 ай бұрын

@@sideways5153 Although they could be used to show how these things hurt people via using the perspective of an individual suffering under it.

People try to pass the Helen Keller stuff off as a joke or “satire” as a way to cope with the fact that they’re either too dumb or lazy to comprehend different forms of communication.

@Lucasp110

7 ай бұрын

Or to write books. Or fly planes. Basically if you cant do something doesnt mean others cant

@muhilan8540

6 ай бұрын

It’s a funny joke

@apidgin30

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@muhilan8540I don’t like to yuck someone’s yum but get better humor my dude

@muhilan8540

6 ай бұрын

@@apidgin30 I’m sorry but the idea that Hellen Keller was faking it the whole time is hilarious

@apidgin30

6 ай бұрын

@@muhilan8540 not really, especially considering the fact that some people genuinely believe it. lol. It’s fairly harmless (despite its weird ableism) on its own but well…y’know some people always ruin it.

as a scuba diver I find it hilarious that sign language could ever be seen as inferior, because when you're underwater, you *need* to use hand signals, and I've often wished I knew sign language so I could communicate more information than just "Up" "down" "air" or "boat" and instead turn to somebody and say "hey did you see that cool fish back there? it was blue."

@rickwrites2612

Жыл бұрын

Omg you should ttly learn sign language or at least alphabet if you want to! They taught us the preamble to constitution in ASL and the alphabet in 1st grade public school in the 1980s over like 1 wk, but I always retained it and wound up using it to communicate w a nurse after a surgery as an adult when I couldn't speak and there wasn't something to write on.

@brandelynnefreleng7597

Жыл бұрын

Never too late to learn. Even if it’s just a little, it’s still useful and interesting.

@samirasoto96

Жыл бұрын

I would absolutely recommend learning even just a few signs. My partner grew up with an ASL interpreter as a parent and taught me a bunch of common signs as they would come up. I knew the alphabet already from a class I took in middle school, so when I didn't know a sign I could just finger-spell it. My grammar is still pretty rudimentary, and what I can communicate is probably more in line with what is called Pidgin Signed English (a hybrid of ASL and spoken English, from my understanding." But even with just that, you can communicate you exact sentence knowing only a few signs: HEY, YOU SEE COOL FISH BLUE *point-to-back-there-direction* QUESTION. From my limited understanding having no formal education at all in ASL, I knew all those signs off the top of my head except for "cool" just from how 1. commonly used they are, therefore how useful they become to know in practice, and 2. how intuitive a lot of signs are in terms of the concepts they are describing. LifePrint is a great resource online. You can find pretty much any sign with internet access and the ability to type the words " ASL" Anyway, sorry for the wall of text! I have just personally experienced all the benefits of learning some ASL and would love to spread the gospel to anyone and everyone. For me, those times come when it hurts to speak from my frequent migraine headaches. For others, it can be anything from scuba diving, having a conversation in a quiet waiting room, saying something to a friend in a group without having to interrupt whomever is speaking, or not waking a light sleeper. My only regret is not having learned sooner. If by chance you're younger than 25, you'll have an earlier start than I did!

@ThatPianoNoob

Жыл бұрын

If it wasn't inferior we would've evolved to use it instead. Belittling handicapped people and pretending they are actually just as capable as everyone else go hand in hand. You don't have to lie about them not having a disability to not make fun of them. They are more capable than we think but still not as capable as without their handicap.

@nrgao

Жыл бұрын

​@@ThatPianoNoob you view it as inferior because it doesn't work as easily or efficiently for you. It is very much superior to those who need it, and produces far superior results. Inferiority is a perspective thing, hence why it is so subjective. The fact is that some handicaps are motivators that drive people to be more than they ever would have been without the disability.

Moral of the story: if we post misinformation in the comments, we get more videos.

@xiphosura413

Жыл бұрын

The truth Soup doesn't want us to know!

@CarlsCozyCorner

Жыл бұрын

Guys did you know that the moon is actually cardboard?

@MrPolluxxxx

Жыл бұрын

The moon is actually cardboard (sorry)

@JimmyThree-Balls

Ай бұрын

You guys believe there is a moon

As a young child, I read a book about Louis Braille, a blind person who invented an alphabet for the blind which was named after him. He basically did this because what he was being taught was a raised letter system created by a sighted person. Seriously, get out of the way of disabled people and allow us to live our lives by getting rid of barriers to our success.

@SarafinaSummers

6 ай бұрын

Braille is not just an alphabet. It’s also a complex system of short hand signs. If it were just a direct translation of alphabet and punctuation, every braille book would be like… 20 times the size of a print book. If you have not seen braille paper, it is a bit like flexible card stock.

@robertborland5083

4 ай бұрын

Braille was also behind braille sheet music notation, which better in some respects than typical modern staff notation.

@cinnasauria

2 ай бұрын

@@SarafinaSummers Yeah, I believe that original system he was learning in school actually was a direct recreation of the Latin alphabet, and it did make every book ridiculously cumbersome.

@CAMSLAYER13

Ай бұрын

​@@SarafinaSummersbraille books are much bigger than regular books though

@Bjergkanin45

7 күн бұрын

You act as if the inventor of the raised letters did it to hold you back. He clearly was trying to "get out of the way" as you so nicely put it. I presume you have contributed substantially to the fight against all the people "in your way"? Based on your snarky comment about a person who tried to help blind people before Braille. Some people don't deserve help since they clearly know it all themself.

I met a deaf blind lady who was able to speak perfectly clearly and who ran a whole school for deaf blind people all on her own

@Meme_Lor

7 ай бұрын

Wow she sounds awesome

@cjdflkj

4 ай бұрын

Was she 100% deaf and 100% blind from infancy as Helen was claimed to be. No.

@IzzyMoonbow648

4 ай бұрын

@@cjdflkj do you know her personally or something? I don’t know her whole life story but I’m pretty sure she was born that way

@IzzyMoonbow648

4 ай бұрын

@@cjdflkj also Helen Keller wasn’t born that way, she had scarlet fever as a baby

@damnedifidonut

2 ай бұрын

Wow, what was the name of the school

In middle school a history teacher had a quote from Keller on her desk, I asked how she wrote if she was deaf and blind, and instead of any answer I just got a call home and detention. Thank you for actually teaching me about Kellers life, and how she learned

@98230983290

Жыл бұрын

The fact that you got detention wasn't enough to confirm that they don't have a leg to stand on (no pun intended)?

@notNajimi

Жыл бұрын

What an excellent way to squash curiosity

@Allenfreedom1776

Жыл бұрын

That's a terrible teacher. Students shouldn't be punished for asking questions.

@jimmyredd

Жыл бұрын

You were getting too close to the truth!

@sourgreendolly7685

Жыл бұрын

I swear the teachers in middle schools assume the worst of the most innocent things smh You asked a fair question and the teacher probably didn’t understand herself. But if she had said “You know, that’s something I haven’t thought to learn about!” and at least recommend you research at the library, you might’ve been able to learn it then - and explain it to her!

I love when people just casually challenge my disability like "well if you're disabled then how do you do X??!!" As though I've been caught out malingering. And I'm like "......with great difficulty?"

@FissionCube

Жыл бұрын

theres like two flavours of weirdos in my experience, you either get people who think you cant do anything whatsoever or people who think that youre just being lazy and you can do anything if you try. as if you can just will your body to change or something to do whatever it is lol.

@CDN_Bookmouse

Жыл бұрын

@@FissionCube You're either malingering or looking for a pity party--you can never be someone who just needs some accommodation and understanding X'D

@ilyenamaru

Жыл бұрын

Ditto that. Even with a diagnosis I still had to deal with such a general lack of understanding from authority figures in my life. Spoiler alert: pills help, but they don’t “cure” me.

@Sephirajo

Жыл бұрын

Am disabled, can confirm.

@WitchyWynne

Жыл бұрын

yuuup hate that shit

I remember learning briefly about Helen Keller and having so many questions, not because i didnt believe but because I DID and was amazed and wanted to learn more. Anyway the teacher basically made me out to be a deliquent for asking, but i now realise she probably just didnt known the answers and didnt want to admit that

@fuzzy7644

7 ай бұрын

The joys of the education system. Where asking questions is the wrong response.

@Meme_Lor

7 ай бұрын

Reminds me of an english exam where it asked me how I felt about a novel and in detail why I didn't like it and I didn't get any marks for it

Now, what confuses about one of the 'observations' of one tiktoker is that they show her signature and say "Does this look like the signature of someone who is blind AND deaf". like that's just odd emphasis. The "AND deaf" is kind of irrelevant, your ability to hear wouldn't affect your signature. Being blind would have an effect, until you've written your signature enough times that it becomes muscle memory.

@Abyzz_Knight

6 ай бұрын

Well prejudice isn't logical. The TikToker doesn't stop to think that deafness shouldn't have any effect on her writing ability. They just hear that she was double disabled and cannot fathom she could possibly write while being blind, nevermind having an extra disability on top.

@hayaokakizaki4463

Ай бұрын

Reminds me of the scene in Walk Hard where Dewey's mom says "I'm so proud of you for having learned to play guitar even though you can't smell"

@WobblesandBean

25 күн бұрын

​@@Abyzz_Knight There's a guy in the comments of this very video trying to debunk it with ridiculous tiktok-isms like "how could she face a camera and wave to it if she can't see?" I dunno Kevin, cuz maybe video cameras were so rare back then that she would have been very aware she was being recorded and told which direction it was? Or the fact that she was able to get in an airplane at all. As if she had no legs, or sense of touch, or balance. I just... I have no words.

@Abyzz_Knight

25 күн бұрын

@@WobblesandBean some people just see disabled people as completely helpless, like they're a newborn baby. It's why disabled people are often babied.

Arguing Hellen Keller was a hoax just because you don’t know how she could overcome her challenges, is like saying “I don’t understand how we got to the moon, so that means it was a hoax” Wait

@melelconquistador

Жыл бұрын

An epidemic of ignorance.

@screamingcactus1753

Жыл бұрын

"I don't understand how the ancient Egyptions could have built the pyramids, so they must have been built by aliens" "I don't understand how the rich and powerful can be so different to me, so they must be a different species" "I don't understand how gravity works, so the Earth must be flat" I think we've found a through line here

@Sephirajo

Жыл бұрын

If you pause it at just the right time you can see where Kaden Trig's heart gave out writing this paragraph.

@Periwinkleaccount

Жыл бұрын

In fact, there have actually been cases where people stop believing in stupid things like that the earth is flat or that vaccines are dangerous simply because they had it fully explained to them.

@NitroIndigo

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a QI segment where they debunk moon landing conspiracies, and David Mitchell says it's worrying that a substantial number of people won't believe in anything they couldn't do themselves.

I feel like a lot of people forget that deafness and especially blindness are spectrums. Legally blind doesn’t mean no sight AT ALL, and types of blindness very wildly. In general, people have so many misconceptions about blindness and deafness that they’re almost unwilling to rectify.

@thefirstsalty3055

Жыл бұрын

also true. complete blindness isnt too common, however completely terrible blindness is.

@libbybollinger5901

11 ай бұрын

@@n30n66I mean, you are correct in that dead people cannot hear. Ps. Are you really one to talk about buzzwords?

@mlove9086

11 ай бұрын

​@n30n66 what exactly are you going on about???

@mrj.kottari8453

9 ай бұрын

Helen had viral brain fever at age 20mos that left her completely deaf and blind. When talking about Helen Keller, we're talking about completely deafblind child who learnt to communicate by touch-signing, to read and write braille and later to speak a little by memorizing how to make different sounds

@moleperson

9 ай бұрын

@@mrj.kottari8453 I am aware! I just wanted to mention this, because when blindness or deafness is generally mentioned, there are some who don’t realise that both are spectrums.

I am 52. The story of Helen Keller was taught in school to inspire us. Nothing is impossible if you try hard enough, if you want it enough, if you are willing to fight for it. She was an inspiration to my generation.

@khaliah7754

10 ай бұрын

There was a book about her in my 4th grade class's library that I loved reading

@SarafinaSummers

6 ай бұрын

As a blind child in the 90s, I was forced to read her story out loud to the class as a feel good inspirational bullshit exercise. So yeah, I am well familiar with her story. The fact that people think she is not real is mind-boggling to me. Her story was driven into the ground so much that I can recite it from memory.

@starmaker75

5 ай бұрын

Yeah speaking as someone who has autism(high functioning), Helen Keller is definitely a inspiration for me. Showing that even if you have a disability that makes things hard, you can keeping going and still be a influence

@berrylly

7 күн бұрын

I'm 32 and grew up with shows like south park making fun of her. I had no idea about who she was or her accomplishments until I was an adult. it's such a shame

The parts of the video talking about Keller’s politics and the public’s reaction to it reminds me so much of how people currently treat Greta Thunberg. Saying that she’s a mouthpiece for her parents, saying she doesn’t understand the situation because she’s autistic, etc.

@shlomophobe5582

7 ай бұрын

If her parents were National Socialists and she was publicly extolling the virtues of fascism you’d have no issue proclaiming that her parents groomed and brainwashed her into spouting their politics

@Meme_Lor

7 ай бұрын

​@@rogercarlson2319 there's literally been decades of research and evidence for the existence of climste change, its been known about since the 80s

@NathanCassidy721

6 ай бұрын

The big difference is Hellen was a fully mature adult who had her ideas formed by experiences in the world. A world that actively worked against her due to her disability. Greta is a stupid kid who has no life experience and is fed a load of lies from adults who love to preach about subjects they know nothing about. And all of her “problems” are self-inflicted because she’s a narcissist who picks fights with Internet trolls who have just as much free time as she does.

@woulfmondsden7520

6 ай бұрын

@@rogercarlson2319 yeah and people are like lobsters right?

@theopinionisthighqualityopinio

6 ай бұрын

Oh lord! There's really someone who's defending that little fraud? Please, please, turn off your television and stop being so gullible and naïve. Your comment is cringeworthy. By the way, no one has said anything whatsoever about that person "not understanding the situation because she's autistic." The criticism against her stems from the fact that she's a mouthpiece for powerful financial interests and nothing more.

"No other deafblind person has ever learned to speak in history." **Thousands of deafblind people everywhere literally yelling that he's wrong**

@Connection-Lost

Жыл бұрын

Name a few. Oh wait you can't because they don't exist. Name another miracle worker. What? You can't do that either?.... huh...

@maxwellgrimm8900

Жыл бұрын

@@Connection-Lost did you even watch the video?

@PastelOddity

Жыл бұрын

@@Connection-Lost There are over 15 million deafblind people in the world right now. A massive chunk of them can speak. Hellen Keller wasn’t a “miracle worker”, she was the recipient of cutting edge alternative speech teaching methods that we still use today. So I’ll repeat the question: did you watch the video?

@LKing-ue2jl

Жыл бұрын

@Pastel Oddity this connection lost dude's in every other comment making an a ss of himself, he's either trolling or dead from the neck up.

@Alice-gr1kb

Жыл бұрын

@@Connection-Lost Haben Girma. She graduated from Harvard. There you go

It was awesome working with you, Soup! In all seriousness, this is one of the most sincere and supportive sponsorships we’ve had the pleasure to run. Thanks for all your support.

@Mr-Mc-Epic

Жыл бұрын

Love your service! Been using it for almost 2 years now! Definitely my go to news aggregator. Though I do miss your old black and yellow design 😢

@zyansheep

Жыл бұрын

Cool app idea :) If you don't mind me asking a few questions: what is your business model? Is the money you are using to advertise around KZread from investors or natural growth? Why are there 10 trackers in your app?

@squa_81

Жыл бұрын

Please release this service in france. This idea is begging to be successful

@_the_bomb

Жыл бұрын

It got me to download the app!

@devangoad

Жыл бұрын

Super wholesome.

Ever since the KZread commentary era, around 2016, “satire” has been used to cover up actual beliefs while dodging blame for them. One could say something they believe that is absolutely incorrect and fall back to “it’s satire” to justify it

@TheRed02151

2 ай бұрын

example? Because many times it is in fact satire.

@shiningamaterasu2579

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRed02151 The whole falt earth community, Especially the channel that did their experiment 3-5 times over and it still came out to match the math that said the earth isn't flat

@3katsime

2 ай бұрын

it's been there since on the internet since the prevalence of 4chan

@kieranhurst8543

Күн бұрын

​@@TheRed02151people who think communism works

as an autistic person who struggles with talking, i really appreciate non-oral language. i've been working on learning asl, but it's not commonly taught to people outside of the deaf community, so i tend to write or type instead when i can't use body language or sign. some days, talking is easier, but i still prefer other forms of communication. excellent video!

@bellagothz

10 ай бұрын

Exactly! I too struggle with talking, and took interest in learning different ways to express myself when I’m unable to.

@serenitymoon825

9 ай бұрын

I'm also autistic, I'm learning ASL because of the above reasons, but also because i genuinely want to be an interpreter and help other disabled people live their lives a little bit easier

@wadespencer3623

8 ай бұрын

Huh, that's really neat. I love seeing other autistic people with different takes, cause I personally never shut up. I like talking so much I talk to myself.

@Hard_Right

8 ай бұрын

autism is real 99% off the time , if you're writing this well then it's likely your just weird not autistic

@wadespencer3623

8 ай бұрын

@@Hard_Right What? High functioning autistic people write just fine usually.

The passage Keller writes about her life being devoid of sound and colour but bursting with life makes me furious that she had to spend so much time defending herself. That those critics robbed us of more insight into her world is a real shame.

@SarahElisabethJoyal

Жыл бұрын

In the intro to one of her books she wrote about how annoying it was that people wanted to know every little detail of her personal experiences but nobody ever wanted to hear her opinions on any greater issues

@SleepyCatChris

Жыл бұрын

"Keller writes about her life being devoid of sound and colour" How could she have possibly had any concept of what "sound" and "color" even are?

@SleepyCatChris

Жыл бұрын

In other words, any writing about "devoid of sound and color" was written by someone who knew what those terms meant. Not Keller.

@binghammic

Жыл бұрын

@@SleepyCatChris girl…What….. you know… that someone could have just told her…. What sound and color is right? You know that blind people know what colors are right??!??! YOU KNOW THAT DEAF PEOPLE KNOW WHAT SOUND IS RIGHT???? PLEASE TELL ME PEOPLE AREN’T THIS MORONIC

@InvaderGIR98

Жыл бұрын

@@SleepyCatChris Because she was told? Because she liked to read? She wasn't stupid.

As someone who lost a majority of their hearing to scarlet fever as a kid I appreciate you having closed captioning on a video about the FUCKING DEAF.

@phillylifer

5 ай бұрын

Sarcasm?

@EspressoStreams

5 ай бұрын

No it's genuine. It's incredibly frustrating to never have closed captioning on videos regarding the subject matter.@@phillylifer

@Popthebop

5 ай бұрын

@@EspressoStreams F*CKING REAL it takes not LONG AND ITS NOT even THAT HARD MY GOD! With the technology we have now? IT TAKES 20MINS AT THE MOST I caption my videos and subtitle clips lol, I’m still very new to it all. But ITS FRUSTRATING AS F*CK! Because I have an auditory processing disorder, and people who slur their words and mumble, or have strong accents are completely incomprehensible! I can’t understand a word! Even after I rewind 7 times, plus it’s much easier for me to read subtitles then put my full attention on listening. I understand your pain, it F*CKING SUCKS! Everytime I see a KZread auto captioned video I die inside because it takes a little bit of effort to make your videos accessible to a bigger audience!!! AHHHHHHH so annoying I agree fully, :) Hope you have a wonderful day! :D

@EspressoStreams

5 ай бұрын

Honestly if someone just put the time in for... the sections that are BAD i'd be happier. Google cap can only do so much@@Popthebop

@x.5364

5 ай бұрын

@@Popthebopsubtitles/captions are really useful to anyone! I was so happy to found good captions on the video as a non-native speaker in english, because no matter how high my level is, i always can immerse in text better when i both read and hear what is said. This is so useful, i wish more people used captions.

I’m so glad I found this video because, at least in my area, there is a large number of women on dating apps with one of their prompts (“my controversial opinion is…”) being “Helen Keller wasn’t real” and it bothered the FUCK out of me and I couldn’t figure WHERE this came from, if it was a dog whistle or SOMETHING. It makes total sense that a nothing-tiktok trend has so much informed and reinforced some people’s ableism this strongly yet subtly.

@TrumanTheGrayMerchant

4 ай бұрын

Same! When I was on Hinge about a year ago, it was so common and upsetting. At least it gave me a warning on who to avoid.

@skullglaze8755

3 ай бұрын

Just started the video idk if he goes over it but literally every time I hear the joke it reeks of misogyny too

@cinnasauria

2 ай бұрын

yeaaah it honestly has the hallmarks of a dogwhistle even if it's not exactly

@WobblesandBean

25 күн бұрын

​@@skullglaze8755 I just came across a conkwocket in the comments writing an entire essay on why HK was a fraud. I just...I can't.

@WobblesandBean

25 күн бұрын

​@@TrumanTheGrayMerchant That's incredibly depressing. This is why I'm rooting for the US to ban tiktok.

i was hanging out with some of my friends when one starting talking about how crazy it was that hellen keller did all that stuff and how she just didn’t believe it. I and my other friend tried to explain how keller was able to do everything she did, like learning to speak, writing books, flying a plane, etc. but whenever we tried she just said that she didn’t want to know because the fact that keller did all that stuff just boggles her mind and that it didn’t make sense to her. she was treating hellen keller like a party trick that you’re not supposed to know how it’s done or like a shower thought that doesn’t have an answer or something. I already knew some people didn’t want to learn about disability (technically being disabled myself) but that made me realize how stupid their reasoning can be for it i guess? luckily the majority of my friends are more than willing to learn (and are also disabled themselves lmao)

@user-vx3vt7nj5n

Ай бұрын

wdym 'technically being disabled myself' cause i don't get it

@nancitablet

14 күн бұрын

​@user-vx3vt7nj5n they may have an illness or disability that isn't immediately visible therefore not comparable to the topic of the video in this context (blind/deaf)

As a Deaf person, I dead-ass use this video to argue with people who invalidate sign or argue that learning sign prevents a child from learnkng to speak. You are a friend to the Deaf community.

@CarlWidegrip

Жыл бұрын

Does that happen a lot? Must be frustrating.

@blueturtle3623

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlWidegrip Every day, unfortunately.

@CarlWidegrip

Жыл бұрын

@@blueturtle3623 I'm sorry to hear. Most people aren't like that. It's all gravy

@blueturtle3623

Жыл бұрын

@@CarlWidegrip I'm very sorry to say that most people are like that.

@CarlWidegrip

Жыл бұрын

@@blueturtle3623 alright. That sucks. I didn't know that.

I think it’s so cool that the deaf blind woman shown on the talk show speaks with her voice so high. It sounds a bit forced to my ear, but she said she can only hear high frequency sounds. So it makes perfect sense, she speaks in a register that she herself can hear!

@DewyRueskie-sl7nk

Жыл бұрын

Well that’s her proving her own point of people being creative and using ingenuity to overcome disability! I noticed this too and thought it was really interesting

@sentientplant9658

10 ай бұрын

It also probably helped her in her pronunciation lessons and most likely was encouraged by her teachers.

@melbapeach162

9 ай бұрын

She is SO CLEAR and easy to understand it's really impressive, there are plenty of hearing people that could learn better communication skills from her 😅

@cjwilliams3296

6 ай бұрын

@@sentientplant9658for sure. Even being able to catch certain syllables and inflections would be very useful for speech therapists to use as aural anchors to build a natural sounding cadence.

@raybuggy11

6 ай бұрын

She speaks more eloquently than me I need to brush up on my speech fr

"12 books. That's not even a realistic number for somebody with all of their senses." Shit, I guess Stephen King and Mercedes Lackey and other prolific authors must be fake too! This is huge, we gotta get the word out! It's impossible, unrealistic, unable to be real, that a single individual could write a whole dozen books!

@None-Trick_Pony

3 күн бұрын

Agatha Christie wrote 80 novels and short story collections and multiple plays! She must be at least seven times as fake as Helen Keller!

@Shenaldrac

3 күн бұрын

@@None-Trick_Pony Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, well known real life human being most known for writing well over a dozen Sherlock Holmes books? Dude must be such a scammer. Am I REALLY supposed to believe someone in England could write more books than I have arbitrarily decided is impossible? I think not B) Or Sir Terry Pratchet, another _actually knighted author,_ writer of the Discworld novels. He too must be a liar, a cheat, a fictitious tool used by Them to push Their Agenda!

The incredulity surrounding Keller's use of finger spelling, and the need to explain the fact that they *just spelled the words out*, reminds me of the same tendency that leads to "Ancient Alien" type conspiracy theories, as if a refusal to believe that the people in question are capable of doing difficult things. "How did they move those big rocks all the way to stonehenge/the pyramids/whatever???" They dragged them there. "But that would've been so difficult!" Yes. It was difficult! It took a lot of people a lot of time to do it and it was very hard. They did it anyway.

@nickbrowning3270

7 ай бұрын

This world view will have us all back in huts bickering about shiny pieces of metal. Deaf blind people could never build pyramids. Stop it with the race communism

@EebstertheGreat

7 ай бұрын

@@nickbrowning3270 "Race communism" lmfao

@nickbrowning3270

6 ай бұрын

@@EebstertheGreat you laugh until you see people eating flesh from burned corpses in the streets. Race conflict and genocide on left wing hands

@Abyzz_Knight

6 ай бұрын

​@@nickbrowning3270 "Deaf blind people could never pyramids" Wow, could you make a more blatant strawman?

@Abyzz_Knight

6 ай бұрын

​@@EebstertheGreatright-wingers just add communism to things to make it sound bad. I've heard people unironically use the term "Gender communists" to demonize trans people

The TikTok definition of satire is "saying something stupid on purpose". TikTok satire videos are like KZread social experiments from the early 2010s, they just call themselves that because "being an asshole for likes" doesn't have quite the same ring to it.

@NitroIndigo

Жыл бұрын

This is also the _modus operandi_ of point-and-laugh circles like Kiwi Farms and too many subreddits.

@eminempreg

Жыл бұрын

the way tiktok has watered down "satire" actually erks me so much. everythings satire now, cuz so many people on there use it as a synonym for the word "joke". You'll see someone just being dumb, maybe a bit cringey on camera for laughs and half the comments are "is this satire?". satire of what?! LIke joke and satire can go hand in hand but theyre not the same.

@deltac222

Жыл бұрын

@@NitroIndigo What's wrong with kiwifarms?

@NitroIndigo

Жыл бұрын

@@deltac222 Its members have actively harassed several people for their own amusement. It got so bad that CloudFlare stopped hosting it.

@a.carneirozhu8104

Жыл бұрын

@@eminempreg to be fair tho a LOT of tiktok content (at least on my for you) is genuinely satire. As in the whole of the content is parodying the original with often no indications that it's satire other than exaggeration or references.

it's genuinely frightening how easy it is to spread these misconceptions about helen keller compared to how hard it is to disprove them. Like 30 second tik tok compared to an hour long video

@guggelguggel7491

Жыл бұрын

Well, not like the conspiracy theorists actually have much to say. Soup goes into history, cites and quotes several sources, talks about details in life and politics, related capitalist, educational and abelist issues, a lot of info that takes time to go through. The conspiracy on the other hand is just a bunch of abelist drivel easily summed up as "thing I dont understand, must be fake! Pls like and share"

@DJChiefX197

Жыл бұрын

This is an excellent example of Brandolini's law, which states, "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it."

@jessetorres9502

Жыл бұрын

@@guggelguggel7491 but dumbass kids on tiktok would rather watch 30 1 minute videos on why Helen Keller was a fraud because she wrote her name or whatever

@Serithe

Жыл бұрын

@@DJChiefX197 Or "A lie travels around the globe while the truth is still putting on its shoes."

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

@@guggelguggel7491 It’s because most conspiracy theories only make sense if you don’t think about them

bro i just wanted to go through the new comments finding people who were wondering why it's been 10 months without an update so i could point out that he has been making patreon posts so he is still working... there's a lot of ableism here :(

@thecoolbird13

11 ай бұрын

thank you for the update o7

@berrylly

7 күн бұрын

damn, people suck

Every time I hear any story from the Cold War, it's about the Americans shooting their own balls off out of sheer blind dedication to ideology, only for a soviet guy to be like, "why don't we just do [obvious common sense policy decision]?", and just as I'm mentally about to award the USSR a single W, the next line is that said soviet guy was thrown into a gulag, tortured for years, and died penniless and in constant pain from badly healed broken bones

@geoffreyparker5775

Ай бұрын

Turns out the world is complicated. But at the end of the day, for all the accurate and powerful criticisms of capitalism, it's still a better framework than any other we've managed to devise.

Conclusion: Helen Keller is completely immune to flashbangs

@puppieslovies

Жыл бұрын

She would kick ass too

@landonkam6727

Жыл бұрын

Well... she was... wait

@n_r_o

Жыл бұрын

I know this is in jest, but I genuinely wonder how different the effects would be on her. I have to imagine the high pressure alone would have some similar disorienting effect right?

@ardantop132na6

Жыл бұрын

Kinda. Flashbang emits excessive light and noises which she would definitely be immune. But sounds is still carried with a medium (i.e. air / atmosphere) so she can't* be disoriented, but she definitely would feel that there is a bang from a flashbang. Thank you for reading my random rant.

@n_r_o

Жыл бұрын

@@ardantop132na6 thats what I was thinking. I mean yeah they don't carry a shrapnel load but there's still combustion happening very very fast

While in university for child psychology, my dad did work-study in a deaf school. In this school, kids had to keep their hands visible and teachers would physically punish them if they attempted to sign. He was originally intending to specialize in deaf education, but ultimately gave up on it because so much of the system was focused on the "speech only" approach. He went into abnormal child psychology instead. This was in the late 1970s.

@r.j.penfold

Жыл бұрын

Jfc I hope those kids turned out okay...

@upsidedownopinion1440

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like he was a failure (pun intended)

@sourgreendolly7685

Жыл бұрын

Disabled and divergent children have been expected to basically be trained to be “normal” rather than work with what makes them learn differently is so infuriating. When I read the part of hands having to be be visible I had vivid memories of being scolded for ‘playing’ with my pencil and told to put it down and sit still. I was seen as disobedient rather than anyone realizing I have ADHD. I only got diagnosed last year, age 32, because of that and what I’m learning about working WITH the difference in my drain rather than against is changing my life. I let myself fidget, I try not to worry about how long things will take and just start (it’s always less time than I think!), I don’t expect myself to be “normal” but to learn how to best adapt to how things are right now so that I can feel competent. I’m making so much progress now, all it took was not brushing off my symptoms as “just being lazy” or tying it to issues that these things were present for regardless of their presence. I believe working with kids circumstances is the only way to give everyone a a fair chance to learn without seeing divergence and/or disabilities as limited or even, as in my case, choosing to do what is actually symptomatic of unaddressed matters. I know I wouldn’t have dropped out at 17 if I had known then.

@laurenaustin7258

Жыл бұрын

i learned about this in asl , it was called oralism and they tried to ban sign language , wild facts , the milan conference decided to outlaw sign language , and i believe there were 64 ? hearing delegates , and only one was deaf , one of the main advocates for oralism was the creator of the telephone , and his mother and wife were deaf ! so he knew oralism would fail , he was around the deaf community constantly , and still went against them.

@angelikaskoroszyn8495

Жыл бұрын

@Lauren Austin And now we live in the age of texting and Internet messaging, automatic captions get better and better

THANK you for this video, this trend of calling Helen Keller a fraud has disturbed me since I first heard about it. Just because it started off as a joke doesn't mean that it can't do harm, and actually sway the way people view both her and other disabled people. I think it's especially dangerous when being echoed on TikTok, where so many impressionable kids and teens are. My little sister, 12 at the time, told me Helen Keller was a fraud, and I was horrified. I told her that the theory was ridiculous, and there's a sort of cruelty innate to greatly discrediting the work and art of a disabled woman based on what us as abled people "believe" she can or cannot do. My sister told me to stop being so sensitive, since it was just a joke (although she did try to argue her case, in a similar "well I heard about it" sort of way here 2:45). I feel bad for being so intense about the topic, but I think what really angered me was the fact that strangers online could so easily convince my sister that such an idea was at all okay.

@KingOfDarknessAndEvil

8 ай бұрын

You know it's no longer "just a joke" when they start actually defending the reasoning of the joke. It's like if I said "I wanna eat a dog" and when called out went on to explain the health benefits of eating a dog, clearly this means something to me

@Syn7axErr0r

8 ай бұрын

The burden of evidence is on you to prove that she's real

@pablovirus

8 ай бұрын

​@@Syn7axErr0rbro you need to lay down the tiktok for a bit. Your brain's melting and it shows

@guggelguggel7491

7 ай бұрын

@syn7axerr0r ? No? Well obviously op cares, and it is good that they try to explain, but if anything its on the sister suggesting the conspiracy theory to bring evidence other than undiscuised abelism posing as skepticism. Or are you being sarcastic?

@cameronschyuder9034

7 ай бұрын

@@Syn7axErr0r The burden is on them to prove she wasn't. See how we can both say these kinds of things with the same conviction of "I want you to do the heavy lifting to change my mind"?

For the longest time I was convinced that being a Hellen Keller denier was a joke because it sounded so absurd

About the “disabled people are either useless or superheroes” thing: being disabled and not being the exception, not having the money or social support, all those “inspirational” things just make you feel like it’s all your fault. So often oppressed groups are used against each other to discredit those who don’t exceed in areas they’re largely prevented from exceeding in (the “model minority” comes to mind), and it’s sad how often that leads to us berating ourselves and those like us.

@SierNotsruht

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that pfp isnt elon musk

@elonmusk921

Жыл бұрын

@@SierNotsruht you think so?

@Mariamunro95

Жыл бұрын

If it’s any consolation… We don’t think of it as a compliment either. None of us are aiming to be inspirational. We’re just a different normal.

@LocutusBorgOf

Жыл бұрын

It's like the Madonna-Whore complex of ableism

@beats5701

Жыл бұрын

My parents are blind and one of those exceptional disabled ppl (in their own brains at least) and I have cerebral palsy. Because they are seen as exceptional, any time I need help due to being disabled they force me to figure it out saying "stop pretending you're too disabled to do anything"... It hurts disabled people so incredibly much.

It's one thing to be genuinely curious how deafblind people can learn how to navigate a world that wasn't made for them. It's a completely different thing to reflexively disbelieve that a deafblind person can be capable of learning how to read, write, speak, or just navigate the world in general

@floppyearfriend

Жыл бұрын

To be completely fair, I'm a linguistics student, and I have *some* familiarity with how language is acquired. Based on what I've learned, the idea of someone being able to learn to communicate without either hearing (i.e. no exposure to spoken language) or seeing (no exposure to sign language) is just baffling. I'll be sure to make more research on the matter, but yeah, if someone who's familiar with the topic of language acquisition can be confused by the statement "someone with no hearing or sight can learn to use language", then imagine someone who knows nothing. (I partially blame unfamiliarity with the experiences of deaf and blind people. You're right that most ablebodied people simply have no idea about any of this, but again, it's just ignorance).

@thomaslichman5365

Жыл бұрын

@@floppyearfriend It's fine to be baffled. The difference is, an intellectually curious person would do the research. I'm just criticizing the almost instinctive way lots of baffled people jump to conclusions without doing the research.

@cabbage-soup

Жыл бұрын

@@floppyearfriend all people desire communication, regardless of their physical capabilities! Deafblind people actually have access to spoken and signed languages, and schools often teach deafblind people to communicate audibly and/or through sign language. For audible languages, students would put their hands on their teachers' throats in order to feel the vibration, and attempt to recreate the sound. For signed languages, teachers would manipulate students' hands into signs as demonstration. One especially interesting language development is protactile signing, a form of signing that evolved naturally in deafblind communities. Protactile signing is so fascinating linguistically, because it's such a new and still-developing language. Seeing the communication and trial-and-error that goes into ironing out its rough edges, it really goes to show that languages are created for its users, and not the other way around. If you're interested, there are subtitled youtube videos by deafblind creators, in which everything is signed protactile-ly, that can give a much better explanation of all of this than I can in a comment. Deafblind people can also navigate the internet by using braille screenreaders, which translates everything that's on a screen to braille - which is why it's especially important to use alt-text when adding images to a website. Accessibility is important because society was created to be navigated. I don't have any familiarity with the deafblind community, but languages are very cool! there's something so incredible about the human desire to understand others and be understood xD I understand the desire to sympathize with people who are confused about that which they know nothing about, but if ignorance is perceived and not acted upon, that is a personal choice. it's very insulting to insinuate that a human being - with independent thoughts, emotions, and opinions - is incapable of communication.

@Sephirajo

Жыл бұрын

@@floppyearfriend how exactly is people with no other language barring disabilities learning to communicate hard to fucking understand. Think you might be huffing the ableism

@RaptorJesus

Жыл бұрын

"Navigate a world that wasn't made for them." Are you referring to society, or the universe in general? Because this is one of those cases where it's less society not doing basic accomadation and more existence itself just being weighted towards having multiple senses.

Helen keller sold me fent one time

@idlegameplayer3756

3 ай бұрын

we have a heart he is still alive

@nealbrady2216

2 ай бұрын

@@idlegameplayer3756hope we get an update soon we miss soup

It's insane the standards our society has always held the disabled to. An 11yo Helen wrote a book with some similar ideas to a story she'd be told before. We simply must put her on literal trial for plagiarism. Please disregard all the able-bodied writers that have been aping off Tolkien's depicts of elves, dwarves, goblins, and ogres. When they do it, it's that "good writers steal" methodology. when a blind-deaf kid does it, she's a plagiarist.

@None-Trick_Pony

3 күн бұрын

“Helen can't hear or see, so she doesn't have the mental capacity to be original. However, Jim can hear and see, so his dwarves are inspired by Tolkien's.”

I grew up in Georgia near the school Keller founded. She's one of the biggest inspirations for people all over the world. The fact people think she's a fraud always felt like a way to dismiss the genuine accomplishments of disabled people.

@Sephirajo

Жыл бұрын

Thats because that's exactly what it is. Able-bodied people can't imagine our worlds so just refuse to believe they exist.

@dittm3r

Жыл бұрын

Why would anyone want to discredit the disabled?

@thereluctantdoomer3439

Жыл бұрын

@@dittm3r Because we're a constant source of anxiety for able bodied people.

@Laotzu.Goldbug

Жыл бұрын

@@thereluctantdoomer3439 people who are more capable and competent are afraid of those who aren't? That sounds like a lot of projection. If anything cripples are an inconvenience.

@justsomeguy898

Жыл бұрын

@@dittm3r people don't like when someone they view as inferior does more than them

the concept of 'home sign' made me tear up a bit. I know of friends and my own family that have made up words and phrases that only make sense to your family unit. to know that the human drive to be understood and understand and love is so strong that deaf and/or blind people do the same thing is amazing.

@diyasalam3742

5 ай бұрын

People forget that all languages are made up. Which is why language purity and the invalidating of broken English makes me roll my eyes until I have a migraine. We all have slangs, jokes, phrases amongst our family, friend group based on experiences we've shared

@thebighurt2495

24 күн бұрын

As a person with a deaf family member (and a window into the world of the deaf), I can tell you that there is a dark side to Home Sign. It is as common as it is largely because the systemic discrimination of the deaf often starts at home. Families will keep their deaf members at home, sometimes literally at force, rather than let them out into the world. While this is, in fairness, often out of a desire to protect them, it also means they're basically putting them in a box. It means that many people are often either going out into the world without access to a formal SIgn Language (and thus the ability to communicate with other deaf) until well into adulthood or sometimes *at all.* We know of a woman with *grandchildren* that was kept hidden her entire life and never learned any official sign language and had no interaction with other deaf until into her 70s.

“In the current year, is it too much to ask people to do some basic research before showing their whole arse to the world? Is that too much to ask?” THANK YOU!!!! SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK!!!

31:31 This also goes for people with autism (such as myself) and people with ADHD and/or ADD. While the effects of ADHD and ADD can be lessened with medicine, it is still important to note that people find it very hard to comprehend the fact that someone can hear ALL the conversations and noises in a room instead of only the important things, that someone can have a mess of a room or table and yet know where everything is and many other examples. While the deaf and/or blind are the ones that have the most difficulty with this societal and (at least partially) systemic issue, many other groups also suffer from ableism in the world.

@Coeliel

7 ай бұрын

I wish there were options where I live that cared about adult diagnosis because the hearing all conversations in a room (this is no fun in an open floor office and I need to blast something that drowns out the rest because noise canceling headphones tend to not be great with human speech) and the "messy" desk is 100% me. Here as an adult it is a matter of you are not a priority and I do want kids to have all resources needed it is just sad there isn't enough for them and none for the rest.

@NathanCassidy721

6 ай бұрын

As an aspey who hates ableism and neurodivergence as a term because it’s promoted by the people like these TikTokers, in my experience most people do not understand what a disability is because they don’t want to. They have this idea in their head that they certainly got from a movie that if you are disabled, you are incapable of taking care of yourself. And they are so dead set on not changing this worldview despite evidence to the contrary because they have an ego that is hypersensitive to the thought of being wrong. And it’s not due to intentional malice but rather they want to be seen as the savior that protects the “downtrodden” from the “evils of the world”. Because they have a Bigotry of Low Expectations that actively does more harm than good. Which is why they tend to get mega embarrassed when they find out the guy whose been intellectually ripping them a new one reveals he “suffers” from Autism. That being said, I do agree that a lot disabled people have gotten the short end of the stick in life. So a lot of this unintended bigotry is coming from good intentions but it doesn’t make it any less patronizing. And Influencers trying “educate” the masses tend to be self-absorbed narcissists with no life experience. Anyway, verbose post over.

@rarelycold6618

2 ай бұрын

​@Coeliel you can get specialized ear-plugs that aim to block out enough background noise while still being able to have normal conversations. The ones I got were through Loop, I can't speak to the efficacy of other brands.

When I was a kid, I read about Helen Keller in one of my history books, and I remember being completely unable to wrap my head around the idea that one could learn to speak without being spoken to…but my instinct, as all peoples should be, was to want to understand it, not to just assume it was fake. So many conspiracy theories seem to hinge on the idea that if you, someone completely uneducated and unfamiliar with the subject, can’t 100% understand it immediately with minimal research then it can’t possibly be true, and it makes more sense to dream up elaborate conspiracies than it does to familiarise yourself with the concept and admit to your own lack of knowledge and your biases.

@shaunkollamparampil1710

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to ask but did Helen Keller ever describe experience railroad crossing because that was the best scene she wrote that I kinda remember. It was weirdly nostalgic for me, and I forgot what the rest of the novel is about. Her life was full of doubt and learning she rarely described scenery like these.

@na3rial

Жыл бұрын

Precisely. In the long run, it takes far more effort to make a conspiracy seem “true” than it does to just look things up

@scottwillie6389

Жыл бұрын

Your head couldn't wrap around it because even at that age, you were smart enough not to fall for an obvious hoax. We know what babies who go deaf and blind at age 19 months are like. We have over a century of case studies at this point. The Hellen Keller story is a fraud. That is settled scientific fact. The only question regarding "conspiracy" is who was behind the fraud. Was it just Ann Sullivan bilking Helen's rich parents out of their money and making herself famous. Or was there something more sinister and powerful behind it? Why did the entire media promote this nonsense?

@YarPirates-vy7iv

Жыл бұрын

​@n30nI don't think that's true. They research whatever supports their points and disregard all the evidence that would suggest otherwise. And they just use coverups as a general excuse for why there isn't now supporting evidence for their view. They decide before they research and that blinds them.

@KetsubanSolo

Жыл бұрын

​@n30n66 in practice however, conspiracy theories tend to ignore lots of vital information and research that would debunk them. By their nature, conspiracy theories exist because lots of people are overwhelmed at the millions of systems coexisting globally that affect us on a daily basis.

I remember being in elementary school watching The Miracle Worker (1962) and was completely interested in Helen Keller’s story, but always wondered why every film, lecture or textbook would always end the story once Helen was finally able to communicate. It just seemed like there was so much more to tell considering the long life she had, so it was weird to me how every history class would only talk about her childhood. All those kids books you mentioned perfectly sums up the issue. They were NEVER interested in any of her accomplishments outside of learning to speak.

@DrKratso

Жыл бұрын

Her being a socialist also didn't help with the "we don't want anyone to know more about her"

@kiraaisling9603

Жыл бұрын

They didn’t want to hear what she had to say

@nrgao

Жыл бұрын

That sounds about par for the course. History is very much an exclusive and selective way of framing information, and the only parts of Helen Keller's story that American government and media viewed as successful were; 1. their ability to teach a multi-handicapped woman how to contribute to society and 2. the positive effect the press and PR had on voting citizens. As soon as she was educated and capable enough to express her own critically thought out ideas on a mass scale, she began espousing socialist rhetoric that flew in the face of the capitalist "patriots" that value tradition and towing the line over morals, ethics and true free social evolution.

@francisnopantses1108

Жыл бұрын

She was very against Jim Crow and lived in the South so that was one reason they don't want us to hear from her.

@scottwillie6389

Жыл бұрын

Because even in the event someone was stupid enough to buy this ridiculous story up to that point, continuing on with the story makes the hoax obvious. Helen Keller, blind and deaf since the age of 19 months someone managed to not only develop a complex political worldview, but that worldview happens to coincide perfectly with the radical beliefs of Ann Sullivan. Give me a break!

For people wondering how the deafblind can learn language: You know how blind people tend to have very good hearing, since their brain devotes so much attention to it to compensate for lack of sight? Well, double that for the touch of deafblind infants; it's essentially their only way to get information about the world, so they're incredibly good at distinguishing things by touch. So you start with the basics, like any baby would. Like any baby, you don't know what "mom" and "dad" are, but you have two caretakers, who you can distinguish by the roughness of their hands, hairiness of their arms, etc. If you do a certain motion, and one caretaker responds, while a different motion makes a different caretaker respond, you learn to refer to each of them. Then, through similar reinforcement, you start learning about other things you care about - touch them one way and you get milk, touch another way and you get a blanket, etc. This conveys the connection between objects and motions. Then you grow organically from there; it might not seem intuitive to a seeing and hearing person, but fundamentally language acquisition is just a continual process of using your existing context to understand new things in a gradually more complex manner, and occasionally just doing what gets you rewards when you don't understand what's going on. That's how a lot of the understanding of abstract concepts starts - for example, little kids generally don't understand what "manners" are, or what "rudeness" is, no matter how much you try to explain it, but they know there's some actions that make their parents mad and that if they do things the way they're told they get praised or at least not scolded, and then this gradually develops into a shared social understanding of those abstract concepts. One of the more common questions people ask is "how can they convey/learn concepts like anxiety," but seeing and hearing kids *already* motion express for emotions! If you already want to jump and shake your arms up and down when you're happy, then your caregiver can teach you to grab somebody and shake *them* to express that you're happy. Anxiety? A little harder, simply because anxiety makes you less interested in learning, but there's certainly body language associated with it. If they grab the hem of their shirt when they feel anxious, you can use that as your starting point and teach them to grab the hem of someone *else's* shirt to convey "anxiety." Obviously the experts have done a lot more work than I can in a KZread comment standardizing these methods, but it's quite possible to teach with touch.

I can't relate to the lack of curiosity shown by some people. To find out about Keller's achievements, and instead of thinking "How did she do that?" and looking it up, they simply thought "No she didn't".

When my former mother-in-law was seven years old (1933) her mother took her to see Helen Keller give a speech in Boston, MA. Seeing Ms. Keller had such a profound effect on her that she grew-up to become a teacher (my mother-in-law was deaf in the higher register). Thanks Soup Emporium for this incredible video!

@MikeHunt-tf1rn

Жыл бұрын

"Gave a speech" you mean she played tickle games with Ann while her puppet master said propaganda

@Data-Expungeded

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeHunt-tf1rn did you watch the video i ask you. I agree what she says sometimes is propaganda but she is speaking

@dykethatbites

Жыл бұрын

@@MikeHunt-tf1rn you seem like bait, but giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you aren’t, watch the video, or watch it again. Watch more videos of Keller’s speeches, read about Keller’s intense interest and belief in politics, do the research.

It's depressing how some people, instead of applauding the deafblind for their feats, are being deaf and blind themselves to facts just because some influencers said so

@josephpentony4804

Жыл бұрын

It’s kinda of thing with certain people. they either lack critical thinking skills or don’t care enough to inform themselves on a topic so parrot information they remember from somewhere. Too often this somewhere is some clickbait channel or article, some influencer presenting themselves as knowledgeable, or an uninformed friend. They then go onto parade this misconception like absolute fact and speak as if they are an absolute authority on the topic because of the Dunning-Kruger effect. People off-handle believe something, but they don’t remember what led them to believe it.

@an0nym0us_slash35

Жыл бұрын

Also most people nowadays go "horrible person = everything they do is fake" was Hellen Keller a horrible person? Probably, everyone in her time was but is she a fake? Nah

@clownstuf

Жыл бұрын

Thing is, most of the videos claiming Helen Keller was a fraud that blew up were not made by influencers, they were just random people with an average following.

@kingcrustytut7544

Жыл бұрын

Do you have any other people who’s feats should be applauded? I’ve been looking and it doesn’t seem like any exist

I can't imagine why the guy who patented the telephone would actively work against folks using non-speech communication methods oh wait

Just a reminder that Braille is not a language but a writing system (also varies from country to country) 🤗

@somerandommen

7 ай бұрын

It's like how Latin, Phoenician, Greek and Cyrillic are all similar looking, but have completely different alphabets.

I grew up in Seattle with a Deaf-Blind mother. We use tactile sign language. She was a very active member of the Deaf / Blind community in Seattle and would take me and my sister to community meetings. We have had many encounters with Deaf, Blind, and Deaf-Blind people and their children. In fact, some of the folks in the clips you played pertaining to tactile being developed in Seattle, I have met and known as a child. Seattle really is the bastion for the Deaf-Blind in America. The city and state offered many services for the Deaf-Blind such as interpreters, SSPs, and work opportunities. Unlike in California, where she lives now, which offers squat. In California, the Deaf, and Deaf-Blind especially, are treated like second-class citizens, and in the eyes of some lawmakers, as burdens to their city budget. They cut funding for many Deaf-Blind services in my Mom's city some years back. She is unable to be independent due to the severe lack of services for the Deaf-Blind. It's awful, really. She's an incredible inspiration and wonderful woman. She deserves the best. Some might say she should just move back to Seattle - but she really wants to be as close to family as possible. Anyway, I really really really appreciate you making a video debunking this God awful conspiracy theory flying around. This is something very personal for me. It's sad to see misinformed children and adults spread around this regressive theory because they cannot fathom how Deaf-Blind people operate. They also dismiss the real world impact that Keller had, not just for the Deaf, Blind, and Deaf-Blind, but for greater society as a whole. My mom was not born blind, so she had plenty of time to develop speech in a visual world, but when she had me, she was pretty much blind and she managed to raise me and my sister, with some help. That's all the proof me, or anyone that has ever known her, needed to know how capable the Deaf-Blind are in our society. Thank you again Soup Emporium. You've taught me things about the Deaf-Blind that I didn't even know about, so that's awesome! Anyway, take care :)

@soupluv

Жыл бұрын

Your mom seems like an amazing woman and I’m so glad you got those experiences. Sadly the world is not kind to people with any disabilities or extra needs

@ChiWillett

Жыл бұрын

I can't speak to your experience, but I can relate to the experience of watching someone you love navigate a world that refuses to acknowledge what their needs are and how to adequately accommodate them. I grew up with a single mom who had paranoia schizophrenia and a lot of the sentiments you express strongly resonate with me. Really appreciate you taking the time to share your experience and help illustrate why advocacy for immediate change is so necessary

@requiemforameme1

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing! I lived in Seattle from 2006ish, and having moved there from NYC I immediately noticed a lot of deaf- or blind-supportive urban planning. At the time, it was less common for crosswalks to make an auditory signal. Even small things, like both adding bump strips at crosswalks _and_ nearly all curbs being sloped. So, thanks to your mother and the Seattle community for making it a more welcoming place for everyone. :) (My sister is legally blind, so I have many childhood memories of a frustrated mother talking to tonedeaf school administrators. They were quick to show off some new piece of equipment, but had no answers for real shit like transportation assistance. It's sad to realize that so many services are conducted at the state-level. Though on the bright side, technology has made much of this world more accessible.)

@superfamilyallosauridae6505

Жыл бұрын

It's just clear to me that some people don't understand the enduring human spirit. They've never had to fix or do anything really complicated or difficult on their own. In my mind, Helen Keller is similar to an astronaut, due to the literal challenges she had to overcome to do what she did. The silliest, smallest things can make something possible or impossible. Some people just don't get that.

@jasonarmstrong5750

Жыл бұрын

How did your mom meet your dad?

Hi, as someone who's blind, can I suggest that you narrate your title cards? Beyond that, I really appreciate how listenable your content is and how this video both recognizes how it's difficult for folks to understand the experiences of someone with a disability that reduces or cuts off access to a sense and also recognizes folks need to do their research rather than make stupid assumptions.

@theoneandonlysoupemporium

Жыл бұрын

Good idea! Will start doing that in the future!

@Ott3r5losh

Жыл бұрын

Ok, I’ll say it: how tf you type out that message then ? ❤

@vodkalover4204

Жыл бұрын

@@Ott3r5losh there's a feature on modern phones and pcs where whenever you tap your screen or keyboard the pc uses text to speech to tell you what you touched or wrote or clicked on

@vodkalover4204

Жыл бұрын

@@Ott3r5losh kzread.info/dash/bejne/h66ayNCbcsjeZsY.html

@yandoryn

Жыл бұрын

@@Ott3r5losh with a keyboard. I learned to touch type before I started losing my vision. My screen reader has the option of reading my typing to me as I type it, but unless I’m working on something syntax specific I have it set to buzz at me when there is a spelling error, but otherwise not tell me my text. I’m also not totally blind (most blind people aren’t) and so use a combination of screen reader and magnifier to navigate my computer.

I love that people like you and Hbomber are such good at journalism that when you make mistakes (like the podcast clip) it is completely overshadowed by the fact that a youtuber almost single handedly conducted research so devotedly that they reach well past professional standards because you don't have the restrictions of a company or are otherwise employed by someone else for this stuff. Also it's the kind of journalism that is genuinely interesting to chronically online people such as myself.

@cjdflkj

4 ай бұрын

What research? He presented unrelated information as facts in favor of Helen. None of the people mentioned as “see there are others” were 100% deaf and 100% blind from infancy. He didn’t explain at all how you can teach someone concepts when their perception of the world is and always will be extremely limited. Explain how you’d teach Helen about the concept of eugenics…I will wait.

@TheJollySoviet

4 ай бұрын

@@cjdflkj Thank you very much for waiting. If you would now kindly and actually watch the video in its entirety you would see how he has an entire section dedicated towards cases where people learn to communicate purely through touch. Going so far as to bring up an entire classroom of children who created their own entire language based on touch, with sourcing and footage of it. After that come back and read the rest of this comment. Great! Glad you researched your argument further! Now, if you should wish to refute the evidence presented in favor of those with sensory handicaps *not* being utterly useless, now would be a great time to present your case. To be clear I specifically mean use evidence to support your claim. Again, *evidence*. Not a childish retort, not a dismissal of evidence because it doesn't sit right with you, not an ad hominem. You commented on a post I made 5 months ago claiming this entire video is made in bad faith. Further, you made an ass of yourself by not even fully watching the video before making your comment. The burden of proof lies with you. I will wait.

I was kind of reminded of the video Internet Historian did on Floyd Collins. He wasn't disabled, but he was in peril, and the extreme disreguard people had for the fate of his life, and how little people knew about the actual situation. Someone even tried to have it look like a hoax. It reminds me of those tiktokkers. They don't care about what's actually going on, they don't care for the actual story, they just follow whatever strange ideas enter their heads, not considering any of the damage it could do to anyone involved.

@Hifuutorian

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. It's really something.

@milodoesntknow2090

2 ай бұрын

oo this certainly aged poorly. the point that youre making still stands but the internet historian bit.. yikes lol

While Koko and Helen Keller were both technically great apes, it is important to note that Helen Keller was a member of a species with well documented linguistic abilities, the idea that she could communicate is not nearly as ground breaking or strange as the idea of a non human animal being able to do so, and frankly, it is deeply weird that people saw the Koko video and their minds immediately went to Helen Keller.

@charlottearanea7507

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, the Koko video makes a reference to Hellen Keller near the end, comparing the mythologizing of the water sign story with the mythologizing of Koko. It didn't come out of exactly nowhere. (To be clear I am in no way at all denying the ableism and wrongness of the Hellen Keller conspiracy)

@anilin6353

Жыл бұрын

I don't think humans can communicate

@GuiTheKratos

Жыл бұрын

"it is deeply weird that people saw the Koko video and their minds immediately went to Helen Keller." Talked as someone that didn't watch the entire Koko video

@scottwillie6389

Жыл бұрын

Except her communication skills absolutely were (and still ARE) completely "ground breaking" for people of her species who go deaf and blind at 18 months. We know what people like Helen Keller are like. And people bring up the Koko video because that is exactly what Helen was to Ann Sullivan. Sullivan found a human ape she could use as part of her con to bilk Helen's parents out of their considerable wealth, portray herself as some "brilliant" scientist and teacher, and get publicity for her own radical political views.

@eos_aurora

Жыл бұрын

@@scottwillie6389someone didn’t watch the video

This was fucking incredible dude. Been disabled all my life. I've just turned 30. But in an hour and a half you educated me more on how to articulate my own thoughts on disability equality than I've ever developed on my own.

"I dont undestand and I'm not intellectually curious enough to find out" sums it up so well. And it would be fine if it stopped there in their own little head. But then they make entire videos, comments, and posts, defending ignorance to the teeth, and suddenly I feel so deeply depressed about the world.

@nickbrowning3270

7 ай бұрын

Look in a mirror. They try to sell you the idea the blind can fly aircraft. It’s delusional

@itssovalentine

7 ай бұрын

​@nickbrowning3270 Idk who "they" is, but a blind woman briefly controlling a mid-flight aircraft after being instructed on how to do so is not far fetched.

@nickbrowning3270

7 ай бұрын

@@itssovalentine if you count that as flying an airplane you can become a journalist

@itssovalentine

7 ай бұрын

@@nickbrowning3270 It's splitting hairs over the definition of flying. But if you consider a person a fraud because you believe that what they did one time technically didn't count as flying, I think that's silly.

@nickbrowning3270

7 ай бұрын

@@itssovalentine I don’t think it’s semantics to say a blind person without advanced guidance systems can’t fly. The whole ethos surrounding this story is pretty fantastical and a lot of disabled people have a problem with this type of myth making. You can empower people without turning them into cartoon characters, that I think is silly

I never really considered the possibility of Helen Keller being a hoax. I grew up admiring her and was fascinated by her story. I was almost 8 years old when she died, and I remember even now, how I felt when I heard about it. I know it probably sounds silly, but I felt as though I'd lost a friend.

TIL this is an actual conspiracy theory and not just an absurd joke

@cabbage-soup

Жыл бұрын

even if it were an absurd joke, what is the joke making fun of?

@l9poppypowerhouse292

Жыл бұрын

@@cabbage-soup absurd and obvious wrong/malicious conspiracy theories like the alex jokes claiming sandy hook was fake while horrid it’s still mocked by like “birds arnt real” videos

@nukclear2741

Жыл бұрын

@@l9poppypowerhouse292 correction, like most Alex Jones conspiracy theories.

@communisticus191

Жыл бұрын

@@cabbage-soup in this case it would be the people making the conspiracy and by extension the ableism that leads to it, would it not? for example, with the first guy at around 3:30: "does THIS look like the signature of someone who was blind AND deaf?" while showing a perfectly normal looking signature for a deafblind person. "TWELVE books, thats not even a realistic number for someone who has... ALL their senses" is so inherently absurd and funny to me because it must have been realistic for the millions of people who have done it, though I have no idea if hes actually joking or not

@cabbage-soup

Жыл бұрын

how is it satirical though, if it simply reproduces the object of ridicule?

When I first heard about this rumor, my first thought was how similar it was to the rumor that Stevie Wonder is faking his blindness, the evidence in both cases relying heavily on the teller's opinion on what a blind person ought to be able to enjoy or show interest in ("why does Stevie Wonder get courtside seats at basketball games?" &c).

@skeetsmcgrew3282

Жыл бұрын

I heard once someone say that blind people shouldn't enjoy drinking booze. What in the actual fk does sight have to do with laughing and feeling fuzzy. In fact it's probably the sense LEAST affected by alcohol

@TryinaD

Жыл бұрын

Lmao yes, it’s like they don’t really care to know what that means, and even if Stevie was 100% blind for that basketball example he could still enjoy the sound of the ball dribbling etc and feel the people moving under his feet.

@PersephoneDarling28

Жыл бұрын

Court side Seats are awesome! That's all the reason Stevie Wonder needs imo

@sssilky3317

Жыл бұрын

IMO doubting the capability of someone who’s dead-blind is a lot easier than doubting someone who is only blind or deaf.

@TalkingVidya

Жыл бұрын

It's not like, almost every sport has comentators narrating the game that can be heard in the stadium

Bro uploaded 7 of the highest quality videos on the platform and dipped, max respect.

This video's ending always leaves me with a pit in my stomach. Not sure if it's just the utopia music followed by complete silence or the harrowing message about how our society continues to fail people with disabilities even now, but I always leave with a sense of dread.

I had a classmate who thought Hellen Keller was faking bc "if she was really blind she would have starved to death" I genuinely thought she was joking but she was serious

@Madjichen

10 ай бұрын

That is so fucked up beyond comprehension.....

@Helperbot-2000

10 ай бұрын

clarly human babies are faking beeing useless members of society, othewise theyd die. make justice, put babies to work!

@zcarp8642

10 ай бұрын

We arent wild animals, where those that are unfit in some way, shape or form, be it poor eyesight, partial deafness, or a broken bone such as a leg or arm, would lead to inevitable death. We are caring(mostly) and care for those of us who are not well, whether it being permanent or temporary, born or acquired.

@somedragonbastard

10 ай бұрын

​@@zcarp8642exactly like humans have been caring for our disabled for literal thousands of years

@Wynnie1121

9 ай бұрын

I feel like everyone knew that one person in school who was just the biggest idiot ever and would say the dumbest shit with reckless abandon

The third section make me realize how we make people like Helen Keler stories to be a commodity without even realizing.

@brett66

Жыл бұрын

America has a long tradition of "great man" syndrome... turning living, three-dimensional human beings into one-dimensional statues that act as political totems.

it's actually crazy how much a society's ideology can change the perspective of certain issues so drastically. The soviets focused on reaching the Marxist utopia through effort and community, seeing the disabled as a different way of experiencing the world, to which they tried to adjust to the beat of their abilities. Capitalism is mainly focused on efficiency. Why make society adjust to a different way of experience if you could just make another kid who is "normal". I'm not saying capitalistic societies can't help people with disabilities, obviously if you live in a developed country you could live somewhat normally. But a lot of things would be different if we didn't saw people as money making projects and instead see them as individuals with different experiences that are a part of our community.

@AverageAlien

11 күн бұрын

Marxism is about powerful evil psychopaths controlling the masses using lies and manipulation and eventually transitioning to force. That's it. Capitalism is basic human rights and freedoms. Discussion over

Miss you dude hope you post again soon

Oh my god, it's personal responsability all the way down. It's never "the system leaves people to die if they can't be of use to it" it's always "they just don't try hard enough" . I blame Thatcher for this.

@laurioho2041

Жыл бұрын

There no such thing as society is the my favourite quote

@zarlg

Жыл бұрын

Literally who ever said that?

@finnshelton3815

Жыл бұрын

@@zarlg Margeret Thatcher

@zarlg

Жыл бұрын

@@finnshelton3815 Margaret Thatcher said deafblind people don't try hard enough? I mean if anyone did it would be her, but I still kind of doubt it.

@finnshelton3815

Жыл бұрын

@@zarlg no she said people who don't succeed don't try hard enough and often insinuated that this was why disabled people were poor. Edit: elaboration: it's not that she directly said it, but often implied that was her belief

I learned the storybook version of how Keller learned to finger-spell when I was a child. I learned about her political radicalism as a teenager. I've always been furious that I'd been taught this feel-good story about her learning to speak, only to never be told what she had to say afterward. So thanks for this video, Soup.

@ckind2098

Жыл бұрын

"I'd been taught this feel-good story about her learning to speak, only to never be told what she had to say afterward" This is a great summary

@kazmark_gl8652

Жыл бұрын

It's a dark irony that the thing most people learn about Hellen Keller is that she learned to speak, not what she told us. she was heard but no on listened. in a better world she will be remembered and honored properly as a great american hero of labor.

@thebigragu9952

Жыл бұрын

@@kazmark_gl8652 in a better world she’ll be remembered as the puppet she was

@Amy-yq4lk

Жыл бұрын

Same, except I didn't learn about the political radicalism until I was thirty-ish I think? It's infuriating.

@thanatoast

Жыл бұрын

I mean she was also a eugenics advocate (as stated in the video), but that wasn't exactly an uncommon position to have at the time so.

He said "12 books isn't realistic for someone with all of their senses." Hemingway: 17 Lovecraft: 18 (died at 46) Stephen White: 20 Steinbeck: 33 Stephen King: 77 RL Stine: 495

@binguslover420

3 ай бұрын

He only said this because he can’t comprehend writing one book himself lol. He probably can’t sit down and read a book without pictures in it.

@idlegameplayer3756

3 ай бұрын

those people are outliers, most people don't write any books, but those who do usually only write a few

@None-Trick_Pony

3 күн бұрын

Agatha Christie: 80

As a disabled person, this video rocks. Thanks for sharing a voice that most people won't otherwise listen too

the amount of women i’ve seen with “hellen keller truther” in their tinder bio is truly insane. Thanks for making this video!

@cerleryovercoat5662

Жыл бұрын

Just like most things I can't tell if that's satire

@conzmoleman

Жыл бұрын

99.999% sure it’s a joke / meme

@bryanzzz748

Жыл бұрын

@@conzmoleman It’s still not okay to “joke” about it considering just how ableist the “joke” actually is

@conzmoleman

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanzzz748 🙄

@Michael.js117

Жыл бұрын

@@bryanzzz748 it’s called having a sense of humor.

I think the issue with the learning to speak thing has to do with people's misunderstanding that when it comes to deafness, there is not just one type of being deaf. My father is deaf. He can't hear high pitched or really quiet noises like one of our windchimes. He can however hear low pitched and loud noises. Just because someone is labeled as deaf, does not mean thet have lost _all_ ability to hear, it just means they have lost some ability to hear.

@bizzaremonkey756

Жыл бұрын

so she WAS a fraud

@clintbustwood4800

Жыл бұрын

My brother was born deaf and is almost entirely deaf but every once in a while he’ll hear the sound of a nearby motorcycle backfiring and look around completely bewildered. We both get a kick out of it

@some_shitposting_idiot3023

Жыл бұрын

People are aware of the different types but the way it's made out to be is that Hellen couldn't see or hear at all Which really brings into question how the fuck can someone learn to talk, how would she even know what the letters sound like?

@clintbustwood4800

Жыл бұрын

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 Jesus Christ, take two minutes to read the education methods. its all publicly available from the schools and government programs

@Woodland_Adventures

Жыл бұрын

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 did you... like... watch the video? She felt a persons throat and felt the vibrations needed to make different letters, and copied them. She understood what letters were which because her aid used hand writing or whatever it's called to let helen know what letter was being pronounced by the person she had her hand on.

As a gen z person (22) I can possibly provide some context to why people called this "satire" or whatever. A lot of zoomers like to mock the crazy right wing conspiracy theorist wackjobs (ie; Alex Jones), especially because we see a lot of these types of people in media more post-2016, its kinda something the late teens and young adults who are gen z and grew up online are used to, fuckin hate, and therefore make fun of. So in mocking them some will say blatantly stupid/ignorant shit like "wake up! Really think about it! No way Hellen Keller could read!" Which, yeah, it's ableist and dumb as hell to say, that's the point. Because people like the ones the video maker is trying to mock say ableist and stupid shit like that all the time. (Not trying to excuse this obviously, just trying to provide context.) Unfortunately, like the majority of the internet, people don't realize there's a proper way to set up satire, like it's one thing if someone can tell its an obvious infowars parody or if the video is labeled "shitty conspiracy theory podcast bros be like:", but just sitting in your car and saying shit like that with no indication that you're trying to satirize such media and the blatantly abelist and nonsensical ideas that come out of their host's mouths, you just come off as one of those people, and before you know it you have people actually believing the false bullshit. Just like with this.

@thefirstsalty3055

8 ай бұрын

i dont get it what is the joke *what is the joke*

@aDeprivedSeal

8 ай бұрын

​@@thefirstsalty3055the joke is that people we are making fun of actually exist.

The way that we can communicate in so many different ways is so beautiful to me, and the way some people don’t get it will always be sad to me

@Wynnie1121

9 ай бұрын

Some people don't seem to understand that them not being able to understand another person's experience does not invalidate them. It's the same problem the trans community is dealing with.

"They literally yeeted a language into existence" That is actually amazing, and by a group of school kids no less.

@Purplesquigglystripe

Жыл бұрын

Really shows the difference between humans and other apes in terms of language use and capacity. We instinctively try to communicate through language and if there isn’t one, we’ll make one.

There's also a weird misconception that Helen Keller was mute. This has been around ever since I was a kid in the 90's, with really terrible ableist "jokes" about her falling into a well and yelling for help in sign. A lot of these conspiracy theories parrot that as well, and obviously don't know the first thing about Keller. So people have been formulating these idiotic, ignorant, offensive ideas while not knowing anything about what they're making their viral TikTok on.

@upperplaygrounds6913

Жыл бұрын

" Falling into a well and yelling for help in sign language " .Whoever thought that up is off the charts 😭 I blame you if I end up in hell for laughing.

@warlordofbritannia

Жыл бұрын

@@upperplaygrounds6913 “What’s that, Lassie? Helen Keller fell down a well? Did she not read the sign to not do that?”

@Connection-Lost

Жыл бұрын

There are 2 options: She is actually blind and deaf, in which case, she is mute or can only make odd moaning sounds, or, she's not totally deaf and blind and is faking it. Sorry, that's reality. That's why there has never been another Helen Keller. Because Sullivan was making the whole thing up.

@juilenwooten8985

Жыл бұрын

@@Connection-Lost are you being sarcastic or did you just not watch the video or use your brain.

@BenDover-xw7dv

Жыл бұрын

@@Connection-Lost I like your name, it's fitting for someone who's lost the ability to make logical or emotional connections with the world

I feel like calling the critical learning period for language acquisition a lie and comparing it to second language acquisition later in life is really disingenuous. Learning the skills for understanding and utilizing language are completely different from learning how to reusing those same skills to understand a second language.

Humans are capable of absolutely insane levels of accomplishment in spite of any hindrance put before them. Not sure why anyone would think she was a fraud unless their only exposure to her is through the movie, which is just downright embarrassingly bad.

@Meme_Lor

7 ай бұрын

We went to the moon, multiple times, but a deaf blind person writing too unrealistic apparently

"Does this look like the handwriting of someone who is blind?" Well let's see the characters are all extremely uniform (more uniform and standard than I've seen from most sighted people) and extremely blocky, as if she wanted to avoid curves as much as possible and used a ruler. Which she did, if memory serves correctly. "How could she have written twelve books?" SHE HAD A TYPEWRITER. SHE HAD A TYPEWRITER WORK BRAILLE KEYCAPS SO SHE KNEW WHAT THE LETTERS WERE, AND SHE MIGHT NOT HAVE NEEDED EVEN THAT BECAUSE SHE COULD HAVE JUST MEMORIZED A REGULAR TYPEWRITER'S LAYOUT JUST LIKE WE DO WITH KEYBOARDS TODAY!! ALSO SHE WAS AN ACTIVIST!! ACTIVISTS SAY SHIT!! THEY WRITE SHIT!! IT'S KINDA WHAT THEY DO!! Look I know I'm not like the biggest Helen Keller stan or whatever but her autobiography ("The Story of My Life") made me cry and I hate people just trying to dunk on her for cheap ableism points. IN HER BOOK SHE RECORDED THAT SHE HAD IMMENSE DIFFICULTY LEARNING HOW TO SPEAK BECAUSE SHE HAD TO FORM THE SOUNDS WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT SOUNDS WERE. BUT DESPITE THE DIFFICULTY SHE WAS ADAMANT IN HER RESOLVE TO KEEP LEARNING BECAUSE SHE KNEW THAT WAS THE BEST WAY TO COMMUNICATE HER THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS TO THOSE WHO DIDN'T KNOW THE MANUAL ALPHABET.

Thank you for this because I remember schools just using Helen Keller as a feel good story and symbol but refusing to answer any questions about her story. Teachers would give you dirty looks and say you were being rude if you asked how she learned to read or write.

@JosephFlores-yn4yi

6 ай бұрын

Its interesting because Asking how can a Deaf Blind person learn how to write or speak isn't bad at all, the problem comes with how do you decide to answer it, do you research the information and or ask Blind Deaf People to learn? Or do you question them just because you can't understand how they would learn?

1:12:36 Oh my god I am so glad someone is actually talking about that. I'm heavily autistic and I was noticeably disabled from a young age, and later in life I would develop schizophrenia. I have noticed during the course of my time at school that weird shift, where i remember being treated as some dumb kid who couldn't do anything to some secret megagenius. And either way it's incredibly patronizing and insulting. Especially when the people who treat me like I have some hidden genius and creative talent are VERY quick to call me slurs and accost me when I, a disabled person, am unable to do things prevented by my disability or if I dare to even show symptoms. It's really annoying

I most especially admired the rendition of the bad men's quotes in sneering tones, so that the audience could know ahead of time that they were evil and that they could steel themselves in the armour of contempt against their villainous entreaties.

The fundamental misunderstanding that is going on is that when people hear deaf and blind, they don't hear "this person can see so little and hear so little that they are functionally blind and deaf" they hear "total blackness and total silence"

@amoureux6502

Жыл бұрын

They also can't fathom that there are methods of communication and thinking beyond sight and sound

@zarlg

Жыл бұрын

And this is exactly the confusion being made in this video, because as far as I know Helen Keller really was in total darkness and total silence, unlike the other examples shown here.

@MoonGalleon22

Жыл бұрын

@@zarlg Why would that matter? This video does a lot to prove how she was able to use touch and vibrations of sound to communicate. It feels disingenuous to get through the whole video and then insist the conspiracy must still have merit because "well she really WAS deaf-blind, unlike those ~other examples~"

@zarlg

Жыл бұрын

@@MoonGalleon22 It shows the tools used to communicate with verbal deafblind people. It makes no effort at explaining how a non-verbal fully deafblind person could learn language in the first place. How do you teach someone who has never spoken before symbols to represent properties, or concepts, or anything beyond touchable objects, through touch alone? That's the part that's difficult to wrap one's head around and that would have been interesting to see in this video. Instead it lists a bunch of deliberately misleading examples none of whom were in the same conditions as Helen Keller, and hopes to bully the viewer into consensus through a whole lot of name-calling.

@JNCressey

Жыл бұрын

@@zarlg, How do you teach a hearing person that spoken words mean things?

i'm autistic and i understand exactly what it's like to be on the other side of people not understanding that their perception of the world isn't the ONLY perception of the world. it doesn't cost anything to be kind and compassionate to your fellow human beings x

@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286

Жыл бұрын

Well, yes it does. It can cost the world.

@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts

Жыл бұрын

@@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286 Then said 'world' isn't worth saving.

@nileprimewastaken

Жыл бұрын

@@KrasMazovHatesYourGuts It costs your view of the world, even if it is wrong and isn't worth saving.

@somerandomgoblin2583

Жыл бұрын

same here; the way people view disabled and neurodivergent people is so strange to me, because we're just people trying our best to live in a world that isn't made with us in mind- and we're still actively being kicked down while we're at it.

I'm such a lucky guy... My mum got me a book with quotes from famous people. It said: Hellen Keller (deaf and blind) said: life is rather a daring adventure or nothing. And this sparked me to read her autobiography because I wanted to know more about it.....