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I’ve read recently that GT wasn’t just a ceremonial site but was occupied by a very large population on a year round basis. LIDAR scans have shown a large populated area surrounding the larger structures.

@RalphEllis

5 ай бұрын

…. Gobekli Tepi was a necropolis. The rectangular rooms at the back have small T-pillars in them. They were sacred places. They were store-rooms for the recently dead. Gobekli Tepe was a necropolis. (The basins were for ritual washing.) (Every Jewish tomb contained a basin.) The Near East is full of necropoli, from many different eras, and Gobekli is just a very early one. From time immemorial, people spent their money (time and energy) on temples and necropoli. They might live in mud-huts, but their sacred spaces would be of stone. And there are no bones at Gobekli, because in Eastern traditions the bones were gathered up and taken home. There are no bones in the nearby Harran and Edessan necropoli either (much later necropoli). R

@snieves4

5 ай бұрын

@@RalphEllisplease cite your sources?

@Alarix246

4 ай бұрын

@@RalphEllis that's what they thought at first. But there are rectangular buildings as well for permanent dwelling.

The link to the Faynan Heritage video is amazing! And the theme of exploring wider networks in the Neolithic rather than treating each site as separate is extremely important.

This theory reminds me of that suggested by Jane Jacobs in her book 'The Economy of Cities' first published in 1969. Pottery is tens of thousands of years older in East Asia.

@scottzema3103

5 ай бұрын

Indeed the Jomon culture of Japan produced what is described as the oldest pottery in the world.

@telebubba5527

5 ай бұрын

Actually the first ceramic artefact, the Venus of Dolní Věstonice. Found in a small prehistoric settlement near Brno, in the Czech Republic. And dates back to 28,000 BCE. The first pottery was found in Jiangxi, China and dates back to 18,000 BCE. So it took some 10,000 years to reach the Middle East. Gobekli Tepe is a so-called pre-pottery site. But that clearly only counts for that area.

@Alarix246

5 ай бұрын

@@telebubba5527well but that Venus wasn't used as a vessel. It took another route to develop. I find that fascinating, because it seems that the first vessels were woven baskets plastered by clay. We'll never know when the first baskets made of birch bark, or were woven of willow or tamariscus twigs or grass. We'll unfortunately will never know the woven patterns on them, but it seems to me that the earliest pottery vessels tried to imitate the woven patterns of those woven baskets still. Of course the woven ones were in use concurrently till very late - we can say that some sorts of traditional woven baskets are made even today.

@mrbaab5932

5 ай бұрын

​@@Alarix246I don't think woven baskets were water tight, so they could not be used in water storage and wet food cooking or storage. Also I think rodents have an easier time chewing threw woven baskets than clay baskets.

@indirectsiinreluare233

5 ай бұрын

@@scottzema3103 how old?

Thank you, another interesting and well presented video. And congratulations on 12K subscribers! It's nice to be here and see your numbers grow. ☺

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot!!

thank you for this wonderfully informative and thought-provoking video. When I was a young lad, what they taught us in school was so much less, it's a grand time for archeology these last couple of decades, so much new information.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! 😃

In my opinion, the basic aspect of the development in the fertile crescent were large herds of animals that were roaming the plains in a seasonal pattern during and after the ice age, migrating from the Euphrates to Egypt and back. So there were seasonal episodes when hunters were gathering to prey on these herds. In the times in between, they collected wild cereals, like some tribes still do in parts of Africa. In Anatolia near Göbekli Tepe, large structures made from low walls can be seen that were used to drive herds into traps. When the herds became scarce due to over-hunting, the idea of domestication was born. The herders started to immitate the migration patterns of the herds.

This is a fascinating concept, and the most logical explanation I have heard so far.

I'm a new subscriber and I must say I'm impressed with the presentation as well with the long list of references and credits in the description.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Welcome aboard! Thank you! I appreciate that my efforts are noticed.

Wonderful. Children are often the accidental discovers, that give adults ideas. P.S. Your voice is so coherent and lovely.

Thanks for another excellent video!

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

This is the first video I watched something from your channel. I have no real knowledge in your field but I found it quite intriguing and well put together. Thank you.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you 😊

I can see smaller groups following seasonal migration routes in the Younger-Dryas. Then, as conditions improved, populations expanded. Once that occurred, even as larger groups, they would move across large areas so as not to exhaust their resources. Eventually, domestication of plants and animals would have begun to maintain the population. Then they could settle in one area. Seems logical, but it’s a lot of speculation on my part. Probably a long and more complicated process. Thanks Laura!

@scottzema3103

5 ай бұрын

Conditions seemed fairly ice free in the Paleolithic in Egypt for instance or Mesopotamia or a lot of places in the Mediterranean. Means early agricultural and trading settlements settlements in these zones would have had a good head start over other areas. In fact many areas avoided the ice sheets altogether. Particularly coastal areas would have paid a later price in the flooding that occured after the end of the glacial maximum.

@barrywalser2384

5 ай бұрын

@@scottzema3103 I agree. Those areas certainly had a better climate, even in the Younger-Dryas. That head start may be why we find early stone structures there.

@floydriebe4755

5 ай бұрын

you said it, Barry! couldn't add a thing🤔 🎄 and 🎉🎆

@barrywalser2384

5 ай бұрын

@@floydriebe4755 Happy Holidays! 🎄🎉 I hope you enjoy your festivities. 🎅🏼

@floydriebe4755

5 ай бұрын

@@barrywalser2384 not quite yet but, soon🍻

Not only great democratisation of this knowledge , but always featuring some killer Saxophone too. Everything I need! Lol

Nice video, great researches, thank you very much Megalith Hunter!

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed!

Another fantastic video about GÖBEKLI TEPE!

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! 😊

GÖBEKLI TEPE is a very old place, not just because it was built long time ago, but because it was occupied for a very long time (a thousand years). What we see today is not a "picture in time" but an amalgamation and evolution of the site along a very long stretch of time. For example we see indications of habitation, both archaic circular dwelling as well as the more "modern" rectangular ones. During such stretch of time it probably has ritualistic value and habitations too. We also see the evolution of "religious" elements moving from communal houses into each private house (as common in later sites in the region). We have to consider such evolution, such overlapping in styles and functions in a time scale.

It seems there have always been caravans of traders in that area which would carry the knowledge of one area to another over vast distances . An example of today are the salt traders who travel hundreds of miles to sell and trade. Another thing is the " Silk Road ' that is very vast and no one really knows the age of it. So the idea that these areas were in communication with each other is not surprising at all . :O)

Excellent presentation. Keep up the good work.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! 😄

Wow! I said something similar about G.Tepi recently on YT. Of course it ‘disappeared’ from view 🙁.Us grandma’s opinions aren’t reqd it seems. Very interesting, thankyou xx

Minute 1.20 - nice map. In the oldest places there was probably enough heat to survive. People were actually starting to create civilization again, from scratch, not much was left of the previous one, only what was carved out of stone and rock (shelters, technological buildings).

Keep in mind that haplogroup H developed in the Anatoly area 12,000 bce. Haplogroup H, the original Neolithic Anatolian Cultivators. They farmed the area, created and settled communities developing subclade lineages of haplogroup H mt-DNA. The ancient ancestral migration routes of hominids went from East Africa fo the Anatolia area between the Black and Caspian seas. Eventually from these areas we get the emergence of modern humans. From hunter-gathers to cultivators, domesticating the landscape. From the ancient pluvial planes, our ancestors created terrestrial gardens with crops of domesticated grain.

Proximity to Mt. Ararat is interesting too. Makes one wonder

Good work 👍👍👍👍👍

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Great video

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thanks! 😃

The face from Nahal Ein Gev is carved in a similar style to the faces of the "giants" of Malta.

hi, Laura! humans have always been ramblers so, it makes sense that some of them would travel to other areas, looking for resources....finding other people already there could lead to conflict⚔ but, could lead to the exchange of ideas and trade, instead. those people were, essentially, the same as us, just a wee bit less advanced. which they made up for rather rapidly. domestication of plants and animals helped, immensely🌾🌾🐐🐎🐃 along with meeting new folks and ideas🤔🙃 thanks, my dear! always entertaining and informative👍 will be watching for more on this. Merry Christmas🎄 and Happy New year🎆 both 1sts for yer bairn😊

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Floyd!

The entire Black Desert of Jordan is packed with these circular structures tbf, zoom in just about anywhere and you will spot them.

Great work, thanks for sharing. Once again Graham Hancock talks about these things. As do many others. The symbolism on the older granite moai at Easter Island and how some of the iconography is eerily similar to Gobekli Tepe. Some ancient maya pictographs, etc. The more we learn the more we find out Humans are a much older civilization than the old paradigm of Mesopotamia is the cradle suggests. Just like we now know Clovis are not the original inhabitants of the America's and they didn't all come out of Siberia thru a ice free corridor that was never actually ice free. Just wish the paradigm defending establishment would let the newer dating techniques be used at places like the Sphinx, the Pyramids, Baalbek, Gigantia, Puma Punku, Machu Pichu, etc where moving and lifting the megalithic stones and attempting to get many dates under and between the megalithic stones and compare those to dates from the later stone work. I wonder what results that would give? I wonder what dates we would get under the colosus of memnon? Chris

@scottzema3103

5 ай бұрын

The early Americans traveled by sea as well as by land and indeed came through an ice-free corridor at some point in the Canadian arctic. An overall ridiculous theory for many reasons. This is a standard conspiracy-type theory of the sort that still after 150 years of science still raises its ugly head, mostly out of ignorance of available and developing scientific knowledge. Easter Island has zero to do with the base Neolithic. I think it is useless to try to tie ALL of Neolithic culture ALL over the world into one tidy Master Civilization bundle, this Master Civilization instructing all humanity to sophisticated culture. Humans acted independently in certain ways in developing culture, such as pyramids or artistic motifs, as the scientific evidence suggests. This is the problem with Hancock's theories and he won't let go despite all the evidence against it. He is running a race against a science that increasingly shows evidence against this idea of a world-wide foundational civilization which is not any sort of new idea but which reflects the less developed anthropological knowledge of history in centuries past. There are only two world wide civilizations, the base Neolithic culture and modern western civilization.

If you look east, you find 36 cities that were built underground. Scientist say they are only around 3-4,000 years old. Yet they have no evidence to back up these dates. If you read the writings from Zoroastrianism, they tell of a city build underground that matches the one in Turkey. These writing are at least 7,000 years old.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

I didn’t know there was a reference to them in Zoroastrianism. Thanks for that! Very intriguing.

Latest paper reports lot's of residence around the temple site.

very enjoyable, the study of this time period and subject matter is of much interest to me. it does seem that the snake, as on the video here and statue in Crete etc, do seem too represent a renewal, a rebirth as the snake sheds its skin etc. and this possible had a significant meaning the early farmer folk, as the seasons going thru their cycle of spring, summer, harvest and winter etc.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for watching :)

@BenSHammonds

5 ай бұрын

is sure my pleasure@@MegalithHunter

thank you.

Enjoyable video. Perhaps trade or regional warfare would have been the number one incentive for other than local travel. New cultural ideas would have been gradually disseminated regionally this way. This would explain as you say both similarities and differences in regional cultures. So the architecture of the early Neolithic seems derivative almost without special external cultural influences grown from scratch of assemblages of unscaled circular or elliptical dwellings (in the case of Catal Huyuk rectangular forms), almost like bees or wasps nests in response to a fundamental desire to gather in groups for social, sustenance or defensive purposes. Happened in the Paleolithic in certain areas like Malta in Ukraine, for example. Perhaps Megalithic structures are the most visible dramatic evidence of widespread cultural dissemination during the Neolithic, although the Maltese temples seem to reflect the earlier more ad hoc ideas of additive bubble shaped spaces as a fairly simple way of creating larger buildings. More sophisticated settlements from later Holocene times reveal more advanced or regionally idiosyncratic architectural monuments which followed. Given the nature of the world around people starting in the Paleolithic spiritual ideas would have logically derived from ancestor worship, fertility worship, animal worship, or warfare, assuming more sophisticated forms in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and elsewhere later in history. Star worship I think is debatable and has not been conclusively demonstrated in the Old World Neolithic, and any architectural efforts towards astronomical or precise solar orientation seem almost accidental (Stonehenge an exception). As an aside, pretty hard to shoehorn in Atlanteans or some superior civilization as the motivators and originators of civilized culture in the Neolithic Middle East. They should at least have had the courtesy to teach them how to make pottery and weave clothing!

@telebubba5527

5 ай бұрын

Mal'ta is not in Ukraine, but in Russia. Near Lake Baikal, 90 km northwest of Irkutsk. It seems to have been the 'starting point' from where the people who would later populate the America's came from. Also, does is seem to be the point where the later first agriculturists originated from. You may have been thinking about the mammoth houses that were found in Russia as well as Ukraine. The oldest one of those was built in Kostenki in the Voronezh Oblast, Russia and dates back to approximately 25,000 years ago.

@scottzema3103

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for that correction.@@telebubba5527

Nowadays it is accepted that Gobekli Tepe was a prepottery settlement not only a ritual place. The square buildings around the circular ones show evidences of permanent inhabitation. It is uncertain that the circular enclosures were temples or religious buildings. It is compatible to be a hunter gatherer and sedentary if you have storages.

It’s fairly interesting that all this happens after a global cataclysm where all the evidence is pointing towards comet impacts in the North American and European ice caps. Considering the environmental changes going on all over the world at that time the idea that these local people started to meet to share ideas, feast and reproduce doesn’t quite add up for me. I don’t think archaeologists are asking the why question enough and are not factoring the extreme climate changes affecting the whole world at that time. Regardless of believing in the comet impact hypothesis the ice core data shows incredible environmental changes all over the world. The fact these people started progressing during that period doesn’t get questioned enough.

Besides the similarities of cultural objects, there are lots of references of cultural practices in early writings. The practice of plastering skulls for the use in devination and fortune telling appears also in the story of Rachel, the second wife of Jacob hiding 'TRAFIM' - 'MAGIC' or 'DEVINATION'. Often archeologists look for answers in archeological materials, while they ignore the written answers in historical texts.

Surely, craft specialisation began with those individuals in any group of hominins who were, eg, exceptional at knapping flints into useful tools? This would have preceded agriculture by tens, if not hundreds, of millennia. The importance of not wasting scarce resources would have required the deliberate selection of those individuals with the greatest natural ability to carry out certain skilled tasks, of which flint knapping is only one example, to concentrate on specific roles in a clan, tribe or extended family from the earliest days of tool-making. I've said it before, but it's worth repeating, that the "experts" in various fields of human prehistory and even recent exploration have ever, and anon, underestimated the abilities and long-distance interactions of pre-modern peoples.

Interesting what the effects of Capitalism can be: Material, Human, Institutional, and, especially, Intellectual. A very nice channel. Thank you.

It is apparent that GT was not built by any common-culture practitioners of hunter-gathering, but by people who perpetuated and commonly practiced a much higher, mathematically predisposed skill-level of previously developed architectural accomplishment. The people who visited, resided and authoritatively directed at and around that community location were indeed special-chosen types. Their own personal education had been quite extensive ... as the megaliths left behind clearly emphasize.

The Neolithic Revolution started around 9000 BCE in the Fertile Crescent and simultaneously in the Zagros region, Southern Anatolia and the Levant. The most important aspect of the agricultural revolution was that humans gradually had more time for other pursuits instead of spending all day as hunter-gatherers in pursuit of meager food. With better nutrition humans developed their mind as well. It took several millennia for humans to then create civilizations specially in 4th millennium BCE.

is it a gazzelle or does it represent the age of the goat? does the circle go from age to age? is each one represented in its appropriate place? i think we're looking at it with the wrong eyes.

interesting.

so if it does represent the precession then where it stops is when it got buried.

I've come to the conclusion that 'style' travels whether a zig zag design on a wall or a distinctive arrowhead. If you see a design in Siberia similar to those seen among the Tlingit on the west coast of Canada, it's not an accidental similarity. On the otherhand, 'form', as with pyramids can emerge independently.

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I’ve been saying this a long time. The people living around all the piles of great stuff don’t value it because it’s everywhere. People far away don’t have any so they value the raw goods and turn it into useful items. Also they have their own stuff that is all over. Merchants bringing raw materials in trade for worked items that are instead highly valued several days walk away could be considered an important part of human co-operation. Also there is a great use of “agriculture” without what we consider today to be farming. To hunt animals you have to be where the animals are. Once you’re too old to chase mammoths and wholly rhino’s you try to figure out how to bring the prey closer to you. You notice deer and antelope taking risks to eat the heads off of wild heads of grain. You bring the heads of grain to a secret hunting place, rub the seed heads onto the ground, tamp them into the mud with your foot and wait to see if they come next year. Yes, your chances go up considerably if you cut down the grain that is away from your hunting spot before it’s ready to be eaten by the prey. Now it’s worth it for them to come to your secret spot. You kill the first deer and don’t go back so that all the deer remember it being a safe place to eat. It’s human nature to create opportunities in the mind. To envision a mental roadmap to profit.

@deanharris7149

5 ай бұрын

Having a bunch of old men making themselves useful by turning that highly prized super quality flint you bring into spearheads and such means the skills they can no longer personally make use of a merchant can trade for and bring them to hunting camps to trade for jerky and other valuable items.

How could you not show a single photo with the symbols of the renaissance?

I believe so, there’s a lot more yet to be decided but the concept of ‘the mistress of animals’ has more affinity with natural imagination than a male driven autocracy. As though people travelled there to be reminded of how to relearn knowledge of animals, seasons, times, and culture… A time of renewal whilst also charnel grounds.

@browsebig

5 ай бұрын

The domestic livestock farmed today have interesting originals. Cow -> Auroch -> India Sheep -> Mouflon -> Zagros Mountains Pig -> Boar -> Eurasian Steppe (Ukraine) Chicken -> red jungle fowl -> China None of these could have been domesticated in the Fertile Crescent without being led there. Was interesting to find out that domestication follows after taming and is only scientifically accurate when the captive livestock are genetically distinct from the counterparts in the wild.

🤔🤔🤔 ... Sometimes I wonder the reasons for those "displayed items" and their sudden or not destruction, with the main purpose to erase it from history. How many times did occurred ??? We need answers based on new time lines.

@telebubba5527

5 ай бұрын

In the case of Gobekli Tepe and all the other Tepes for that matter, they are all in an earthquake zone. The most recent devastating earthquake in Turkey was very close to that area. So it's very likely to have happened in the past as well, and I think there is more than enough evidence of it. There are a lot of 'repair' jobs done in ancient history. It might even be the ultimate reason why those places all were abandoned at a certain point. Because of a barrage of earthquakes, which made it impossible to sustain life there.

Being that GT is just one of a dozen or so sites that are now referred to as the Tas Tepeler culture in southeast Anatolia, the idea the the various sites had contact and interacted with one another is unremarkable. Long range travel, on any regular basis, seems unlikely, to me. The idea that artifacts and/or raw materials might have made their way, from one hand to the next, over a large distance wouldn't indicate any robust system of trade routes. Ideological concepts? Huh...

Coloured wrappings? This time of year? "Here Knut, I've got you a present. It's my great Nan" 😶 I wouldn't be surprised by extended chains of cultural and material trade. Thanks again.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

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@ASAS-dn4ve

3 ай бұрын

I have no doubts about extended cultural network not only because there are quite many similar sites, but because cave pictures and sculptures which are tens of thousands years older already show extended common culture of hunters and gatherers of Eurasia. Findings in Sungir show how rich and sophisticated people were long long ago from GT.

Finally! Archaeologists are studying more than flint chips. Maybe early humans did other stuff.

It was part of Slate Book

I think women invented agriculture, first creating small garden plots as a supplement to gathering, which gradually took over as a staple food source then became the only source.

I believe G T is a mimic of a far greater place but by no means to the same scale as the originator/originators had built far far way back in time this carefully buried complex was hidden from destruction so when eventually now discovered it will be compared like for like with the civilisation who gave inspiration to those who built G T......then the rest of the world followed suit but G T is the catalyst of the place it took it's knowledge from..put it this way...there is a place/places that resemble G T but on a greater scale that could throw us all way off track as to our beliefs in the scheme of all things.that we have been led to believe.by those who refuse to listen.

It is important to make the following note: Gobekly Tebe is a historical Syrian land occupied by Turkey … Turkish ppl got nothing to do with it … Turkish ppl homeland is next to Mongolia in Asia not in the middle east

Yes. The Taurid Meteor Stream was the causation of The Younger Dryas Impacts Theory / Fact which was the impetus of The Universal Festival of The Dead / The Ancient New Year , commemorating those who died in the event, which was right before the building of Gobekli Tepe. People from all around would gather when the Earth would cross the pre-perihelion which would have been a spectacular meteor storm every year, everybody would be well aware of it. It was a doom and gloom dirge of expectation of being clobbered again, then when it dissipated and the Sun was still rising it would be a Happy New Year. It is Halloween! The little kids even basically ask the same thing, will it be bad or good... The Taurids are the Halloween Fireballs. I find it hard to believe that educated people can not grasp this concept, it is verifiably true, if anyone would bother reading my work.

@chrisbricky7331

5 ай бұрын

List the titles of your work and where it can be found. Thanks, Chris

@steveperkins511

5 ай бұрын

Could you give a link to your written work? I would be very I interested to read about this

@fennynough6962

5 ай бұрын

Metorific events are now well documented, & their CRATERS, are unmistakable. Unfortunately the Yonger Dryas, are not even close to being when the last, Metorific, Megadisaster occurred. The Dinosaurs Metorific event was 65 Million years ago, & left a scar 100' of miles wide in the Yucatan. Not to mention a Worldwide boundary layer of sediment. Several other events like this have occurred, the last being 460,000 years ago.

@bardmadsen6956

5 ай бұрын

@@chrisbricky7331 There are two sites in the About, follow the avatar / icon, the orange sunset. From The Deep Ocean Above - Mankind's Unheeded Message To Itself

Humanity progressed from Göbekli Tepe to Myspace to Facebook in 12k years. But is that an improvement?

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

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I LOVE THIS (AFRICAN MIGRANT) HISTORY GREAT JOB !

The red ochre covered phalli and the clutched penis carving are quite interesting indeed. They can represent anything from fertility to astrological. Perhaps shooting stars? Cheers!

Is someone suggesting that there are modern hunter gather tribes that are also skilled stone masons? Skilled enough to quarry, dress, transport and erect GT like monumental structures?

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Haha no. From what I’ve read the ethnographic research is just about large social connections but hasn’t been able to explain massive construction projects during a time of foraging and hunting.

Impossible to know. They left no writing to tell us, so all we have is modern people trying to interpret the thinking process of ancient people.

i think i have an insight. the man with the handbag is aquarius the waterbearer. from that age. scorpion represents the age of scorpio as well. just like jesus represents peices the fish in the age of the saviour for the last 2000 plus years. its the clock on the cross of the precession of the equinox. we're in aquarius again. pushes it back a bit, eh? thanks.

Is that Neolithic jazz I hear?

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

😂

@stephennicolay1940

5 ай бұрын

Nice to see you have a sense of humour!

@telebubba5527

5 ай бұрын

Actually it's 'Mezzolithic'.

The artwork is a bit spooky.

of course it was a trade network, [not social network] what ya think, there was a city everyone avoided and stayed away from?

I see no issue in whether the Göbekli tepe was inhabited by sedentary agricultural people or hunter gatherers: the place might have been first settled by hunter gatherers, and the habitation zone came out later as their habits gradually changed. Also, we shouldn't stick to oversimplified schematism being a black and white view: even in the Bible (which for me as an atheist, is an excellent testimony of how the ancient people organized themselves), the story about Isaac's children, Jacob amd Esau, prove how these boundaries between agriculture and hunter-gathering worked: Jacob was a man of the field, right? How did it happen, when Isaac was a shepherd? And Esau was a hunter (the story was about selling his first born rights for a pot of red lentils, because as a hunter you might come from your hunt hungry and empty handed). They were one family, twins, and Isaac doesn't seem to order one son to become a farmer, while ordering Esau to hunt! It must had been their own inclination, and at those times, there seems to had been plenty of game in the woods and plains around their dwellings. At the same time, Isaac was a shepherd, and of course his sons helped him. And they all shared a same permanent dwelling. So one should expect the Göbekli tepe being a showcase of development of moving from dependency on hunting towards agriculture. Plus, becoming sedentary meant that men lost the hunter instincts and hunting perfection. Which meant a huge danger when another wild nation came in: they were able to overcome the farmer culture as they weren't handy with arms. I believe for this reason the hunting practices were important to keep, even on a lesser scale.

im mainly a history buff and an amateur at that and i dont focus on much besides war and advancements of technology but one thing stuck out to me the depictions of snakes reminds me of early to middle classical era of the same area had very large and a number of snake goddesses and gods a picture comes to mind i saw of a statuette of a woman with her chest bare holding a snake in each hand and she had i think snakes in her hair as well and if memory serves me right this was from either Babylon or Mesopotamia

If you follow it on a map, you can see how one family of farmers, ship builders, hunters, gatherers and their tools began from the top of Mt. Ararat in Turkey. They went down the southwestern side, out across the Mesopotamian Fertile Crescent to the site we know as Gobekli Tepe today. They built it, and that's where they brought all the animals they had with them in their ship which we know as the ark. They started farming and breeding animals at Gobekli, which slowly grew in size as it was used for hundreds of years.. They created Harran about 15 miles south of Gobekli, which became the port for their river/ocean voyages. Harran is a very famous location in the Bible and in the ancient world. The land travelers spread outward across the middle east, and also north and southward. The river/sea travelers used the Euphrates and Tigris to go out to the Gulf of Persia, where they traveled worldwide as their part of the project. Gobekli was used to breed mating pairs for the animals they had brought with them, which they then distributed around the world, both on land and carrying them by boat out across the world. They were very skilled craftsman, having spent 100 years building the ark, and knew how to make bronze which is why the bronze age happened before the iron age. As they traveled to various places exploring, they created stopping points which they used as outposts for travel to and from Gobekli. Over time, a network of these outposts were established. Generations were born during and on these travels/voyages, and grew up being involved in this task, the same way Noah's 3 sons were born during and grew up with the ark project. Those generations that were the river/sea travelers, continued that lifestyle after the task of Gobekli was finished, and were the origin of what became known as the sea peoples. The family lines of those 3 sons and their wives spread outward, and kept the connections with each other through those travel routes that had been worked out. This flourished for hundreds of years until the Babel incident, which shattered the unity that had existed up until that point. This is what caused the collapse of what is known as the bronze age. Due to being unable to communicate with one another on the same scale they had before Babel, a kind of dark ages occurred immediately after that, which lasted for a couple thousand years at least. It was that void of communication that eventually prompted the creation of a written language, which took the form of picture symbols, but by then a lot of knowledge had already been lost, especially metallurgy.

@inaz1984

5 ай бұрын

What a collection of unreferenced rubbish. That’s what happens when you put the bible as your only reference, you end up saying the nonsense that reconfirms your biases.

@markd3250

5 ай бұрын

@@inaz1984There's only so much you can put in a comment before it either gets censored and doesn't show up (which has happened), or you run into TL;DR syndrome. The above is simply a highly summarized brief. The only part that's from the Bible is the identification of Noah, his family, and that they started on top of Mt. Ararat in Turkey. Also that Noah had 3 sons, and the ark contained mating pairs of a large number of different animal types. That's about it. I've spent years piecing together the puzzle pieces to come up with what I summarized above. There are a lot of information references that cover sources and origins of various things that fit what I wrote, including the river and sea travels of Noah and his family. There's actually an interesting flow pattern of animal types throughout the world, and both Gobekli and Harran appear to be the ground zero starting point. Same thing with agriculture (farming; Noah was a farmer, wine-maker, shepherd and animal breeder), domesticating animals, hunting, use of flint and obsidian, mining, and metallurgy. I've tried posting things before, but there's either no interest, very few if any comments, or rubbish comments like yours. The Bible is an incredibly useful reference point to ancient history that it's foolish to ignore, just because of prejudices and bias against it or God, but it's equally a mistake to not include information found outside the Bible when studying history. They go together.

Hi! Well Yeah! (OK, I'll watch.)

Are you sure the reason for the begaining of farming grains wasn't for the production of BEER ??? I can't think of a better reason. The pyramids were paid for with beer and bread. It being made a currency, must be a good sign of it's longevity in society. I have been offered a case of Coors and a BIG fatty to help a friend move. See, priorities stem from frame of mind.😁😉

I personally cant believe this site was created by hunter gatherers.

göbdekli tepe was not a settlement of hunter and gatherers.look at pilar 1,the ,,snake,,pilar.on one side the zigzag arrowheaded eyeless vipers,on the other side a herd off womenheaded,like at the woman carving,eyeshowing herd off female sheep,with the big protective ram underneath,this is a site off sheepherding,cropgrowing ,all the year living farmers,open your eyes

Some say, Biblical Abraham came from what is now Turkey .

Anatolian neanderthals i presume...❤

GÖBEKLI TEPE is no 10.000 years old! Y.....! THE BIBLE TELLS me so! but loved ur The ETRUSCANS' Origins vid MH! John 1:3kjv

I have a hard time believing that hunter-gatherers could build complex megalithic structures like those at Gobekli Tepe. That kind of work would have required engineering, a division of labor, a large workforce, and permanent settlements. Gobekli Tepe was built by an advanced civilization, and I think it proves that agriculture began a lot earlier than previously thought.

@judewarner1536

5 ай бұрын

Firstly IMO Gobekli Tepe is not a complex structure. It may be relatively complicated but that's not the same thing. It almost certainly started as a very simple centre which grew by accretion, rebuilding and replacement. It does not require any understanding of complex engineering to place one stone on top of another, to prise said stones out of bedrock or carve crude, if recognisable, contemporary local animal shapes on roughly rectangular blocks. The building of significantly more complicated structures of western European medieval cathedrals was often accompanied by massive fatal collapses, about which one hears very little in standard histories and resulted from a crude but developing understanding of structural engineering, barely more advanced than seen in Ancient Greece and Rome. The examination of feasting remains at Gobekli Tepe shows only a range of local feral animals and plants, no domesticated species of either. That the builders were hunter-gatherers is not in question. Thus one of your fundamental beliefs falls at the first hurdle. The site of the pyramids of Giza and the even more ancient site of Stonehenge both show evidence of a large, semi-permant settlement that housed a probably constantly changing seasonal workforce involved in building, with a few permanent specialists. Evidence of feasting indicates domesticated animals and cereals at these historic and prehistoric sites. I believe that the archaeological remains of a similar semi-permant seasonal worker's settlement has been identified at Gobekli Tepe, but without evidence of domesticated food species. When you say "advanced civilisation"... advanced compared with what? What is needed is a " Goodenough-draw-a-civilisation test" that places cultures on at least a semi-objective scale by which their level can be estimated in comparison within the range of "scraping-by on carrion, grass seed & roots" to space-flight. In isolation, descriptions like "advanced" are unhelpful even in the still developing scientific context in which Archaeology sits.

@Alarix246

5 ай бұрын

I see no issue there: it started by hunter gatherers, and the habitation zone came out later as their habits gradually changed. Also, we shouldn't stick to oversimplified schematism being a black and white view: even in the Bible (which for me as an atheist is an excellent testimony of how the ancient people organized themselves), the story about Isaac's children, Jacob amd Esau, prove how these boundaries between agriculture and hunter-gathering worked: Jacob was a man of the field, right? And Esau was a hunter. It was one family, twins, and Isaac doesn't seem to order one son to become a farmer, while ordering Esau to hunt! It was their own inclination, and at those times there seems to had been plenty of game in the woods and plains around their dwellings. At the same time, Isaac was a shepherd, and of course his sons helped him. And they all shared a same permanent dwelling.

Try talking interested, rather than just wording a 100 words per minute. Become a storyteller, rather being research a student to think they hope to get a 1st degree.for a 65 to 70 % for a 1st. Managers are just statists. Leaders are the storytellers. See more...

Not Just in Hundreds Of Miles(km) Apart, But Decades To Hundreds, Of Years, Apart!! Change Though ,Far More ,Gradual Would ,Happen Naturally, In Part To Advancing Techniques But, Also, Individual/ Community Traditions , Current Beliefs AND Popular Regional Or Different Natural/ Environmental Conditions.. And Time Period/ Ethnic / Religious Diversity ,Within A Given Area !! IE Varied , Differences, Within Each Community!...🧐🤔 🙂

Thetes no acsidental genetic modification of crop grain for increased yield and resiliance! Thats wishfull thinking!

The comment below by @markbunge2457 on the settlement surrounding points to the need for a thorough critique of the interpretation given at the beginning of this video. The channel "Prehistoric Guys" has recent videos that emphasise the settlement's extent and the length of time associated with this neolithic culture. I think it can be dangerous to repeat interpretations without exploring their ideological agendas and looking at important alternative interpretations and conflicting evidence. The "religion lead to agriculture" idea and the "hierarchies equal civilisation" idea have been used by political conservative ideologies against historical materialist interpretations. I hope you will forgive the critical tone of this comment and let me say I always value your videos and the work you do.

Gobekli Tepi was a necropolis. The rectangular rooms at the back have small T-pillars in them. They were sacred places. They were store-rooms for the recently dead. Gobekli Tepe was a necropolis. (The basins were for ritual washing.) (Every Jewish tomb contained a basin.) The Near East is full of necropoli, from many different eras, and Gobekli is just a very early one. From time immemorial, people spent their money (time and energy) on temples and necropoli. They might live in mud-huts, but their sacred spaces would be of stone. And there are no bones at Gobekli, because in Eastern traditions the bones were gathered up and taken home. There are no bones in the nearby Harran and Edessan necropoli either (much later necropoli). R

Yes it was a cross between Oktoberfest and The bar scene from Star Wars.....🤣

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@will7its

5 ай бұрын

@@MegalithHunter Maybe some Game of Thrones too......😘

But that is way too obvious to have any common sense and logical doubt. The main question remains, WHOM they were, there is nothing but hypothesis based on parallel almost "cognitive bias" ancient environment. The challenge remains ... 🤞🤞🤞😉😉😉

This supports my own personal belief that social construction was probably the level up for homo sapiens vs neanderthal

Excellent, but please don’t gabble, slow down a bit (lot) It is impossible to take the information otherwise! Thanks.

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Ok, thanks

It'll be funny to see how your migration maps change when sites as old or older than Gobekli Tepe are acknowledged all over the globe, particularly in the Antarctic. Might want to let go of the "out of Africa" and "Middle Eastern Garden of Eden" myths before you get too much egg on your faces. 😉

Please stop teaching guesses as facts. Our ancient ancestors would probably be upset with the brush you paint them with. Besides there are cultures today that are still hunter/gatherers. Just because we didn't find their machines doesn't mean they didn't have any

Human reproduction 🎉 agreed 💯🤣💯 Believe that Pilgrims.

And this is Kurdistan not Turkey.

Not Göbeklite bu Girê Miraza or Xirabreşk. Gobeklitepe is fabricated name of Turkish (Ankara regime) invaders in Kurdistan.

Sounds like a trade network , not just in goods but ideas as well . Wishing you and your family a very Merry Christmas ! ❄️⛄🎅🦌🌨️✨🥶🧊☃️❤️💚🎁🎄

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Happy Christmas! I shall not be cooking this year so am excited for a rest 🎄🎉

Flintstone facebook?

@MegalithHunter

5 ай бұрын

Lol