I never played a game I so was happy to lose & lose & lose again. It’s brutally difficult, but so beautiful to watch unfold. Honestly I often set up forces and then drop down into a unit command and have fun with the pretty chaos 😹

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Oh you aren't the only one, WARNO is an exceptionally pretty game, so I do not blame you.

Im stupid excited for the new campaigns. Its a blast

The map editor will give this game a longer lifespan than the previous titles as long as maps don’t break with every other game patch and the maps are automatically downloaded from the steam workshop when joining a server with a custom map. I would love to see a “vote for ranked pool” option on custom maps so eugen see’s custom maps that are voted for to be included in ranked games. Then people can focus on super balanced maps for this segment of the game.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Yeah we have had a few chats about map making contests or something on WarYes, no idea if Eugen will be convinced of it. But plenty of games offer cash prizes for winners of map contests, Eugen get the rights to the maps to use them in the game and the creator gets some pennies. Hopefully they will consider that going forward.

I was very happy to hear about the future plans with DLCs, updates & opening up mod-ability (if the community did 1/1000th with that in comparison with what's been done with modding in Arma 3, it would still be fantastic leap forward & a years-long playability life-resuscitator for the Eugen gaming experience). Truth be told, I'd put Warno aside during most of the early access period, continuing to play Wargame Red Dragon instead (which I know and love), since all the changes got confusing & felt "not ready yet"...but I was optimistic about tomorrow's "ready" status. That tomorrow is soon arriving! But that means, I'll have to learn the 1.0 version from scratch. Almost like a person who'd only played Red Dragon, and just bought the game, I'm probably in need of a fresh tutorial & some "trial by fire" experience. It seems they wanted to change WARNO so each division felt unique w/distinct balance of strengths & lackings, instead of "perfect deck quest" & "don't even think about attempting that nation" aspects like in Red Dragon. I like that direction for multiplayer, not sure how it might constrict or be mitigated in 1v1 & singleplayer though. Finally, I'm just glad somebody at Eugen is trying to figure out better matchmaking.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

You should have a reasonable transition, as long as you don't come in expecting everything to play exactly like WRD the overall gameplay/mechanics are similar in many ways. 1v1 with the divisions is an interesting arena, it makes for very cautious picks and bans and indeed counter picks in the tournaments. Though the balance has continued to shift significantly during early access.

@trazyntheinfinite9895

Ай бұрын

Its steel division deck buikding. It was meh there, it meh here. But the actual gameplay flows well.

@peaceoutbruh7085

Ай бұрын

@@trazyntheinfinite9895 Well otherwise people just build a deck from the most meta units and nobody will use anything thats not the best.

What I don’t like in the Campaign is that the German battalions are still in peace time configuration. In peace time a PzGren Battalion only has PzGren. Same for the Panzer battalion tanks only no infantry, but in war time they are “Verstärkt Vermindert“ (reenforced diminished). One Compagnie of the PzGren will be swapped out for a tank Compagnie and the other way around. So the PzGren have tank support and the tanks PzGren support.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Afraid the whole military history stuff etc is a bit beyond me. You might be right, though Eugen like to claim they do their research.

@GeriatricBullFrog

Ай бұрын

Yeah, and for the campaign I'd prefer the 'balancing' be ditched in favor of actual performance. T55's do not shrug off center mass M829 hits.

A very thoughtful video - I like how measured your approach is, you're seeing the whole picture as well as all the little details (good, bad and the ugly). I think you're right - the most potential comes from the editor (maps and units) and the absolutely massive army general campaigns are frankly unique - no other game dev even comes close to such a detailed and grand scale representation of cold war gone hot battles. I would really love some additional features to come in like: customising supply between fuel/ammo/hp, smarter AI tac/AG, changing plane altitude/speed like in BA, better UI (e.g. whether a unit has smoke launchers), more than 3 weapons per unit card and so on. These kinds of QoL or 'small' features really add so much to the game. Tools like the LoS tool and pre-deployment orders are why I can't go back to Wargame or SD2 personally, WARNO should pursue those truly modern features, the huge range of content that SD2/Wargame has will come with time :)

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Firstly thanks :) glad you liked it. I agree and I think a lot of people would like to see more additional stuff, I am too still missing the options when it comes to the supply (aka Wargame style). I think the AI is just an ongoing project that they will keep updating as time goes on, its certainly getting more attention than it used to in Wargame. The team that work on it are without breaching NDA certainly taking an interest in feedback. Oh we need more weapons per unit card, when are my SAS getting their anti tank satchel charges, for back line stealth missions?!!?! Now I will just give the obligatory WRD fan opinion of all this QOL stuff is just a crutch, get some skills! :P

I have hope for warno. Nice video.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

You and me both! And thanks :)

As a offline warno player I’m super excited for new campaigns and future ones!

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I really hope they continue to expand on the types of missions, aka the operations and then find ways to roll these in to the campaigns too. More variety in objectives etc.

I bought the game for the solo gaming and now I found myself playing ranked and participating in tournaments etc.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

It's good that you found a new aspect of the game to enjoy :)

Army generals are why I play!

The hard part with niche multiplayer focused strategy games like WARNO is that the die-hard community that plays the game a lot tends to push out any newcomers. WARNO and Wargame never did much to appeal to a singleplayer crowd and as a strategy game it's too niche for casual groups of friends to play (including my own).

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Yeah it's very much a niche market, not sure they will ever change that. Though the games do actually appeal a lot to single player gamers (don't worry its a common misconception that they are mostly multiplayer), around 80% of RTS players in general play single player only and Eugen have confirmed this is about the same in their games. Even prior to the release of Bruderkreig there were a lot of players just playing skirmish in WARNO, which is always quite a surprise.

@KILOBify

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner I agree they appeal a lot for singleplayer, that's mostly how I play WARNO. But I don't feel it gets nearly enough attention.

5:23 Bandanner has Faith of the Heart confirmed

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I had to drop it in somewhere, though it will forever be the Enterprise intro song to me haha.

Thanks! Good video. I'm playing it from the beginning. I understand a lot of the critics in the community. But I really like the game. I think it got better and better. And a lot of good and cool stuff was added. But the changes in the meta were and are still a pain (I'm playing just a few games per month - got some really crushing defeats😂). I hope, that some AG's are small ones and I'm looking forward to new divisions. I think it's not Warn"over" ;-)

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Haha I think your summed it up pretty well. A two of the new AG's are smaller, its just two bigger ones. And I think based on response it will change how they make them in the expansions like Northag and Southag.

im just worried that in 6 months time they will patch the game which 'fixes' multiplayer but breaks the generals campaigns like it did in red dragon, eg. making the t55 a recon tank

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I think they are a bit more cautious about that now, unsure if it happened in SD2 at all. You make a fair point though with the balance being linked. But I hope they learned their lesson after they changed the balance and broke half the tutorials during early access haha. :P I suspect when it comes to changes like the T55 you mention they would just add a new variant of the vehicle for things like that now.

@thepolishnz

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner main issue is they finish the game then tweak the MP and completely forget that the single player game exists. i also want them to remake WG:EE and ALB in the Warno engine.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

@@thepolishnz I mean technically its the same engine, just with visual upgrades. So once more modding stuff is in its possible modders could code units to act the same as the old games. I can't see Eugen ever doing that themselves.

Warno is a masterpiece and this is only the beginning

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I am certain the Eugen team would enjoy the word masterpiece ;)

@rinopalumbo7192

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner In terms of kinematics, depth, realism and graphics I have never seen something like this, then I play with slow Mods which simulate real life as much as it should be in 1989 without those crazy speeds... and then it's only the beginning and the developers have a sea of ​​surprises in store and there is a desire to expand the conflict outside of West Germany and also implement variable weather conditions

@rinopalumbo7192

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner In terms of kinematics, depth, realism and graphics I have never seen something like this, then I play with slow mods which simulate real life as much as it should be in 1989 without those crazy speeds... and then it's only the beginning and the developers have a sea of ​​surprises in store and there is a desire to expand the conflict outside of West Germany and also implement variable weather conditions

Do you think that there will be a discount at launch? I’m very interested in the game but would rather buy it at a discount

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Very hard to say, its had several sales in the past where they have knocked 25% off, not sure if they will do that on launch I am afraid. I would keep an eye on it next week just before the launch as they were talking about offering discounts to early access buyers for the bigger edition, so they might discount the base game too.

Awesome!

Any news about the discount on golden edition

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Not yet, they added the DLCs as you may have seen but without pricing so far. I suspect we will find out after the weekend with a dev blog? as that will not be with us till next week I am told.

Tanks that get penetrated, keep going and only lose a few hitpoints really breaks immersion. Apart from that the game is great.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Yeah Wargame/WARNO were designed with hit points in mind for all units, rather than ultra realism. :)

@freshfresh5205

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner yet steel division 2 managed to hide that while still making virtually any penetration mean death. Steel Division 2 though had the advantage that it was believable to have tanks miss each other or richochet more before dealing any penetrating blows. Warno on the other hand deals with tank guns that miss rarely and thus hit and penetrate very fast. Since time to kill was so quick the devs made it longer by making each penetration at medium to long ranges highly unlikely to be a kill and in fact likely to need many shots before a kill. The tank lives as long as a steel division tank but each time I see a saclos missile defeat a tanks armor and not kill it I am always disappointed. It just seems strange for the crew not to at least bail out.

They need better tutorials missions, make game modes for beginners. I like watching the game, but I don't have the time or desire to learn a hyper complex game where you just suffer for 30 hours before being able to accomplish something. It's the reason Eugen games aren't that popular, they are about the hardest games to get into and not enjoyable until you get good, which may never happen when like me, you just throw it away like I did with Red Dragon when I started playing Total War instead. In Total War, you can make it extremely easy and take your time in the campaign, making it very forgiving and still enjoyable when you are a beginner.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I agree, while the tutorials are better in WARNO than they have perhaps had before it's still a very difficult game to get into for brand new players. And I wish they made more of an effort here. That said I don't think they would or should completely change the difficulty/complexity of the overall game as this is their niche of the market. But finding more ways to ease new people in would be beneficial.

@L1eutenantMaster

Ай бұрын

Agreed, for new players its just impossible to follow without shooting yourself all the time for the first 50hrs of the game at the very least. Mini campaigns (scenarios ?) with less units and smaller maps would already help a lot more. 30 units for each sides to take a city for example.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

@@L1eutenantMaster That's not a bad suggestion, sort of like a mini version of the operations, to go between the tutorial and the existing operations.

@L1eutenantMaster

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner Yeah, you slowly introduce the player to more and more features through scripted missions. They dont need to do a lot really from a technical side, main issue is they need a lot of new players to gather feedback what need to be introduced in what order and how. Beside that, even the community could do it with custom maps and divisions to restrict the player and learn step by step how to play the game.

@MichaelDavis-mk4me

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner No, I don't want an simpler game, the charm of the realism / authenticity is there. It's just the learning part that needs to be better. I think the game design is great, it should just be easier to get into. As was mentioned, a game mode with a very small map, very few units that are introduced gradually would help. In Red Dragon at least, there was no easy scenario, they just threw the entire Soviet horde at you in a scenario where you are on the backfoot, then gave you an army mix of three different nations then told you good luck with that. If they make that, the game could go mainstream, as KZreadrs could casually start the game offline without too much hassle.

Wtf, you were living at this place?

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I used to live in Darmstadt (not during the cold war though HA)

@MrCalhoun556

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner It's funny. I spent about a decade there. The least I would have expected would have been you having lived there at some point in time. I suppose it was a study/work related occassion for you then?

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

@@MrCalhoun556 Haha no, my ex got a job at Merck. It's a well known place because of that company, a have a few friends from elsewhere that had friends/family live there at some point.

@MrCalhoun556

Ай бұрын

@@Bandanner Merck would have been my second guess, though family-wise I would have rather put my bet on your parents than your ex. :-) I am a bit of a local of that entire South-Western Rhein-Main area, so it is lovely to see that Eugen Systems took the effort in replicating it to some degree. Though, I suppose they also partly butchered it. By the way, also a big fan of the classic C&C games.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

@@MrCalhoun556 then you should go post a comment agreeing with me that RA2 is the best ;)

They better fix UK div balancing. Great vid

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

I mean.... ideally they would fix all divs balancing haha, not just my precious UK. But I know what you mean ;)

@mikhailfilitov1479

Ай бұрын

You know it's mainly a meme right? UK divs have a lot of strong units, and at almost all stages of the game they've been 'good to great'. Not as insanely OP as 82nd Airborne has been but the same with say, 39-ya. They have always been solid/good but not insanely OP or trash. No one ever complains about 39-ya! UK suffers is 85% meme 15% justified complaint about an error/bad balancing choice of devs.

Wargame>>Warno

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

Most certainly in some areas!

WARNO is a cool and mostly good game. And DLCs might be cool. Though it always feels like WARNO is missing so many unit mechanics (E.G; Inf.Smokes, Plane low fly, debuff tanks abilities in deep woods, proper airborne drops, etc.) When Broken Arrow finally releases, WARNO might struggle to keep players. I'll be one of those WARNO players jumping ship to BA.

@johnnypemail

Ай бұрын

traitor lol

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

You know what's funny, while a lot of us will play BA too and some like yourself move there. I actually think weirdly the popularity of BA will introduce more people to WARNO, because a lot of people simply don't know WARNO exists. We already noticed it a little during the beta for BA. And since both games provide a different experience (talking a bout scale, unit control etc etc) I still think there is room for both. I do also wish Eugen had added stuff like airborne drops etc though, it was talked about very early on at EA release but was never mentioned again, then forward deployment appeared.

@armiiniius

Ай бұрын

@Bandanner good points too. I definitely see BA players being intro to WARNO. Won't permanently put the game down but it's just those mix feelz for her. I mean airborne drops wouldve been nice. T_T

It's over.... Warno is finished.

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

(Insert laughing gif here) - sometimes only a gif can truly express my response :P

When i saw Red Dragon first tim i thought, what a beautiful game is it. When i look at WARNO, it looks like shit. From art direction and graphics point of view

@Bandanner

Ай бұрын

You think WARNO is not nice to look at? An unusual viewpoint but fair enough.

@KILOBify

Ай бұрын

I'm surprised that you think there's much of a difference aside from the environments (east asia vs. europe)