Needs more AI melee rats so that the Ubersreik 5 don’t just all take sniper characters every match and dunk on the specials

@drygon9324

5 ай бұрын

that can be solved with an ability for the player controlled specials to spawn a group of skavenslaves, the number should be tested.

@orangemafia9128

5 ай бұрын

I think they don't want thp generation to be too plentiful. They had hoards at launch but got rid of them because thp generation negated the damage specials were doing.

@martinlysy

5 ай бұрын

@@drygon9324 Good idea

@xenophon5354

5 ай бұрын

@@orangemafia9128 Seems like upping player controlled damage would work. Specials wipe teams on legend and cata even with large hordes for THP. Not having large hordes makes things hard for pack rats especially

@orangemafia9128

5 ай бұрын

@@xenophon5354 Yes, but those specials are predictable and act on programming that is definitely not comparable to player-controlled enemies. Specials that do high dmg, have lots of cover and support, and can think and coordinate would wipe the floor with U5.

>screaming bell the more things change the more they stay the same

@Gongen

5 ай бұрын

Nostalgic loading in and seeing that fr

I can’t believe it’s actually happening. I thought once darktide came out there was no chance.

Verses looks like it needs additional specials and a higher number of chat enemies so that the opposing players don’t get picked off right away

@dramaticmudderer5208

5 ай бұрын

I'm sure that will happen, this is just a test though, so they can test basic functionality balance wise,(specials vs humans)

@hanshaperle6075

5 ай бұрын

Pretty sure, they dont play on Cataclysm

@DixieSchizo

4 ай бұрын

They can't add trash mobs because it's just free THP This mode was a pointless addition

@Max-ql7nn

4 ай бұрын

having fun is not a pointless addition - not everything we do in life is about optimisation and progression@@DixieSchizo

@DixieSchizo

4 ай бұрын

@@Max-ql7nn it's not fun

Looks awesome, but I'd love it if Elites/Melee Specials (Chaos Warriors, Stormvermin, Plague Monks, Berserkers, Butchers/Big Axe Norscans, Bestigors) were playable, I think it'd be awesome to punch out Kerilians as a Chaos Warrior.

@DiemosT113

4 ай бұрын

I guess they haven’t because then they would have to facilitate melee interaction between players which could be hard, but I agree I can’t wait to play when it’s more ironed out

The rats need at the minimum more hp and the heroes need an aoe spawn denial area around them. Also, maybe the rats should be able to spawn skavenslaves hordes to generate fodder.

@ThatGuyInTheBack007

4 ай бұрын

During the test it was LOS(line of sight) and slight area of denial for spawn denial, and yea there definitely needed to be more hordes generated.

@drygon9324

4 ай бұрын

@@ThatGuyInTheBack007 Yeah, I managed to get into the test as well for the last two days. Still, when I made the first comment I did not know about the area denial but it still ended up being too short. I killed the heroes well enough spawning close to them as a flame rat.

i just hope this mode has the option to invite 7 friends and do a custom game

I can definitely appreciate the addition of '(Saltzpyre): Pinged a Healing Draught' in the text chat. So many teammates are deaf to regular audio pings. That and pinging a waypoint in the world to look/move to, and an 'Acknowledged' response if you ping someone else's mark. Just like Darktide, it seems. I hope those quality of life improvements make it into Campaign mode too.

@sp2345

5 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking as well, after playing Darktide I really liked these small notions of being able to ping something and even responding to it amoung other things. Even if versus won't be a huge success, maybe it could at least enhance the campaign a bit.

I just got to play this today and my first impressions are: -Gas rat is way too OP, he can easily deny revives, objectives, and just be a general nuisance. -Flamer rat is terrible, doesn't have any range and can easily be dealt with. -Gunner rat is mid, I think they should buff his damage a smidge. -Assassin and hook rat are great where they are -Really hope we get to play the leech and the storm mage, I think those would be really fun to play as.

@hoanqlonk4042

5 ай бұрын

Gas rat is basically Spitter from L4D but faster reload speed, being almost useless when alone but able to team wipe if he has good supports.

Honesty pretty much vermintide 2 base experience. The problem is the difficulty, it is basically the easiest difficulty setting. If it atleast was at the veteran/champion. Then it would be perfect in my opinion. The biggest problem i see is that the human side can just steam roll. There are no Patrols, no Chaos Warriors, no shielded enemies. So yeah, make the overall AI enemies better.

Imagine Darktide Versus...

@MOTHMAN_y0

5 ай бұрын

Awful. Player power is insane in Darktide. You'd need some insanely fast spawntimes, and a lot of mixed horde constantly barring down.

@martinlysy

5 ай бұрын

I think the reason for this is also that they will add it into darktide.

@friendlyhobo6483

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@MOTHMAN_y0At the highest level of Darktide difficulty waves of mixed hordes are normal. All it takes is 1 good ambush as a trapper player to wipe out the entire team.

@GameFuMaster

5 ай бұрын

@@MOTHMAN_y0 everyone is demon host

@DixieSchizo

4 ай бұрын

​@MOTHMAN_y0 it would make more sense than Vermintide. Why would you ever add a verses mode when THP makes the U5 impossible to kill

It needs massive balancing tweaks. Ammo and health/healing in the forefront. The biggest problem I see is that unlike L4D, in Vermintide the special get one-shot all the time, which is really not fun for the players using them. There's also a lack of fast desablers, the assassin is the only special capable to shut down another player quickly, the hook rat is too big and slow compared to the Jockey despite filling the same function. The lack of a more tanky unit (like the Charger) also poses problems as the rats have nothing even mildly resilient to engage with. Not being able to use the bosses is a bit desapointing.

Huh, this is not really looking like a fun time for the rat side against decent players

@bruhman3649

5 ай бұрын

To be fair though, you can tell these rat players aren’t really decent players lmao. I can definitely see how the rattling gunner is kind of weak, but the gutter runner is definitely strong and combined with the globadier, is almost broken. You just have to play right and with the team, just like l4d versus. It’s no different

@bruhman3649

5 ай бұрын

To add on, I think if they add super armor to all rats except for the gutter runner, and allow the globadier to suicide bomb himself, this game mode would be almost entirely balanced

@JondarKorric

5 ай бұрын

just wait until the Left 4 Dead players show up

@McSquire

5 ай бұрын

@@bruhman3649 yeah I agree, it’s way too early to tell, people need to learn how to play and learn combos/setups. Also learning the maps because positioning can make or break an attack.

@sulphuric_glue4468

5 ай бұрын

People don't know how to play yet and nobody should expect an alpha version of the gamemode to be well-balanced yet

Looks very cool! Hopefully they keep working on it and add more stuff to it! Simple things like stat trackers for rats and a scoring system that shows even little stuff you do through badges(like done a succesfull pounce or direct hit with a globe) can really help the rat side feel more exciting and rewarding even after each death that doesnt result in direct takedowns.

I wonder if it’ll just be specials or if we’d ever see Elites or maybe even Monsters? It’d be dope to play as a Chaos Warrior

@marvinradermacher5781

29 күн бұрын

your wish be granted, now theres bile trolls

I can see the rats will need some strong teamplay and proper use of the different types in synergy.

2 elves in a single team? Sigmar have mercy....

@khelgarironfist3301

5 ай бұрын

If there is one thing i hate more than an elf, it's 2 elves!

@BadyearOakarus

5 ай бұрын

honestly considering the excuse used to justify the different careers, i'm kinda surprised they have a number limit for a character. i think they could further justify it by just saying chaos interference is getting worse, maybe have unique (VERY LIMITED) dialogue depending on team composition, like make a krubersreich 5 (or 4) reference with all of the krubers joining in

@Gongen

5 ай бұрын

Lmao yea I was too sleepy to even process that properly

@trollman8888

5 ай бұрын

just imagine all the team kills

i think this mode its gonna become the next weaves

@tifoonlegit5768

5 ай бұрын

I'd like to have hope that it's good, but I think it's little too late. Unless they add crossplay, the matchmaking is gonna be dead within a few weeks. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt Versus will bring back many players

@prich0382

5 ай бұрын

@@tifoonlegit5768 Only way to add crossplay is to unify the games, console is different, such as all enemies besides bosses have more base health on console by 4.5%

@DixieSchizo

4 ай бұрын

​@@prich0382 why? Does console have lower enemy counts?

@prich0382

4 ай бұрын

@@DixieSchizo Vermintide on console originally came out on XBOX ONE and PS4, they have really weak CPU'S, which is why it runs at 30 fps, but also the lower enemy count on each difficult, in compensation, enemy base health (before difficulty multipliers) is slightly increased. While the increase in Health is relatively easy to work out, the decrease in enemy count is a lot more difficult.

I think the Rats need to be able to take control of a versus specific Chaos Warrior that can charge to help create opportunities

Takes me back to left 4 dead. You really needed to coordinate as the infected to kill the survivors because we were weaker than them... except for the tank. It looks like it won't be that different from back then, except I won't be able to jump off the walls with the assassin.

Looks good for a closed alpha. Hope they add the rest of the specials and berserkers. Surely will try versus when it comes out of beta.

rats should have some abilities too or builds, like gas rat : more radius but less damage or more damage but less radius, or just the standart. Another idea the more safe zones players get more hp and damage rats do

can't wait for this to be in darktide too

what's the ost at 21:00 and forward? never heard it b4

Finally a video of this

Hell yeah

More!!

This kind of game modes are extremely hard to balance in order to make them fun and fair for both sides - but I daresay they laid a solid foundation.

idk about this one. Maybe specials should have talents like the uber 5? Unless the heroes don't have their talents.

I like it :D can't way to fuck some people up as Skaven!

Круто! Игры с ассиметричными противоборствующими сторонами это всегда очень интересно. В свое время с удовольствием играл в Nosgoth. Жаль, что разработчики не смогли реализовать его в полноценный проект, надеюсь здесь такого не случится.

I love it ❤

This looks like a lot of fun. Maybe a little balancing in favor of the specials though

I hope they make stormvermin and plague monks playable

Seems heavily skewed in U5s favor, getting hit once and dying instantly doesnt seem like a lot of fun to me.

@bardinlegoret9552

5 ай бұрын

Left for dead all over again

Looks cool. Imagine spawning as storm vermin or slave rat 😝

Looks cool but is this something that's being added to the game or sold separately? If we have to pay for this I don't picture many people buying it to produce a large enough player basis.

This is amazing but I want to play a stormvermin. Let me GET IN THERE with a shield or glaive!

@fleshdadbot6852

4 ай бұрын

What you need my good sir is a CHAOS WARRIOR! shout and impose an unstoppable demise upon the foolish southlanders as you CLEAVE them in twain!

Thought it whould be sword fight using the old system but this is cool

I love seeing people finally talk about what ive been saying for years, vs mode will not favor the pact sworn in any way and it will heavily lean towards the heroes. This playtest as well only has level 1 heroes with default gear, imagine when it drops and players with all reds hop on? Also the current difficulty in VS mode is veteran which is another bit in which would balance towards the heroes, the vs game modes difficulty needs to be champion at the lowest or legend at the highest since that is what the player base plays on the most and give the pactsworn a chance.

Reminds me of “what the fuck am I playing? The victim?”

Just wondering but are the dlc characters curdently not allowed to be played at versus mode?

@Gongen

5 ай бұрын

That is the case atm

@skreechverminking2227

5 ай бұрын

Thx for the replay

Can't say for certain, but anyone else think this could do with a hero ammo reduction so the heroes with range have to prioritize a little more?

Easy way how to make it ,,more fair,, more hords. Hords are acually only way how to slow them down so you as a special can deal some damage.

@Az-ecim

4 ай бұрын

On the opposite, hordes make heroes spam temporary hp. A lot of it, so spec dmg become useless, especially globa's

player controlled rats need at least 2x hp, maybe faster reloads on a few as well

Elites, monsters and chaos specials needed. Also specials should have melee attacks.

I hope we cam eventually control chaos warriors

Do you not own the DLC or are can you not select DLC heroes?

@Gongen

5 ай бұрын

I own all but sienna's, can't select unfortunately

@Dogmum5

4 ай бұрын

@@GongenDid you get access to necromancer’s weapons?

@Gongen

4 ай бұрын

@@Dogmum5 I'm sorry, I don't remember. I assume once the actual mode comes out you'll be able to access it.

Could be a cool idea to control a small pack of rat in a 3rd person instead on controlling one rat say you get to control 5 storm vermin they must stay huddle together and you can instruct them to charge and attack a chosen hero or who ever is nearest now it would be light work for any hero to easily take down a pack of storm vermin with relative ease cause of training and pathing but when you get a person to control some key rats and put them into favorable positions could be neat blend of gameplay with pov mixed in with the other rats

@Shadow_-sx2nt

4 ай бұрын

Also who wants to control just one shield rat?

Imagine getting to play as a Chaos Spawn

32:44 clean play on out of position Witch Hunter

Some L4D2 Versus tactics stilll aplies

main problem i see is if your range skaven you go down in like one hit! cause seems like they don't have any melee up front but the packmaster and still thats not much so you can't really do much SETUP TIME! cause if your a gattling or fire bat your pretty much the front line. and i don't think giving them more HP would be a good idea for free what needs to happen is there needs to be chaos warriors and some more armored units and clearly a rat tank or something that can give the range some setup time.

Complete shame it's not coming to console. 1500 hours on PS5 with friends, 4 hours on PC playing with mods. Absolute waste

This strongly reminds me of dead space versus matches, too bad vermintide 2 is not supported on steam deck, i want to play it so bad.

Damn, they really need to put this in Warhammer 40K Darktide... So much Left 4 Dead vibes

They finally realize why l4d2 was the goat

remind me of versus in l4d2

These specials def not as strong as left 4 dead specials but man does this look like fun. Hopefully you get to play as a rat troll or other monsters when they spawn just the tanks in L4D

35:14 Nice

2:27 Hey, is that Richard Cranium that same that plays World of Warships?

Burn burn man things

Are they going to add the Lifeleech, Blightstormer and Boss as playable characters because I expected that as a minimum. Looks great though but you need 3 incap units and the game only has 2 right now which is weird. The entire point of this mode is being bale to simultaneously incap 3 players and the 4th has to save them while dealing with a ranged unit or a pest like character from L4D2 like the boomer. I personally think they need to add something like a boomer to the game and should bring back the bomb carrier variant but make sure they can't spawn close to players.

what was the difficulty ?

new music?

Well guess im downloading Vermintide again.

epic but i think the game needs buffs to the shade class

Looks pretty good only what 5 years too late?

Not sure what I expected, seems a bit of a drag as a mode

how are the rats supposed to win this

@peterfoy6045

4 ай бұрын

They are not meant to, the team that plays as rats need to stall them long enough from achieving objectives so the attacking team get's less points.

they really need to go with that FANmade one its way better look and looks like it would be more fun for both sides! the skaven and choas should have some passives etc....! the fanmade one looks better and more fun to do!. i REALLY REALLY LIKE this idea from warhammer but THEY really need to buff the pvp killers/bad guys up! every person should be able to have one item on them a amulet that skaven or chaos can wear this amulets either give 20% reduce range damage!, 20% reduce melee damage or 10% reduce everything, however headshots DO not get their damage reduced.

open alpha?

@Gongen

4 ай бұрын

This was closed, I'm not sure what they're gonna do next

I wonder what veterans would play like?

Yeah i think versus would work better with Darktide.

Just ratties for now? No Blightstormers or Life Leeches?

Dud dis loks like left for dead dud dat loks cool it is de same live vs badasss dud

what difficulty is this?

@khelgarironfist3301

5 ай бұрын

Something easy

@someone_c4a9b

5 ай бұрын

that's a bit of shame but hey it could change at some point i hope that their gonna add a option for difficulty to chose for host or vote for entire lobby

@bruhman3649

5 ай бұрын

@@someone_c4a9b The other guys is retarded, don’t listen to him. There is no difficult for versus, it’s one set difficulty, this was said on the dev’s reddit faq about versus

This is going to screw up cooperative play, the normal game mode. The characters are going to end up getting nerfed and/or the rats will be buffed, and the people that have no interest in versus gameplay are going to be really irritated.

@Tube_Chaser

5 ай бұрын

The modes won't share balance between them

@wesleyking6713

5 ай бұрын

@@Tube_Chaser None of the equipment, qualities, or talents in coop will be modified on the basis of changes they want in versus? Or any of the properties of the adds?

@ToxicSoul03

4 ай бұрын

stay mad

Im not a fan of the 2 rounds. I'd prefer if versus was part of the campaign instead where people can stay on their heroes while skavens get to stay skaven

So... Just play L4D2? Cause right now from watching this that's how I immediately feel. There's a weird disconnect I feel in having players sit on objectives for points though, you should just run through the level tbh and even with that I do find it odd how much it holds your hand with showing markers and points as you go? Hmmm... Even the scoreboard seems like it could do with work. Biggest feeling so far though is WHERE is all the normal rats to make plays off of? It is very empty at the moment. Hp for the specials seems honestly fine, its the lack of common trash to cause issues for the other team that feels more so the issue. Though with that being said at least you ACTUALLY go through the level - unlike back 4 blood...

People are saying rats need more hp, rats need more incap characters, rats need more fodder. Pardon my French, but this is bullshit. The game seems to function just as intended. This really has the general feel of L4D versus. With all this stuff added it would be impossible for heroes. People will than say yeah, but with higher skill hero players the heroes will have an even easier time, but people will also learn to play skaven better and to better coordinate attacks. It seems to be really fine. Hope devs don't take such doofus comments into too much regard. Edit: I'll concede that the globardier needs the suicide skill and that flame rat seems to be garbage. I guess mini bosses will be playable at some point, but still, constantly spawning 4 specials while there is a tank around is pretty messed up in the right hands.

Wow, this looks kinda bad. they really need to rebalance this so the rat players have a fair chance. Most of this is getting sniped.

@itzPlebeian

5 ай бұрын

I mean the rat players aren’t working together 😭 if they just coordinated even slightly they could probably easily wipe the heroes every time

you've pretty clearly not played Left 4 Dead. you should be using the Gutter Runner like a Hunter and the Poison Wind Globadier like a Spitter.

@The_Scug

5 ай бұрын

Can you elaborate for us cretins who haven't played.

@phenix6056

5 ай бұрын

chill 😭

@rema0126

5 ай бұрын

Youve clearly not been outside for quite some time

@LuLingqi101

4 ай бұрын

Have you tried employment?

best game ever

Looks too hard for vermin. I’ll wait. Heroes seem drastically more OP

I can’t believe devs gave this time.