Small Correction - the Terraforming mission can only be done outside of yuor deployment zone. Thanks for the correction on that one!

@CloudBorne

29 күн бұрын

You should pin this so people don't keep pestering you about it. XD

@shanebox9516

28 күн бұрын

And you can only do the Terraform action on an objective that hasn't been terraformed already. Stipulated under the Units section. They can only target an objective that hasn't been terraformed. And at the end of the action segment, it says on a success that marker is now terraformed.

@albertofrankdiaz6664

28 күн бұрын

hope you do a video about precision rule, if i declare all attacks to go to the hero, and that die with half of the attacks, the rest is gone? or go to the bodyguards? many people argue about this, the rule is not clear

@jessicalacasse6205

28 күн бұрын

we all know that when you can t produce enough you need new product ...lmfao

At this point I am 75% certain that Auspex is Servitor hired by Games Workshop to spread information in timely and easy to digest manner.

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

Maybe he is an early man of gold, commanded to plot out potential futures for the emperor of men?

@ethanduncan1646

29 күн бұрын

GW is too incompetent to make such a good decision lol

@saintmayhem9873

29 күн бұрын

Hired? Servitors don't get paid.

@BigPumpie-tf7tq

28 күн бұрын

He meant deployed​@@saintmayhem9873

@lelandmartin3970

28 күн бұрын

nah they wouldn't program him to speak out in any negative way. Unless those are just old memories that burst out of him occasionally through moments of clarity.

Can I just say that I love your presentation style. It's so easy on the eyes and ears. No flashing animations or click baiting ADHD KZread. I thank you

@saintmayhem9873

28 күн бұрын

Truly one of the best bits of insight AT has had is not putting minecraft parkour loops or GTA race loops in the video. I'm so glad he hasn't done that.

@LordNerfherder

28 күн бұрын

Using ADHD for this negative topic is unnecessary. The "sensationalizing" and blatant lies often used to draw people in and flagrant use of colours is made to draw in "normal" people and made by "normal" people. They studied your brain and figured this is how to trick you best. Seems to work due to it being the winning strategy over the last few decade. Though i absolutely despise it for what it is.

@morewarhammer

28 күн бұрын

Agree with this comment so much.

Mordian Glory has been running 240+ Tyranid bugs lately, and the basic strategy is to dominate the primary for the first 4 turns, but basically always get tabled by the end of the game. That mission where you have to destroy or shatter all the enemy units would actually almost be a hard counter to this strategy.

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

If you manage to stop him from (a) going above 40 primaries and/or out do him on secondaries. But yes, it could generally allow you to catch up on primaries to make it out as winner.

@zombiesue1054

29 күн бұрын

For what it's worth, when MG ran it at a tournament, he held two out of three opponents to less than 50 total points at the end of the game, so, yeah, it's a strong strategy to prevent your opponent from scoring primary.

Auspex: you missed the restriction under Terraforming that it must be outside your deployment zone.

Secret Objectives - wonder if the GW designers happen to be PoorHammer Horde Mode fans?

@keyanklupacs6333

29 күн бұрын

The delay that comes having these products designed, produced and shipped means these would have been designed too far back to have been shipped now if they had taken a page out of their book. Hopefully in the future though they definately have some great ideas.

@subterraneandirtybomb

28 күн бұрын

Secret Objectives are a thing from other TT games too, the ASOIAF Miniatures game has them and they’re really fun

@Vodahmien

28 күн бұрын

They would of copy right struck poor hammer first if they wanted to steal their idea.

@professor_paladin

28 күн бұрын

Could someone link the PoorHammer video where this is discussed? It sounds cool to look into!

@jamiehutber9754

28 күн бұрын

What on earth is PoorHammer lol

Love that we're getting a battleline emphasis like raise the banners. Battle line is core in lore I like when they're relevant. Very excited

@piotrjeske4599

29 күн бұрын

It is not very good for armies with battle lines you don't want to take or who are not worth to take.

@BloodBuffalo

29 күн бұрын

@piotrjeske4599 ....obviously. that's the point of making them more relevant. It's warhammer not hero hammer. That's literally the point to encourage taking them.

@Whoknows21356

29 күн бұрын

@@BloodBuffaloI think you’re missing the point of what he said. For most factions their battleline sucks

@mouthwide0pen

29 күн бұрын

​@piotrjeske4599 I can't think of many that have this issue.

@mouthwide0pen

29 күн бұрын

I think it's mostly nice, but I think there are several detachments for armies that discourage battleline that this makes worse.

When GW said they were considering rules changes for Admech this isn’t what I expected…

@AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th

28 күн бұрын

One of these days I’ll be given a reason to paint my toaster boys

@DeathInTheSnow

27 күн бұрын

Me either. I was hoping for some much-needed points decreases.

If battleline are getting buffed than it’s just another reason to run War Dog spam over big knights

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

My guess is that wardog spam will stay till CK gets a codex, the codex may offer a 50/50 chance (GW also may want to sell some big knights by then).

@timunderbakke8756

29 күн бұрын

War dog spam isn’t going away anyway until the big knights have something going for them, and I say this as someone who stubbornly would never take a list without some big guys

@Swampert919

29 күн бұрын

Only way war dog spam is ever going away short of a full faction overhaul is if they force you to take a certain amount of big knights (like removing the character keyword from stalkers so your warlord has to be a big knight)… these rules changes literally can’t make the situation worse in the grand scheme of things.

@lassemelson5668

28 күн бұрын

@@Swampert919 hoping for an overhaul where servitors or other infantry could be added as support

@bestnameever1850

28 күн бұрын

War Dogs spam is less about the big nights not being good enough and more about just how much more efficient the small dogs are They could straight up minus one toughness to all war dogs give a toughness to all big nights and not even let War Dogs assess their army rules but due to the nature of the game that wouldn't be enough because War Dogs let you do so much more than a big night

A lot of mental gymnastics to avoid a Force Organization Chart.

@GeoffSmites

28 күн бұрын

Yeah, i was happy that it went away, but now i see why it was there. Battleline means nothing now. Just underpowered troops that take up points that valuable meta units could be taking. I feel like all non BL troops need 0cp or something. Or the FOC.

@humbertoharo6840

28 күн бұрын

They could just add a requirement of 2 battleline units to the current army building rules.

@jamiehutber9754

28 күн бұрын

I'm extremely pleased we don't have the force organisation chart tbf!! Well played GW

@DeathInTheSnow

27 күн бұрын

@@humbertoharo6840 Yeah! To go with the mandatory HQ unit we already have to take, and the preset of three of each unit type, aaaaand... why does this sound so familiar?

@alarak2159

27 күн бұрын

@@jamiehutber9754 You are the minority.

What a *nice* amount of cards

@scevvin7788

29 күн бұрын

That'll be obsolete after a month because of updates GW push lol

@dimitrisperdikouris2029

29 күн бұрын

Who's gonna tell him 💀

@Duppyman695

29 күн бұрын

@@scevvin7788 Yeah, completely obsolete. high cost for a months worth of play and as Winters said "We, the players can create better missions"

@Raevyn01

29 күн бұрын

Nice

@ondururagittandeska2004

29 күн бұрын

Very Nice

Black Templar battle lines yum yum

Every edition they do this battleline buff lmao, you'd think they'd just reintroduce the force org chart at some point. I guess you can't sell those.

@TheMysticshroom

28 күн бұрын

Don't give them ideas...lol

@Randicore

28 күн бұрын

It's almost like a force org chart is a really useful thing to have for balance. Seems they keep forgetting that lesson.

7:47 Prepare for the Dread Mob's 50 grots from reserves turn 1!

@MrMeltdown

28 күн бұрын

Those grits will be angrier since they don’t have tanks anymore…

@ca11rl77

28 күн бұрын

Yeah I'm just going to refuse to play against orks. They are stupid good now

I’ve bought these scenario cards 3 times before… no way. I’m done with that. It should be free in the form of a random table.

@jimmysmith2249

28 күн бұрын

Agreed. More money-grubbing from gw.

@TheRealDeadRock

28 күн бұрын

Same. Got campaign books from 9th that I have literally never gotten to use.

@d-rex7043

28 күн бұрын

A deck of cards is a random table. One card is one entry in the random table. You don't need cards. Cards look nice.

If battleline becomes more of a thing, more detachments need to give battleline to whatever units they focus on, or make them count as battleline for missions.

@mouthwide0pen

29 күн бұрын

TBF, GW have been doing this more as of late. Orks have Gretchin in Dread Mob, Custodes technically have Prosecutors in NMV but nobodys running NMV for a myriad of reasons, Dark Angels get Outriders in the Ravenwing detachment, and CSM get Traitor Guardsmen in the Chaos Cult detachment. SM, Nids, Admech and Crons can get fucked though.

@captainweekend5276

28 күн бұрын

I'm not sure they could do that without making a bunch of detachments broken since making a unit battleline also increases its OC by 1 and allows you to take 6 of that unit rather than 3, a lot of detachments are not built for those units to be good objective squatters and be taken in double the amount. Lists will change around the new rules and it will just mean some detachments will be not as strong anymore, but that has always been the case. I don't think we need more additional battleline with detachments since it then defeats the point of giving rules that incentivize the actual battleline units, it's pointless to make changes that favour battleline if you're then just going to turn units into battleline in the detachments where they're strongest.

@cooljoe500

28 күн бұрын

why not play the regular battleline?

Secret missions are pretty cool. Nice to see some battleline love too

Perfect timing! My Guardsman Spam and Cultist Spam lists stand ready.

I hope this does improve the scoring mechanics. The Gambit was a cool idea but the possibility was just too remote. However, I can see the competitive sector being upset by Secret Missions, maybe.

@lassemelson5668

28 күн бұрын

not really the tournament organizers will just not allow them

@Knights_Oath

26 күн бұрын

They need to have Secret Missions for comp. It could give struggling armies the ability to compete.

Rapid Escalation sounds fun. I play with a lot of Heavy Intercessors, and 200 pts is a whole 10 man squad. That's 30 wounds of T6 armor move blocking someone hard.

@palwinderdhillon8242

28 күн бұрын

T6 space marines lmfao is that what 40k is now?

@TheLongVigil

28 күн бұрын

@@palwinderdhillon8242 You must not have been around for a long time. Gravis Armor came out in 8th edition I believe, for Primaris? Gravis units are T6, and expensive as all hell compared to normal T4 dudes. They have one Battle line unit in the Heavy Intercessors, 200 pts for 10 man, vs the 160 pts for a normal 10 man of T4 intercessors.

@WilhelmScreamer

28 күн бұрын

​​@@palwinderdhillon8242terminators got nudged to t5 so gravis got bumped to 6 in order to preserve their niche

I hope this means factions with unreleased codices are getting more battleline units. For example sororitas only have battle sisters, which you really don’t want to run that many of them.

@rightben59

29 күн бұрын

"which you really don’t want to run that many of them." - speak for yourself lol. I love them

@brandonr42

29 күн бұрын

With the exception of Orks and maybe another I'm not thinking of, nobody really wants to run that many of their BL troops right now. And by 'that many' as a Space Marine player, I mean 'None'.

@matthewaustin1366

29 күн бұрын

As a tyranid unending swarm player, I’m really excited about it!

@timmccrthy

29 күн бұрын

Tau, orks, death guard, custodes, thousand sons, csm, necron immortals, Imp and chaos knights, grey knights all have solid battle line right now.

@cloudydiamont8534

29 күн бұрын

Do you hear that?thats the sound of 60 berserkers and there rinos, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

Terraform is an interesting one, since it looks like only the first person to actually terraform the unit can get those bonus points for the rest of the game(probably why you can't do it on your home objective and why the opponent has the chance to stop it). So once someone's terraformed a objective the other person can't.

The battleline focus is great and all, but I fear it's going to be horribly unfair in a lot matchups, especially with Green Tide already looking strong.

@paranelmanterlyzastratatum885

28 күн бұрын

I mean yeah, but the wider meta is pretty vehicle-heavy, so it makes sense to give more value to battleline and general horde.

@AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th

28 күн бұрын

Armigar/wardog spam is going to get worse

Would be nice to see a few tertiary units get the battleline keyword based on this.. for example, my inner circle DA force doesnt have any intercessors, but i do have scouts and infiltrators.

im down for secret missions... that way the opponent cannot voluntarily counter it

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

Imo the look more promising: (a) the secrecy gives them a better chance, (b) they hand out less points, but (c) still allow for playing the main objectives (aka not killing the game), with a decent disadvantage of capping primaries at 40. Sounds like an ok blend of creating new opportunities without completely hosing the player who is in the lead.

@mouthwide0pen

29 күн бұрын

They could still try to figure out what you were up to. But you could also feign one while aiming for another. There's more depth to it.

As a custodes we have..one battleline unit unless we use a meme detachment.

@wormhistoryhour5

28 күн бұрын

most armies have one battleline unit

@humbertoharo6840

28 күн бұрын

​@@wormhistoryhour5completely false, only like 5 armies at the most have only 1 battleline unit, most have 2, and a few have more.

@benberkebile2773

28 күн бұрын

Lol they really dropped battleline from prosecutors just to give it to them with the worst detachment in the game

I can't wait to 3' Deepstrike my necron Warlord on my opponents home objective for 20VP.

@braedonmcphedran6668

28 күн бұрын

But that's the only 20 you'll get on primary

@maxmagnus377

28 күн бұрын

@@braedonmcphedran6668 I don't think that's what the ruling said. Paraphrasing: You can only score up to 20 on the main primary mission if you do the secret missions. So those 20 + the 20 you could get from the secret mission. Also, that total (40) is less than what you could potentially score if you maxed out regular primary, probably precisely for the reason on rules interactions like Hypercrypt being able to pop the warlord on the enemy's home objective in turn 5, which would be especially potent when going second.

@toastle8005

28 күн бұрын

That’s what they get for being organic.

OC0 being locked out of action also would play nice with battleshock rules, so that would be a good change.

@robbiepeacocke2465

28 күн бұрын

Poor nids if that happens. Biovores and deep striking ripper swarms are the only thing keeping them close to 45%

@WilhelmScreamer

28 күн бұрын

@@robbiepeacocke2465 good riddance, get them something that has them win while playing the game

GW usually only shows stuff three months in advance at most. Meaning this should come before August 15th - so that assumption "around the time of the next balance update" could be right on point.

If battleline gets buffed looks like GW will be nerfing Green Tide into the ground immediately after getting ork players to buy 120 boyz.

I'm a big fan of these secret missions. I feel like there are some interesting options if you focus on your secondaries and sandbag on primary a bit- I will definitely aim to try getting Magnus in an opponent's deployment zone for at least one game.

@AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th

28 күн бұрын

Did they just steel Poor Hammers homework

Notably, the Terraforming action is only on objectives not within your own deployment zone. That said, this all looks like an exciting shakeup!

My intercessors (both assault and normal) are very pleased by this

Lol its taking you like seconds after the announcement to make a video about.. Neat!

GW: "Don't worry, we're not going to make people buy a book for rules updates and competitive missions anymore" Also GW: "You'll have to buy card decks instead. Fuck you, pay us"

@WilhelmScreamer

29 күн бұрын

That line was about crusade and narrative books. Where you had things like armies of renown locked away

@Duppyman695

29 күн бұрын

@chaosmike89th Couldn't of said it better myself!

@timunderbakke8756

29 күн бұрын

You are ripping their comment out of the context they provided it. They said you do not have to buy narrative books just to get access to rules for the standard game. This was an issue for 9th, as rules for the imperial agents was only in a short run book that went OOP and then they had the special army rules to staple on top of other armies etc.

@Klierowski

29 күн бұрын

Yeah they are fucking pathentic, I won't buy it.

@chaosmike89th

29 күн бұрын

@@timunderbakke8756 Still feels scummy to charge people for competitive rules and updates.

"Might be a chance to stop OC0 units doing all the secondaries if they want to." I genuinely hope for this. As a 'Nid player it means that our winrate would plummet even further than it already has, and then they would have to make a sincere effort to *correctly* rebalance the faction rather than just veiled nerfs and a shrug of the shoulders. It'd be the most I'd looked forward to summat for my 'Nids since I started playing using the Leviathan box set.

@EliteDarkAssassin

29 күн бұрын

Yes yes yes! I don't own a biovore, I don't want to own a biovore. I have 2 squads of 3 raveners that I know I'm crippling myself for not using a biovore. I think rippers will still be useful for screening but I always feel bad that a bunch of mindless maggots can score points. Let our army get awful so GW can fix it properly.

@AAw3s0m3

29 күн бұрын

@@EliteDarkAssassin thing is I printed one recently 'cause I actually quite like both the new model and shooting profile, and hope they undo the doubling of the points cost just 'cause it's part of our most essential cheese strat with the mines, which should be a situational play rather than the "autoinclude 1 to have a chance to win" bullshittery. Raveners look neat too, but aye their profiles aren't it. Gonna print it's bigger brother instead to use situationally/to scare the crap out of my mates who ain't seen one yet.

@robbiepeacocke2465

28 күн бұрын

Biovore will need a big points cut if they do this!

@AAw3s0m3

28 күн бұрын

@@robbiepeacocke2465 all the more reason to do it if ya ask me: I quite like the shooting profile and then using the mines situationally, rather than autoincluding just one to be meta viable.

@Snaek1

27 күн бұрын

if OC0 units cant do secondaries theyll literally be useless. no damage, no defence, no holding objectives, barely any screening. theyll just be deleted from the game and yet another model everyone has to put on the shelf forever

hoping against hope they introduce a way to make more units battleline (give certain leaders "if this is your warlord X unit becomes battleline", like scions?) which will be able to make killa kans battleline in dread mobs so i can run 36 of them completely legally

I have a feeling that OC-0 units are going to be prevented from doing actions in this new mission season with this focus on battleline.

@FiannaBat

29 күн бұрын

suddenly, tyranids drop to 12% winrate!

@lassemelson5668

28 күн бұрын

@@FiannaBat ck will take a hit too

@remliel1675

27 күн бұрын

​@@FiannaBat More reason for GW to buff them. But who am i kidding, them will take away the 0OC bs and make battleshock even worse.

A reason you might want to use the unbroken wall secret mission is if you're behind on primary, like say 0-10 points or something, so then if you can capture the points you can score primary AND the secret mission. It could be possible to go from 0 Primary to 40. Not likely though, though there is now some amount of bluffing you can do since your opponent might expect you to not go for the objectives since you chose a secret mission, and maybe pulls back a bit to protect some units and then you capture the objectives and gain those 20 points. Depends a lot on the playstate.

@auspextactics did you notice as well on the community page, the photo next to "Terraforming" shows an Inquisitor, Imperial Agents and Death watch, seems almost like they are sneakily confirming these as one codex id say.

I wonder if this will give outsized benefits to detachments which grant additional battleline units. The cultist detachment in CSM or the Ravenwing detachment for DA for example. Outriders might not be useful enough to justify their cost on their own, but if they can do bonus actions, then it might be worth taking a few small units now.

@ca11rl77

28 күн бұрын

I hope so. Hh already does that

This caught my attention quickly

Would be more ok with the Battleline emphasis if they weren't so stingy with what gets Battleline. My Tau army pretty much relies on Kroot infantry to fill that font line troop role... But Kroot don't have Battleline outside of their specific detachment, so I'm forced to use "Strike teams 🤮" or invest a bunch of points into Breachers if I want to use the updates???

@tyr7876

28 күн бұрын

Strike teams are pretty decent now that they're 20 point cheaper than breachers and got suppression as their special rule instead of better overwatch.

@lewispatton6550

27 күн бұрын

@@tyr7876 I'll have to disagree with you. They are worse at objective play than kroot, they don't do the damage like breachers, and are still expensive compared to infantry of other factions. Just because breachers are more expensive, doesn't make strike teams better. It just means you make cuts elsewhere in list building to run the breachers. "Suppression" is cute, but not worth 80 points to run a slow infantry unit that can only threaten the meekest of guardsmen.

@tyr7876

27 күн бұрын

@@lewispatton6550 Meh, I run em to great succes. Longer range and same as every infantry choice they do fuckall damage. Only difference beingbthese guys have a utility capable of makeing a unit hit substantially less shots than normal. In some cases, like orks, you can outright make a unit hit half as often as it otherwise would. Its excellent protection for weak ass tau units who evaporate under any firepower because t'au didn't get the toughness boost every single other faction got.

@tyr7876

27 күн бұрын

@@lewispatton6550 Also given kroot synergize less with the faction rules and only save 5 points, plus the recent teasers for missions that encorage the battle line keyword on infantry. Strike team is much more bang for your buck.

@lewispatton6550

27 күн бұрын

@@tyr7876 true ... Or you could pay 20 more points to have the breachers wipe the squad of orks instead of making them "hit half as often"

Command insertion will be great for the 10 terminators with captain in terminator armour I run

Battleline going to be important? Illuminor Szeras is eatin' GOOD

Laughs in Armiger

Im pretty much out of 40k now but I do love Auspexes videos

Battleline units are usually "weak" units compared to all other units on the table. Allow battleline units to do mission actions and still be able to shoot will encourage more battleline units in lists.

I think the potential of the latter two secret missions is underappreciated. I have tabled my opponents and still lost, on numerous occassions. Tyranids, world eaters and orks have all played my very front heavy. When they loose pressure, they collapse and I table them. By that time however, they have kept me off primaries for so long that I cant catch up. This has happened in numerous games where I am second player. Secret missions sees very usable from a second player perspective. Especially to overcome enemy rush and delay tactics..

I personally would much rather gw made battleline datasheets stand up on their own merits rather than use missions to penalise you for not using these subpar units.

Really looking forward to this! I love the card deck. Role on Pariah season 😁🎲🎲

I'm guessing it would be wishful thinking to see a re-release of the Indomitus box set? New mission deck looks really interesting, thanks for the breakdown!

Green tide is going to be insane with this

What are those tanks behind the “Marked for death” card? The left looks like an immolator, but the one on the right? 13:00

happy battleline is becoming important.

The new Marked For Death looks like it can be abused against Grey Knights; their whole mechanic is pickup/putdown and would give their opponent max points immediately RAW currently.

Hello Mr Tactics, will there be an army lists and tactics for new csm detachments (or will that be once points are announced)

Boy am I looking forward to guard getting nerfed into the ground after a tournament cycle if the new objectives will focus battleline

On the card for Marked for Death it mentiones removing from battlefield for any reason. So putting a marked unit into transport, or putting them into reserves would count towards achieving the secondary, right?

@MrShukaku1991

29 күн бұрын

Yep, he mentions that in the video.

@GreatWhiteWhale

28 күн бұрын

​@@MrShukaku1991yep you're right. That's what I get for skimming the video while at work

Sure would be nice if Knights got a mission more favoring them. We/They do not typically have enough units for half of the missions

GREEN TIDE will get from really good to awesome with all the battleline buffs

@ca11rl77

28 күн бұрын

If I face 120 of them. I will immediately forfeit. I like to have fun

@Silverdragon83X

28 күн бұрын

@@ca11rl77I clearly would not play Green Tide in nice casual games, but lots of 40k gamers are playing competetive, so they have to handle it!

@ca11rl77

28 күн бұрын

@Silverdragon83X minimum requirement for me is to have fun. Green tide does not seem fun to face so I'd rather forfeit and waste my opponents time out of spite

I'm all for new missions periodically, but the change I really want to see is the removal of Power Level. Sorry, "free wargear."

I really like the secret mission idea and that is so many points. Can really messup your opponents idea of what you are playing, or why you re doing the tactics you want.

Gasp! Will this finally help fix Admech?!

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

No.

@AlsadsajsAlsadsajs-vl7th

28 күн бұрын

If by fix Admech you mean everyone else gets worse faster than we do then, yes?

@dirkechoes1377

27 күн бұрын

HAHA- no

Where the secret missions are great are for armies that just generally struggle to keep units alive on multiple objectives throughout 5 turns. By taking unbroken wall, for example, not only do you need to control fewer objectives to max the 20, you can keep more of your army safer to kill your opponent off objectives and to be available to hold the 3 at the end.

@WilhelmScreamer

29 күн бұрын

The other 3 secret objectives offer options for forces you can't spread out. With a need to either put your opponent on their deathbed or to firce your way into their deployment zone. These are more compatible with more armies than the gambits which all needed you to have lots of units left. Its a hail marry play to catch up as opposed to your primary wincon.

@Saieden

28 күн бұрын

@@WilhelmScreamer I think you can absolutely play for it in the right matchups. Think hypercrypt or grey knights against an army with only one to three Battleline. That's a pretty easy 40 points primary that frees up a lot more units to score secondaries.

But I just bought leviathan… dang it

@SnowFoxWithAGasMask

29 күн бұрын

Idk you can skill play with it if you play casually. Probs my favorite mission pack of all time for now.

@RaiderX7997

29 күн бұрын

Do we think this will replace them for the tournaments though. I haven’t played in one yet but I would like to soon

@SnowFoxWithAGasMask

29 күн бұрын

@@RaiderX7997 yes after it launches I believe their will be maybe a couple of tournament played with the old leviathan mission pack but then it will shift. Don’t take my word for it tho; I’m mostly a casual player who is only interested in competitive to see if my armies are doing good competitively.

@RSBurgener

29 күн бұрын

My guess is that major tournaments will adopt the new deck, just maybe not right away. They do tend to stay up to date, just so long as it's conditions are drafted *after* the release of the update.

Thank you Auspex for the videos. It doesnt get said enough

So Leviathan Deck is no longer usable? Or you can have both mission decks and choose wichever you want to play?

@shadowmancy9183

28 күн бұрын

The latter- a tournament could run either deck, and you and your friends can really do whatever you want with them. Leviathan missions with Pariah secondaries/secret missions is definitely fair game for casual play.

Of course. 2 weeks after I actually buy the Leviathan Mission Deck lol

@stalordinator287

28 күн бұрын

Same

@AnotherViewBot

10 күн бұрын

Doesn't stop you from still using it, and this probably won't drop till august.

Just the fear of drawing Servo Skulls being removed will be great. I only played it once and every time it's drawn we veto it but still I just want it gone.

As a chaos knight player who runs wardog spam this battle line buff is great

Oh something else to chew on, that's not directly related to the new missions but the photos used: the one of Imperial Agents that, aside from the Imperial Henchmen, further in the back they're backed up by...Deathwatch marines. Hrm.

Will get released, least impactful options will get picked by AOW or ITC people will play them over and over on identical tables as thats the mission pack for an random event they are going to some time in the future. Tables will remain dire L shaped ruins.

Would be nice if terminators got battleline in Inner Circle Task Force, but no, let’s force a 34% army to take units that won’t work with their detachment.

@TsundeReaper989

29 күн бұрын

Yeah, I was gonna do a full Deathwing army but this info is deff putting a damper on it

@riptide3340

29 күн бұрын

yeah, I started playing Warhammer relatively recently, and I felt like half the units in the Necron codex could be considered battleline in terms of function. I’m sure there’s a balancing reason for it, but I’m hoping we’d get a few more units that could count.

@mouthwide0pen

29 күн бұрын

​​@@riptide3340The issue is Battleline also means "something you can run 6 of", so if armies whos core units are already good get battleline on it, you'll start seeing Cron lists with like 6 max size squads of Lokhusts. This is both an incredibly uninteresting way to play the game causing for bland lists, and also bullshit to own.

@majorearl12

28 күн бұрын

I have a Deathwing Command squad, Deathwing Termie squad, and 2 Deathwing Knight squads. I have not run all of it since the beginning of 10th. Its just not worth it, and my plan to run a Deathwing Command at 10 models, with a Captain in Termie armor, and a Strikemaster is now shredded, so ive chosen to do a Deathwatch Veteran spam instead for memes.

They still need to fix Battleshock. So many armies use it as a core mechanic, and it's downright useless.

Secret missions spund at first like a decent option in team games. That 20 points could bring a loss to a draw in those landslide games

Custodes can’t use a 5-model guard squad for rapid deployment for a 2k game. They can’t use any at 1k. It’s just funny at this point.

@aidonpor8211

29 күн бұрын

Yeah the only option would be to use a 4-model squad without a character, which would probably get blasted.

@davidgantenbein9362

29 күн бұрын

Then it’s time for you to play Null Maidens /s

@piotrjeske4599

29 күн бұрын

That is what happens when you have a codex designed for the game stats 6-9 months ago. Means that with a 6 months rules update cycle , by the time GW "notices" a problem they are in the second year of an edition, and by then they practicaly only think about the next edition for already released armies.

@Swampert919

28 күн бұрын

You would have access to imperial agents that have their own battleline options. Alternatively if you are playing custodes and are playing a friendly game you can just ask to have that mission rule removed from the pool (and most tournaments pick specific mission rules to keep the game as balanced as possible, honestly kinda doubt they’ll use rapid deployment given it benefits some factions more than others). EDIT: The other option is just accept your highly elite army isn’t gonna be able to utilise the mission rule if you pull it and try to adapt the best you can… there’ll always be best and worse case scenarios for mission rules for every faction.

Anything that means more battleline I think is a good thing. As they really don't have to be played at all currently. I know many that don't play any and just use tanks and monsters.

this sounds alot more fun than the current deck ngl

How would it be possible, for custodies?

So the pariah Nexus box is the new legal one? Or can you just play whatever you want? This is like the latest edition of missions?

@WilhelmScreamer

29 күн бұрын

The deck is a few months out and will become the primary form of matched play when it drops. You still have the leviathan one if you want to use it.

Green Tide might be really good with these missons

mine field is mortals on an advance roll of a 6.

Rather new here. Do you think it likely that this will be accompanied by something similar to the Leviathan Box but for necrons-admech? 🤔

@maxmagnus377

28 күн бұрын

I doubt it. Usually those 2-faction boxes are reserved for the start of an edition. Plus they will ALWAYS have one of the armies be Marines, without fail. And probably most importantly are huuuge value over buying the kits separately, and we all know GW hates giving us freebies.

Can you do a video on the price increase, not just mini but games like Space Marine going up to 60usd for seemingly no reason.

I'm super excited for this update, old missions were getting stale and smaller units were getting pushed out of the meta because of the strength toughness maths

Pweh does Rapid Escalation even have the 9 inch distance rule? because otherwise this makes turn 1 charges stupendously easy. This is especially good for something like Green Tide to just clog up some enemies.

Im new. So are ALL these rules for the core? do i have to have these

Add a comment...😢 Update the Deathwatch ☠

@decksthor6790

28 күн бұрын

Battlelines think about.

My issue with 10th wasn't the core rules. Its the codex rules and release structure.

I really like this change and am looking forward to it. This feels better than “buy a mission book that doesn’t change a ton” every quarter like 9th edition

These all look dead exciting and I can't wait to freshen up my games with them. The current decks were very serviceable and still are, but after as many games as I've played, it's very welcome to get something new.

Some times? Lol! Thanks for the update!

Thanks for the awesome reporting. Would love for these new rules to be free. One can dream anyway. Updates seem good though.

So my retaliation cadre is boned then? Stealth suits/crisis battleline please gw?

@Snaek1

27 күн бұрын

nuh uh gw hates tau (wtf did they give us 3 detachments??)

@AnotherViewBot

10 күн бұрын

​@@Snaek1Yeah that was honestly crazy to see.

Anything to make swarm Tyranids the correct way to play is a positive

One of the only saving graces of 10th ed was that you don’t need to take battleline units. I guess they need to make more money…

Laughs in pure infantry guard

Why did I just get this notification? How did I miss a video for 4 whole days?

Damn this is odd, might just buy the pack and use the scret missions and some cards from levithan