I like the Stock speaker

Speaker comparisons are tough with new speakers as each will change tone as they break in with playing. All new speakers sound crisp and trebly until their surrounds soften up with use.

The green beret was my fav but actually followed by the OG speaker in close second. killer video dude!

@AmbientEndeavors

Жыл бұрын

Totally! I honestly agree. I think the Green Beret and ET10 brought some cool textures, specifically in the dirty tones, but I was impressed with the pairing of the stock speaker. Turns out it was well-matched to this amp.

The metal cage is fitted for the amp to be compliant with CE and UKCA. Hot tubes are classified as a hazard also, direct access to the tube sockets, if amp is on, is also a hazard with the user potentially being exposed to lethal high voltage. That is why nearly all amp manufacturers are having to provide some physical protection around tubes now.

@AmbientEndeavors

3 ай бұрын

ah! That makes a ton of sense - thanks for the info.

The Green Beret has a hi fi sound - adds depth and dimension. Celestion 10-30 is number 2.

Incredible.... huge difference between the speakers....

@AmbientEndeavors

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! Did you have a favorite?

Dang, the exact amp that I was considering swapping the speaker out of! Incredible timing. 🙌

@AmbientEndeavors

Жыл бұрын

Oh right on! How does this affect your thinking!?

@tctrio

11 ай бұрын

@@AmbientEndeavors It reinforces that swapping the Ten 30 is a great idea. 🤣 I actually was leaning toward the ET10, but I'm a little surprised at how boxy it sounds compared to the other two IMO. I was inbetween the WGS ET10 and the Jupiter 10SC, but the Green Beret was my favorite of these, so that may have to be the one to consider against the Jupiter.

Damn this was so fun to watch!!! 🚬🥃🎚️📻🎵🧲🫀👍

And yet there're still people who believe a speaker is a speaker is a speaker. When we were kids we'd find the rattiest stereo speakers we could find at the pawn shop down the street and put them in our ratty old amps, just to see what it would take to blow one out, lol. Got a lot of great tones out of a few of them before they died. Great comparisons!

These speakers are made in a tiny town in KY where I live.. wild!

@AmbientEndeavors

Жыл бұрын

Paducah! I was through there on tour years back, nice little town :)

What a difference! Of the WGS speakers I preferred the Green Beret, but really liked the Celestion a lot as well, between those two it's very close for me.

@AmbientEndeavors

Жыл бұрын

That's kind of where I arrived too, to be honest. I'm leaning Green Beret after the whole experiment, mainly because I like the driven tones a bit better. More full/rich breakup. And the cleans are close, but there is a nice texture to the GB that adds something interesting to both clean and dirty.

@ElyRiverBlues

11 ай бұрын

That's what my ears told me as well. I'm keeping the original speaker in mine - it's very well suited to the amp, which it should be tbh!

@christopherquine

6 ай бұрын

@@AmbientEndeavors Awesome comparison. I like the GB too. Was it 4 ohm?

@AmbientEndeavors

6 ай бұрын

@@christopherquine yes, all were 4 ohm to match the amps load req. Thanks for watching!

@ver251209

5 ай бұрын

Same

Lovely! Thanks for the comparison. I modded my VCR to run a 5881 at 8ohm 10watts with bigger output transformer and in my quest for the right 10” 8ohm speaker I ended up back and happy with an 8ohm Ten 30. I dig the sound of that green beret though, might have to give that a go at some point.

@AmbientEndeavors

10 ай бұрын

Very cool! I’ll have to look into that mod. I arrived at the green beret because I slightly preferred its breakup sounds, but the stock speaker sure holds its own!

The most important part of any rig is the least considered part… the speaker. I know most of us, myself included, find it more fun to try new amps, pedals and guitars, but changing the speaker will get you the most drastic results.

Each speaker was drastically different to my ears. I liked the stock speaker the best.. but with that said the WGS speakers sound new/stiff/unbroken-in.. I think all the speakers will sound even better once their very nicely broken in and smooth out a bit… Also, I wonder how different combinations of those speakers would sound in a 2x12 cab?

@AmbientEndeavors

10 ай бұрын

Both great points. The stock speaker does have a good 10+ hr head start, and I agree it holds its own! I committed to the green beret and might have to do a follow up after I’ve broken it in a bit more.

Great video. Your playing is wonderful. To my ears the AlNiCo speaker sounds more musical and exciting than the two WGS ceramics. The tone is sweeter and your playing sounded more dynamic, almost like a blanket had been taken off the amp. By far my favorite. The stock Celestion sounded pretty good to me, and I like it better than the two WGS ceramics. Maybe not surprisingly I put a WGS AlNiCo 8" in my 64 Vibro Champ and it sounds superb.

@AmbientEndeavors

10 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yeah the alnico was so distinct when I popped that in. Definitely more airy top end as you kind of described. I did like the breakup of the Green Beret but the stock Cele sounded sweet across most of the gain sweep.

Great comparison. I was thinking of experimenting and switching out the stock speaker, but I actually think it sounds the best. The other speakers seem to lack that punch and clarity. The 10 30 sounds great here.

G10A all the way!! Actually, after I listened to the comparison few times have to say that my favorites on the clean are the celestion and the g10a followed by the green and et10 last. Overdriven green first, then g10a, then et10 and celestion last. Thinking about possibilities setting the eq to each speaker to taste, I would probably take the green because I liked the character of the low end and I believe you can dial the bass knob higher and get more punchy low end without been flabby (cleans would’ve sound better to me with bass knob higher than where it was), the mids were the most beautiful to my taste and the top end is sweet. Thinking about proper speaker to match the amp I would take the g10a. The celestion sounds very good but the low end felt kind of too loose to my liking on the overdriven sound. I guess that the et10 can sound way better with the amp eq different (more bass, more treble).

@AmbientEndeavors

9 ай бұрын

all really good observations! The G10A feels polarizing to me, and it's the most unique to my ears. It has a bit of that honky vintage Fender feel (that likely suits these old amps well, but that I personally don't love). The GB was the one for me, mainly because I liked the way it broke up the best, and it retained a good amount of the sparkle/clarity in the cleans as well. You're right, a lot of it can be affected by some EQ knob turns too. Thanks for watching!

Nothing wrong with the stock speaker....but....if I were going to pick one to swap in...I would pick the Green Beret. Nice work!!

@AmbientEndeavors

8 ай бұрын

thanks for watching! That's the one I stuck with after the vid. I really loved the breakup from the GB

Cool comparison. My fave tone was the E10 dirty. Hard to believe that much difference, aside from db’s, between 5 and 7 on the volume knob.

@AmbientEndeavors

8 ай бұрын

Totally agree! That's really the cross-over point for these little Champs - great cleans up to about 5, and then a bit past that and you can dig in and get great small-amp breakup!

Just got the amp 5 days ago and i love the stock speaker although watching this video if i was to do a swap id go with yhe ET110.

the stock speaker offers the Fender true clean sound. When it comes to distortion, you just have to adapt the settings.

@AmbientEndeavors

4 ай бұрын

I think the original speaker makes a great pairing for this amp as well.

Celestion for me!

@AmbientEndeavors

8 ай бұрын

I was surprised how good that stock speaker sounded in comparison! Each of the 4 give a unique flavor though.

I've been saying for years that the two biggest upgrades you can make are pickups and speakers. No need to change guitar or amp (necessarily). They are also the least expensive changes to get the tone you're after...

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

It certainly is an oft overlooked modification. There’s a lot of variation that comes from a speaker swap in terms of freq response, headroom/breakup, etc

All the WGS speakers sounded like they needed a few hours of playing to loosen up the surrounds and spiders. I've learned never to judge a speaker until it's at least partly broken in so it can reveal its true voice. With that said, the G10A really tickled my ears. Its detail and depth out of the box hinted that it would sound amazing once it had broken in. Nice playing, BTW!

@AmbientEndeavors

4 ай бұрын

hey thanks ! yours and other comments make me want to circle back to each speaker and break em in a bit. I'm running the Green Beret at the moment and it's continuing to mellow out as I play it more.

Ive ALMOST changed out my Ten 30s on my 68' Vibrolux RI, many times.......but that sweet rolled off top end works well w my amp, if I need more chime, the bright switch does the trick, but if my amp didnt have that switch, Id go the Green Beret for the greenback sound or the G10a, nice and fuzzy.

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

Totally, I was kind of amazed at how the stock speaker stood up. I actually filmed all the WGS stuff before popping the original back in and man it is a good fit. I think I slightly prefer the breakup of the Green Beret, so it stayed in. That G10a rest gives a unique vibe. Thanks for watching!

I use one of these amps, absolutely love it. I want to use it in a live setting with a drummer, and think I need a bit more volume/headroom... would a speaker swap help for this? Alternatively, do you think using a vibro champ to drive an external cabinet e.g. 2x10 would do the job? Not looking for clean headroom. Thanks

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

great question. I found the green beret to be the best for breakup. there wasn't a big difference in overall volume among the three, and maybe a subtle bump in volume from the stock speaker. regarding running through an external cab, yes you'd likely hear a significant volume bump running through more or bigger speakers. I run a vintage champ through a 12" combo cabinet and it sounds huge and much louder than the stock 8".

The alnico sounds new. They need 20 hours to break in for the alnico to sound warm. They sound dull at first. How much playing time is on the alnico?

Would be nice if you had single coils also

Green beret was more complete. Sounded great clean and dirty. Stock speaker after that.

Go Twins!

@AmbientEndeavors

4 ай бұрын

wooo!

Clean there's no much of a difference, as usual, but i will describe how they sounded (to me, at least): The Celestion Ten 30: Quite tiny and lacking in body/depth, also it has a little bit of fizziness that i didn't like, but at least, the mids didn't sounded boxy or unbalanced. The WGS ET10: An improvement over the Celestion, full bodied response and no fizz, also, quite hi-fi. The WGS Green Beret: Very similar to the ET10 in general, maybe a little bit more hi-fi. The WGS G10A: Full bodied response, but with a quite annoying fizziness, typical of AlNiCo speakers.

@AmbientEndeavors

3 ай бұрын

a great synopsis! I'm glad you mentioned the fizz of the alnico being a typical thing - I couldn't get past that myself either. perhaps it mellows after being broken in...but it's a definite "thing" and not one I'm fond of at least in this amp. Thanks for watching and chiming in!

I wanna hear the eminence allesandro speakers Made my shrill 65 deluxe reverb sound like the vintage deluxe reverbs I tried at Norma rare guitars Extremly fender, still chimney and beautiful Just made thit fender sound broken in after decades of playing The wgs veteran turns this amp into a low volume rock machine I love having incredible tones at speaking volumes

@AmbientEndeavors

5 ай бұрын

Oo that sounds like something I’d be into!

Two Rock uses these for their cabs, correct?

The Celestion sounds best. The others are Ok, but there is no need to swap speakers.

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

thanks for weighing in!

wow WGS ET10 - An almost voxy vibe in single string distortion with clarity WGS Greenback - Marchally vibes WGS G10A - A bigger blackface vibe I just ordered a WGS Veteran 10, but this is seriously making me consider the G10A instead for handling octave down fuzz. You don't have the Veteran in this roundup but im expecting it to give my vibrochamp a sweeter 'champy' nature. Less sensitive, great breakup, but may possibly still flub out with octave down fuzz 🤔

@DavidGarcia-pi9wn

5 ай бұрын

Hey brother what did you think of the veteran 30? I’m trying to get a less shrill overdriven tone from my champ I have a jazzmaster and even messing with the tone settings it makes my ears bleed

@waynedoherty7758

5 ай бұрын

@@DavidGarcia-pi9wnI love it. Doesn’t go as low as the stock, but doesn’t flub out. The G10A would likely be a better choice for low girthy fuzz. But the veteran breaks up really easily and sounds amazing in a soft lofi way. I run the volume between 4.5 and 6 with an attenuator to shave off a few db. It used to sound a bit harsh below 4, but I haven’t tried going that low since the speaker swap to know if it helps in that department

@DavidGarcia-pi9wn

5 ай бұрын

@@waynedoherty7758 thanks a ton I can usually play on 4-5 on the stock speaker My guitar just had a ton of Uber shrill upper end harmonic content and I was hoping the veteran was warm enough to atleast lower those while giving me more mids I like the hi fi nature of the amp so I think imma try to check some of the allesandro stuff

Dude, how many Vibro Champs you got ? I’m not hating just jealous. The old white one is gorgeous, I was hoping that was something Fender had done a run of or something, but nope. I think it would be cool for them to offer the current reissue in some different color combinations like they’ve done with the blues jr from time to time. Your old white one is beautiful man , what’s the story on it ? Is it an actual Fender that’s been redone or is it some boutique build ? I’m a Marshall guy myself, but I’ve been wanting one those Vibro Champs since I first heard one, they sound great clean, but man they get nasty in a different way than most Fenders when cranked.

@AmbientEndeavors

9 ай бұрын

an embarrassing number. I'm a hoarder / collector of those specifically. if you get in touch I'll likely make you a good deal on one ;) I think I have 5. The white one was a rehoused 70s VC I put in a MojoTone 1x10. It's so great, the alnico 10 really makes it sing. I might have to do a comparison vid of it and the new 68 custom.

I would stay with the original speaker. If i had to choose it would be the green beret its the closest to the original

@AmbientEndeavors

10 күн бұрын

I feel very similarly. I like the breakup characteristics of the GB

Stock 10-30 speaker rules!!

@AmbientEndeavors

4 ай бұрын

it's surprisingly good. Pairs well with this amp.

@hillelmusic

4 ай бұрын

It really does. The Green and the G10 each have nice qualities in their own right, but overall I love the character and vibe of the stock

Stock or GB 👍🏻

I assume they were all 4ohm speakers ?

@AmbientEndeavors

10 күн бұрын

Yes!

Would you say one speaker had noticeably more bass?

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

I'd say the bass response on the ceramics was all fairly similar, and those a bit more prominent low end than the alnico , but not major differences. There's not a ton of low-end in these champ circuits innately.

Were all the WGS speakers 4ohm?

@AmbientEndeavors

11 ай бұрын

Yes! All 4 ohm.

@ElyRiverBlues

11 ай бұрын

@@AmbientEndeavors I ran mine through a Marshall 4x12 cab the other week using the 4ohm input...now that's some serious speaker upgrade! Sounded huge! 🙂

Anyone else prefer the sound of the stock speaker?

@AmbientEndeavors

4 ай бұрын

Was honestly impressed by it yea! It's a near toss-up between stock and the Green Beret. I kept the GB in because the overdriven tones were a little more rich to my ears.

@andreasocarroll5390

4 ай бұрын

I prefer stock too!

Putting a British speaker in an American style amp just sounds wrong.

@AmbientEndeavors

Ай бұрын

Idk. I love the Creamback I have in my Princeton.