Stockholm simulator the game

@obsidianjane4413

8 ай бұрын

Fer' real.

@squigglycups5666

8 ай бұрын

Stale gamemodes but oo shiny new plane. Has grown adults saying shit like " vark vark vark" 🤡

@Endermann111

8 ай бұрын

@@squigglycups5666Tankenstein.exe

@BAM_BAM_XCI

8 ай бұрын

​@@squigglycups5666VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK VARK

@Vincent98987

8 ай бұрын

börk börk börk börk värk värk värk värk björk björk björk björk

Personally, I think the amount of fun people have in this game does depend on skill level too. Someone who is capable of getting tons of kills per match may have more fun than someone who struggles to get a single kill most games.

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

totally true, i guess the 3 main factors are level, skill, and who u play with

@glennmichaelfabila613

8 ай бұрын

War thunder mobile grind torture 😅😅😅

@jojomaster7675

8 ай бұрын

Not necessarilly. The better you get, the more you expect and the better you need to do to hit that high. I can see it on myself. When playing a bad vehicle in a gamemode I'm not good at, I'll be happy about a single kill, yet when I'm playing a good vehicle in a gamemode I'm extremely capable at, not even an ace will make me feel much. Also, the better you are, the more likely you are to blame the game rather than saying it's your own skill issue.

@grahaldmills5930

8 ай бұрын

Problem is you got a lot of people expecting to play this like a fps and fail

@glennmichaelfabila613

8 ай бұрын

Why it's fun play naval via submarine I had already have type k sub and Kirov

My theory about the spike at 80 to 90 is, that at that level players start to unlock their first top tierish vehicles, and are thus confronted with new things to be frustrated about (Cas sniping you from the other side of earth, BMP-2M, etc.), while they already became used to the the "normal" problems they faced at lower tiers

@RatTacticsOnly

8 ай бұрын

I have just got to 9.0+ and I don't want to play it, 1st death okay whatever, 2nd spawn, leave spawn, heli kills me, leave again cas bombs me. It's just trash gameplay and helps seem to be able to kill from 4km completely immune to most spaa

@RatTacticsOnly

8 ай бұрын

Helis

@epico1598

8 ай бұрын

Grinded the 11.3 Germany squadron vehicle. First matches with stock HEAT-FS was painful but as soon as i unlocked APFDSsdeef i had several 7 kill games with only this tank in my arsenal. So it is fun (lvl 55 btw)

@mittensthefeared5401

7 ай бұрын

I enjoy top tier the most, you may just like ww2 content the most. I like the modern tech, it's a faster pace and when you learn the flow of the BR you are playing at I find that you can adjust and eventually have fun, but not everyone is the same. Granted I have thousands of hours logged on war thunder.@@RatTacticsOnly

@RatTacticsOnly

7 ай бұрын

@@mittensthefeared5401 Yeah your right mate, I absolutely love WW2 era and even cold war, I'd say anything past 8.7 just doesnt feel fun and makes me understand why people 1 death leave. Anytime I spawn more then one tank I get CAS or a Heli blow me up, sometimes twice. Only thing ive enjoyed about high tier is using SAM to take out the annoying air aha!

My friend died a few years ago. The team still exists on Discord but almost no one is on it. I'm still on the team at WT and every now and then I stop by to see his name. I think it's still a way to keep him alive in my memory. You know, sometimes it seems like he's still going to say something stupid or simply give a warning to the community.

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

man …. :(

@hellfirecomesuninvited1689

8 ай бұрын

Rip 😭🙏

@CyberMonkey03

8 ай бұрын

o7

@marcelocraveroregeni6973

8 ай бұрын

I remenber back when a friend played with me..when he died he would help me with CAS and one day he disconnected and never went back online.

@D.Ambrose

7 ай бұрын

Poor dude. I miss all my buddies who never logged back in. What’s his name/player tag? I wanna name a tank after him💕

"Target Destroyed"

@mr.tweaty

3 ай бұрын

yup, thats pretty much it...

I assume the annoyance spike at 80-90 is because youre around tier 6, 7, or 8 at that level, and so you may be low on silver lions after buying expensive things, having to stock grind, etc. The grind just gets worse as you level/progress in a tree

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

that makes a lot of sense actually

@snipes_1138

8 ай бұрын

On 8 May, 2017 I was at level 60 with 4.7 Million Sl.

@smiley7399

8 ай бұрын

@@snipes_1138 And then it hits you with 500k SL vehicle cost

@snipes_1138

8 ай бұрын

@@smiley7399 I have always saved up 1 million or more and then saved up the amount for the price to unlock the vehicle and the crew training amount, so that never affected me…

@smiley7399

8 ай бұрын

@@snipes_1138 Getting hit with 100k+ SL when i'm just on br 6.3 really makes me die inside

I'm level 100 and have been playing for ages, and honestly the biggest issue with WT is the inconsistency. Last update they broke proxy fuses on some missiles, so now they can phase through enemies, and volumetric in general is horrible to deal with, like when I shoot a Panther in the mantlet with a 90mm shell that should go straight through but it just disappears into the void. If that was fixed the game would be so much more enjoyable

@cookiecracker2

8 ай бұрын

Last update? hah, I've seen sparrows and r27s phase through enemies for months, maybe they broke it even more? I don't know lol. But I 100% agree with you, the inconsistency is what kills it for me. it's like riding a motorbike that constantly breaks down for no reason ruining your fun and ride. If the general mechanics in warthunder; guns, penetration, armor, bombs, repairing, if it all just worked, I'd have a lot more fun then I do with all the issues I experience almost every single match.

@Vrooto

7 ай бұрын

they completely messed up my focke wulf line and bf109 line just as I was about to buy a aircraft (bf109 k4) and research a jet aircraft.

@TormentedPenguin

7 ай бұрын

That and they don't listen to the main players who play for a living and show where the issues are. Instead they balance via spreadsheet, which does fuck all for individual vehicles.

@user-ns4zm8qe9p

7 ай бұрын

The way they balance off player statistics has to be the big one for me. We all know most new players pick Germany first so their inexperience leads to them dying more than they get kills. Meaning gaijin looks at the numbers and balances those vehicles around the dismal stats, like they are underperforming for their BR. But it’s really just the players in these tanks

@TormentedPenguin

7 ай бұрын

@user-ns4zm8qe9p they should put 10 of the biggest streamers in a room and have them balance it out.. then release the results to the community to approve or disapprove. I bet it will be overwhelmingly approved. They have a legit stake in balance. Gajin doesn't. They want it unbalanced so people buy premiums.

The high annoyance in high levels is probably because they are more likely to play high BRs (grinding for the new stuff) at this level, there is an egregious power creep with new vehicles. If you get up tiered at anything around 8.0 or higher, you are almost guaranteed to lose and die quickly as these BRs are highly saturated by modern vehicles that Gaijin seems to be more focused on

@jimbothegymbro7086

7 ай бұрын

yup, I'm grinding 6.7 U.S and I just see 7.7 up tiers as scout spot farms in the T92 because there's no way in hell my pershing can compete with early cold war soviet heavies, sabot/heat and early ATGMs, hell their armor is mid as far as heavy tanks go at their own BR let alone in an up tier

It suffers from "Monkey endorphin activation"...the brain see's "Target Destroyed" and it releases endorphins causing addiction.

@mr.tweaty

3 ай бұрын

Yup

@galloviking4766

2 ай бұрын

I play France, I've never seen that ever lmao. I'm happy when I get critical damage because that's some nice points when someone else finishes them off

Kinda surprised those are the main complaints. There was a whole rebellion against Gaijin because of the Silver Lions and RP gains for every match. It has improved though so i guess that's why but still needs a bit more work imo. They're pretty heavily anti-consumer as well like you said. The BR and overall cheesiness of other players can be frustrating, especially recently. The IS-2 '44 is now 6.7 and it just cant compete it feels like.

@Wubb333

7 ай бұрын

i believe "currency grind" was mentioned only about 3-5 times, surprisingly. but yeah i think we saw how especially anti-consumer gaijin is with today's pack sale. all the popular packs were not on sale, but the ones nobody wants were 50% off lol

I actually find 3.0-5.0 quite fun. The caveat is that starting off in those vehicles was a nightmare. Once I got expert in those vehicles and figured out the play style that works for me, it became much more fun. I haven't actually bought anything higher than my Tiger H1 or my M4A2 because those are my favorites

@theasiangod5860

7 ай бұрын

yeah, when beginning 3.0-5.0 is pretty annoying to play as the armor is non existent unless you play Germany, Russia, or America. But once you get to 6.0+ you kinda begin to revert back to 3.0-5.0 because it was a lot easier at that teir. And when you learn how to play at 3.0-5.0 you begin to play better than most.

Personally i love the game because of the immersion, and the real vehicles, i love learning about military vehicles and aircraft and war thunder has very high detail

@BrenoAgmL

7 ай бұрын

Is Very imersive playing with a T-54 against a jagdpanther in red desert USA.

@Nitrox_909

7 ай бұрын

​@@BrenoAgmL😂

@Mark3nd

2 ай бұрын

Just remember: Made in Russia

@jgripen969

Ай бұрын

@@BrenoAgmL It used to be very immersive back in the days. Back then, there was no "Realistic Battles", it was called "Historical Battles". If you played on Battle of Stalingrad, you were either going to be German or Soviet. You were simply unable to play that map if you played British for an example. Back then, I could never tire of the game. The immersion took away focus on the grind, and before you knew it, you had unlocked a new vehicle without even realizing it, because you actually *had fun*.

I play war thunder because I enjoy bringing myself great pain. 3500 hrs in

Personally i love the gameplay, it's what brings me back everyday, im a Level 100, 2,100 hrs in game, starting out was hard, learning about all of the tanks, and each weak spot and capabilities was a struggle, add gijjain moments and you get what seems like a hard game. I've played most of my hours by myself, and now that ive reached the top in a few nations, I really find that i need teammates, especially if i want to play say 10.3 or 10.7. I find that i do leagues better then most of my teammates because of premium players, i want to complain (still do once in awhile) but i know that i was once a new player with just the xm-1 and a m4a1 in my lineup.

@grahaldmills5930

8 ай бұрын

That's the spirit, but yeah 1lifers annoy the shit out me specially when half the team is gone within 3 minutes of the game

@stringz4862

8 ай бұрын

For this reason, war thunder is the only game i would like skill based matchmaking to be a feature in.

@ToastRepublic

8 ай бұрын

@@stringz4862 There are times where I wish there was skill based, especially when I first started. But I have a strong hate for skill based matchmaking in general, it killed call of duty for me, I like to try hard sometimes and other times I like to chill, in warthunder you really need to go at your own pace and that can change day to day, I've noticed that skill based matchmaking tends to force some higher skilled players to purposely lose and "derank" them selfs, ruining the game for both casuals and skilled players. I can definitely see skill based working for lower level or new players with modes for them.

@stringz4862

8 ай бұрын

@@ToastRepublic skill based matchmaking doesn't always have to be as strict as it is in cod. Thats also why i said wt is the only game id like it in because i feel that it can be implemented properly. Maybe something as simple as a 4v4 or 8v8 ranked mode or a "loose sbmm" system similar to what destiny 2 got last year. It would at least decrease the amount of noobs on both teams for the better players and just throw the rest of them in the same matchmaking pool every few matches.

@ToastRepublic

8 ай бұрын

​@@stringz4862 I understand that it doesn't have to be cod level, I find that Fortnite's implementation hits a sweet spot with a somewhat loose sbmm, but cod has left me with a hate for sbmm that i really cant explain and i tend to just hate sbmm by default because of it. tbh i've lost enough brain cells grinding this game, that i just cant be bothered to care about the teams anymore, i just let it be, after i started my new job ive been too tired to care, just wanna see tank go boooom.

This is what I perceive as the current life cycle of a new player, and how that explains why the game remains so popular despite being unenjoyable. Attracted by advertisements featuring all sorts of advanced, modern combat vehicles, new players flood in, eager to play them(I will be just like Maverick in the F-14). They then download the game and find themselves faced with an insurmountable, overwhelming wall of vehicles they could not care less about, standing between them and their goal. Still unaware, and running off hype, they get grinding, encouraged to continue by rapid progress at lower tiers, until they hit a certain point where the amount of time they are able to invest results in negligible progress towards their goal. Realizing at this rate it will take many years to get their dream vehicle, I imagine many players get out their wallet and purchase a top tier premium vehicle, hoping to speed up their progress while simultaneously jumping ahead closer to where they actually wanted to play. Maybe they can even buy a top tier premium version of the vehicle they actually wanted, such as the XM-1 if they wanted the Abrams. Once this stage is reached, Gaijin has already won. The player has spent at least the price of a brand new triple AAA game, on a single vehicle in a free to play game. Even if the player quits now Gaijin could mostly care less. However, they won't. They will take out their new top tier premium and got promptly destroyed by experienced players at the higher tier, and, if they are playing ground, a one-death leaver has just been born since they have nothing else to put in their lineup. The player is now trapped by sunk cost due to the significant time and money they have invested, and probably no longer considers quitting to be an option, so they will continue to play and spend even more money trying to reach the vehicle or era that they think will turn everything around for them and finally make the game fun to play. "If I just get the MiG-29 I'll be top fragging every match, I just have to get through this bad part of the game first". (This is the stage of the players who constantly complain about the economy, research costs, the grind, repair costs, etc, their sole interest is accelerating their progress towards some imagined ideal era or vehicle, they are full-time grinders.) They will do this despite the game no longer being enjoyable for them to play. If they do ever end up reaching their end goal, they will probably realize it wasn't worth the hype, and maybe start revisting other parts of the game they overlooked or just grinded through, and since they have played so long by now they will be skilled enough that they start to realize the best part of the game is actually lower tiers, and maybe just maybe they will start to have a little actual fun.

@Rich77UK

7 ай бұрын

Great insight and I agree. You may also consider the addition of watching certain prominent youtubers that edit HUNDREDS of games down into a 10 minutes series of maybe 4 or 5 clips showing how "fun" the game is.

My biggest ting that gets me annoyed and even angry in matches is teammates, there is Minimal teamwork or communication (even less incentive) resulting in dying faster, getting rushed, loosing matches and feeling isolated. What feels better: Having to singlehandedly deal with 3 enemy fighters above you while your team chases after 1 bomber, or flying in formation and lighting up a enemy fighter who stall climbed after your teammate baiting. This could be assisted with more teamwork rewards, pairing players up into squads (like battlefield), more radio command options, more options to use on the maps (signs, arrows, warning; i.e. tactics), voice chat etc.

Nice Video dear Wubb. from being a crate addict (hope another vid is coming out ;)) to making nice analytics. thanks and bye!

Remember You're allowing yourself to have fun when the fun's being taken from others

Lvl 100 here, been playing since 2012... As you play with friends you get soooooo many up tiers. You also have the issue of players not showing up at all until they fire and you die, even thought they were 50ft away. You spawn on a plane to bomb someone, but the fighters are 2400ft away which means you die instantly.

We don't play it for the fun we play it for the fun "moments" when the other persons time is not fun its only fun when someone else is not having fun can only be both when your meeming around

@anarchyandempires5452

8 ай бұрын

Yeah that's why I bought the SU-11, cuz sometimes I just want to see the world burn and the screams of Fury and hopelessness I bring to an entire battle rating warms my twisted evil heart.

@anarchyandempires5452

8 ай бұрын

@dariusbendasiuk5678 bro you have literally the fastest acceleration in The BR before you, your BR and the Next BR, on top of that You are quite agile and one of the fastest jets in those BRs which combined with your ridiculous acceleration means That even if somebody else is faster than you so long as you fly at an angle not only will they never be able to catch up with you they will quickly lose speed and if they are stupid enough to keep chasing you they will become sitting ducks for you too turn on and rip apart. If you even know the very basics of energy fighting you are literally untouchable, You can enter and exit Any dog fight at will with zero repercussions and almost zero chance of losing it unless You tunnel vision and commit to it too hard. Remember that an enemy has to be within 700 meters of you to gun you down, If you start losing the dog fight just pull out and fly away, Even if they are paying close attention to what you were doing You will literally be over a kilometer away from them before they finish their turn to start chasing you, Your acceleration and top speed are simply ridiculous for the BR. Literally the only things that can keep up with you are rocket planes and those are rare and almost never used.

I’ve been playing since September 2013 and usually alone. My approach to the game is to have as much fun as possible by not focusing too much on the grind, by just enjoying the matches I have along the ride. If I die or perform poorly I usually try to blame it on myself and ask where I can improvement. The potential of the game, the chance to try out historical vehicles and the fun you can get from having good matches is what kept me going for a decade. Until recently I had all air trees fully researched (air RB player for 95% of my time as a player all these years), top tier tanks for Russia and Germany, and I’m nearing top tier tanks for the Us and UK as well.

I saw a review on Steam that best described this game. "War Thunder is like an abusive partner. They treat you like shit but you keep coming back thinking they changed."

I think part of the reason level 80-90s have such a weird spike in complaints to rating is that they have started to break into top tier vehicles which have some of the most bs and annoying moments to them at times. (I had a game at 11.7 a few days ago where I got slapped by three enemy F-16Cs with paveway bombs at least 4+ times and my entire team got wiped cuz they would just kill anyone who spawned in pretty much instantly. This was in Ground Realistic btw.)

@B.D.E.

7 ай бұрын

Spot on, grinding stock high or top tier vehicles is the slowest, and leaves you at an objective disadvantage vs others for a very long time.

@jimbothegymbro7086

7 ай бұрын

bro hear me out, ground arcade since high tier already has easy spots and point, click shooting but ground arcade has limited air spawns where they're effectively kill streaks, it's just straight up better and you can turn your brain off a little as a bonus

It's like scrolling through tiktok, shorts, and any kind of social media apps... not good for you, but its hard to escape it

3:42 I play solo and it could also be that being on a team gives you a greater feeling of control over the outcome of the game and creates a larger emitional connection

For me playing with friends is more frustrating, while it allows for more teamwork and some niffty tactics interacting with them however is also taking away focus from the game. Therefor more deaths occur with less kills.

I got my first nuke yesterday and im still riding the high it gave me. I didn't even get to drop the bomb since time ran out during take off. Still i dopamine hit from just doing that good was incredible.

To me, the secret ingredient to have fun in this game is getting hammered first. Or just (as I do now) never have it installed, never really play it anymore, and then notice it on friend's desktop when visiting and have fun taking turns (also being hammered while doing it)

Hey, lvl 100 player here. I do play with friends occasionally but I find my performance is vastly better while playing alone as I’ve only just started playing with friends. Playing with other people distracts me and leads to poor performance in the game. It’s hard to have a conversation and concentrate on hitting weak spots/ playing at the same time. We’re not at the Bo time gaming levels of team coordination so we don’t really work as a squad it’s basically a bunch of people in a call but all playing as if we were alone. On top of this if I run out of backups I have to stay in the match while I spectate my friends which depending on how well I did could be over 15 minutes of doing nothing and watching them. Whereas if I was playing alone I could just hop into the next match. Also playing with other people means a compromise on what you want to play. I prefer WW2 vehicles but a lot of the time I need to play higher br’s which I’m not used to/not comfortable with. Because they want to grind higher stuff. For instance I don’t like top tier jet gameplay. (As a ww2 ground rb enjoyer) so when I play that tier with friends I have to use a subsonic A7K event vehicle I got. Which means I can’t keep up with their jets and my game is just bomb in bases and getting the occasional missile or gun kill. Being slow means I’m also usually the last to die because they’re in the fight sooner. So they have to wait for me to die. This is just my take so obviously I don’t represent all of the people who enjoy playing alone over in a team.

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

this is exactly the player archetype i expect to have the most fun in war thunder

Not the greatest game I've played, but it's the best vehicle simulator and I enjoy it. The clear problem with this game is as they call it "the grind" and how long it takes a new player to obtain the modern vehicles they have seen in the War Thunder trailers. They recently lowered the experience and in game currency required to purchase some vehicles to make it easier on new players, but I don't think it makes any significant changes. A player doesn't need but is heavily influenced to get "Premium" time which costs real money but would increase your experience and currency gains. All of these predatory tactics aside, the game is free to play and if you aren't ready to spend a bit of money on the game you probably will not enjoy your time. Be warned.

@stpplayz2322

8 ай бұрын

If you play certain countries, it will be easier though cuz I'm a f2p and currently 1 tier away from top tier...................... after a few months

@viktoriyaserebryakov2755

7 ай бұрын

I just don't grind. I always have fun.

I had a battle the other day where I went too fast, hit a wall and flipped over. Thankfully my team mate rammed me back over

warthunder is unforgiving especially if you’re new but if you develop skills for the game it’s one of the most rewarding experiences in a game i’ve ever felt. i currently have 3409 hours in warthunder on steam.

Im level 90 in the game, and although there are moments in the game that are annoying, I really love the game. I think people view the goal as getting to top tier which completly not what you want to do. I just try to have fun and get the fun vehicals which rarely are higher than 8.0..... vehicals like the axm50 surbias, tiger 1e, italian m26, and fv4005 are fun. I feel like the things that make us complain just make us appreciate the game even more when the game goes well which is more often than not.

I’m level 100 and have over 2600 hours in the game, it causes me immense pain but I still love it

I have 1063 hours and last played it on the 11th January 2021. Quittibg this game is honestly one of the best decisions I made ans I regularly preach against this game when someone thinks about starting to play it. The reasons are many but the veterans know them.

As a level 100 with over 3k hours the only thing keep bringing me back is the joy of crushing newbie’s dream especially people who buy top tier premium the rage and fan mail I got is what keep me going

I definitely agree with the lack of competition, even though I play WOT/WOWS more, the games are too different to be considered direct competition with each other

It is fun when the mechanics works properly, when it gives me the expected gameplay for most vehicle tanks that relies on armor should take a bit punishments(Most heavy tanks and some medium tanks) and tanks with good gun should be able to kill without problem(TD or IS-2 kind of tank) But sometimes, it just doesn't meet the expectations, which brings a lot of frustration(volumetric trolling, overtier, CAS in ground RB) And there are also some vehicles that're just not fun to play(mostly minor nation low tier and something that's just not viable and stock grinding)

im level 31 in the game, and love it. I dislike some aspects like getting upteired when you have a hard time taking on vehicles at your BR already. Sometimes the physics can get a little wonky, like the time when my APCBC shell went through a german Pz.II without doing anything to it in a 4.0 game. Or when you interact with other vehicles physically you can get some interesting reality breaking things to happen...

IMO the reason why solo players have more fun than those who play with friends is that WT is SUPPOSED to be a team-based game, but in reality it really isn't and most players care only about themselves: they steal your frags, they stay in their bushes instead of pushing with you because they're too afraid of getting shot, they ignore the role of tanks in general and take all the sniper positions even if they play heavy tanks while you being a TD have to drive into city to be somewhat useful, nobody's gonna tow you behind a corner even if they're right next to you and you've been begging for it for over a minute, etc. So when you play alone, you're kinda expected to count only on yourself and that stuff stops boggling you pretty fast. But when you play in squad, you kinda tune yourself to collective work and, if your friends are good, you do it well, BUT it's only 4 of you and the rest 11 members of your team are still an egoistic uncoordinated mess which creates a strong dissonance in your head and resurrects your frustration about your teammates with a completely new strength, especially when you are losing which makes enemy team look so well organised compared to yours that it starts to feel that either the enemy are somehow playing in squad of 10, or your team was cherry picked and consisted of kids with special needs

Playing with friends could lead to increased frustration if you die/run out of respawns early and have to sit and wait for one or more of your friends before you can get into the next match. You're also far more likely to face unfavorable BR or nation match-ups if your friends don't have the exact same BR or play the same nation as you. Unfortunately absolutely none of the data in this video was relevant to me as I only really played sim and my frustration with the game is entirely down to Gaijin never actually adding anything interesting or meaningful. They just pump out new vehicles and maps and never touch the same shitty game modes we've been stuck with for a decade.

I am lvl 88 and play mostly alone (not by choice, my friends just like nirmal games) and my frustration increase in heese levles increasing according to graphs matches but my reasoning of annoyance may differ from peaople by a lot. My annoyance is mainly of my indecisiveness on which tech tree to go for while all of them have a lot of good vehicles i love. There is also back to back uptier which is extremely daunting at tier V to VI realistic air battles but mainly my indeciciveness.

excellent video, very fascinating I would say, after a certain skill level it's really just about the mentality you have behind playing the game. What expectations do you have for yourself and are you able to meet them? You can find players with high and low expectations for themselves at every level, but the ones who are level 100 tend to have found their balance, and what works for them I've really been enjoying learning Air RB. I've been a tank player since 2019, and was never very good at aircraft. So going back and spending time playing aircraft feels fun and rewarding, as I'm picking up a new skill. So I suppose I am in that "level 30" region even though I'm much higher level, because I'm effectively restarting the grind. Air RB is very fun to learn if you approach it right with a growth mindset anyhow, would be interested in seeing a video like this with a muuuuch larger sample size

@Wubb333

7 ай бұрын

hoping to get more people in the discord so the sample sizes can be bigger in the future :3 ( discord.gg/wubb )

I got toptier air Rb for the first time the other day switching from F5E straight to the F16C I the main reason I kept on the grind was to get to toptier but I now realise that F5E is much funner because I can get way more kills and I have to develope strategies compared to sit on the deck and missle in 12.3. And I resort to playing more nations to get some variety. (I have never bought a toptier premium so I have experienced every single br more than once I have mid-toptier jets in most nations)

The best start possible for a video

great vid i think it helped with trying to convince my friend why too or not to play thanks :)

@mr.tweaty

3 ай бұрын

why would you inflict that on another human being....

Tbh I enjoy the game but one of the most annoying things is when I'm short on sl, they should make it easier to come by or make things cheaper to some degree

It's all about the grind 🔥

For me, the painful and endless grind is the worst part of war thunder

Great Video! I just play and enjoy the Game for the Cinematic Potential it has, DCS is a lot better but also a lot Harder for that regard, I also just enjoy a few Sessions with Friends which are really funny!

personally I play the game because I dont have excess budget to build plastic models of military vehicles to make dioramas so I just grind them in warthunder (and also world of warships) its so much fuqqing stress but playing matches then taking pictures on replays afterwards satisfy my want for dioramas for nerdy reasons

Haven't thought seriously with a database about this game like this! It was a very informative and great video. I personally feel NOT FUN when I die with "my own dumb skill issue"... which is the opposite of around 4:38 where 100 players feel happy with the gameplay and doing good. I need to practice more.

@Wubb333

6 ай бұрын

It makes me happy that Kana-san enjoyed my video :) I agree, this is when I feel it isn't fun. There were 2 or 3 other people, who wrote "my own skill issue" as a reason for not having fun, too lol!

You’re right, it’s not fun, but seeing those two red words sparks neuron activation. Only problem is that I have to get more and more as time goes on to feed my dopamine resistant brain nowadays.

The things that make this game aggravate me is the never ending CAS in ground rb and getting a whole rank up tiered

I really feel like War Thunder is like that one guy that you don't want to invite to a party but as soon you both hangout you two are like a best buddy

@kerotomas1

8 ай бұрын

More like the best buddy who constantly abuses you.

I find playing with friends is where I have the most fun in this game. It is not really an echo chamber of frustration. When my friends and I play we normally have moments of calm rational planning followed by insane amounts of panicking. It normally ends in sighs of relief or laughter as one of us is left to fend off a hoard of enemies. Not to mention when you have a hype moment like shooting a plane down with a tank or something of the sort. It is certainly more rewarding to share it immediately with your friends than it is to share later. And if we get absolutely annihilated we do our best to avenge each other, and then go on to the next one. I play Warthunder on my own often, but I can attest that it is significantly more enjoyable with friends.

To me I like the feeling of accomplishment and whenever I unlock a new tank or plane I get that neuron activation

@bliboblob620

7 ай бұрын

Until you realise you're going to need to stock grind it 😂

@VKminus

7 ай бұрын

@@bliboblob620 bro don’t remind me 💀⚰️

I play this mostly solo. Used to play a lot with a friend, but i enjoy top tier ground rb, and he prefers rank 1 and 2 the most. We are both around level 100, i have 1600hours he has 1800. Playing with him is usually more stressful than solo, since either im out of my comfort zone in br, or he is. I find he gets frustrated easily when playing and tends to complain more, and ill just try to keep the moral up, but honestly its more stress than its worth playing with people who get mad all the time. And to be fair used to get mad at it a lot more before too, but ive learned to roll with the punches a lot better, and have accepted the fact that sometimes you die at no fault of your own, and to just respawn or go to the next game. I would characterize myself as having a high enjoyment (~8) and low frustration (~4)

It has its moments. Like there was this 25-game streak right after I got the M60 where I just had *FUN* Multiple days' worth of matches and I enjoyed them all. Didn't win all of them, didn't do outstanding but it just felt good to play.

Level 100 (mainly air rb) player here Personally, just doing well at the game is my main enjoyment, and playing subsonics. Prop tiers are fun on occasion but you can have a lot less impact per match imo and they just generally go slower and have less rewards than jet matches. On the other hand of the spectrum, top tier is a missile slinging shitfest which I just cannot seem to keep up with, so I avoid playing it. I do not really have the luxury of playing with friends either due to time zone differences or my irl friends not playing war thunder. Someone else commented in a reply about performing well relative to the vehicle you're using, which is very true. I'm a big fan of the 262 C-2b, which has only gotten worse and worse indirectly throughout the years. First, it saw only other subsonics who could only push ~1000kmh if they were really pushing it. Then, faster planes began to be added. Then missiles. Now, it can even face a supersonic (the q-5a). Then map sizes increased, inadvertently nerfing its limited booster and its only viable fuel option (minfuel). For a final nail in the coffin, the drag nerfs decimated MK108s. Despite all of this, it is my most played plane and I thoroughly enjoy it despite its difficulties in use. Now, due to my skill and many hours, I can't honestly say a 3 kill match with it brings me much joy, but it certainly feels more rewarding than getting a 3k in a more competitive 8.0 such as the me163 or la15. My main annoyances come in BR compression at this point. I know there will always be balance issues; such is life. It is inherently difficult to balance planes with a terrible airframe and amazing weaponry. But when you have 8.0 planes able to face supersonics, or 9.0 korean war era jets facing 30G all aspect missiles, there's clearly an issue there. I think I speak on behalf of every player that isn't base rushing with their mirage F1C when I say that the playerbase wants decompressed matches instead of short queue times. I used to get quite upset at the game, but honestly as I grow older, I've mellowed out in general. I find it difficult to get upset while playing the game anymore. If I'm not enjoying the matches, I switch to a plane I know I can perform consistently well in and play that, or I quit for the day. I've quit trying to grind, mainly because I have every plane I enjoy playing, and getting the new shiny vehicle no longer interests me with how awful I know top tier is.

One of the least fun things for me is the grind for SL and RP as even at low tier without premium it takes days to unlock a vehicle not including the SL you need to buy and crew it.

On playing with friends exclusively, mixed, and alone. I've done all 3 the reasons why; when alone you do what you want ur angry at wt just leave I felt discontent more when with a friend then when alone was often I can't just do my thing like I want to crush some ground arcade l, and my friend wants to go air realistic all of a sudden one of us isn't doing as good potentially. Then you will have to lower the be to the lowest players highest level at max, wich could mean no more good rp stacking. And finally the death system you could be watching ur friend play for 20 mins because you died to many times quickly, and he has yet to get shot at. It's less about echo chambers often they calm you down instead of exacerbate it.

i'm level 41. and I'm starting to get to the mid tier of the game. (7.7) with italy but I been playing this game since 2019. (I'm a casual but always watch wt). But my frustrating level isn't as high because I normally play it wt when I don't have anything to do. or sometimes before examination.

the game makes me rage so much but i always come back to play it for whatever reason and im a max lvl and still suck. i miss old war thunder where you get XP from killing players to lvl up to unlock other Stuff

i have a friend that is 86 lvl and he has 8.0-7.7 germany and he constantly upset about stock grind insane repair costs and having no stabilizer so i think its hy there is annoyence gap in 80-90 level

I have been playing the game since closed beta. Not every year and not every month. I have noticed through the years that my war thunder tolerance reaches its limit at about 3 to 5 months. After that i just can't keep up with the grind and I just stop playing for months. Then I see a video or an update that catches my attention and I come back for a few more months. And repeat the cycle. Higher BR is def more frustating than lower BR. Still there is no other game like war thunder. Its beautiful. And some of us have addictions to fulfill. My 2 cents.

I can find 2 different kinds of funs, 1 is pursuing the next vehicle which usually leads to complaints and more frustrating and playing general WW2 vehicles is generally peak performance. I do have a mix between playing with and without friends and always have more fun playing with playing friends.

My question would be is how many hours do you have in the game yourself. I have somewhere around 3-5000 hours. Play as a mixed player, both with friends and solo, it really boils down to mechanics in the game, like when someone talks about bias, in reality I think it has to do with a lot with the damage models of many Warsaw vehicles, like t-72 series t-80 series where they over perform in some areas, like their Era totaly negating shall or KE shells from the side, ammunition being destroyed but not cooking off which frustrates many, another question you really should have focused on is the likely chance of players hitting 30-40 becoming frustrated with the grind and buying a premium vehicle either too high in tier or one that is niche and then being disappointed and bullied. I look forward to future videos.

@Wubb333

7 ай бұрын

to answer ur question: only 500 hours, but i wouldnt consider myself inexperienced at all. glad u enjoyed the video too. if u want to partake in these kinds of studies consider joining the discord: discord.gg/wubb

To you bro...its fun for many ppl like me who dont ex0ect to pay gor a vehicle and expect it to make me good

i enjoy the gameplay and historical stuff, progression etc

My solution to have a good time with the game was to just stop grinding and enjoy the game. Use vehicles I like the most, and just skip the frustrating ones etc. Now I play mostly 4.0 - 9.3 max. Also, with all the battle passes, events the game felt like another job to me, I just don't try to do these things anymore and it is such a relief... And rather than buying a month/6 months or year of premium time, try to buy just one day when you feel like you want to play war thunder, tadam - you are free to do something else without feeling bad about "premium running out" and you can still play the game for a few matches from time to time. With the new economy changes, it is much, much easier time for freemium players.

I can agree, I play alone 99.9% of the time actually I used to play with some buddies but they are busy plus they/he mostly lives on the west coast and im on the east coast so there's like a 3 hour time difference 😢, that being said, ill het frustrated and rage for 30 seconds but couple minutes later youd never know unless im simply just havung a bad time playing all together which does happen

like for just the work put in... damn

What about profusive spawn killing? Ive joined matches where the team dies and leaves then theres me and a few others trying to get out of spawn at some point where you just get hammered. Map design is a massive factor id say

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

ironically, ive been planning on a "most hated map" video

@bottomshot4546

8 ай бұрын

for soviet players with poor gun depression, the maps are full of cover made useless by the sloping terrain.

As one of the players that occupy top positions in a match, I mostly play WT only after sales with premium account and a new vehicle if I like it. Otherwise it is not worth my time to casually grind. I do play few matches daily with my favourite vehicles to not get rusty before the grind.

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

whenever i play, its only my favorite BR and gamemode

@adydaddy

8 ай бұрын

@@Wubb333 Well, your favourite vehicles might not be the most effective

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

true, but finding the fun in war thunder is the only thing that motivates me to play it lol

I think the important factor most people miss is that you have to remember one thing "It's only a game." Why would you get angry or frustrated about a stupid little game with tanks and planes ? I have over 1000 hours and I don't remember ever not having fun, maybe because I play in smaller doses.

In wot when you spot a tank and its stays invisible is a bug, meanwhile in wt its a feature

Am around level 60 IIRC, and I’ve just broken into 9.3 ground realistic and am still finding it fun

Playing with friends can be annoying if you are trying to grind... Which for some people is the fun of it. I like the mix of both and feel it makes sense those rate it better

I played it for years before finally quitting in 2020 when I got DCS.

11 Years into playing WT, still having fun.

I'm gonna be honest, while I do like vehicle selection, I despise the damage model and it's inconsistency (besides the obvious one being grind). My frustration with this has gotten so bad I spent several months of my time editing a video just to vent my frustrations. There are a few good things about the game: flight controls, playstyle variety etc, but I simply cannot enjoy a game in which only specific caliber of bullets can miss me and still deal damage, or shells phasing through tanks.

The only way I still keep enjoying WT is to not play the top rank and learn to ignore the grind. There is much more fun at 1-7 tiers, learn to not even watch the RP/SL numbers. Unlocks are literally "the cake is a lie" meme thinking that the fun will start with this next cool vehicle. I play mostly Air RB/Sim and from the rank missles are introduced the skill requirements goes rapidly down and it is just a positioning game where you can loose without doing any mistakes. However, if I imagine my teen/adolescent self, I can imagine all the younger folks simply grinding as some kind of challenge to get bragging rights for people that have infinite time to waste on a game, even if they do not have much fun from individual games. Priorities change as you grow up, and this is still a game ;)

As a level 50 war thunder player, i can basicly agree with all what he said he had it correct to the point

It’s Like a Toxic Relationship you can’t get out of and when you do you somehow get into it 😂

Played on and off for over 10 years, mainly play Air RB, hit lvl 100 over half a decade ago. What makes me still play is: I'm a aviation nerd and it takes less time and effort to open up WT for a quick spin, than DCS or MSFS (requiring me getting joystick and pedals out) I don't play to grind, I play a lot of CB acrobatics, or just whatever I feel like If I grind, I only use a airplane that I actually enjoy and that isn't ruined by BR compression, and I might grind for max 1 day of any given week. I don't have a running prem. sub. that makes me feel I am wasting it, by not playing. If I don't have fun, I close the game. My biggest grapes with WT: BR compression Over demonetized economy, driven by player anxiety and frustration. Historically, Gaijin being a greedy company, that have a tendency to forget they have "Entertainment" in their company name.

As a War Thunder player, I consider myself an enthusiast for certain era-iconic vehicles in one specific tree. For example, the F-14 Tomcat and A-10 Thunderbolt II "Warthog", along with the Sherman tank, all in the US tree. I also like specific camouflages, skins, etcetera - like camos for the US Air Force Thunderbirds and the US Navy's Blue Angels. While I do occasionally branch out and get other vehicles like the S.2 Wyvern turboprop premium, they are an anomaly, not the rule. I'm currently Level 43 in the game, and the thing I find most frustrating about the game is some of the advanced mechanics, such as the complex dance you have to do in order to use guided missiles, even in Arcade mode. If the Arcade modes had more simplistic gameplay for secondary gameplay, like that of Ace Combat or other arcade flight simulators, I'd love it a whole lot more because weapons like missiles would also be easier to use - in Ace Combat it's just lock, wait a few seconds, and click right mouse. Compare this to War Thunder where the sequence is more like lock with mouse button, turn on seeker head, power up electronics, fuel the missile, turn on this doohickey, turn on that doodad, adjust the radar range, lock radar target, then fire missile. Two buttons versus ten. Making this even harder is the fact that there's no tutorial for the more advanced equipment, so you have to learn on your feet, including what the controls are, what everything does, etcetera. Meanwhile you're either not earning SL and RP or you're losing them by the millions while you practice. Another thing that I find even more frustrating is the campers. War Thunder players, especially in certain eSports guilds like GUUD, love, love, LOVE to spawncamp you in Arcade. Over on the old WT forums a huge thread had happened with people complaining about it, it got so enormous that it was eventually made a pinned thread. And on this thread, the people would always yell at you if you dared to complain about their spawncamping, saying nonsense things like "Oh just dive away" (which would make it easier for the camper, especially when using guided missiles) or saying "but it's a real-world tactic!" despite War Thunder being a video game and not real-world. That excuse ("real-world tactic") may fly in the Simulator modes, but it's got no place in Arcade. Speaking of spawncampers, airfield defenses STILL don't work and spawncampers can camp your airfield and airborne spawn points without any kind of danger, resulting in you dying just as you spawn in. Finally, I dislike that there's no "true" PvE mode. While there are modes such as the Assault horde-type defend-against-waves-of-AI battles for both air and ground, you can't use the RP/SL boosters you get in the game in these modes, they simply don't count even if you have the boosters active. What the game really needs is an equivalent to the standard battle mode and maps where you can use SL/RP boosters but the red team is all bots instead of humans. This part isn't such a big deal with WT, but it is quite an annoyance.

Playing with friends is actually so good. Especially when they come to lower level to help you grind. And nothing beats goofing around with level 1 heli with friends. I do recommend to buy the premium when hitting around 6.0-7.0, during sales, and once. 40 buckles for one year and you can have at least a full tree, and considering how good the game is 40 euros investment isnt much for a once in a lifetime purchase.

For me... I love playing with underrated tanks and making weird tanks work

I think it would have been good to also compare peoples most played game modes to their enjoyment. I started the game before tanks were even in the game, took a several year break, and recently came back. When i started, me and my friend would mostly play ARB and it was so frustrating to take several minutes climbing and getting to the fight just to get set on fire by the one bullet that hit you in a dogfight. GRB you get to the fight faster, and you will generally get multiple chances to contribute. You also get to see more of your lineup, so more variety and fun imo

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

i have this data as well, i could possibly make a video about it soon

I have 800 hours in War Thunder, and I personally love the game, but goddamn do I wish it was pay to play sometimes. I'm primarily an Air RB player, so fighting against premium vehicles can be incredibly frustrating, especially when said vehicles are given completely unnecessary advantages that make them op. A prime example of this is the XP-50, which has an air spawn despite having a climb rate of 20 m/s, which is comparable to some variants of the Bf 109 and Spitfire. It just sucks having these very one sided engagements where if the premium pilot knows what they're doing, they're damn near untouchable. And then there's the cost of purchasing vehicles, which adds to the already insane grind. It took me almost 300 hours of daily playtime to get my first jet. I just wish I could have something similar or the exact same to WT, except with a 40 dollar price tag, only a third to a quarter of the current grind, and most of the premium stuff either removed or balanced.

@Wubb333

8 ай бұрын

i feel that there are pros and cons to being a paid game, but the pros definitely outweigh the cons

Honestly today I returned to this game after deleting it and not playing for a month and a half. I was pretty burnt out and just didn't want to play it because each time I tried to play I would go into a match with a overly pessimistic look at it and that would inevitably make me perform bad. Today I decided to pick it up again and gridn to get the Turan 3. And just that really. I've been enjoying myself though I have my moments of pure anger.

bro the video ended and then a war thunder ad played XD

Nothing like it as far as vehicle combat goes I think a better co op with more dynamic missions will ease the stress of PvP

If you have ever watched phlydaily daily, that is one of the reasons I still play. Every time I que up, I feel exited knowing I might have a good luck day and get to play with him. I also love playing with some of my favorite tanks which, thankfully, are usually only up to BR 6.0 so not as much grind, but I still want to get leopards to play with. I love playing with friends but they have taken a long break as the game is not to fun for them anymore. Those are my reasons to still play.

A great write up, seems like almost the polar opposite of a game like Hell Let Loose, that infuriates all new players due to the complicated mechanics and insta death. Once players learn HOW to play the game its a very enjoyable experience. Looking forward to more of your videos.

I haven't played in a while but I remember I've unlocked MiG15 (doesn't handle well and has terrible guns) and on the other team I see F4 or German MiG21, I was dead before it even started and it happened all the time and each time you gotta pay a lot to fix it. If someone has pushed through tell me when does that hell end

One of the rare game with realistic damage model and performance that is not a hardsim, that got a playerbase large enought so you dont play with the same 20 people again and again and/or wait 3min for a game. Game wich are quick and intense enought to not get bored nor feel rushed. In short , despite all it s ballancing flaw and gring, it s a combination of realistic yet accesible gamplay with game quick enought that it s not bothersome, not found elswere.

I love war thunder even tho I don’t play it anymore. The length of the grind, br system, repair cost’s and a few other things turned me away. I don’t enjoy slaving away 8 hours a day for 3 months to finally get the vehicle I want to actually play nor do i like the feeling of anxiety or being pressured to “do good” or else I’ll loose money (SE) and possible progress. It’s just a perpetual cycle when you get to a certain point.

I was playing the game yesterday and I was about to shoot a Tiger in the side who was coming around the corner. To my surprise the hitbox of the corner span about half a meter away from the actual wall. Needless to say, I was not very delighted.