Walter Hagenah's R4M rocket attack on six P-51 Mustangs - 10th April 1945

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On 10th April 1945, Me 262 pilot Leutnant Walter Hagenah took off with his wingman to intercept an American bomber formation. En route, the two jets were attacked by US fighters, with Hagenah’s wingman being shot down. After avoiding this attack, Hagenah was able to ambush the same P-51’s, reportedly using his R4M unguided rockets to shoot down two of the fighters, although only one is credited to him on this day. Hagenah then returned to base under the noses of another group of American fighters strafing the airfield.
According to US sources, there is little to no evidence that this event ever occurred. Similarly, Hagenah’s victories were not confirmed by JG 7 in the desperate last days of the war. As such, it is difficult to corroborate the event with such conflicting accounts. However, I have endeavoured to create this video as it is an interesting and rare aspect of the WWII air war.
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Sources:
Forsyth, Robert. Me 262 vs P-51 Mustang (Duel)
Forsyth, Robert. Jagdgeschwader 7 'Novotny' (Aviation Elite Units)
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US and German records: • The ME-262: How effect...
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  • @blucheer8743
    @blucheer87432 жыл бұрын

    The ME262 is just simply one of the most beautiful designs ever… it just has a perfection to it

  • @bernhardecklin7005

    @bernhardecklin7005

    2 жыл бұрын

    Schwalbe in german, means Swallow. No other name would ever fit an airplane so well.

  • @obivankeno2068

    @obivankeno2068

    2 жыл бұрын

    Real aerial Shark

  • @andrewelliott4436

    @andrewelliott4436

    2 жыл бұрын

    And the RAF's Vampires and Vulcans. Beautiful designs to look at.

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN

    @DANTHETUBEMAN

    2 жыл бұрын

    it's my second favorite plane after the Horton 229 flying wing.

  • @theblytonian3906

    @theblytonian3906

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewelliott4436 Nope. Neither in the same aesthetic class as the Me 262A-1a. The Vampire was outright ugly, .Vulcan I'll give 4/5 stars for its unique aesthetic, but I never really liked its lines myself. I always preferred the look of the Victor.of the era's three V bombers. The de Havilland Comet OTOH was an aesthetically magnificent looking design. Of course, ultimately the eye of the beholder dictates individual perception.

  • @spudeleven5124
    @spudeleven5124 Жыл бұрын

    Walter knew my former girlfriend's father who was also a 262 pilot with 5 victories at the very end of the war. RIP Walter, RIP Dietrich. You were brave men.

  • @finnish5794

    @finnish5794

    Жыл бұрын

    Based german

  • @cv507

    @cv507

    11 ай бұрын

    and my uncle vvöz ^?^

  • @BruceWayne_87

    @BruceWayne_87

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@cv507you have no uncle here son!

  • @guaporeturns9472

    @guaporeturns9472

    3 ай бұрын

    @@finnish5794Basic fool

  • @gilbertomolina2177

    @gilbertomolina2177

    Ай бұрын

    Son ? 😮

  • @douglasadams6024
    @douglasadams60242 жыл бұрын

    my grandfather was a B 17 pilot had 26 missions over germany and france, he told me he witnessed a "pack of those rocket planes" ( as he described them) absolutley destory an entire air squadron of B 24s, that had been escorted by P51s just a few minutes earlier, he said they came on the them so fast they never saw them coming and they were armed with rockets and cannons, he also said the climbed so fast it was unbelivable as they had no knowledge of the planes existence what so ever, he said by the time they "went to guns" it was to late, the "rocket planes" also took out 3 B17s as they made the last pass, he noticed 1 of them was on fire, smoking from one engine and bieng doggedly pursued by a badly damaged P 51, it to was smoking heavily and coming apart in pieces.....those guy had some guts!

  • @DANTHETUBEMAN

    @DANTHETUBEMAN

    2 жыл бұрын

    great story a jet pilot send we fly at them so fast we don't have time to use machine guns, big changes for everyone

  • @davidrandall9964

    @davidrandall9964

    2 жыл бұрын

    My grandfather Hermann Rudolph flew ME262’s right at the end of WW2. For. For the most of the War he flew Stukas and then ME109’s. He never stopped talking about 109’s.

  • @klauswigsmith

    @klauswigsmith

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@davidrandall9964 The 109 has more aerial kills than any other aircraft in history. It's literally the best fighter plane ever made.

  • @sonoftherabbitpeople4737

    @sonoftherabbitpeople4737

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Germans did have a rocket plane also. It was powered by rocket engines, not jet engines. Look up Me-163. Could be your grandfather meant them. They traveled very fast but could only stay in action a very short time because it burned through its fuel quickly.

  • @markb3806

    @markb3806

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sonoftherabbitpeople4737 I don't think the ME-163 ever had that kind of success. It was difficult to get them massed against a bomber formation due to their short flight time (they were essentially a high speed glider). I am surprised how accurate unguided rockets shot from ME-262 were as they were not all that accurate in the air to ground role (see Remagan Bridge); I suspect they didn't have to actually hit their target to cause damage.

  • @jenniferkelly6931
    @jenniferkelly6931 Жыл бұрын

    What an impressive combat bird so ahead of its time.....in spite of the lack of fuel, the airfields raided, the rookie pikots, the factories bombed round the clock...they still managed to launch into combat such magnificent jets ! Respect.

  • @fado792

    @fado792

    Жыл бұрын

    Respect??The war postponed 30 minutes longer so they could kill 1000 Jewish people more. Walter was only playing.

  • @Mr.TonyClifton

    @Mr.TonyClifton

    Жыл бұрын

    They used 10,000 forced laborers, 3,000 of which died to construct a underground site inside a mountain to build a small number of these ME262. Respect? Nah! kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6aN166NcciyY9Y.html

  • @rickkatz2214
    @rickkatz22142 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much for this series. I have read about many of these missions and it is a great joy to watch these very accurate recreations.

  • @AndecIunson
    @AndecIunson Жыл бұрын

    one of my mothers uncles was an ace in ww2. he started fighting in russia but was quickly transferred to the mediterranean and afrika. he was wounded and spent some recouping time in germany, though i'm not sure this was what he was actually doing as i've been told by my father who got to talk to him about his time in the luftwaffe that he was one of the testflyers for the Me262. after that he fought in europe to the wars end. he was a Gruppenfürer in JG27 at the end of the war and stayed a couple of years in the new west germany luftwaffe before he became a civilian. i've only met him once and i had no idea about this at that time, and my fascination with flying came after my meeting with him. i would have loved to talk to him about this while he lived.. I haven't been able to find much information on his actions beside where he was stationed and what his credited kills were.... a cool thing is that i think. is that he at different moments flew with both Bubi and Erich Hartmann.. If i remember correctly i think he was at one point Rote 2 with Hartmann.

  • @samspencer582

    @samspencer582

    Жыл бұрын

    He was a real hero your mothers uncle.

  • @Thomas-dr4ro

    @Thomas-dr4ro

    2 ай бұрын

    Bubi and Erich Hartmann are the same person. Bubi was Erich Hartmann's nickname

  • @AndecIunson

    @AndecIunson

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Thomas-dr4ro ahh.. there you go.. my knowledge of the German language is quite poor so when I heard this from my kin I misunderstood it as 2 persons. Lol.

  • @tavis1119
    @tavis1119 Жыл бұрын

    American and british always denied german victories especially concerning victories obtained with the ME-262, trying to diminish the effectiveness of the technically superior 262,but the superioriority of the aircraft shines by itself.

  • @marciacunningham5877
    @marciacunningham58772 жыл бұрын

    When I saw that photo of Hagenah, I yelled "What the f------!!!" He was the absolute spitting image of me when I was 25. He was about the same age as my dad. Michael

  • @frankbottoms8655

    @frankbottoms8655

    2 жыл бұрын

    I was thinking it looked like you as well!… give me a call, I think your car has an extended warranty…

  • @phatbusted

    @phatbusted

    2 жыл бұрын

    Actually, he looks like 2 guys i know ... here in Malaysia - Ur younger self seems to hv a number of lookalikes :D

  • @austingode

    @austingode

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@frankbottoms8655 haha 😆

  • @alejandrovargas7592
    @alejandrovargas75922 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the absolutely super animation. Terrific quality.

  • @17cmmittlererminenwerfer81
    @17cmmittlererminenwerfer812 жыл бұрын

    Thumbs up for the use of complete markings.

  • @davidfans5852
    @davidfans58522 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, love these stories, these games like IL2s looks perfect when you add some storylines to it

  • @vornamenachname8783
    @vornamenachname87832 жыл бұрын

    I am German. It is always some fight between hating the war and being ashamed for what happened. On the oher hand we invented hitech stuff like heat seaking ground to air missiles and jets what came very late when the Allies had grown much stronger. German Engineering at least, beside all dirty of the war, proofed that it was ahead in some areas.

  • @martyyoung3611

    @martyyoung3611

    Жыл бұрын

    No reason to be ashamed. National Socialist Germany was trying to save Europe from communism. Men from every European country joined them in that fight. Unfortunately, they failed to save Europe and, ultimately, the world from that murderous ideology.

  • @thomaswayneward

    @thomaswayneward

    Жыл бұрын

    Never be ashamed of Germany. All nations do bad things in war.

  • @nikelegend77

    @nikelegend77

    Жыл бұрын

    ahem. jewish engineering

  • @johngreylove1359

    @johngreylove1359

    Жыл бұрын

    In your dreams

  • @jancasuper

    @jancasuper

    Жыл бұрын

    @@johngreylove1359 your dreams, on the other hand, such as getting to the moon first, you realised by stealing Von Braun's rocket technology.....

  • @Retverm
    @Retverm2 жыл бұрын

    Great to see a portrayal of an ME262 in action. Please continue with these excellent videos!

  • @CollectorChronicles
    @CollectorChronicles2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful work. I would love to see a video like this with Arado’s. Subscribed!

  • @sotocinematics

    @sotocinematics

    2 жыл бұрын

    I plan to do the Ar 234 Remagen air attack when the Arado is released

  • @andrepython5540

    @andrepython5540

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sotocinematics On se réjouit déjà de voir cette vidéo sur Remagen. Bravo pour le job. 👍👌

  • @beyond_the_infinite2098
    @beyond_the_infinite20982 жыл бұрын

    That was an awesome video! Thank you.

  • @LuisFilipeDVentura
    @LuisFilipeDVentura2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent cinematics!

  • @pedronunez4507
    @pedronunez45072 жыл бұрын

    Este aparato, el 262. Era infinitamente superior a todo lo conocido, pero, tarde y en pequeña cantidad no pudo cumplir con su destino. No obstante queda clara su categoría y su Gloria.

  • @bohumilhumpolik189

    @bohumilhumpolik189

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hz jų

  • @bohumilhumpolik189

    @bohumilhumpolik189

    2 жыл бұрын

    J

  • @rayoargento

    @rayoargento

    Жыл бұрын

    Coincido , llego tarde al conflicto, tanto bombardeo aliado demoro su entrada en accion

  • @alaindaubresse2161

    @alaindaubresse2161

    Ай бұрын

    Pas beaucoup plus rapide que les p51 et spitfire en plus faible autonomie et pas très maniable

  • @MGB-learning
    @MGB-learning2 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @tonyelberg7814
    @tonyelberg78142 жыл бұрын

    Cool stuff mate 👍, keep em coming 😃👍👍👍

  • @Buck123four
    @Buck123four Жыл бұрын

    What a BEAUTIFUL airplane.

  • @likklej8
    @likklej82 жыл бұрын

    Any chance of one on the Gloster Meteor which saw active service in July 44 with 616 Squadron? Loved the ME 262 information.

  • @yattaran1484
    @yattaran14842 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting this. Big surprise to know R4M rocket was effective against such small turget like P-51 fighter. 🤔

  • @norigibson
    @norigibson2 жыл бұрын

    Interesting story and the graphics are so lifelike it's like you are there. Thanks.

  • @MiguelAngel-bx9tl
    @MiguelAngel-bx9tl2 жыл бұрын

    Amazing work, thanks Saludos desde México

  • @frankchilds9848
    @frankchilds98482 жыл бұрын

    Very well done 👏 I have deep respect for the German pilots 👏 👍

  • @dr.wilfriedhitzler1885

    @dr.wilfriedhitzler1885

    2 жыл бұрын

    The first Jet-Pilots in the world.

  • @TopSecretVid

    @TopSecretVid

    2 жыл бұрын

    My Grandfather was a Stuka pilot🤙🤙🤙

  • @marcolfo100

    @marcolfo100

    2 жыл бұрын

    I am always with fighters,bombers are only murderers

  • @FSousa-hu8ko

    @FSousa-hu8ko

    2 жыл бұрын

    Pilotos alemães que se danem, assassinos.

  • @mikepette4422

    @mikepette4422

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@marcolfo100 i agree but they are at the end of the day just mostly boys told by old men what to do and where to go kill and eventually die since being a bomber crew was dangerous.

  • @daveverster7483
    @daveverster74832 жыл бұрын

    Very possibly the first air to air engagement where another aircraft was shot down by rockets instead of guns,as was the norm during the war.

  • @kaa8643

    @kaa8643

    Жыл бұрын

    In the battle of the Y-29, USAAF Captain Melvyn Paisley shot down Fw190 with M10 Rocket.

  • @asd36f
    @asd36f Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic graphics!

  • @ashleelmb
    @ashleelmb Жыл бұрын

    'Hagenahs rocket victories are unconfirmed' Probably because no one on the allies side ever wanted to give any Germans any credit for the success or bravery they had fighting for their own side, that's why.

  • @tobysirus4996
    @tobysirus4996 Жыл бұрын

    What a rush it must have been for these pilots to feel the thrust and speed of the Me 262 after flying propeller driven aircraft.Ill bet they smiled while their hearts pounded like a victorious falcon .

  • @theblytonian3906

    @theblytonian3906

    Жыл бұрын

    In one sense climbing, in cruise and attacking yes, but the Me 262 was plagued by the myriad of problems afflicting production in Germany under the dire circumstances also came with its own vulnerabilities. Those Jumo (early jet) engines took a long time to spool up. Initial acceleration is super sluggish. They were fragile, and so couldn't be flogged like a PE could, = advanced experience & skills required. They must have been a TT handling nightmare. Fuel type, quality and supply. Particularly vulnerable on the ground, during takeoff, circuit, approach and landing, which is where the filth prioritised preying upon them.

  • @Dalesmanable
    @Dalesmanable2 жыл бұрын

    Despite the lack of evidence and the often mistaken (and sometimes dishonest) victory claims, this could very well have happened. All Mustang losses that day may have been attributed to flak and mechanical failure but such rocket strikes whilst flying along straight and level would seem very much like flak explosions.

  • @joebl0w67

    @joebl0w67

    2 жыл бұрын

    at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses. compare that with the US system of (probable kills and half kills) so theatrically a pilot could become an ace despite the fact he has never shot down a single plane

  • @Dalesmanable

    @Dalesmanable

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joebl0w67 Alas, as much as the various claim systems tried to be accurate, analyses of actual vs claimed losses showed they all suffered from over-counting, typically by 50/100%. Germany’s directive 55270/41 was comprehensive but does not hold up well in post war analyses. There are many articles and studies on this, but discussion tends to be dominated by biases rather than facts. This should not, of course, take away from the bravery and frequent sacrifice of the aircrew involved.

  • @joebl0w67

    @joebl0w67

    2 жыл бұрын

    That' sounds true thanks for your input

  • @Pokafalva

    @Pokafalva

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joebl0w67 '...at that time the luftwaffe kept meticulous records and the conformation for aerial kills meant multiple witnesses. ground conformation plus I think at least 2 air combat witnesses...' No they didn't. Show me the records for Hartmann for example from the middle of 1944 onwards... He is one example of a serial overclaimer in the last 12 months of the war...

  • @steffenrosmus9177

    @steffenrosmus9177

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Pokafalva you do not know German bureaucracy. I think they were lost on the last month of the war. And overclaiming came per order from Göring or Göbbels.

  • @tonkool4736
    @tonkool4736 Жыл бұрын

    Beautifully made...

  • @ashwinranganath4751
    @ashwinranganath47512 жыл бұрын

    Amazing job

  • @Tam0de
    @Tam0de2 жыл бұрын

    Such an innovative, game-breaking design, that Me-262 - the world's first ever fighter jet. Can't imagine the confusion & trepidation felt by the first Allied pilots to encounter it in a dogfight. Just imagine: this menacing-looking jet that's faster than anything available at the time, with its powerful cannons...geez. And here's the kicker, it doesn't have a propeller at the front! No doubt in my mind that if the Me-262 was widely available in large numbers at the start of the war, at the hands of Luftwaffe's skilled pilots, Hitler wins. Having complete air superiority is critical in any war.

  • @ptauagpt

    @ptauagpt

    2 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately for the Germans Hitler pushed for more bomber type airfract. If the programs for increased output of the ME 262s was 1 year or earlier could have made a differnece in the air war. Air superiority at Kursk could perhaps made a difference .Effective allied 1943 bomber formations could have been stopped or wiped out.

  • @ianlacey6588

    @ianlacey6588

    2 жыл бұрын

    You can dig it out but Frank Whittle remained bitter that if the Air Ministry had supported him from the start then the UK would have had jets in the 1930s. He reckoned the Luftwaffe would have had explain to H that they would never get air superiority and therefore forget WW2.

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Me262 was much slower than the Gloster Meteor but the Allies didn’t want to risk a Meteor being captured so they were forbidden from flying over German lines.

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ptauagpt Functional engines for the Me262 didn’t arrive until 1944 - by which time the Gloster Meteor was also operational having first flown in 1942.

  • @hans-1940

    @hans-1940

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allangibson2408 The first flight of the prototype took place on March 5, 1943. The Gloster didn't actually get out of the test phase during World War II. The Gloster Meteor suffered from a tendency for instability around the yaw axis (so-called snaking) at Mach numbers of 0.74 and higher, probably caused by flow separation at the relatively thick tailplane profile. The Tommys didn't even manage to build in a reasonable armament. Their cannons had so many jams that they could not shoot down a German aircraft until the end of the war.

  • @mikevolante7663
    @mikevolante76632 жыл бұрын

    The P51 was probably the most advanced piston fighter of the war, and a truly great plane. Thanks to the Merlin engine, it went from average Joe, to top dog. But even then, it wouldn't have faired much better than the Spit, but for its amazing long range ability that really set it apart. The Merlin was a major factor in the Alled victory without doubt.

  • @geraldshearon7264

    @geraldshearon7264

    2 жыл бұрын

    "The allied victory" was truly a Soviet victory. The Germans were devastated, but still gave the US fits, in site of being the Germans choice in conquerors. If not for the Normandy Invasion, Western Europe would have been a Soviet territory. Doubtful they would start up a war with England IF England ignored Europe. Doubtful the Soviets would have driven Japan out of Manchuria.

  • @psav7

    @psav7

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it wasn't. Not even close to the best Engine -Fighters.

  • @jeremyohara5707

    @jeremyohara5707

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@geraldshearon7264 England was and is not a soverign nation. You mean Britain.

  • @tomh9807

    @tomh9807

    2 жыл бұрын

    And would have the germans not attacked the Russians and had more ME262, they would have run the allied into the ocean.

  • @tomh9807

    @tomh9807

    2 жыл бұрын

    @MickeyMouseLovesPam BS

  • @jayhopkins6990
    @jayhopkins6990 Жыл бұрын

    The quality of the this video is fantastic thanks a lot really enjoyed it have a great day..

  • @slehar
    @slehar2 жыл бұрын

    Wow! SUBSCRIBED!

  • @gordonaverageguy9556
    @gordonaverageguy95562 жыл бұрын

    Dirt runway is a mistake - they did not operate from them. The target of the bombers that day was Me 262 airfields, known as "Silberplatz" due to their nice runways and ground support, lacking from these dirt fields.

  • @vladimirkroutov3310

    @vladimirkroutov3310

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely correct, not to mention during wet and humid springtime, when the ground is saturated with water.

  • @MXB2001

    @MXB2001

    2 жыл бұрын

    That also struck me as unlikely. 190's were designed for dirt strips but the 262 was a thoroughbred and needed long hard runways.

  • @allangibson2408

    @allangibson2408

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Me262 could and was operated from dirt runways. They did however set fire to the grass exposing their position, so the preferred operating strip in the late war was the autobahn where the bridges offered effective cover.

  • @gordonaverageguy9556

    @gordonaverageguy9556

    Жыл бұрын

    @@allangibson2408 I have a copy of one of those recce photos with the curious "J" shaped scorch marks from the 262 launches, but it was the nosegear fragility that put an immediate end to those very early operations. I knew 262 pilots for years and it was only the test pilots that did a grass takeoff. (plus Welter's famous landing at Juterbog-Waldlager / grass Bf 109 airfield when his oxygen system failed). His squadron is the one that was taken to the Autobahn, but its not what you think -- Burg had just been obliterated, so the Army / Heer got orders to activate the "fortress Magdeburg plan" which called for hardening of the region in preparation of the inevitable arrival of Allied ground forces. Part of that was converting the nearby 'Bahn to military use, in this case temporary housing for displaced aircraft that were still serviceable. Welter's men worked all night (I hosted the squadron's only post-war reunion in 2001 in Speyer, Germany) to drag his undamaged aircraft from the woods next to Burg-bei-Magdeburg's smoldering ruins to their next fall-back location, destined to be Lubeck. The attack on their base also signaled the end of Mosquito attacks on Berlin, so they were technically out of a job but they didn't know it yet, so everyone just kept going through the motions. That meant keeping their priceless jets together, and functional, as long as possible as the collapse of their country happened all around them. The 'Bahn flights were quite limited - I know Neppach and I think Jorg and one other member of Kommando Welter took off from the Autobahn, so that means Becker did too. But that wasn't for a mission, that was to relocate to Lubeck, in daylight, on the flight where both Jorg and Becker got porked. So no, they weren't operating from the Autobahn, it was like an emergency stop on their general retreat that ended at Schleswig. Sorry for the text wall, but the TLDR is no, they didn't operate from the autobahn.

  • @cannonfodder4376
    @cannonfodder43762 жыл бұрын

    And I thought memeing fighters with rockets is a War Thunder thing. Another excellent video.

  • @PORRRIDGE_GUN

    @PORRRIDGE_GUN

    2 жыл бұрын

    War Thunder is for kids. IL2 or DCS is the state of the art.

  • @nuubiesaibot8339

    @nuubiesaibot8339

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PORRRIDGE_GUN indeed ,

  • @68pishta68

    @68pishta68

    2 жыл бұрын

    Try WW2 Aces for the Wii (!) you fly a Meteor and armed with rockets, you can decimate FW190's all day. Of course its super easy but fun as the learning curve is about 3 minutes. Ive never tried it on HARD setting. The Ba 349 'Natter' would have been an all rocket (propulsion and weapons) vertically launched last effort weapon. Didn't even have landing gear. Probably would have been a Hitler Youth suicide vehicle, one and done. Fire your batch salvo rocket load at a formation, clear and bale out.

  • @danielvarga3598
    @danielvarga35986 ай бұрын

    That was one of the first second generation warplane. (With the english Gloster Meteor). But the german Me262 had axial compressors and modern winged shape. That was the true way of modern flying.This is verry goog animation. Congratulations.

  • @aldosigmann419
    @aldosigmann419 Жыл бұрын

    Exciting encounter - great animation!

  • @Loulovesspeed
    @Loulovesspeed2 жыл бұрын

    While there are apparently some challenges as to whether this conflict ever happened, I can relate a P-51/Me 262 engagement that absolutely did occur! An American P-51 pilot named John Cooper Fitch was one of, if not the first American to shoot down a 262. As was typically the case, the P-51 caught the 262 off guard as he was attempting a take off and shot him out of the air. John would chuckle a bit and then say well, they got even by shooting me down sometime afterwards. He was strafing a German supply train and made the mistake of taking a third pass at it, but The German anti aircraft guns were ready by then. John spent a couple of months as a POW before the war ended. Coincidentally, John was a sports car racer, one of the first Americans to race in Europe after the war. He was so good that Mercedes recognized his talents and hired him as a works driver. He was the only American to be hired by the German auto maker! I knew John well, speaking with him multiple times at The Historic Festival at Lime Rock Park road course in Northwestern Connecticut, USA. He was always a joy to speak with and displayed such wonderful speaking skills. Engineering skills also ran in his blood as his namesake relative invented the steam boat. John had 15 patents to his name, the most noteworthy being the Fitch Safety Barriers used around bridge abutments to absorb impact forces of cars making contact at speed. They are credited with saving many thousands of lives. A great man that I will be forever thankful that I knew. RIP John.

  • @wicky656

    @wicky656

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice story about John Cooper Fitch.. Without this info, men like him don't get the credits and will be forgotten in time. It must have been fearsome to fight an Me262 with 4 x 30mm Guns and R4m rockets..

  • @miklosdankaid.4279

    @miklosdankaid.4279

    2 жыл бұрын

    Rrrrdddy😝ö

  • @jogman262

    @jogman262

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeager shot his down the opposite way, as it was approaching for landing.

  • @erebus8579

    @erebus8579

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's kind of easy to claim a victory over an Me 262 by shooting it down during takeoff or landing! The real talent is to successfully shoot it down in flight in a dogfight!

  • @Loulovesspeed

    @Loulovesspeed

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@erebus8579 - In war, you don't care how you get it, a victory is a victory and one less enemy plane and pilot at times! Your last sentence makes little sense at all. It has less to do with talent than it does with a superior aircraft.

  • @andersholmstrom3571
    @andersholmstrom3571 Жыл бұрын

    The ME262 is absolutely beutiful. A masterpiee of it´s time

  • @robmiller1964
    @robmiller19642 жыл бұрын

    Good work ANZAC Mate!

  • @mauromendes500
    @mauromendes5002 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic, congrats!

  • @fload46d
    @fload46d2 жыл бұрын

    While the US fighters generally could not keep up with the 262, they would wait until they landed and then attack them.

  • @maxrpm2215
    @maxrpm22152 жыл бұрын

    Victors write the history books and the vanquished are condemned for eternity

  • @Pokafalva

    @Pokafalva

    2 жыл бұрын

    We should all forget about the excellent German writers on WW2, then? The likes of Jochen Prien, Hans Ring, Michael Meyer, Paul Stipdonk, Gerhard Stemmer, Winfred Bock. Your contention doesn't hold water...

  • @williamzk9083

    @williamzk9083

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Pokafalva But the stories of others is hidden because they didn't meet political criteria.

  • @Pokafalva

    @Pokafalva

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@williamzk9083 What are the stories that are hidden because they didn't meet political criteria? Your reply is very vague...

  • @tekay44

    @tekay44

    2 жыл бұрын

    in this case they should be condemned.

  • @tekay44

    @tekay44

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Pokafalva how many incredible stories, works of art, music, love, life, laughter was taken from the world by these pricks, no sympathy for them at all.

  • @warrendargusch5873
    @warrendargusch5873 Жыл бұрын

    What an exciting narration!

  • @Elfunko99x
    @Elfunko99x2 жыл бұрын

    Cool vid 👍

  • @TheIndianalain
    @TheIndianalain2 жыл бұрын

    The probability of hitting such a relatively small target with unguided rockets, even fired in a salvo, was certainly very low... Nice video anyway. In the Deutsches Museum in Munich there is a ME 262 equipped with R4M launchers. To my big surprise they were made out of wood!

  • @sotocinematics

    @sotocinematics

    2 жыл бұрын

    Case in point, I tried about 30 times before I actually hit those 2 planes!

  • @TheIndianalain

    @TheIndianalain

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sotocinematics that's dedication!

  • @Decybello

    @Decybello

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Alain Michel - i've read your comment and stopped for a spit second, thinking...... "i hope he meant, that launchers, not R4Ms are made out of wood..."🤣

  • @PORRRIDGE_GUN

    @PORRRIDGE_GUN

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MothaLuva No. They were fitted with fuses that detonated after a certain flight time/distance. The Nazis never developed a proximity fuse despite work begun in the early 1930s, which was not pursued to a conclusion. The proximity fuse was originally an imperfect British invention from 1940 shared with the US who developed it into an effective weapon by late 1942. It was one of the allies best kept secrets, up there with the Manhattan Project and Colossus and Bletchley Park But you are right about the 'shotgun' or 'beaten zone' effect of the R4M. If deployed and fired correctly, it was an effective weapon which could break up formations, making gun attacks by 262 and other fighters easier.

  • @MothaLuva

    @MothaLuva

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@PORRRIDGE_GUN Agree, my bad. The R4M was equipped with a percussion fuse, and the Germans were additionally experimenting with a combined percussion/time fuse which was in development and under evaluation. To my surprise, it was actually really relying in hitting a target directly.

  • @AudieHolland
    @AudieHolland Жыл бұрын

    My take on it: it was tricky to get a hit by firing even a bunch of R4M rockets at bombers because you had to fire at an angle, as all rockets in those days could not fly straight and level but would drop rather sooner than later. But for a veteran German pilot, who was lucky, as he said himself, it may have been do-able, even if it was once, at a bunch unsuspecting Allied fighters. The moment they knew they were in the sights of an Me 262, they would have started evading and then you'd never get even a single one. This may have actually happened once, but the Allies kept it hush hush so as not to influence the morale of their fighter pilots. And they could almost guarantee it would never happen again, so fighter tactics need not be changed. As we see in this video, German fighter pilots airbases were under constant attack and in the last few days of the war, even all throughout the day, making take-offs and landings by daring German pilots certain suicide. Adolf Galland, in command of the last Me-262 fighter squadron, was transferred with his unit to Salzburg in Austria, late April 1945. Here he found the Allied fighter planes were not even attacking anymore, just flying circles over their airfield, hoping that the US ground forces would seize the base and its remaining Me-262s intact. I believe the Me-262s were grounded because of lack of fuel or spare parts. As US tanks started rolling down the runway, the Germans quickly destroyed the last possibly operational Me-262s of the war. There were a lot (hundreds) of unused Me-262s still in the factories though so taking a few to ship them to the US and testing them there was no problem.

  • @theoriginalt-paine3776
    @theoriginalt-paine3776 Жыл бұрын

    What do you use to make these videos? Is it just one of the many video games, like War Thunder perhaps? Or it some good at home CGI rendering software? The production value looks pretty good to me, and I really enjoy these.

  • @sotocinematics

    @sotocinematics

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, I use IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles il2sturmovik.com/

  • @stevel1475
    @stevel14752 жыл бұрын

    Entertaining recreation of events.

  • @robertajennings3815
    @robertajennings38152 жыл бұрын

    This is a cool aircraft years ahead of its time,,,helped spearhead design but to late in the war,,,,it was already lost.....

  • @samspencer582
    @samspencer582 Жыл бұрын

    Best fighter plane in WW2. Sad that it came too late though.

  • @diegocristianpolastri6349
    @diegocristianpolastri63494 ай бұрын

    Beautiful design!

  • @RemusKingOfRome
    @RemusKingOfRome2 жыл бұрын

    Excellent.

  • @PORRRIDGE_GUN
    @PORRRIDGE_GUN2 жыл бұрын

    If you fly IL2, Battle of Bodenplatte, the 262 armed with R4M rockets is pretty devastating in the ground attack role, especially against artillery, railcars. locomotives and other soft skinned vehicles.

  • @williamzk9083

    @williamzk9083

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can't remember which Me 262 ace but he said the 30mm MK108 canon were effective against tanks. He simply targeted engine louvers on the rear of the tank and the cannon shells blast concussions and incendiary effect destroyed the engine.

  • @ilmaio

    @ilmaio

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was basically useless as a multirole attack bomber, because the pilot couldnt really see anything below the aircraft. But as a pure air superiority dogfighter, instead, it could outrun basically everything of that age. It was not made in sufficent numbers and was not properly used for air defense as it should, but if it would, it could have made a big difference.

  • @williamzk9083

    @williamzk9083

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ilmaio The Me 262 would have had two ways to deliver bombs accurately. The first was electronic ones. The EGON blind bombing system could be used by single seat fighters and so could the Zyklops beam riding blimd bombing system. All these systems were used by the Fw 190 and Arado Ar 234. The new Lutwaffe IFF "Neuling" had in built capability for blind bombing. There were some issues with bombs slip streaming of the bombs but probably could be handled by bombing a moderate speed (440mph) pending the development of longer racks or positive ejection. -The other was the TSA2D toss bombing sight. The pilot entered into a dive and lined up the target. The bomb sight took in altitude, variometer descent rate, and if available FuG 101a radar altimeter. A busser sounded, pilot conducts a pull up and accelerometer tracks position and TSA2D automatically releases bombs at right time in pull up. The sight was tested on both Fw 190 and Me 262 and actually seems to have seen use in combat by KG51. The sight worked well with the jet due to less vibraion affecting the acceleromter. Of course in June 6 1944 neither the bomb sight TSA2D or the Jumo 004B engines were ready.

  • @airshark2764

    @airshark2764

    Жыл бұрын

    i think the R4M is meant to take down large bomber formations, they are very small for ground attacks however the WFr GR would be suitable

  • @urbansoldier1
    @urbansoldier1 Жыл бұрын

    imagine this was a us "thing" we would have a hollywood movie of that with brad pit or harrison ford. 🤣 but so it was only a brave german pilot and only we here in youtube give him the salut he truly earned...... horrido lt. hagenah

  • @the-primered-thumb
    @the-primered-thumb2 жыл бұрын

    Ace mate 😉👍

  • @AKHKCZplus
    @AKHKCZplus2 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff!

  • @NRG1985
    @NRG19852 жыл бұрын

    3:05 is that firing distance realistic according to the report?

  • @sotocinematics

    @sotocinematics

    2 жыл бұрын

    The report states about 500m, but I fired from closer for the video.

  • @hertzair1186
    @hertzair11862 жыл бұрын

    Would like to see a video on Hans-Guido Mütke’s supersonic dive on P-51’s in his ME-262 where he apparently became the first man to fly supersonic….you can read about it in Wikipedia under his name . His ME-262 is still in a Swiss air museum.

  • @raypurchase801

    @raypurchase801

    2 жыл бұрын

    The 262 was thoroughly tested by the allies after the war. Reaching Mach 1 in a 262 was impossible. The 262 would go into uncontrollable gyrations and break up.

  • @sergeant64

    @sergeant64

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@raypurchase801 The first production plane to reach Mach 1 was the F-86 Sabre which could only do it in a dive, deep dive.

  • @raypurchase801

    @raypurchase801

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@sergeant64 THANKS! The 262 didn't get swept wings for aerodynamic reasons. Construction of the mock-up was underway when the designers realised the engines would be heavier than expected. The easiest way to correct the C of G was to fit swept wings. The angle of sweep was too small for any advantage. The Sabre's greater sweep made all the difference.

  • @hertzair1186

    @hertzair1186

    Жыл бұрын

    @@raypurchase801 …I believe it was later tested as a model and was proven to be able to go supersonic.

  • @raypurchase801

    @raypurchase801

    Жыл бұрын

    @@hertzair1186 At high near-Mach numbers, the "real life" 262 tried to break itself up and became uncontrollable. Interestingly, the piston-powered Hawker Tempest was only marginally slower in a dive, thanks to its very slim wings. It wouldn't actually go out of control, but it did start suffering airframe damage at which point the pilots ceased their test. In combat conditions, regular pilots (as opposed to test pilots) would never push their aircraft to the absolute limit of their aircraft's performance envelope. Because it wasn't needed and they didn't want to kill themselves.

  • @michaeld2519
    @michaeld25192 жыл бұрын

    5:08 to 5:16 Awesome shot of the Me 262!!

  • @gk_filer
    @gk_filer2 жыл бұрын

    Nice Animation!

  • @bert-hassokemnitz8580
    @bert-hassokemnitz85802 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video , sensationel. The ME 262 first turbine jet fighter fighting against bomber destruction of Germanys cities 1945.

  • @breakethelimit7704
    @breakethelimit77042 жыл бұрын

    Brave man

  • @victorstern3341
    @victorstern33413 ай бұрын

    The date sticks in my mind. My father was on a death march at that time and barely survived the Nazi concentration camps.

  • @muckiderhase157
    @muckiderhase1572 жыл бұрын

    Voilà de très belles images de synthèse!

  • @ushoys
    @ushoys2 жыл бұрын

    The 262 still looks like a modern plane

  • @julioalbertoherrera1339

    @julioalbertoherrera1339

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was one of Hitler's "Wonder Weapons", or _Wunderwaffen._ Advanced weapons, but too late, too few, to change the tide of the war.

  • @mikbe2579
    @mikbe25792 жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately, the Me 262 was deployed 2 1/2 years too late. Otherwise Germany would have shown the Americans and the British "where the hammer hangs" and possibly bombed New York and Washington!

  • @TexasHoosier3118

    @TexasHoosier3118

    2 жыл бұрын

    ME262 would have a rough time flying to New York from Europe.

  • @George-bz1fi
    @George-bz1fi2 жыл бұрын

    Good Video.

  • @pak40l46
    @pak40l462 жыл бұрын

    Nice animation.

  • @timfischer9900
    @timfischer99002 жыл бұрын

    If you are 20 years ahead with technology, but enemy has outnumbered your forces 10 or 20 times

  • @bernhardtsuballa5341

    @bernhardtsuballa5341

    Жыл бұрын

    The big problem of the Germans is not the lost war, but what they have made of their country politically. Every work-shy person is accepted and given $500, free housing, free health insurance, and free heating. Already the streets don't look like Germany but like Turkey... Sad!

  • @bubiruski8067
    @bubiruski80672 жыл бұрын

    On 24 March, 1,714 bombers, escorted by approximately 1,300 fighter aircraft, targeted 18 Luftwaffe airfields.[38] Schall led 10. Staffel at about 12:00 from Parchim airfield and engaged the bombers south of Berlin. Approximately 15 Me 262s, the majority of them armed with R4M air-to-air rockets, claimed a number of bombers destroyed, including a B-17 by Schall.[ The question is rather how could any one of the German defenders survive against 1300 enemy fighters?

  • @napraznicul

    @napraznicul

    2 жыл бұрын

    if those 1300 was in majority ESCORT planes, their mission was to ESCORT bombers at close, but to to follow some me262 for 50miles off side of the group they protected. The 262 strategy was short attack then go fast. Not a shitty p51 carbureted garbage would keep up with running me262, not to mention other maneuvres of attack them from underneath.

  • @mikepette4422

    @mikepette4422

    2 жыл бұрын

    its a scary thought you have 15 planes they have 100 times as many lol

  • @bubiruski8067

    @bubiruski8067

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mikepette4422 Very true. These many of allied fighter created a spray of bullets and did not even need to aim properly. That‘s likely the reason why they often did not even know who scored the hit. Thus it happened that they scored fractions of kills !

  • @daiichidoku

    @daiichidoku

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@napraznicul actually, once doolittle took over 8th AF, the doctrine changed for the better to allow escorts to go after bandits instead of staying tied to the bombers

  • @napraznicul

    @napraznicul

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@daiichidokuGermam pilots of me262= "the bandits"?! They were patriot soldiers fighting against the "bandit" invaders which were "fuelled" by other bandits, those which owns global financiar system 😅

  • @Glen.Danielsen
    @Glen.Danielsen Жыл бұрын

    Yah, the jet’s gun cameras might not activate with rocket firing. Bravo for your remarkable graphics!

  • @alfonsocuevascadena1364
    @alfonsocuevascadena1364 Жыл бұрын

    Esto debería verse en history channel

  • @fredbreuer5504
    @fredbreuer55042 жыл бұрын

    Incredibly and simply amazing these people of that time. They deserve my entire respect regarding of their courage and capabilities

  • @martinschmidt5541
    @martinschmidt55412 жыл бұрын

    In Memory of our WWII heros....

  • @tekay44

    @tekay44

    2 жыл бұрын

    just the allies, on one cares about the dead axis soldiers. do you forget what they did? all of them. all of them. gassing children and they fought for that regime.

  • @joselopes4709
    @joselopes4709 Жыл бұрын

    Hagenah's bird was usually a Weiss 5, according to Osprey Ace series

  • @knightwolf3748
    @knightwolf37482 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant!

  • @ag2938
    @ag29382 жыл бұрын

    Schöne Bilder, aber sehr unrealistisch, die ungelenkte R4M Luft/Luft Raketen mit elektronischen Näherungszünder und Aufschlagszünder im cal. von 5,5cm mit einer Sprengladung von 550gramm Hexogen,wurde nur gegen große 4 Motorige Bomber eingesetzt, gegen feindliche Jagtflugzeuge reichte schon 1Treffer aus den 4x 30mm.Maschinenkanonen MK.108 ,da diese meistens mehrere erhielten, Explodierten sie in einem Feuerball.

  • @fredreinhard2091

    @fredreinhard2091

    2 жыл бұрын

    As all things in war! Some are lucky and others are not!

  • @stevetwede9901
    @stevetwede99012 жыл бұрын

    Reading I fought You From The Skies 1964. written by a FW 190 pilot. He admitted he lied about the numbers of available fighters for operations once because his men were exhausted from ground attack missions. This is one of many ways a squadron commander can monkey around with numbers.

  • @christerbergstrom2957

    @christerbergstrom2957

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, Willi Heilmann's book is considered by the experts in this field of interest as one of the least trustworthty among German pilot biographies. Do you read German?

  • @davidd34
    @davidd342 жыл бұрын

    How fast did it go compared to the Mustangs?

  • @odarge
    @odarge2 жыл бұрын

    Magnifique 🤩

  • @andrewisotope8146
    @andrewisotope81462 жыл бұрын

    It's all very well having the first jet Fighters but waiting until the enemy is at your door is sorta late to make a difference and the same applies to the V1 & V2 rockets.

  • @WillyEckaslike

    @WillyEckaslike

    2 жыл бұрын

    50+ allied countries Vs Germany and a couple of useless allies....the wrong side won and you are about to reap the conseqences

  • @andrewisotope8146

    @andrewisotope8146

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@WillyEckaslike Ya mean Ivan dont ya Will? I hope not for the entire world's sake

  • @rkabanlit
    @rkabanlit2 жыл бұрын

    Those Me262s are absolutely gorgeous ...

  • @Cybernaut76
    @Cybernaut76 Жыл бұрын

    I got a wee little bit curious. Although it seems like Leutnant Hagenahs shot down wingman was just a second rate pilot, I still got curious as to who was he and did he manage to bail out or did he die.

  • @ravenshadowz2343
    @ravenshadowz23432 жыл бұрын

    How come you do not have a video on the Red Tails?

  • @rickyraw5457
    @rickyraw54572 жыл бұрын

    As an allied piolet seeing one of these must of been a real thrill......😁

  • @ammo8713

    @ammo8713

    2 жыл бұрын

    AND A REAL "PANTS CHANGER"....IF YOU GET MY DRIFT ! 👍😁

  • @nudaveritas6322
    @nudaveritas63222 жыл бұрын

    Still imagine the Weapon technic which used in the Me 262 was far beyond the allies had.................

  • @modeljetjuggernaut4864
    @modeljetjuggernaut48642 жыл бұрын

    Cool! Can you do one of the he-162 and the mosquito... I guess the 162 was downed before it landed

  • @RaulBailey
    @RaulBailey2 жыл бұрын

    I'm surprised to see the P-51's did not strafe his jet on the ground after he landed.

  • @tekay44

    @tekay44

    2 жыл бұрын

    he snuck in it said. that was a common tactic since they couldn't catch them in the sky, they just waited for the lousy pricks to try and land, they they chewed em up. to little to late for the worst collection of monsters to ever draw breath. the master race, my ass.

  • @stevetwede9901
    @stevetwede99012 жыл бұрын

    There are thousands of shootdowns that do not tally with enemy loss records, even one where air and ground witnesses signed off. There are various reasons for this, the Russians for example didn't count planes that were shot down, but only minimally damaged & then repaired & put back in service. And all air forces, ( sometimes to stay out of trouble from their superiors ), didn't report losses. And there is over reporting, but to state an absolute when there are these variables is silly, but people like Nick Hector do this & want to be taken seriously, which is silly.

  • @christerbergstrom2957

    @christerbergstrom2957

    2 жыл бұрын

    What is this? "The Russians for example didn't count planes that were shot down"?? That is utter nonsense. Don't spread such disinformation. Historical facts have to be taken seiously. And why are using this space to attack Nick Hector, who is a highly respected researcher among the experts in this field? Jealousy? I find it otherwise inexplicable.

  • @chrishunt3296

    @chrishunt3296

    2 жыл бұрын

    The Germans were the most accurate as every victory had to be witnessed by two people. The British were pretty inaccurate in the Battle of Britain but the Americans were by far the least accurate due to large formations often all firing at the same plane and claiming a victory if it was shot down.

  • @mcd3379
    @mcd33792 жыл бұрын

    Don't tell me - this is Germany's contribution to helping Ukraine defence itself from Russia - a couple of ME262s from WW2?

  • @antestankovic4846
    @antestankovic48462 жыл бұрын

    Very fine flight simulator. Congratulations.

  • @kaiser_macgyver_1
    @kaiser_macgyver_1 Жыл бұрын

    Bravo!

  • @franciscoyukianki8146
    @franciscoyukianki8146 Жыл бұрын

    Had the Germans produced these jets earlier the entire Allied planes are sitting ducks!

  • @bobmacdonald6183

    @bobmacdonald6183

    3 ай бұрын

    Not quite correct, the RAF had a squadron of Meteor Jet fighters, just finishing their trials and work up. And others ready for commissioning. Captured 262’s in mock combat against these Meteors, the Meteors were found adequate for combat with the 262’s. They were deployed just a week after Germans surrendered. The Russians were very shocked to see them. They had nothing with the zMeteors capabilities.

  • @Sargonarhes
    @Sargonarhes2 жыл бұрын

    I'm finding it a little hard to believe a P-51 caught up to an Me 262, unless the 262 pilot made a horrible blunder. Which is more likely the case.

  • @gordonaverageguy9556

    @gordonaverageguy9556

    Жыл бұрын

    they couldn't attack at 540mph, they had to slow to engage the bombers. That is where most open-air victories against the Me-262 were claimed. By far the majority were lost either taking off (17% of...) and landing (66% of 262s reported lost due to enemy activity).

  • @johncox2865
    @johncox2865 Жыл бұрын

    The two best looking fighter models of the war.

  • @ilmarvaim317

    @ilmarvaim317

    11 ай бұрын

    yes, the me262 and fw190d-9/ta152 were the best looking fighters of the war.

  • @BudoReflex
    @BudoReflex Жыл бұрын

    These are awesome

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