This test was performed on firmware version 32.37.8, which was the latest available at the time of recording. The current release firmware is 32.37.10.

@isthatrightdave

Жыл бұрын

I don't care about the words i just love the Bardwell voice

@bcc1955

Жыл бұрын

As of today WS does not mention "32.37.8" as a released firmware. If you mean 31.36.8 released 12/23/2022 that firmware does not have official V2 support. Which suggest it could cause problems.

@JPspinFPV

Жыл бұрын

So this was done on the goggles. Was it done with the provided antennas on the goggles? Also, I'm very curious how the receiver module stacks up under the same test.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

@@bcc1955 No. 32.37.8 was a pre-release firmware sent to me by WS for use with this hardware. I expected it to be the final release, but they updated it to 32.37.10 at the last minute.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

@@JPspinFPV The goggles have X-Air patches and Axii Omni on them. You can see at 0:28 in the video.

missed you experimental videos so much... good to have them back!

JB always going above and beyond. 🤣

Better than analog, and less expensive than DJI IF you get working components. If you get a bad VTX or goggles, or a failure after an hour or two of use, then you are in for a battle with tech support (Sivis Joe).

@visioneerone

Жыл бұрын

also less intrusive…

@QuadFlyer68

Жыл бұрын

@@visioneerone No log files ... no activation ...

@GrauFPV

Жыл бұрын

Still not as good as hdzero

@QuadFlyer68

Жыл бұрын

@@GrauFPV I might be trying/switching to that next ... Caddx after-sales tech support is absolutely horrible.

@GrauFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@QuadFlyer68 hdzero is solid all around it’s not as available granted but it’s because it’s popular and reliable, and Carl is seriously like a god send to the fpv community.

Any chance of doing an Ultimate Gauntlet test with these, HD Zero, Vista, and new 03 Air Unit? I would love to see the data side by side like you do in this video! Great Job, Joshua!

3:34 ...when the acid kicks in. This was a really good test, thanks for the hard work and giving us a better look at the V2 system. Does the avatar V2 have any unique hardware changes from the V1 besides adding more storage and a gyro? Any differences in how it handles video compression or transmission from the V1?

Great comparison! Super helpful to see the difference rates/power levels. Any reason why no 700mw 50mbps test for the v2? Was hoping to see what that would show since the 1.2w has had known issues.

Nice camera rig!

PUPPIES! and good video! Thanks for the info Josh!

Always great to see your scientific approach, Joshua! Maybe use a logarithmic scale to display the latency data in more detail? (And then have the opportunity to explain that scale, too ;-) )

Really nice test! Is the improvement of the v2 system maybe depending on the quality of the antenna they deliver with it? I would like to see a test with the same antennas for comparison. Everyone knows that the original walksnail antennas arent't good.

I truly respect all the efforts you put into these tests. thanks for that. I fly Walksnail and truly find a major difference between 1080P and 720p, 1080p looks way better and often time really less "blocky". the 50mbps mode is in my opinion best for long range and cruising to really enjoy the beauty of what you're flying above. still, 1080 is unusable for freestyle because of the 60fps max... I believe that there's more than just numbers, especially with the Walksnail numbers that have been shown not to be true in the past (for delay at least). I love cruising in 1080p 50 mbps and freestyling at 720 100FPS 50mbps. only using 25 when needing penetration, and using it in 1080p because the image looks way better than in 720 25.

@Deserthacker

Жыл бұрын

Yup, it's clearly quite a versatile system!

It would be interesting to do the exact same test with a known good antenna like the TrueRC on both v1 and v2 VTX‘s. As it seems that the WS antennas were not as constant as other antennas and couldn‘t hold the signal well.

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more the system, that it is the antennas.

@McLogo76

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 That‘s why it would be good to test and show the differences. The Walksnail antennas are known to break easily and have poor performance and the new one looks different. So is diversity helping the V1 or is the V2 single antenna better and helps the single antenna setup? You‘ll never now if you don‘t use a known good antenna on both ;)

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

@@McLogo76 Good point! I think, like most reviewers, he wanted to use the product stock, as it was shipped. I'd be interested in knowing if proven good antennas make a big difference.

@modquad18

Жыл бұрын

Right on, was just about to post same

Yeah, I do think they just added 50mbit, 1200mW and 1080p modes primarily and prematurely as marketing as users are used to those modes from DJI. They'll have to put a lot more work in to get the behaviour in those modes to an reliable state where real difference can be seen. My 2 cent, anyway :)

I’m tempted to get the V1 and recon HD for my plane. I have some old school Fatshark HD3. I could get the WS VRX package for them but I think the recon HD would be better ?

Walksnail is the sweetspot for me pricewise as I own fatshark hdo2. No problems with VTX v1, v2, 1s mini . Great that all vtxs are interchangable with all cameras.

Nice test setup. I thought it was a new quad at first !

I suppose the other lasting question to be answered, have they resolved the gps issue? As the FAA regs go into effect this September, this will be a more important factor for those who decide to comply with that. Everyone has their reasons.

Great information video as always! Riding the bike can also allow you to continue going past the point where you would be able to fly a quad.

Fantastic testing and comparison, Joshua! Thanks! 😃 Perhaps Walksnail should bring new developers to the mix, specially those with more knowledge about the compression algorithm. (255 something, I don't remember. 😬) Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, 50mbps and 1080P modes have been out since they first released the digital system...at least 1080p mode was. Kinda weird that they have these modes but they perform pretty significantly worse that the 25mbps / 720p mode. A long time for no improvements...

@creationlabsinc.189

Жыл бұрын

Dude you were just praising walksnail on another channel as a Dji killer. 😂

@MCsCreations

Жыл бұрын

@creationlabsinc.189 I don't remember using those words. What I really said is that it's already better than the DJI O2 system (the Vistas). For quads perhaps not so much, because you're flying low and around obstacles... But check out those who fly it with fixed wings. Like Bonafidepirate

@Joshua Bardwell Could you please use a bigger Mouse pointer in future? Its hard too see at a mobile device. Thx (Great video)

hThanks for the test Joshua. Here in Australia the Walksnail with goggles costs $1189 but you still have to add a receiver to that price. THe DJI 03 with V2 goggles is $159 more that the Walksnail and the DJI03 with Goggles 2 is $258 more expensive. For such a small amount would I consider this poduct in stead of DJI, no.

@samtarariverasanchez59

Жыл бұрын

It sucks living out there when it comes to a few things. I paid 750 for all my dji setup including Nazgûl drone 6 s with batteries.

The Runcam Link Falcon camera, for the DJI digital video system, performs far better in low light than the Caddx Nebula Pro, or Pro Nano does. I'd really like to see a comparison of this new Walksnail V2 Pro camera vs. the Falcon camera from DJI. I wonder which is better in low light and which actually has a better usable image? So, taking what you said and what I saw from your testing, Walksnail is really truly a 25mbps / 720P system. Let's not try to make it more than it really is and claim 50mbps or 1080p mode actually improved anything, or was even usable. I think that's a fair assessment. It's great to see Walksnail come out with SINGLE BOARD options, that can be used for small micro quadcopter builds and they also have their whoop board(s). DJI, when are you gonna give us these small, lighter, single board options for micros and whoops?? WE'VE ONLY BEEN ASKING FOR THEM FOR A COUPLE OF Y E A R S ! ! (🤫Shhhhsh....you'd kinda own digital FPV if you did come out with them! It's really the only thing lacking with your digital system!) 🤔👍

If you turn the light off and rock side to side with JB's pedalling this is like a VR exercise video.

So what do you think is the best setting for the mw, Bitrate, framer ate? Also is the Foxeer Lollipop 4 UFL good to use for the vtx v2s?

Great comparison, but just wondering if the lack of active cooling on the VTX might have affected those results at all, because you'd have far more airflow in a quad than on those open air mounts whilst riding a bike.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

The vTX never went into overheat mode. You can see this in the screen recording. The only time you see it in overheat mode is when I was walking to get the bike after leaving the vTX powered on for a while. As soon as I start riding the bike, it cools down immediately. They don't really need a big powerful wind to stay cool. Even a slow-moving 120mm PC fan blowing nearby is enough to keep them from overheating.

@bl_fpv

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell Also, all the tests were performed in the same config. If heating is a variable, it should be consistent across hardware and be factored out.

hey Joshua, good job!! Can you help me, or someone else... I have a v1 version, two of them. and both are unstable, they cut the image when it's a little hot. when I fly hard with my 5 inches, just a minute or two later, the image of the glasses is exhausted. and my cinewhoop, being the place where the FC and vtx install is closed to the wind, so it gets hot too. Did the same thing happen with the V2 version?? Thanks !!!

I think this is inconclusive until they come out with the new firmware that's supposed to be a "game changer for the system", guess we'll have to wait and see . But I did love the video, very informative as always! Cheers Bardwell🍻

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

Walksnail is constantly developing something "new and game changing". If we waited for that to release, we wouldn't have released a single test in the whole time it's been available.

@flyinryanfpv

Жыл бұрын

Lol I agree brother! I'm kinda all in with them at this point as I now have 16 of their air units, the FS Dominators HD and their standalone VRX (Worthless RN with the range). So hopefully they have a firmware that comes out that blows my mind🤷🏻 I am getting some 03's on the side just in case the whole thing becomes a flop tho. Cheers

@bcc1955

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell In WS defense you tested this hardware so quickly you were not aware of the actual firmware that was released to support it. There is a lot of competition on youtube to get the first report out. But doing it right is not best served by that line of thinking. Also I would suggest that you have the gravitas to be able to inquire of WS before such reports if there is an associated firmware unique to the product.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

​@@bcc1955 I agree that it's a mistake to rush to release results first, if those results don't reflect what actual users will experience. Walksnail told me the x.8 firmware was the one to use with the new hardware, and I filmed the release video and tested the hardware on that firmware, believing that x.8 was the final firmware for release. Then they released x.10 the day of release. I appreciate that WS is constantly trying to improve their products, even up to the last minute of release, but it takes time to make videos like this, and WS release schedule means it's difficult to be sure that content always reflects the absolute latest firmware. If I had known that x.10 was going to be the official release, I would have tested this on x.10. But my not knowing that doesn't reflect lack of care or rush on my part. I was making content about this system for a week. Should I wake up every morning and double-check just to be sure that a new firmware hasn't come out? If I'm halfway through making a video and a new firmware releases, should I upgrade in the middle of the video? Should I scrap the previous days' work and start over?

Great testing! Could you maybe next time use a larger pointer? Age + cellphone screen :))

I have seen this when running 50 megabits on the 1s it will never go back above say 40 until I power cycle. If Walksnail hired a few more programmers they could be a real competitor in everything except really competitive racing.

i’m analog but i’m on the fence now when you going to do a full AM32 firmware review

The engineer inside you shows in the test setup🤣🤣

i clicked on your discord at the bottom thinking i had a message, time to cut back on the bong hits i guess

0:22 Can OBS now capture raw transport stream? Because it looks like you're simply recording off the external device with the lossless preset, which is not actually lossless.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

It can't. You're right that this is not true lossless recording. The goal of using the capture card is to capture all the micro-stutters and dropouts, as well as the menus, just as the pilot sees them. Since the video will ultimately be viewed on KZread, it will never be viewed perfectly lossless, since YT always re-encodes after upload. So the goal is to provide YT with a high-enough-quality source file that maximum possible quality is presented to the user. Although NVENC H.264 Lossless is not true lossless, I believe it accomplishes this goal. When I say, "lossless" in the intro, it's short-hand for ... that. A lot of technical details that don't affect the end result, and that most people don't care about. But it is technically correct to say "lossless," since that's the name of the rate control profile I've selected when recording.

Did you get that ebike for purposes like this😂 either way putting it to good use and as always awesome testing 🤙🏽

What USB-C to HDMI is used here ? I tried few, but none for my googles.

3:31 when the shrooms start to kick in

No matter how good the v2 is in tests for some things having two antenna will just always be better. I fly helis more than anything else and their frame is basically a vertical wall of carbon fiber. Having two antenna makes VTX mounting a lot more flexible and aircraft orientation to the vrx a lot less critical.

You're misreading the delay in the first graph @11:39 (comparing V2 700mw to 1200mw) - the first graph has huge latency compared to the second during the worst part of the route. I'd agree that, aside from the ability to go to 25 in the second graph, the bitrates are very comparable. Edit: you made a comment about how there's a lot of blue hidden behind the red at the bottom of the first graph, that's incorrect. A closer look will show that those are short blue lines of multiple dots. There are no blue dots hidden at the bottom (at a meaninful rate, at least, there may be a couple points down there)

@TheVexinator

Жыл бұрын

Great comparison, BTW. Thank you!

16:25 You're not saying much about the latency though... What's interesting to me is the latency is supposedly better (i.e. according to the goggles) during that bad 1 Mbps part, even though the video looked much more unflyable...

Can u use just the avatar pro hd camera. On a normal analog vtx. Like the tbs unify pro 32. For better image quality? Cannot find a answer to this anywhere on the internet. I wanna use the avatar pro hd 2 camera for the great image quality. Will it work on analog transmitter? And will it have good hd image when flying. Ofcoarse it wobt fix break up.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

No that's not possible. Walksnail cameras only work on Walksnail vTX.

On the first test in beginning OSD show "VTX overheating" could it be the case of 14mbit lock? May be for 1200mw test its good to add fan to cool down VTX?

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

It was only overheating before I started riding. Once I started riding you can see the temperature was fine.

@W122ard1

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell yep, but maybe it somehow looks it on 14 even after you start riding?

Do you know if the V2 Pro camera will be compatible with the V1 VTX? I already have 3 V1's and would like to upgrade the cameras for low-light, but not worth a full upgrade just for that one feature and swapping cameras would be a great solution leaving me with spares.

@pressurefpv

Жыл бұрын

The cameras should all be compatible . I know you can use the new gyro camera with the v1. Mads Tech did a little video on it earlier this week..

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are completely compatible. You don't have to get the new vTX if you don't want to.

What HDMI capture device is that? I couldn't seem to find any that would do 1080p 60fps over USB

@Seii-FPV

Жыл бұрын

My Elgato HD60S easily does it.

So I suppose we DJI users should still stick with DJI, I just feel DJI has better penetration.

What software are you running on the laptop with the Elgato capture card?

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

OBS

@AlfieDoug

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell Thanks, never used it will download and try it.

Maybe put them on a camera gimbal next time :P

Glad i ended up deciding to go DJI. Just doesnt seem anything that can beat them currently.

@Seii-FPV

Жыл бұрын

I have them both, and if I had to pick one to keep one only, that would 110% be Walksnail Avatar. Many, many reasons explained in Botgrinder's video among literally hundreds of others.

Did you reupload this? I swear I watched this like late last year.

Anyone know if you can wear prescription glasses with the Walksnail goggles ?

@baptiste_nonat

Жыл бұрын

probably not, however you can adjust from +2 to -8 diopters

@dronepilot260rc

Жыл бұрын

@@baptiste_nonat I know with my DJI V2’s . They have adjustability but I still can’t see without my 🤓 glasses

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

@@dronepilot260rc I got prescription lenses for my V2 DJI goggles! WOW! Ultra crystal clear ALL THE TIME! Only $80 shipped from Germany. Made by RHO- Lens. I highly recommend! Transformed the goggles for me!!! Best thing I've ever purchased for the DJI digital system! :)

@baptiste_nonat

Жыл бұрын

@@dronepilot260rc that sucks… because the lenses are really close to the eye so i don’t think you’ll be able to fit glasses inside them

@Seii-FPV

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you can, but you have to have low profile (not wide frames), and you should probably buy one of those thicker foams for the faceplate to distance your face from the goggle's lenses even further. Can you wear eye lenses instead of glasses?

Good job JB! Lots of good data there for all the tech nerds lol.

The blue was not buried under the red, it was way above it. Much more unstable.

How was the recovery after disconnection? Was is quick or slow once you moved back into a valid signal? Would it require RTH or just climb and wait? This recovery after disconnection is a big factor for me when doing longer range stuff and seems to be the achilles heel of digital.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

It recovered once signal came back.

It looks like the new one sacrifices latency for a higher bit rate when there is a poor connection .

I think you've got a faulty VTX. I've got a V1 VTX that behaves similarly and never gets to full 25mbs, and it's worse the higher the power I use.

Worried about the capture card's codec and affect on the footage. It's definitely the weak link and I doubt its "lossless".

@JoshuaBardwell

11 ай бұрын

The capture card is simply passing the HDMI feed direclty to OBS. What comes out of the capture card is identical to what goes into it.

So the build of the v2 vtx is better but the hardware /software has still the same performance.

Thank you very much for performing these tests! BUT - it looks very much like you're using the stock WS antennas, that are proven beyond any doubt to be absolute garbage. Hence a lot of Walksnail pilots will never use them, but upgrade straight to True RC (or similar proven great performing antennas). Can you possibly repeat (some of) the tests with proper antennas? I fear the stock antennas are so bad they actually invalidate most of the data sets, rendering any real conclusion moot. I hate to sound like I'm dumping on your work, which is not my intention at all, as I really do appreciate your effort. But looking at the gain patterns of the abysmally poor stock WS antennas, I feel like I didn't learn anything else, than don't run the stock antennas...

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

If I was using stock antennas for both vTX, then wouldn't that cancel out and show the relative performance of the vTX?

@henrikhavelindberg3268

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaBardwell After giving your question some thought, I honestly can't say for sure. But to me it seems like doing a car review with four flat tires, and testing out different engine power modes. The things you want to observe are (as far as I can see) mostly drowned out in overwhelming noise artifacts. Let me put it this way: If you test a system with a chain of interconnects, and one link is obviously broken, what can you really say about the rest of the chain links?

Capture card technically isn't lossless.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

KZread isn't lossless either. I'm doing my best 😁

Now Hd zero has to do something Revolutionary too …

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

yeah, like be able to fly more than 30m away without getting all of those colored sparklies that hurt your eyes! Great for racing in an open field. HDZero owners need to face facts...the systems technology just isn't as advanced as the others. That's why Fatshark dumped it!

@creationlabsinc.189

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 I concur

@motorsnail9147

Жыл бұрын

An i bought HD Zero because i think it will make the future

Why the f did you cut the most important part at 04:55 and didn't let us see the range of V2?

KZread on Android only lets me select up to 480p, wtf KZread???? We need a new platform

Those are some disappointing results. but hey - at least I can buy a night camera I'm not allowed to fly at night.

The V2 Didn't do any worse is hardly a reason to rush out and buy it.

I can't wait to upgrade. All these Avatar vids make me hate flying analog 😂

@eisikelfpv9495

Жыл бұрын

Haha same 😂

@creationlabsinc.189

Жыл бұрын

Lots of options now.

little mouse? Oh yeah! very little!

I don't really understand walksnail. I am hoping it is just because it is early, because it only seems to be "I want digital, but for reasons that have nothing to do with performance I refuse to use DJI". Also, we have goats too, that gate is open, I am stunned ANY of them are in the yard, heh. Although they are herd animals they typically don't go that far, just far enough to eat whatever plant/tree the neighbor prizes the most.

@JoshuaBardwell

Жыл бұрын

These goats were all raised hand-fed and are mostly pets. They don't usually wander outside the fenced area they're used to being in. I suspect Rick only wandered out because he saw me go out.

Where is 700mW 720p 50Mbps, and 700mW 1080p 50Mbps. 1200mW is not stable.

Knoxville tennesse Represent 🤑

Walksnail will only get beta. Ive invested alot of money with the walksnail system. Im patient with wat is out atm.

Whatever. The Walksnail image is still blurry crap.

@projektebe6563

Жыл бұрын

Bruh

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

Yup, still way, WAY behind. It's truly a 25mbps / 720p system....cuz those other modes are worse than the 720p mode! :(

@olavpettersen9465

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 The bitrate really isn't the problem. The compression is. When I upload DVR footage from my Vista in 720p it doesn't look as bad as this AFTER KZread has crapped on it with its compression.

@creationlabsinc.189

Жыл бұрын

Still a half baked product even with “v2”

@creationlabsinc.189

Жыл бұрын

@@projektebe6563 he’s accurate in his opinion tho

Don't buy drones you can't fly them.....