Having silly speed limits makes everyone lose respect for the rules

@THUNDERACE-wz7cy

Ай бұрын

Exactly 💯

@blacktemplar2377

Ай бұрын

I think they should make the speed limit not apply to motorcycles because it's safest if we go faster than cars, same as HGVs and Vans are not allowed above a certain speed. A road that I use frequently has become much more dangerous after they reduced speed limit, you are in car driver's blind spot at a junction for a long time so they pull out on you. whereas I never had it when the speed limit was 40. I always expect it's going to happen btw but christ, it's gone from never happening to everytime someone will pull out on you.

@undertow2142

Ай бұрын

How about just making speed limits make sense for the road they’re applied to? Then you do public service ad campaign to promote safe driving alongside an equitable system of speed monitoring and fines. Treat the public with respect and fairness for a change.

@icedreamer9629

Ай бұрын

We should try having conceptual speed limits, not numerical ones. Think "low", "medium", and "natural", and then we teach drivers that "low" means you should be driving between 15 and 30 miles an hour on high alert, being extra cautious (replaces 20 and 30), "Medium" means from 30 to 50 on wider roads with less pedestrian traffic (replaces 40 and 50) and "Natural" means "Drive as you feel safe" (replaces 60 and national, no maximum). Allow people to drive as they feel is safe, allow judges to decide when someone's idea of safe is unacceptable, and you will vastly improve people's attitude toward driving.

@dungareesareforfools

Ай бұрын

@@icedreamer9629 ...and their skills. We're currently on a path of dumbing down driving skills as much as possible, rather than being selective on who drives and encouraging aspirations to be better drivers.

You could fill an awful lot of potholes with the £34m it cost to put up unneeded road signs.

@creepycrawlything

Ай бұрын

I wonder how much it costs to deal with the injuries and fatalities and material-damage and necessary policing and judicial process, associated with self-entitled individuals driving too fast and too unskilfully. Then environmental and health costs associated with the production and usage of vehicles. My sense is that these associated costs would be many, many times £34m.

@blacktemplar2377

Ай бұрын

@@creepycrawlything Bah, survival of the fittest. Natural selection would get rid of all the idiot drivers

@dungareesareforfools

Ай бұрын

@ianbaker8225 Yeah, but then people might _want_ to drive, and be happier.

@creepycrawlything

Ай бұрын

@@dungareesareforfools This seems to be the driving factor Ian. Namely, individuals so prioritising themselves, than they might refuse to adhere to laws which are for the benefit of everyone. They can still drive faster than 20mph in all sorts of places, but still they want more just for themselves, even if it is to the disadvantage of others.

@philbrooke-little7082

Ай бұрын

With modern think they'd probably spend £34m digging new potholes to slow people down!

20 mph was a ridiculous imposition.

@ericritchie6783

Ай бұрын

Depends on the area.

@DerpyPoof

Ай бұрын

It's good in housing estate schools and anywhere with higher foot traffic . Blanket 20 was to much

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

This was and is the biggest issue in Wales.Wales is sorted now and it has no issues of any kind.If someone disagrees it will breach the hate crime law against the government and so ut will be sent to reeducation camps where they will remain till they see the situation in Wales and Britain in a positive way. In worse case scenario the Government will legalise the usage of hard drugs or adopt the Canadian legislation where a citizen can request a free euthanasia if they are not happy with the government. Crazy it sounds to a regular person listening to this and the whole thing to the government doesn't see they incompetence and lack of care for the future of British children is what is the source of the issues and problems on the country and the a 20 mph speed limit.

@87stevan

Ай бұрын

Letting 1 million immigrants in to our country a year was also a ridiculous imposition.

@hondacbrification

Ай бұрын

@@87stevan Don't you think that the two are not really comparable?

They never undertook any meaningful public consultations.

@rodwhitley3257

Ай бұрын

The questionnaire didnt even mention 20mph

@terencejay8845

Ай бұрын

'We're fully aware that absolutely no one likes it, needs it or wants it, but we're doing it anyway..' should Never be uttered by any Politician to the Citizenry.

@Ed.R

Ай бұрын

​@terencejay8845 Not true. I think it's great.

@stanthemafia

Ай бұрын

They shut it down

@passport787

Ай бұрын

I notice Wilson never replied on the question of pollution reduction. Surely pollution would be higher when you drop a gear to maintain 20mph. If the data has been collected before/after the change (and I doubt is has) then why has it not been published.

20 mph is dangerous, causes more pollution, traffic jams, and stress.

@20quid

Ай бұрын

It's not dangerous. The science is clear that the faster you drive the more danger you create.

@dailymemele

Ай бұрын

​@@20quid constantly looking at your speedo to make sure your doing 20 is also another danger Also whats failed to be mentioned newer cars are much faster at stopping than older cars

@andrewdale3695

Ай бұрын

No it doesn't

@leebradley372

Ай бұрын

The science. Really. Next you'll be mentioning the experts.

@mattharvey515

Ай бұрын

​@@andrewdale3695 It has been shown that there is *more* pollution and *more* congestion in 20mph zones. All the tests show this. But they are trying to hide it because it's embarrassing. Do not fall for it.

I like the 20 limit. It gives me time to catch up on texts and emails while I’m driving.

@lynnemorris7516

Ай бұрын

I love it 😂

@CLOCKCHASER2222

Ай бұрын

😂

@rob5944

Ай бұрын

That's in pretty poor taste.

@CLOCKCHASER2222

Ай бұрын

@@rob5944 I thought the same, seems a waste of time as you can easily do that when you have stopped driving, this is why I prefer to catch up on the latest box sets on Netflix and prime whilst I’m driving

@michaelbarb0sa

Ай бұрын

​@@rob5944 Get a grip

I am not in Wales but my town got a 20mph blanket speed limit. Most people only wanted the limits in residential areas and near schools. As a result 90% of drivers ignore the limits, and those which do obey it cause anger, frustration and dangerous overtaking. Accidents as a result have gone up.

@EvoraGT430

Ай бұрын

Just like UK government guidance said would happen with a blanket 20mph

@darkzim3872

Ай бұрын

when the said about a 20mph speed limit in wales most people thought it was for residential areas or out side of a school and if it was the case their would be no problem but ive been driving along and their isn't a house on either side of the road, just fields and i'm rolling along at 20 mph

@AdamBuckley1964

Ай бұрын

I'm on the border (Hereford) and if you stick to 20mph limit when in Wales then most people will overtake you. I think 20mph specifically applied in areas like schools, residential,etc (after consultation) would have been broadly supported by most - this would have been a smarter move.

@stephensmith799

Ай бұрын

Which town is it?

@stephensmith799

Ай бұрын

@@AdamBuckley1964 there isn’t a blanket 20mph limit when you cross the border. It’s a myth. The 20mph limit is restricted to residential areas and villages. Most roads have the national speed limits 70 for dual carriageways and 60 for single carriageways (as default) with lower limits according to the nature of the roads (ie 50, 40, 30). I’m not sure why folks believe that it’s 20 everywhere in Wales. I think it was an impression created by Westminster in order to make the non-existent ‘Woke War on Motorists’ a wedge issue. There’s really no such thing but it’s quite easy to push some people’s buttons and get them into a steaming rage about anything. … as the comments under this vid show rather clearly.

What happened to the green cross code. people need to take responsibility for their own actions not relying on the government to tell them what to do.

@PHlophe

Ай бұрын

Richard, we need state nanny to tell us what to do. 20mph was Bullscheisse in the first place.

@richardeggett392

Ай бұрын

@@PHlophe I used to tell my kids you can do anything you want and be anything you want in this country, i think it is getting so you can be anything the government wants you to be.my father used to say they will be charging for fresh air next, guess what.

@45graham45

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. People think children are too thick to learn how to cross a road safely. They are wrong. I (and all of my school) learnt that "skill" at the age of 4 years old. Not teaching children is imho total neglect.

@stephensmith799

Ай бұрын

Children do their best, but unfortunately they are impulsive and make mistakes. These mistakes are significantly more likely to result in death if struck by a vehicle at 30mph than at 20mph. The evidence for this is strong.

£32m for 20mph signs across the country plus what ever other expenses they spent our tax money on. How many more millions of pounds of tax payers money are they going to waste rectifying this

Change it to 3 mph. Think of the lives it would save !!! Then ban all motorcycles, then all cars, then all trucks then all buses. Ban everything that moves!!

@lucasjames7524

Ай бұрын

Hear hear! Sloths probably generate almost no CO2. Better yet, let's all become sea sponges.

@andybrice2711

Ай бұрын

It's better to be safe than sorry. People should also wear helmets in public.

@rollyunicorn

Ай бұрын

No, no need for that. Just bring back the man with the red flag to walk before the vehicles, just to ensure that our roads are 100% safe and effective. Just like the you know what!

@rdrhouse

Ай бұрын

remember pedestrians breath out co2

@bespincustompropsbombarta8300

Ай бұрын

That is the plan, never heard of 15 minute cities? They don't want us having the ability to move freely, thank the WEF for that idea.

I was taught how to cross a road safely. I've never been hit by a car, yet...

@rdrhouse

Ай бұрын

nor me, and all through my life the speed limit was 50% higher than now.

@zedcarr6128

Ай бұрын

Tufty the Squirrel, The Green Cross Man aka David Prowse (Darth Vader actor) and Alvin Stardust taught me to cross the road in the 1970s 😊

@WhiteDieselShed

Ай бұрын

I was obviously taught poorly I have been hit by one once and it hurt so I decided not to do that again....

@dwrgdeh9996

Ай бұрын

@iceninja46 you got the point, unfortunately people are only getting dumber 😊

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

@@zedcarr6128 yes and there was 1/3 of the number of cars on the roads compared to today

£33 million wasted on putting up 20mph roadsigns yet the Welsh Labour Government totally ingnored the fact that Wales has a NHS dental care crisis due to the near total lack of availability of any NHS dentists, this is the reality of a Labour led Government, remember this when you cast your vote at the next General Election.

@anonymes2884

Ай бұрын

Yeah, NHS dentists are falling from the sky here in Tory lead England.

@jstefa2

Ай бұрын

@@anonymes2884 pay them and they will immigrate from other countries. or even better... nationals will stop risking high loans to setup their private practices.

@FITSOZOLIFE

Ай бұрын

The clue is 33 million, laundered y the city of London, the 33 freemason borough

@tomhollandroberts1737

Ай бұрын

HEAR HEAR.

@maureengladwell1317

Ай бұрын

I don't see what's got to do with Scotland cars going so quick you can just flurry dreadful really

Bath imposed 20mph speed limits, a new study has shown that fatalities and collisions increased in all areas where the new limits were imposed ,after driving with the new limits in Wales I can tell you it does not work ,schools hospitals ,fine ,and it was imposed by someone who does not even drive

What Wales needs to do now is recoup all the wasted money in this ridiculous 20MPH scheme, and it's reversal, from Mark Drakeford personally.

@tree267

Ай бұрын

I wonder how much they have made from fines from people driving at 23 mph

@markcherriman6136

Ай бұрын

Drakefords personal finances need to be investigated now ( like Sturgeons ) .

@hugodrax71

Ай бұрын

It was actually the brainchild of a guy called Lee Waters, the Senedd member for Llanelli. Drakeford merely championed the idea.

I live in Wales and I knew nothing about the law until the last stages before it became law. The police in Newtown, Powys don't even stick to 20mph so that's what the law thinks of the speed limit lol. I live in a village and there are six speed changes in 200m. The whole thing is a waste of money Wales doesn't have and it now a big embarrassment. Mark Drakeford has left a wake of debt and ruin including the NHS.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Then you must live under a bridge. It was in the manifesto and then it was in the news for months before it happened

There is not a shred of plausible evidence that shows you get cleaner air from driving at 20mph v 30 mph. Complete cobblers.

@theSTUNTHAMSTER

Ай бұрын

in a ev?

@SaltySeaQueen-nn8wm

Ай бұрын

Well said..👏👏👏

@zedcarr6128

Ай бұрын

You don't. Vehicles are not designed to drive at 20MPH. The gear ratio matches 30MPH, so people have to change down a gear, especially when going up hill, this means that the engine revs are higher, and it produces more pollution.

@ericritchie6783

Ай бұрын

@@zedcarr6128... You can change the differentials to adjust the ratios and behaviour of the gear increments. Also overcooking your velocity to speeds you can't maintain for long before needing to breaking creates far more pollution than higher revs. Accelerating and breaking hard over and over and over "accelerbreaking" about complex areas with frequent junctions, lights and obstacles is going to create very high pollution.

@rdrhouse

Ай бұрын

you do not get cleaner air if you drive at 20mph, you get the opposite.

Biggest waste of money Ken Skates pushed this thru when NHS was desperate for funds! Other people’s money! Labour career MPs

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Where do people go when they get knocked down? The NHS. This will save the country money and lives.

@julieclonan2427

Ай бұрын

50,000 Women who have been subjected to fgm, have been moved into The UK, how are the NHS going to Deal With That?​@@julianshepherd2038

@markjones-gu2fj

Ай бұрын

@@julianshepherd2038 Where do people go when there's a road rage incident and someone gets assaulted because they are stuck behind someone doing 17 mph the NHS costing more money and clogging up the NHS.

@berniecoles2337

Ай бұрын

Lee Waters was the main instigator in implementing the disastrous 20mph zones here in Wales. No surprise he’s since resigned his position as transport minister and left Ken Skates to pick up the mess he left in his wake.

The problem with the "it reduces injuries and fatalities" argument is that it has no end point. If that's the reason for doing it then the inescapable conclusion is that the speed limit should immediately be lowered to zero mph on every road. The other aspect to the argument is that it's always implied that it's drivers and their speed who are responsible for accidents with pedestrians. If someone is run over on the highway, isn't it part of the equation to ask what they were doing on the highway to be run down? The road is for road users, not pedestrians. Nobody EVER mentions better road safety education for pedestrians as a way of reducing accidents.

@vonhabsi4158

Ай бұрын

Sorry bro. Don't be silly. How on earth did you get 11 upvotes without any criticism? Every "road user" by which i assume you mean "motorist", becomes a pedestrian before they start the journey and after they complete it , so what is this nonsensical distinction between "road users" and pedestrians? Are you certain the child that got knocked down outside a school may not have been dropped at school by a parent? When it was just horse buggies and bicycles said "highways" were perfectly safe for pedestrians. It was motor vehicles that brought danger to the roads. Remember they were limited to 4mph max and had to be preceded by a man with a flag? Separate sidewalks were not even necessary except in busy environments. If a public highway is so narrow that a person absentmindedly stepping into the path of car will be severely injured or killed, the cars shouldn't be there or the maximum speed should be severely curtailed. 12mph tops, which is the condition you normally get around schools. Just as a reminder, the roads outside schools are "public highways"

@davelowe1977

Ай бұрын

​@@vonhabsi4158I think you need to reconsider your ridiculous comment. The OP's comment is a sound analysis.

@alfieakaronaldog

Ай бұрын

Yep, OP said it exactly as it is, but there will always be people who are hurt by the truth.

@iankuah8606

Ай бұрын

When I was in school in the '60s we were taught the Green Cross Code. Stop, look right, look left, look right again and then cross when it is safe. This was also reinforced with examples on TV showing how you stayed safe as a pedestrian. This modern idea that pedestrians and cyclists have right of way is patently daft, as it takes away responsibility from the people who are going the slowest and who are therefore able to stop in the shortest possible distance. Ya canna change the laws of physics!

@vonhabsi4158

Ай бұрын

It seems that hardly anyone on this threads understands why "accidents" are "accidents". Could it because they are "accidental"? People make mistakes, misjudgements, lapses in concentration, or even sudden illness like strokes etc. The whole idea is that when "accidents" happen the speeds are low enough not to cause serious injury or death. Are there others besides me in this thread who understand this?

20 mph is fine on short side roads, outside schools and hospitals, but it causes anger, road rage and dangerous overtaking situations on long main roads.

I live on a main road in Wales with 20mph AND 2 schools and very few drivers do 20mph and a heck of a lot do more than 30. Why didn’t someone with a brain work all this out before spending was it 34 million and now spending more millions changing it. Well done Labour in Wales

@davecooper3238

Ай бұрын

Looks like you have provided evidence that Wales needs to spend more on policing.

@Youafool500

Ай бұрын

@@davecooper3238Do you think 20mph is needed during the night when the main roads are empty ? 20mph on side roads is perfectly fine but on main roads, no it’s just an annoyance nothing more

@davecooper3238

Ай бұрын

@@Youafool500 It was an pain when the original 70mph National Speed Limit came in. We could no longer ride as fast as we liked.

@mogznwaz

Ай бұрын

Labour is the epitome of the Nanny State. They can’t help themselves

@bobjames6622

Ай бұрын

@@davecooper3238 The national speed limit is 60 MPH. 70 MPH is the speed permitted on motorways. Before posting utter drivel....do some research.

I got zapped 26 in a 20. Going uphill from 2nd into 3rd. Road used to be 30. Some **** with a motorbike with a camera. This is not about safety just pure revenue raising.

I visited Wales last year and driving 20mph on what was a 40mph was surreal and painful. This would stop me going to Wales, but maybe thats their goal?

I live in Wales and a blanket 20mph is insane. I support 20mph in purely residential areas, outside schools, hospitals, care homes etc. But they were putting these on arterial roads which provide critical traffic links, one road I drive regularly goes from 40mph to 20 mph to 30mph to 50mph, the 20 mph element in the middle of that is a 1.5 mile stretch through countryside with no side roads or junctions, it also has a pavement and streetlights.

@SaltySeaQueen-nn8wm

Ай бұрын

Utter, utter madness 🙄

@user-xu5vl5th9n

Ай бұрын

It would have been simple to say the proposal does not apply to classified roads.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Luckily for you, it’s not a blanket 20mph, as you demonstrated with your example

@rob5944

Ай бұрын

Exactly, a sensible limit for the road. I'd love a 20 here as there are no pavements, a primary school, a doctors surgery and only room for one car if there are others parked. People zoom along and if someone stepped out they'd have nowhere to go. In fact I'm amazed nobody has bit hit, yet the council doesn't seem bothered. Even at 20 I doubt you'd even get to the brake pedal, let alone stop.

i live in the south wales valleys and have never known there to be accidents like there are now since this ridiculous 20 mph law has come in people are getting frustrated by being stuck behind drivers doing 20 mph and taking risks to overtake not only that but the build up of traffic on the roads is just causing traffic jams everywhere it only takes one car in front doing 20 and thats it the traffic keeps building up until theres a queue half a mile long that idiot drakeford needs his head seeing to for bringing this ludicrous law in utter stupidity

Why didn't they ask the public in the first place 😕

@robert100xx

Ай бұрын

Apparently there was a poll. Loaded questions designed to get the required response. 1000 people in South Wales were approached.

@paulwalker4118

Ай бұрын

@@robert100xx CANT do that we are just the unwashed and unknowing dumb plebs so why ask us

@GWright1957

Ай бұрын

It was in their manifesto. People really should find out what the parties stand for but they just vote blindly on tribal lines.

@ChristineRead-ck1uq

Ай бұрын

1200 people were asked and just 600 approved the idea. So Drakeford went with the 600 out of a population of over 3 million.

@ChristineRead-ck1uq

Ай бұрын

@@robert100xx Yes, it was noticeable that by far the most signatures on that petition to scrap it were from folk in the North- Anglesey, Wrexham, Conwy, Flint and so on. I hope those folk have the sense to vote Labour out.

20 MPH is bulshit

@andybrice2711

Ай бұрын

Makes sense in some places. Around schools, small residential roads, places used primarily by pedestrians. But as a default it's just ridiculous.

@balajat786

Ай бұрын

@andybrice2711 Yes, but you can use your common sense around the school ,Hospital etc we did all the life before 20 MPH was imposed

@mariemccann5895

Ай бұрын

It's probably about equal to your IQ.

@andybrice2711

Ай бұрын

​@@balajat786 Yeah, but some people don't have that common sense. Their perception of risk is greatly distorted. So in some scenarios (like around schools) it's reasonable to prioritize safety over convenience.

@paradisekohchangstyle2150

Ай бұрын

I respect your brevity.

When I learned to drive we were taught to take road conditions into account for how fast we drove

@mariemccann5895

Ай бұрын

So we shouldn't?

@kriskalpa

Ай бұрын

and that is what I do. I don't pay attention to speed limits so the 20mph is meaningless to me. I have never been in an accident and drive safely.

@macraghnaill3553

Ай бұрын

@@kriskalpa We were taught to drive within the speed limit but to "read" the road and adjust speed accordingly, not drive at the speed limit regardless. You may not of had an accident but how many have you caused?

@macraghnaill3553

Ай бұрын

@@mariemccann5895 "So we shouldn't " What?

@chasleask8533

Ай бұрын

This is NOT a forum for sensible comments .

The ministers involved in implementing this should be reimbursing the Welsh public purse from their own pockets

It's been scientifically proven that driving at 1mph drastically reduces injuries to pedestrians.

@FredericFreedom

Ай бұрын

😂

@janicewatts5888

Ай бұрын

what a load of 💩

@ChristineRead-ck1uq

Ай бұрын

What happened to teaching people how to cross roads safely? Or should pedestrians be permitted to just wander onto roads without looking? There also such things as Zebra Crossings and crossings with traffic lights in case you hadn't noticed.

@fred-a-stair

Ай бұрын

No it hasn't. The first casualties of this 20mph fiasco was that dictator mark drakeford and his sidekick, Lee waters. Lee waters was a director of the charity sustrans. Sustrans a charity promoting sustainable transport. When Lee water became transport minister for wales, sustrans were awarded a flood of contracts from Welsh assembly and a massive chunk out of 33 million budget for rolling out this nonsense. Lee water appears to be a flat crook.

@mariemccann5895

Ай бұрын

But it hasn't.

In Scotland many areas did the same thing, the only reason it hasn't hit the headlines is because no one takes any notice of them. Good money for sign makers though.

@kriskalpa

Ай бұрын

agreed. they can put up signs for 5mph and I will continue to drive at 30 and according to road conditions.

I can understand 20mph speed limits adjacent to primary schools and possibly old people’s homes and shopping precincts but anywhere else is overkill and turning this country into a nanny state.

We are talking about "Drakeford" here, one cannot expect any comon sense to make an appearance.

The powers that be in Wales had no intention of taking any notice of the people. Drayford needs to be called back to explain himself and face the music.

At last!!! Someone in the Welsh Assembly with some Common Sense...This news deserves a round of applause from the beleaguered motorists of Wales..👏👏👏👏👏

@johnbow100

Ай бұрын

I'd hold off on the applause until we see what they're actually going to change. If this is foisted off on councils how many of them are going to have the will and the funds to clear up the WAG's mess?

How much wasted ? £38m or more ? While the A&E wait times are 5 hours +

@ftumschk

Ай бұрын

I sympathise with the sentiment, but £38 million is a tiny fraction of the annual £9 billion running cost of the NHS in Wales, so it wouldn't make much difference in the scheme of things. However, I agree that the money could have been better spent in other areas - in repairing the roads, for example.

@WhiteDieselShed

Ай бұрын

@@ftumschk Extra 1000 full time qualified band 5/6 nurses not trainees. Not forgetting this is just one money wasting exercise, add them all up and its a new hospital fully staffed for years.

@ftumschk

Ай бұрын

@@WhiteDieselShed ...for one year. This was a one-off exercise, don't forget. Where do you next year's £38m from, or the year after that? And this new hospital is all very well, but what about all the others? £38m in national government terms is a drop in the ocean.

The £30,000,000 cost of this idiocy must be taken from politicians' pension pots.

I live just over the border with Wales in England. The benefit to my village of the 20 mph limit is an increase in traffic as more traffic drives through the village to aviod the 20 mph limit in Wales!

SNP/Greens are still going ahead with their 20mph Scotland wide. They're spending 56 million on signs.

@julianshepherd2038

Ай бұрын

Cost of signs is 5 million. Estimated saving to NHS is £56 million.

@suecharnock9369

Ай бұрын

Well, that will help defund the police from dealing with real crime instead of politically motived ‘hate’ laws!

@pauldavies7251

Ай бұрын

​@@julianshepherd2038That is utter ridiculous nonsense & you must be seriously naive if you believe that,

@user-ww9uo5jz6n

Ай бұрын

Idiots.

@kriskalpa

Ай бұрын

that assembly won't be in power long enough to enforce it.

Its not easy keeping cars below 20 mph but i agree that 20mph should be used around schools. This makes perfect sense. Those led speed signs are all thats required to remind drivers of the speed change as they are really easy to see.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

So you agree that 30 is too fast near children, but you think those children only deserve the protection of a lower speed limit once at the school, not when walking there on other roads. Good to know.

@iankuah8606

Ай бұрын

Yes, but not at 01:00 hrs in the morning when there is no-one in the schools!

'Appropriate' speed has always been taught by driving instructors. It says it in the highway code. A 'good' driver shouldn't need any speed limit signs. I have thought for a long time now that councils impose unrealistically low speed limits, under the guise of 'safety', just to capture fines.

@2Treesandahorse

Ай бұрын

Your right. It's an excuse for revenue collection only that revenue doesn't go to fixing roads (like smart motorways). Wonder where all the fine and eco tax money goes.......?

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

There’s a way to never pay one of those fines. I had to pay one once, but since I’ve learnt this trick I’ve not had to pay a single one

Most pedestrian vehicle accidents/ collisions are down to the pedestrians not watching where they are going , crossing without looking ,head in the phone ect, not down to speed so shall we re educate the peoples on road safety and not always blame the motorist , the only way to stop this is to get rid of all vehicles and how would you feel about going back 150 years just asking as no government body ever thinks things out fully before imposing its will and by the way people were still killed and injured by horse and carts so where do you stop . just saying

@ChristineRead-ck1uq

Ай бұрын

You're right. Not so many years ago, every school child in the country was taught the Green Cross Code - what happened to that? We had it drummed into us - look right, look left, look right again and only cross if it's all clear. Even now, I still do it.

@doru10922

Ай бұрын

Another thing, most of the people on bicycle don't even have a Hi-Vis, making it almost impossible to see them at night, or having headphones on and not being aware of the traffic

@ultimobici.

Ай бұрын

@@doru10922nothing like a bit of victim blaming, eh? If you get behind the wheel, it is on YOU to look where you are going. Should pedestrians wear helmets & hi-viz too?

@doru10922

Ай бұрын

​​@@ultimobici. Try and think a bit, is not about blaming, is about safety, I don't think pedestrians share the road I think it is called footpath?

Start by removing most of the traffic lights- it's always noticeable the traffic flows smoother when lights have failed. Moving traffic is less polluting per mile.

@alanmusicman3385

Ай бұрын

Traffic lights work far less well than roundabouts up to certain traffic levels. However, there is not always space for a roundabout. But yes, I could name several busy junctions which work a lot better when the lights have failed.

@johncockburn9683

Ай бұрын

It is indeed but it doesn’t use as much fuel and therefore less tax for the goverment. They dont want free flowing traffic thats why they are turning roundabouts into junctions under the pretence of safety.

Where I live the mostinconvenience is caused by drivers adhering to the 20mph limit on roads which for years were 30mph roads.

Speed limits used to be based on the speed most motorists thought was safe. I live on a single track road with no lights so the speed limit is 60mph in spite of blind entrances and bends. The local A route road is straight with wide footpaths and housing set well back in large front gardens. Speed limit 20mph! Explain how sensible the difference is to a friend who has been struck several times by mirrors on vehicles on this road here.

@eljay5009

Ай бұрын

That's still supposed to be the case. The government has a white paper on setting local speed limits - and it has this to say: "Speed limits should be evidence-led and self-explaining and seek to reinforce people’s assessment of what is a safe speed to travel." "Unless a speed limit is set with support from the local community, the police and other local services, with supporting education, and with consideration of whether engineering measures are necessary to reduce speeds - or if it is set unrealistically low for the road’s function and condition - it may be ineffective and drivers may not comply with the speed limit." "Where there is poor compliance with an existing speed limit on a road or stretch of road, the reasons for the non-compliance should be examined before a solution is sought. If the speed limit is set too low for no clear reason and the risk of collisions is low, then it may be appropriate to increase the limit."

@EvoraGT430

Ай бұрын

Lower-speed roads require less maintenance. Coincidence?

I wish Quentin would have done a little research. The TfT's own research into towns and cities across the UK with 20mph zones shows no difference in accidents, injuries or fatalities after implementation.

@CyclingAdventuresUK

Ай бұрын

I meant DfT not TfT

@paulbrookes5365

Ай бұрын

Most accidents occur in towns below 20 mph,in the rush hour that has been fact for decades..

@WhiteDieselShed

Ай бұрын

@@paulbrookes5365 Are most of these accidents people crossing? Probably no data but crossing in front of or behind a bus?

The main problem was when you have questions in the official small consultation that the Welsh Govt did, which was about 1000 people, that confused or even tried to mislead people. The official questionnaire has now been quite hard to find, anywhere (Lee Walters must have taken it with him hen he suddenly left!!) but when the main question was something along the lines of, 'Do you agree with a 20mph zone on restricted roads where there are pedestrians and cyclists' Well, I think most would say yes to that as you would be thinking of a town center, village school etc where there are people walking around. However, the sly part they put in there was, 'Restricted Roads'. How many people actually know that a restricted road is actually a normal 30mph road. Certain councils went to far, but then again they wern't given proper guidance. 20mph on some roads and some areas in extremely dangerous as some are driving at about 18-19moh thinking they will get a speeding tickets above that. Some are now chancing pulling out at junctions or overtaking people when they never did when it was 30mph. It's one of the worst things the Welsh Govt has ever brought in. They need to concentrate on things that actually makes a difference to peoples lives in Wales and not try and think they are getting one up on Westminster by doing things differently,

I went to Wales recently and observed the 20 mph speed limit. On one particular day, I had patiently waited behind a slow moving bicycle travelling uphill in a 50mph speed limit and found myself completely unable to overtake leaving the statutory 2 metre clearance and sure enough , I had the time to observe that the self righteous cyclist had compromised hisown safety by clipping a go pro onto his helmet. Well, we eventually go to the top of the hill, the road straightened out and I was able to finally overtake legally. A further 1/4 mile up the road, we entered a built up area where there was a 20mph limit and I dutifully slowed since of course we were on the other side of the hill and we were now going downhill and looking at all the speed camera signs. The cyclist sped past us at well above the speed limit and was also overtaking on the inside and hardly leaving any gap at all. We passed through the built up area and the speed limit returned to 50 and we once again were climbing a hill very slowly following that same cyclist and were totally unable to pass. Eventually, the individual tired of his pedalling and became a pedestrian and therefore walked in the gutter with his bicycle....again disregarding the highway code in that he wasnt facing the oncoming traffic. The fact that this herbert had made himself a pedestiran then allowed me to find sufficient space to overtake in a totally legit manner.I concluded that neither the laws for unlicensed vehicles or the 20mph speed limit have been very well thought out. I wondered how many times speed cameras in 20mph regions have snapped cyclists. I also wondered how all this was of any actual benefit to the planet since the tailback from this one cyclist was substantial so much that I would imagine that it would have been extremely difficult for the cyclist to remount his bicycle in a safe manner for quite some time.

@MrJenklns

Ай бұрын

....zzzzzzzzzz...🙂‍↔️🙂‍↔️🙂‍↔️

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Cool story. You should perhaps re-read your Highway Code. Speed limits don’t apply to bikes and there’s no requirement for a cyclist to push their bike with the bike in the gutter facing oncoming traffic.

@geofwassell

Ай бұрын

@@MrJenklns and still you read it all!!!

@geofwassell

Ай бұрын

@@nuttycommuter3718 Hmmmm wrong! speed limits apply to all road users while you can't normally be charged for speeding on a bicycle you could, in extreme cases, be charged with careless cycling (maximum fine £1,000) or dangerous cycling (max fine £2,500). Furthermore, local bye-laws can impose limits on cyclists. and the highway code for pedestrians walking along roads with no pavements has stated that they should walk facing the oncoming traffic on the right hand side of the road. Perhaps you should have a look at the highway code, I learnt that one before I was old enough to hold a valid licence.If you're having trouble its under the guideance for pedestrians.Pedestrians pushing bicycles are not regarded as being any different to pedestrians pushing trolleys, zimmer frames or prams they are on thier feet, they are pedestrians.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

@@geofwassell speed limits only apply to motorised vehicles. Read the law

There's a road near me which recently changed to 20mph (from 30mph) which was a minor inconvenience. However, they have now added lots of really tall/ sharp speed bumps which throws the car around even at 12 mph. It's ridiculous.

punishment for speeding in wales has always been taken to ridiculous level, like the guy that was charged and find for doing 33mph in a 30mph zone whilst riding a mountain bike. The 20mph limit was just a scam to be able to send out more fines and generate more income for the government.

@silversurf6159

Ай бұрын

@bazzingabomb1705..........How did that come about ? Cyclists do not have to comply with speed limits !!

@bazzingabomb

Ай бұрын

@@silversurf6159 Although the speed limit doesn't usual apply to a bicycle, It is a criminal offense to ride a cycle either dangerously or without due care and attention whilst on a road. they deemed the speed he was at was dangerous that's how they got him.

What’s needed here in Wales is to return to common sense when councils applied for a 20 mph zone outside schools, hospitals, care homes etc.. Something else that’s needed is data from the eight areas of Wales that have now had 20mph imposed upon them for over two years showing how many lives/serious injuries have been saved due to the 20mph limit.

And Scotland are about to go down the 20mph route in addition to the present 20mphs already present AND spending 45 million in doing so. Makes you wonder who it's all for...

We made all roads in towns, villages and cities comply with a blanket 30 mph speed limit as early as 1934. and its has stuck with us and done us well ever since. Some 95% plus of drivers adhere to it or near to it. The older 20 mph limit set previously was abandoned and removed by the RTA of 1930 as it fell into disrepute but then again many vehicles, prior to them becoming lawfully required in 1937,did not have a working speedometer. So how would a driver know that he was exceeding that 20 mph speed limit?.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Don’t lie. Multiple sources confirm that 80% of drivers happily admit regularly breaking the speed limit

This is what government guidance has to say on this subject: "Speed limits should be evidence-led and self-explaining and seek to reinforce people’s assessment of what is a safe speed to travel." "Unless a speed limit is set with support from the local community, the police and other local services, with supporting education, and with consideration of whether engineering measures are necessary to reduce speeds - or if it is set unrealistically low for the road’s function and condition - it may be ineffective and drivers may not comply with the speed limit." "Where there is poor compliance with an existing speed limit on a road or stretch of road, the reasons for the non-compliance should be examined before a solution is sought. If the speed limit is set too low for no clear reason and the risk of collisions is low, then it may be appropriate to increase the limit." I guess we are seeing what happens when that guidance is ignored.

If you drive at 20mph you’ll just get flashed and cut up by drivers who don’t want to drive that slow. That’s happened to me in London where someone almost took my front wing off!

I live in Wales and have decided to add 2 miles each way to my daily commute . This is for no other reason other than to avoid the 20mph zone roads and be stuck behind some buffoon travelling at 17mph. So, ironically, the new 20 zones have caused me to create MORE pollution 🤷‍♂

So how much tax payers money has all those 20mph now 30mph road signs cost and who signed it off? Whoever it was wants sacking!

The common stupidity of of some MPs is beyond belief.

@iankuah8606

Ай бұрын

The terminally lacking in talent usually become politicians or flip burgers in a fast food joint.

Drakeford brought it in, then he told Councils to enforce it,and pay for road markings and signs. What an utter "i did it because i can" Brick.

Why are the folk who make these ridiculous decision with public money NEVER HELD ACCOUNTABLE…!!!!😡😡😡

People power!

@MrJenklns

Ай бұрын

Vote Labour ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

mathematically the slower you go the harder the engine works. 20mph is not a environmental issue. What makes mr wilson an authority?

@gazza595

Ай бұрын

He's been a motoring journalist for decades and perhaps while not an authority, he's an opinion people have listened to and more PAID to listen to for a very long time.

@ericritchie6783

Ай бұрын

"mathematically" ...

@EvoraGT430

Ай бұрын

Your mathematics is complete garbage, I'm afraid.

@markjwilcox

Ай бұрын

@@gazza595 - he's also a big proponent of EVs so he must be right about environmental issues. LOL.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Wrong

🇬🇧Spot on Quentin ! Absolutely bloody spot on,Thank You 😀

I have noticed our local roads are far more dangerous since the 20 mph limits. The 20 limits take away ones attention to their driving and many others are completely ignoring it and speeding past in a dangerous manor. As a pedestrian since the 20 limit I have to be very careful. Basically its a complete failure.

My cruise control sets in at 25 miles an hour. That would be a compromise between speed, safety and the environment

@theSTUNTHAMSTER

Ай бұрын

Try using the speed limiter instead.

@commanderspock5983

Ай бұрын

​@Turnipstalk Nope, I have a 2019 vauxhall combo cruise control will not work at 20 mph...speed is to low

Drakeford was Too Cheap to accept his deluded Policy was Wrong How about saying 40mph max on the tiny little lanes in the countryside which are Peppered with potholes

I was in Wales the day this came in. It was so poorly implemented with roads going down to 20 that clearly should be 30. The local authorities just didn't use their power to keep 30 where appropriate. And i think the answer is 25mph, and change the law to make that possible.

When the choice is to watch your speedometer or the road ahead, there is something wrong with the legislation. My high torque SUV accelerates from 20 to 28 mph on an uneven road surface in a couple of seconds, then you spend the next 10 to 15 seconds watching the speedometer while you let the speed drop off. I put in a commercial speed limiter set to 30 mph after getting a ticket on the second day I owned the car. Not deliberate speeding, just the result of a surprise increase in speed coming out of a dip in the road.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

Nice way to admit driving without due care

Speed is naturally moderated by drivers per the road design - NOT by signs posted along the way contrary to road design. Signs are over-simplistic failures by over-simplistic people's over-simplistic imaginations. You MUST think DEEPER, all the way to cause & effect.

The person that first brought in the 30 mph speed limit knew what and why he was doing it. His name that I know but not able to spell properly is associated with zebra crossings and the beacons that flash at the road side.

@smorris12

Ай бұрын

Belisha

@alanmusicman3385

Ай бұрын

Mr Hall Belisha.

@geoffwright9570

Ай бұрын

A simple spelling should have been able to do it myself. Thanks everyone.

A guy I follow posted footage of a collapsed road in Wales, which has been collapsed and impassable and abandoned for years - with its shiny new 20 signs 😐

20mph on large main roads just makes people angry snd frustrated

duel carriage ways should be at least 40 not 30mph its a joke some people can run the speed of 20mph and ive been overtaken by pushbikes, going faster then 20, When are the people in charge going to realise that its the pedestrians that need educating to cross the roads at the right places and not in between cars on busy roads. Doing 20 in the same area for longer will still churn out the smoke, it must be just as bad as being in an area for less time doing 30, as well as causing damage to the vehicles travelling at that speed in between gears. i honestly think the people in charge are loonys or they dont use the highways themselves, probably they are chauffeur driven in company cars.

Was in North Wales today, 20mph in a busy built up area is not bad, however the complete melts that drive at 15 mph are the problem

@rdrhouse

Ай бұрын

i've overtaken cars doing 15mph without exceeding 20mph. It's so much fun and they blast their horn at you like lunatics. It's a new form of sport.

@markjwilcox

Ай бұрын

@Redducati1199 - this is happening in the South Wales valleys too. In my near 40 years of driving, I've noticed there were always drivers who would drive at around 5mph less than the speed limit, even if the road was perfectly straight and dry an with good visibility. As 20mph is such a slow speed anyway, driving at what amounts to 75% of the actual limit is so much more noticeable. To be fair, though, I think they're afraid of accidentally reaching 21mph and being done for speeding.

For no reason at all other than revenue generation, they made the Welsh side of the M48 50mph meaning you now speed up to 60mph to cross the Severn Bridge! Makes me laugh every time I drive it 😂

The politicians couldn't read or just ignored the report they'd commissioned, but it said: “There is not enough evidence to conclude that there has been a significant change in collisions and casualties following the introduction of 20mph limits in residential areas” Atkins AECOM and Professor Mike Maher (UCL) were commissioned by the Department of Transport in 2014 to address the gap in evidence available on the effectiveness of 20mph speed limit (signed only) schemes. Twelve case study schemes were studied, from a variety of area types, road types and scale. Published 22 November 2018 Last updated 11 March 2019

How is this going to work? So when they roll back selected roads, some roads will be marked 30mph and I’ll be able to go 30mph, whilst other roads I’ll go 30mph and ignore the stickered 20mph signs. Just when I’d got used to ignoring ALL the 20mph signs.

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

No. They’re not changing the default 20mph so if there’s no signs, the speed limit is 20

@revelationmd

Ай бұрын

@@nuttycommuter3718 didn’t sense the sarcasm in my post, huh?

@nuttycommuter3718

Ай бұрын

@@revelationmd apparently not 😉

Oh, dripford, the dictator and his incompetent cronies, got it all wrong. Tell us something we didn't already know.

I remember a road traffic sign, which said "accident black spot" and you drove accordingly. They were removed because the signs were in diverse areas...

West Devon Council apparently can't afford to change speed limits, our road has a school, doctors surgery and only pavments in places. There was an overwhelming response to a questionnaire in favour of a 20 mph limit in parts of the village here, that was several months ago and we've yet to hear anything. Personally I find the roads over the border in Cornwall to be much more in tune with modern thinking and methods, such as traffic calming and speed bumps.

I'm a Londoner living in Wales. The labour government, in Wales, has completely lost the plot over the last few years. The 20mph madness and their stance on gender and eroding women's rights has lost them my vote. Reform UK or SDP for me.

@TheStargoose

Ай бұрын

Reform are just a different bunch of vocal elites though really. Leadership with unifying ethics plus actual economic chops are what is needed in Cymru.

When most people are staring at phones, satnavs and dash board screens etc. 20mph can be too fast. Lets just get back to driving.

@markjwilcox

Ай бұрын

@800beemer - the 20mph blanket limit has stopped people staring at phones, satnavs and dashboard screens as they are too busy staring at the speedometer. I now set my speed limiter at 20mph so I can concentrate on actual driving and being aware of what's happening around my car as I'm driving rather than trying to keep my car at or below 20mph.

Here in SloMo Wales, I regularly drive on a stretch of moorland which has no pavement, is flat for miles and has no walkers. It’s 20mph. And nestled on the verge, about a mile away from the nearest house, is usually a speed van. Now if that isn’t just revenue driven, I don’t know what is. 💸

The only problem is that the cost of changing the signage will now be met by local authorities who are already cash strapped.

Regards the question of public consultation. Little or no such consultation was ever carried out as the use of vehicles developed and increased. That latter failure has allowed massive problems with use of vehicles to develop unchecked and unmonitored (for the most part). All we are hearing against these speed limits, is arguably the shouty voice of the more aggressive vehicle user; and they very much involved in the problems associated with vehicle use. The age of unlimited rights for vehicle users is over. Now other constituencies are having their voices heard. Driving and vehicle use, is a privilege, not a right; so accept and obey required regulation in a densely packed world of diverse stakeholders.

@BeaHindebars

Ай бұрын

Accept and obey? They've got you well trained I see 🤷‍♀️ wait till they come after something you value because they will. You will own nothing and be happy.

@creepycrawlything

Ай бұрын

@@BeaHindebars Life doesn't boil down to a binary between fundamentalist anarchy and supine subservience. Myriad reasoned positions exist between these polar extremes. There isn't then a single monolithic sinister "they". Life comes at you on myriad pathways, and you judge what comes at you on its own merits and demerits. Some things you support and some you oppose. For me these 20mph speed limits need to be supported (on their merits); and those who break these speed limits need to be opposed (on their demerits). "They" do not make an appearance or have an effect.

@BeaHindebars

Ай бұрын

@@creepycrawlything well let's resume this discussion in a few years, you may then have figured out who "they" are, or maybe not. 🤷‍♀️

@creepycrawlything

Ай бұрын

@@BeaHindebars "They" is a term and concept, embedded in an ideology, which plays part in the self-construction of some people. There are many other alternative options for self-construction, which do not involve this term and concept and ideological dynamic.

@BeaHindebars

Ай бұрын

@@creepycrawlything ok 🤷‍♀️

Labour in Wales must get voted out ASAP. We need change and I'll be voting Reform or Conservative but no other party

@Knappa22

Ай бұрын

Was this the Consercative party who voted *for* the 20mph originally, and whose Leader Andrew R T Davies called ‘common sense’? This was before the backlash of course and now they’ve jumped on the opportunist bandwagon.

Why do they have 20mph outside a school when you're driving past one at 2 o,clock in the morning ,utter madness let alone causing more pollution.

Politicians making up silly speed limits means everyone loses respect for politicians.

All cars should be speed restricted to to walking pace - and have a man walking in front of them waving a red flag !!!! - We all know that this is not about air quality and not about safety ! Responsible drivers know the appropriate speed for their vehicle and the external conditions - before our police force became politicised they would only 'nick' you for speeding if you drove at a speed which was unreasonable and too fast for the conditions - regardless of the speeding signs - for example if you were driving through a 30 limit at 45 mph on a deserted road at 3.00am they would not stop you ! These ridiculous speed limits stick yet another blow to the heart of our free and democratic society.

You should come to Buckley in North Wales all road's are 20 miles per hour

@junehill4636

Ай бұрын

Yes Sue ...and Buckley has had to endure this farcical idiotic 20mph for the past 2years as we were the 1st Guinea pigs to be piloted ...The new Transport Minister should know all about Buckley/Mold area as he was a reporter initially for the local paper...as it would appear that this is now going to be thrown back into the Councils court ..I really hope that Flintshire CC will reverse the A549 road between Buckley /Mold back to 30mph ...it is the main road and has been a nightmare crawling behind those whose think that 20mph ..means 15mph or less ...Do something right for a change Flintshire Council and then address the atrocious state of almost every road in the area ....!!!

@rononel8046

Ай бұрын

​@@junehill4636Flintshire CC have had that power since the initial implementation of the new default, they could apply to Y Senedd to have roads remain/turned back into 30 mph roads. The fact that they haven't already doesn't bode well...

What a waste of “public” money, those responsible for the waste should be made to pay it back out of their own pockets🤷🏻‍♂️

The pollution since they did it is beyond the pale and together with the aircraft seeding with nano metals it's almost unbreathable in the city.

Imagine believing it cost 33,000,000 to put up some road signs 🤡🙄🥱

Wonder if all the signatures on the petition came from Wales?

@macraghnaill3553

Ай бұрын

No, Because I signed, people who don't live in Wales do use the roads

@theSTUNTHAMSTER

Ай бұрын

@@macraghnaill3553 I live in Wales and want it to stay, keep your nose out.

@mariemccann5895

Ай бұрын

Can they write?

@ChangesOneTim

Ай бұрын

@@mariemccann5895 By "they", to whom are you referring?

@JohnSmith-bx8zb

Ай бұрын

@@macraghnaill3553 you mean people that go to Wales once in a blue moon. Plus how many of those who signed have or had points on their licence for speeding

Don't worry the fools in Wales that want 20 mph everywhere can relocate to Scotland where they plan 20 mph for everyone. Cars, Buses, Lorries, Bicycles, Trains, Planes.

@davecooper3238

Ай бұрын

Perhaps come to Scotland & find out you have been having your leg pulled.

Driving in reverse would take so much traffic off the roads as most people would be back home before they set off out, it would also stop accidents happening because the car in front would actually be behind you. 😂

Where I live in Wales, there are some roads that are 20mph in one direction and 30mph in the other. These are single carriageways not dual. It means that you can get fined one way on the same road.

Why do those who oppose to the 20mph speed limit keep saying it is a blanket ban, when it is not🤬🤬🤬. I am not for or against it, but for goodness sake get your facts right.

@smj337

Ай бұрын

A blanket would suggest it was quite indiscriminate in its approach, which given the issues and now subsequent roll-back, would seem an appropriate term.

@davecooper3238

Ай бұрын

@@smj337The point being made was it was never a blanket 20mph limit.

@smj337

Ай бұрын

​@@davecooper3238on the contrary, it was exactly that.

@geoffreycodnett6570

Ай бұрын

It's a blanket ban in all areas with street lights less than 100 metres apart. On unlit roads with no lights and only single track the speed limit is 60mph. Before criticising a comment a little use of some brain cells is appropriate. The UK wide limit was 30mph on lit roads. Now that Wales has made 20mph the default any thoughts on the effects on foreign visitors? As a default there's no requirement for repeat 20mph signs. Motorists are a cash cow.

I live on a 30 limit road in Wales which is now a 20 and I and other locals bless the day when the limit was reduced to 20! Quentin talks of the minority who exceed the limit but that is a joke! Most who pass my home now do 30-40 but before they did 50-60! I can now enjoy my front garden and sit there. Why is all the discussion about motorists? Do not locals count at all?

@johncummins3860

Ай бұрын

The road was there when you bought your house! Or did you not notice !!

@Benzknees

Ай бұрын

Why stop at 20mph? Why not reduce it to 4mph & have a man with a red flag in front, to warn pedestrians? Why not ban vehicles altogether & everyone goes by foot?

@lordtherapeutics

Ай бұрын

I smell BS

@matthewbooth9265

Ай бұрын

There are more drivers than locals...move somewhere that is quieter. If people were doing 50 or 60 in a 30...it wasn't the speed limit that was at fault anyway was it but lack of enforcement. So now you make previously lawful drivers break the rules by reducing the speed limit further, yeah great. Now i have to drive even faster to get where i am going to because of such delays.

@theSTUNTHAMSTER

Ай бұрын

@@matthewbooth9265 Try leaving home a bit early.

I live in a small village in Wales, up to the 20mph being introduced I never saw overtaking in the village. Since it its introduction I have seen 32 instances of overtaking in the village, that not including the numerous times I have seen these incidents. In other villages.

They're going to leave the potholes as the alternative traffic calming measure.