the older version knocked me right out. her entire musical journey has been astounding.

@pibly7784

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting..... Thanks.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

It really is astounding.

The older versions is a great example of courage artistry. So many singers are held to ransom by their prime vocals and are trapped in the past. Yet in the second clip, Joni was unapologetically candid about her older voice and highlighted its strengths.

Beautiful, Beautiful, Beautiful, then and now, POWERFUL SONG and etc.

I prefer the older version, but she is absolutely amazing. I hope she will be around a little longer.

The younger version is more innocent, and hopeful. "Dreamer" as you put it. It goes very well with the type of music, which is 60s folk or something like that. The older one is a woman who has been ravaged by time and experience, and is coming out "the other side" a woman who can look back with gratitude at it all. It has a more dramatic, dark arrangement to go with it. Very appropriate.

@AlanHope2013

3 жыл бұрын

It must have occured to her at some point that the cute pure blonde child who wrote that song could never have looked at life from both sides. When she had the chance to look from both sides, it all sounds so very different. Sadder, more resigned, better informed, less dreamy, and finally ready to admit truly that she really didn't know love at all.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHope2013 it’s almost like she wrote that song so that it could be sung later on... that emotional connection she has with the story is breathtaking.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, everything is very thought through, as it should when preparing an arrangement for a performance like this. There are no accidentals, it got carefully planned and had its purpose.

Aleksandra - Thank you so much for your expertise and comments as you react to Joni's 'Both Sides Now'. I have listened to so much music in my life, but I have never spent so much listening time to one artist as I have with Joni......going back to 1971! Love love LOVE Joni. Thank you.

I enjoyed your comments very much. The later version is incredibly deep and emotional. Thank you, Aleksandra.

Beautiful. Thank you for doing this. I have been a Joni fan since 1973 & I agree with you that the 2000 version is amazing. She’s one of the best singer, songwriter, painters that ever lived. Our world is better for having JONI in it.

How could she have been so wise so young? I love and still apply BOTH SIDES NOW as a lighthouse. And her voice!!! She inspired many later female singers in music history, her style was new and unique... And she was describing her times as a young hippy ....

Aleksandra, I remain equally transfixed by this truly sublime performance of Joni's beloved classic. You picked up on some of the many nuances that make this performance--and its arrangement--so beautiful. It takes a special ear, attention to detail, and love of music to appreciate what Joni and the orchestra have created--juxtaposing her decades-ago version with this modernized one was an excellent choice for a video. There is something so life-affirming to behold people like you who are as moved by this as I am... Thank you!

Joni and I grew up together, and went through most of the same cultural evolutionary processes together between 1970 and 2000 (at least!)... I saw her in concert thrice over the course of her career, and I actually met her at an art gallery opening featuring her work! Joni is THE preeminent singer/songwriter in the folk, pop, rock, and jazz genres, and even painted the covers for virtually all of her albums! IMO, there's just no one better, and that includes that guy Bob. Thank you for examining Joni through one of her most iconic songs, sung in 2 performances 3 decades apart!

From that same album, "Both Sides Now," there is a tremendous song you need to re-appreciate: "A Case Of You." The orchestration raises the hair on my arms, so closely does it suggest the mood and feeling of Richard Srauss's "Four Last Songs," particularly in the final bars. Props for the arranger, Vince Mendoza. You are correct about her voice maturing and gaining experience as well as her delivery which is much more thoughtful than in her hippie years, Her best album. Reminds me of Billie Holiday. You got the jazz influence right too.

Joni was an unapologetic chain smoker and her voice really did change, especially after the 80s. Joan Baez's voice still sounds great, and she's in her seventies. When Joni flips from chest to head voice, it's done with a bit of a yodel, which is one of her stylistic trademarks in her earlier work.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

The cigarettes wouldn’t help but that also happens with age sometimes, due to muscular and hormonal changes within the body. It really depends on the individual, with good voice care and a lucky biological setup some people are able to maintain their voices throughout the years. Sometimes though, even if the were taking care of their voices, the biological changes win. Having said that, Cigarettes are definitely not recommended for voice longevity. That and my professional vocal health concern aside, I do enjoy how her voice sounds like now as well.

@moonstone1159

3 жыл бұрын

I don't disagree; she also has talked about changes in her throat muscles, but the raspiness due to cigarettes was apparent at a certain point. Nevertheless, her voice remains rich with the character of a lived life and she is one of my favorite artists of all time. Love her!

You are amazing! I trust you and your judgement. Thank you for sharing your gifts. Joanna UK

Joni Mitchell has written a Masterpiece. My all time favourite Artist. It's as if Joni had already grabbed the essence of life in her twenties. This is the signature of a true Genius. 💓💓💓💓💓

Thanks. Your comments are all so true. The 2000 version is, for me, unspeakably beautiful.

She is a breath-taking artist and performer...and this was a very interesting look at these two versions of this song. Thankyou.

I couldn't agree with you more... the "in her twenties" version is a great song, but it's a song. The 2000 version is a wonderful, wonderful summation of what life is, she sings around the melody, phrasing like it's a conversation, all going straight to the "heart". Listening to the 2000 version always touches something inside.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

It’s simply wonderful, isn’t it?

@charliebell5073

Жыл бұрын

@@AleksandraVocalCoach And as of July 2022, there's yet another iteration...

Thank you so much for that thoughtful reaction. I listen to Joni all the time and still you gave me a new perspectives for listening. It always heartens me to see others admire and respect Joni so much. Thank you!

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

You’re very welcome, Luke, I’m happy I could provide another perspective.

im really glad that your reaction is someone whos taken the time to know the artist not just listened to the song i think your analysis was spot on i really have great respect for joni so it really touch me thank you

This is one of the most moving, evocative vocal performances ever. Joni has explored several genres in her career. I highly recommend that you listen (and react) to Amelia and Hejira, both from her album Hejira. I lived and worked all over the country for 7 years, and it was as if she had been traveling along with me. Also the song Refuge of the Roads from that same album. She has lived on the road, and she knows what it is like. I think Hejira is her high point--haunting, sere and lovely, all at the same time. She throws off metaphors in these songs without even breaking a sweat.

I have wondered how Joni hides her wings when she playing.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

We all keep on asking this question

Thank you for analyzing this iconic song... I remember hearing this as a young man and being moved into feelings and emotions that omly Joni could evoke. When I first heard the 2000 version I couldn't fight back the tears...thank you for such an honest commentary...

She wrote songs I heard when we were both about the same age - young 20's. It took me another 30 or 35 years to understand and feel them. We need to find where she is hiding the time machine.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

I keep wondering about this myself...

I'm getting good, I already knew she was switching between head and chest in the chorus before you said it. I never made the connection that the head and chest switching is a symbolism of the whole "both sides" thing. You're pretty clever.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

4 жыл бұрын

Rosannasfriend well done for recognising the registers! I’m glad I could provide yet another side to this.

What a wonderful, heartfelt and intimate reaction. Thank you so much.

It’s funny, I’ve never read the younger version as positive, but more that inevitable moment of realization in youth where you transition from being a big shot know-it all to realizing how vastly lacking your knowledge actually is. It’s a moment mixed with shame, confusion, but also an exciting door opening for you to learn more and do things better. The older version captures the same revelations as experienced much later in life. They then align more to emotions of nostalgia, regret, maybe some bitterness that there isn’t as much time or opportunity to learn more or get do-overs. This is especially poignant when thinking how Mitchell’s life devolved because of Morgellons, a torturous psychiatric condition in which one believes sores on your body (often self-inflicted) contain fibrous material like threads or feathers. It is a delusional condition (or so medicine currently believes) and thus deeply alienating. To think someone so brilliant at capturing in lyric the human condition would suddenly be ostracized for a condition nobody can relate to or even believe...is just too painful. She will remain at the top of my list and I think Blue is a rare, perfect album.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

I think your interpretation is also very true. The younger version also has the melancholic undertones, no doubt about that!

so beautifully and respectively done!!

You have beautifully interpreted these two performances. Very well done. Bravo.

My fave Joni song is Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire. Thanks.

Great reaction Aleksandra, l have never listened to these two versions together. I just love the fresh and new thought and emotion your reaction has brought to such a classic. Thanks, Steven

Beautiful interpretation! Thank you.

Ageing is part of it, but her voice wouldn't have deep in quite as much if not for the smoking. It's a totally different voice, which I still like.

@pibly7784

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes ! Totally agree.

@lightaces

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, four packs a day will do that to you.

@AlanHope2013

3 жыл бұрын

The smoking is part of her living. If she had been lazy about moisturising or had stayed up too late you wouldn't even think to mention it. But you have your crusade and that's all that matters. Our lives are the sum of all we do, good and bad. And we only get one, so there's no point in regret. Especially when you're regretting the choices of another.

@lightaces

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHope2013 I get the feeling you didn't read any of the comments you are replying too. No crusade here (though, from a public health perspective, smoking DOES effect people other than the smoker, even before we get to issues of second hand smoke), just acknowledging that smoking is part of her voice's changes.

@pflynn581

3 жыл бұрын

@@lightaces Yeah,the smoking has definitely taken its toll.To say there's no point in regret in life is utter rubbish.Most people have regrets in life.

I subscribed because I liked your reaction to Dimash and I'm glad because it led me to this one. I've never heard the 2000 version of this song and loved it. Thanks so much for your insight and comparing the two.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, if this was the first time that you listened to the 2000 version then you’re very welcome! Glad we could listen to it together.

I love Joni Mitchell her Music it's gold for my ears and the meaning of each song it's really beautiful I prefer the 2000's version of both sides now song. Also the song a case of you it's another song which it's really beautiful in the 2000's version with orchestra

@AleksandraVocalCoach

4 жыл бұрын

I hear you, I also think her music is amazing. The 2000s album "Both Sides Now" is fantastic! That's a great recommendation!

Brilliant analysis, thank you

What a wonderful incite full commentary thank you

Great interpretation!! Great insight! Thank you!!!

Thank You I’m brought to tears!

Beautiful song and excellent commentary.

Yes Jody did a jazz LP / CD with the pat matheny band a couple of years ago think she s into jazz a lot

brilliant reading, thank you!!

Thank you Alexandra Thank you!!

Thanks for the sincere and insightful review of such a wonderful song and for highlighting the differences between the two versions. It's nice to see your appreciation of Joni's song writing and singing ability as many younger people probably haven't hear of her.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

I grew up listening to some of the wonderful singer songwriters like Joni Mitchell, Leonard Cohen and so many more. We need to know our music heritage so that we can draw from it as musicians, artists, and cultured, conscious human beings.

@steveullrich7737

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleksandraVocalCoachThanks for the reply. It's great that you were exposed to these artists. I guess that they inspired your interest in coaching. Would love another Joni Mitchell review from you. :-)

I always liked the original version, but truly fell in love with the 2000 arrangement. It’s so full of emotion and pain and sadness. It pulls my emotional strings very strongly. Thank you for making this video. It would be very interesting if you could analyze Johnny Cash’s “Hurt” against the original version.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the suggestion about Johnny Cash. I agree with everything you’re saying about the 2000 version of Joni’s song.

Two other worldly humans touched by the hand of God, able to transmit that ethereal light, and who could function on an artistic level beyond comprehension: Joni Mitchell and David Bowie.

Never noticed before about her singing the consonants - as a jazz trick.

poetic genius

This is great, thank you! I wonder if you could do a second video zooming in on technical aspects of her singing in the phenomenal 2000 version? 🙏🏽🥰 That would be invaluable contribution coming from you!

Joni Mitchell. Listen to “ I Had a King “, and “ Night in the City “. Great Artist !!

The second version shows the influence of jazz on Joni in her maturity. It is very much a jazz ballad.

enjoyed your reaction❣️I love both versions. Besides the fact the second version is 30 years down the road from the first, her heavy smoking also had to have affected her voice.

She's such a wonderful preformer, live is so much better than production version. One of the all time greatest jazz artists of all time. On top of being a goddess.

Thanks for this. I had never heard the 2000 version. Liked it much better, more mature and experienced. Recorded at about the same time as her original version, a cover by Dave Van Ronk is also worth listening to. Very gritty and filled with that "life experience."

Joni wrote this great song in her youth. Then in her mature years she understood the true meaning of what she had written. The result is trully amazing. I feel like I'm learning this song for the first time.

Your reaction is as beautiful as Joni’s voice

Yup. I agree with you with most everything. I don't believe that this song can be sung by someone young as they wouldn't have the life experience to tell the story as it should and as Mitchell does in the 2000 performance. I did not hear this version until I saw the film, "Love, Actually" and Emma Thompson has a mini breakdown to the 2000 version of the song. It is story telling in the mature version and it is no longer a "things I need to see" song but a "things I have experienced" song. Many songs change for us as we get older. My example if "Over the Rainbow"`! When I was a kid watching it every year around Easter, it was a song about the future, hopes, dreams, etc. As you age, though, the lyrics take on a new meaning finally arriving at the point that the lyrics are more about what dreams and hopes were never fulfilled. Songs evolve with age and we evolve with them with age. This song is a classic and has been covered by everyone. Her voice, though, in 2000, after a lifetime of smoking and such, made it perfect in that moment. Sadly, she no longer sings, having had a stroke a few years back but this 5 minute video left us with a huge inspirational version, if still reflecting back.

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@NebraskaGonvilleJones

3 жыл бұрын

Hej Aleksandra, I most definitely cannot sing to save myself (so unfortunately won’t be signing up for your course) but just wanted to say thanks for your wonderful content and say hi from Australia. Keep up the good work 🙂

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

@@NebraskaGonvilleJones thank you so much for your kind words:)

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

@@EstebanAlvarez_ thanks for you insight, lovely to hear from you, Est!

Her early version tells the story. The later version lives the story.

You made me finally appreciate that "new" interpretation of "Both Sides Now". For a long time I really didn't like it. Here's why: I love the original and her angelic soprano. And I always found it tragic how her heavy smoking affected her voice that dropped lower and lower from album to album. So, when I listened to the 2000s version of "Both Sides Now" (the song and the album) I only ever heard a totally destroyed soprano, muffled, hoarse and raspy. But you now forced me to listen more closely and take it at face-value. Also, I happen to have had voice lessons in recent years so now I was able to hear how her voice is - albeit no soprano anymore - far from destroyed. She is still an immensely capable singer with a wide range and a lot of tools to express herself. Shortly after watching your video I pulled the CD from the shelf and listened to the whole album, and voilá: It is a great album after all :) Thank you!

I'd love to hear your take on Lena Horne's classic, Stormy Weather, from the 1943 original to her later versions, especially her later 60's recordings

She has aged significantly and smoking like a chimney probably hasn't helped. Even so, this version is so elegant. You could hear a pin drop. Everybody is on the edge of their seats listening to every nuance. She has such expression in her music. She always knew how to tell a story through her fantastic musical ability. You can almost hear some Streisand in her phrasing.

@craigeverhart4755

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that the key was going to be lower-but WAY lower. Originally she did it in G, but now it’s D an octave and a fourth lower.

Joni is incomparable. She goes straight to your soul. I can't think of any other female artist remotely on her level. The closest artist in my opinion was/is Sarah McLaughlin on her album, Fumbling Towards Ecstacy.. In particular the songs, 'Posession' and 'Elsewhere'. Sarah is also Canadian like Joni. So many of amazing artist came out of that country. Would love your reaction to to either of this s songs. Very deep and powerful album and artist. Pls react to them. I think she will touch your soul as they have many others'.💟

@johndavidwolf4239

Жыл бұрын

Although different, there are several artists I would put on her level, Joan Baez being one.

@debramandra6338

9 ай бұрын

LAURA NYRO. Very different but equally gifted, briliant and talented. They were contemporaries w the same record company. One of the few artists that Joni respected.

The older version is much better! This is a true testament to her skill as a sing & songwriter

You are very insightful. It does seem that though Joni wrote the song as a younger woman (moons and Junes and Ferris wheels) her more mature self, with a more experienced soul, was better able to interpret it. Thank you.

You'll do. Just kidding ! You are clearly a talented vocalist!

Joni was reading Saul bellow ,Henderson the rain king , you can see how the book inspired the lyrics

Also, lol Rufus Wainwright has done a fantastic cover of this song :-)

first of all, when she got older she started playing with jazz, and she was a real genius

@matteomiele8081

3 жыл бұрын

the older version is basically jazzed

Kids, another reason to stay away from cigarettes. She still knocked it out of the park, but her voice was damaged.

Love your video :) I love Joni Mitchell. Bob Dylan and she changed music. For me Dylan is the better writer, but that is subjective of course. If I'm honest I have to admit to loving the early works of both artists the most :( Although these COVID-19 days Bob Dylan has turned out some great new songs and a new album is coming.

So beautiful and a beautiful reaction

Comparing these two performances - 30 years apart - is kind of pointless. Firstly, this is not a song to be sung by an ingenue. The song sounds...unreal from someone who isn't at least 40. Time matured and ripened JM's voice to make those clouds into a wall of cumulus. The poetry of it she wrote from a childhood that brought pain and a certain amount of maturity with it. By 2000, JM's voice caught up with her soul. There's no comparison.

The end of childhood...

The 2000 version is evocative and deep and sad ... hits you straight in the feels ... every time.

You should react to measha brueggergosman’s love cover of “Both Sides Now”.

Is that Mark Isham on trumpet? Sounds like him.

It takes a LOT of cigarettes to get the lower voice

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

The cigarettes wouldn’t help but that also happens with age sometimes, due to muscular and hormonal changes within the body. It really depends on the individual, with good voice care and a lucky biological setup some people are able to maintain their voices throughout the years. Sometimes though, even if the were taking care of their voices, the biological changes win. Having said that, Cigarettes are definitely not recommended for voice longevity. That and my professional vocal health concern aside, I do enjoy how her voice sounds like now as well.

Or your view on anything by Judy Collins (my favorite singer 🙂)

Lovely commentary, but please try not to overdo it in the midst of a passage. You've a brilliant ear, but let the bit play out before your comment, then rewind to further emphasize your point. Again, you are spot-on, only rushed. Now, based on your obvious ability, I shall be happy to subscribe.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

If only I could remember what I was thinking for that long and for everybody else to get my point, maybe I would do it ;) I retreat these videos more like analysis videos, not „reactions” really, so that conversation is important to me!

👍 Liked and Subscribed ✌️ #YouArentABoreYAY 🤭 #JoniMitchellsMusicIsASonicHug 🤗 Thank you for allowing us the pleasure of your company. Oh, and you're a real class act as well. Ciao! 🤓

Very Love it. By the way. Please do the reaction to Morissette Amon with her newest cover of "Fly Like A Bird by Mariah Carey". Check this amazing cover on her YT channel. Thank you ❣️

Surely, by now, you must've gotten requests to react to Dimash and So-Hyang, but here's another one. Even if you don't do reaction videos, you owe it to yourself to at least listen to their work. Some suggestions: Dimash: "S.O.S." (Slavic Bazaar 2018 - the definitive rendition thus far) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWZt3KeuirnHqNY.html "The Love Of Tired Swans" (Kremlin 2018) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/h61s27OlYq6zkrg.html "Sinful Passion" (no glitch at climax, better overall audio quality -- Sochi 2018) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYCspcyCeMu8Xco.html “Ogni Pietra” (“Olympico”), “Ulisse,” "Know" (“Ascolta la Voce”) (most exquisite version thus far), “Passione,” "Ti Amo Cosi” @ Krutoy Jubilee (VTB - Moscow) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6RkrKaeYKjef8o.html&feature=em-uploademail "Late Autumn" (“I Am a Singer” 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/aJ2LsZmud9HHpqw.html “Diva Dance” (Bastau 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/oWmur9ephbLNgdI.html “Love is Like a Dream" (Moscow 2019) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/qoB5s9yfobLFnJM.html “Give Me Love" (“I Am a Singer” 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKCEspOqlqy6kco.html “Akkuym” (Bastau 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4Ojsa6eYLSfd8o.html "Unforgettable Day" (“I Am a Singer” 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKGTqsSzdcm9Xdo.html “Daybreak” (Bastau 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-OtqyjfNKqZpc.html ”Without You” (Bastau 2017) - kzread.info/dash/bejne/c4d4u9CKd8yTcZM.html These should be a good starting point. ~~~ So-Hyang: "Everyone" - vimeo.com/249195615 “Where Are You” (no interview interruption during climax) - vimeo.com/254194327 "You Raise Me Up" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/ppmTrpuolsu7pJs.html "Arirang Alone" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/rHqt0MaEabm1c84.html "Lean on me" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/eaqnyaWlnMa0gKg.html "Oh Holy Night"- kzread.info/dash/bejne/i6ubqJWAqc_bXZM.html “The Power of Love” - kzread.info/dash/bejne/fqaCzbiLoq6dj6w.html “I have Nothing" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/X3tnmpqdhKStf9I.html “In The Flower Garden” - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nmytyNhriNyumtI.html "Bridge Over Troubled Water" - kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWqdqsptqaXec9I.html ("Hug Me” to "Mona Lisa," below, were performed with a mask on, on a show, called “King of Mask Singer,” on which the performers are supposed to perform anonymously, so that the audience will presumably choose a winner based purely on the performance. The last link among these is to a compilation video of all of So-Hyang’s solo performances on the show, in order of performance.) "Hug Me" - vimeo.com/217301888 "Home" - vimeo.com/222079856 "Dear Love" - vimeo.com/212597227 "Do You Know" - vimeo.com/214374144 "Breathe" - vimeo.com/220191647 "Mona Lisa" - vimeo.com/297885714 So-Hyang solo compilation on “King of Mask Singer” - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iXWdvKiTotPLctY.html For more, the following is a site with links to a plethora of live performances, compiled by some truly dedicated fan(s): sohyang-live.com/live

Would like you some time to do the same for Joan Baez, a 30 year gap singing the same song.

Here's the original hit version. Much better! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoBlt9CgltTVmqw.html

1970 that was 5 years after she had a daughter that then she could not then provide for so put her up for adoption they reunited in 1997.

Thank you for nice reaction! I am waiting for your reaction to probably the best singer in the world DImash Kudaibergen. Please react to his song SOS: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWZt3KeuirnHqNY.html Be prepared to be very very surprised! Greetings from Denmark!

Joni is a notorious chainsmoker and it's well known that it has destroyed her voice.

@AleksandraVocalCoach

3 жыл бұрын

It would not help

@jimcarlson6157

2 жыл бұрын

I don't mention your ceaseless need to devour cheesecake do I?

@NinaRomanenkoSings

Жыл бұрын

Her voice is gorgeous now- rich, husky, jazzy - full of character and soul. Oh - and there is not a flat note in the second version - which is amazing especially in an older singer…

johnny mitchell?

Her voice was pretty much gone by the time she did this !!!!! It's good none the less !!!!!!

@manikarnika7750

4 жыл бұрын

NOT GONE! I think the point of the video is that her voice has become an entirely different instrument capable of being used in an entirely different way.

@pibly7784

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree !