這次是 The Home Take, 不過接下來也會Re她的Live演唱會

@user-jv8we9up8d

11 ай бұрын

可以請老師講解ado的歌嗎🙏

@victor95783

11 ай бұрын

可以請老師react 另一位日本男歌手yuuri - betelgeuse 嗎 🙏拜託

@blackpillow8617

11 ай бұрын

​@@victor95783推推 這首超厲害

@user-rn4qc1ck4f

11 ай бұрын

@@victor95783 推yuuri 真的很鬼 ~

@fat-old-man-slim

11 ай бұрын

期待

老師真的很厲害，想說的the home take不至於修音吧，ikura的唱法是很像人間初音，3:29的地方跟ikura在直播片段的版本對比，確實the home take這一段音更高，沒修音的比較低 再感嘆一次⋯老師真的好厲害😦

原來我過去覺得她那厲害到有點不可理喻的高音多少還是有修過的 不過還是無損我對她的愛

@Selfish587

7 күн бұрын

沒有修 他本來就是這樣機械音 所以他剛出節目時候分兩派 一個喜歡他唱的 一個覺得他機械聲聽不習慣不喜歡 你可以多看看她出的節目 歌唱比賽

@chih-hsintsai959

2 күн бұрын

我個人是認為基本上沒修(頂多只有修一點點瑕疵處)。基本上ikura這是仗著年輕嗓子好才辦得到。對照的是最近跟ano合唱兩首歌上TFT，一首ano修很大(絶絶絶絶対聖域)一首ano修很少都鴨子音(青春謳歌)，但是ikura有沒有修都一樣。

It’s great that you are analyzing the song without understanding the lyrics and just going by melody (digitized or not) and the rhythm (and notes). I agree she’s clear for young listeners nowadays

You can notice that a lot of Japanese vocalist took a lot of inspiration from vocaloid. If you listen to her live, she has this autotuny characteristic to her, almost like her signature. I think it is her artistic choice and I found that fascinating. She has her own channel as well if you are interested on seeing her other performance.

「鬼束千尋」非常值得一聽！聲音非常特別的創作型歌手，而且前期的風格跟中後期轉變極大。

請務必聽ado現場的踊😍

謝謝老師，讓我們更深入了解這首歌和這位歌手！❤

看過老師的講評更能了解這些歌手為這首歌用什麼樣的情感來詮釋,期待有機會做韓國歌手IU的影片

@chih-hsintsai959

2 күн бұрын

這位老師不懂日文，所以其實不知道ikura為甚麼這樣詮釋。這是一首涉及【跳樓自殺】的小說的歌，所以ikura唱得很拘謹，只有在歌詞之間的[啊~~]才會用比較多聲樂顫音之類。8:00 轉調，是前一句歌詞講[其實這句話(想要去死)也是我想說的啊]，然後就整個強制降key。到 8:19 主角下定決心一起死，所以又再強制轉調升key，整個唱開來。如果了解歌詞是會有恐怖感的。

这个时候ikura还比较苗条🤣曲子里音符的跳跃其实是Yoasobi的特色了……老师多听听可能就习惯了，人型初音不是白叫的

@Selfish587

7 күн бұрын

真的 超同意你說的

@maovera8975

5 күн бұрын

从一开始听到现在，ikura真的无愧人型初音的称号，一如既往爱他

敲碗 中島美嘉 曾經我也想過一了百了 一定要是病還沒有好開演唱會的那個版本 真的聽一次哭一次

Due to the nature of Asian languages you will find more pitch perfect singers than in the west. There are studies that have shown this.

@Shinobitate

10 ай бұрын

Exactly, besides that she isn't using auto tuned tech in this.

@po9397

26 күн бұрын

This only applies to "tonal" Asian languages, which Japanese is not, according to the article "Tone Language Is Key To Perfect Pitch". She's also done a vid on one of Yasobi's live performances and you can defnitely tell Ikura's not pitch perfect.

@siekensou77

23 күн бұрын

@@Shinobitate exactly. it's First Take. it's raw

看著老師講評 停不下來啊！！！ 一則則影片接著看 請不要斷更~

Recommend for reaction, interesting vocals and song: Reol - 切っ先 / THE FIRST TAKE (There are many very powerful voices in Japan right now, and not all of them are known in the Western world) She's on stage: Reol - 平面鏡 [Live at MADE IN FACTION Tokyo]

我很好奇如果给她听mafumafu她会有什么反应。 日本机能bug

yoasobi要來了！十分期待

老師如果可以的話請務必也聽ado的現場，謝謝❤

第一次聽YOASOBI唱歌 被圈粉了

希望老師能去聽一下yoasobi 跟大阪高校吹奏部一起的群青🎉

推薦The first take 的yuuri(優里)－ベテルギウス　期待老師會有什麼樣的評價

提名一些可能不太会被推荐到的歌手，石川さゆり、夏川里美、小田和正、久保田利伸、宫本浩次

Ayase果然是把Ikura當Miku🤣

希望能讓老師聽現場的idol

This kinda of light fluffy voice is highly valued in certain genres, including historical western civilisations. It was so valued, they would castrate young male singers(females weren't allowed in churches back then) to keep their youthful voice. Look up the history of the Castrato if you are interested.

Ikura sings with similar quality at Yoasobi's live, amazing isn't it?

許個願想聽老師評價ONE OK ROCK Take What You Want: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i5uimMOihNeplbw.html Your Tears Are Mine: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jH1ttMmPqd27ZNY.html We Are: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p62VrdGjZ9qncrw.html Renegades: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fKF31aOtmti_Y84.html

passionate!

感谢up听到了jpop粉丝的声音，推荐official髭男dism的《cry baby》和《lady》的live，他的唱功在一线jpop歌手算相对好一些的…🎉

日本の民謡を聞いてみるといいですよ。凄いですよ！

想聽老師評一些日本高音男歌手，比如Novelbright，Yuuri 或者 Da-ice 的 First Take

老師有機會能再多評一些Jpop歌手嗎？例如藤井風、西野加奈、濱崎步、misia和久保田利伸嗎？🙏

敲碗yoasobi的idol

Ado live

推薦她唱的idol

😂😂😂真的要讓老師知道人形初音不是假的😂😂😂

为老师唱过点赞！

其實畫面暗下來，不吹不黑那裏才是老師真實心聲XD

@haoxianglyu7929

11 ай бұрын

Everything is so edited...

期待up主让老师出一个评价the one 听海 那个live 感觉是最强版本。

敲碗 LiSA 在 the first take 的炎!!!

@user-xs1so4ew6z

11 ай бұрын

LiSA

一堆玻璃心欸？被說修音又怎樣？事實就是有修啊？ 為了讓歌曲本身保持完美適度修音還好吧？為何要一直堅持人家沒修音？ 現在工業音樂就是如此盛行，哪怕是演唱會效果器掛在mic上也不是什麼先例，不要老講的你們都住幾田隔壁房行不行？ 老師只是講”有修”但沒講難聽好嗎 有夠噁

突然想到。老師可以考慮參加一下我想和你唱 搞不好有機會跟周深一起唱歌

老師真的專業，First take應該有修音

ado live 踊 +1 絕對精采😎

@cclin6225

11 ай бұрын

Ado一定要推的！

@liquanyeow1029

11 ай бұрын

大推

@user-nw3gn4ey5s

11 ай бұрын

真的一定要推！

@ABC-eo3ws

11 ай бұрын

順便強調一下 這是在唱了24首歌之後唱的😍😍

@driverlola

Ай бұрын

這部片子，老師95%時間是真的帶著微笑在欣賞的❤❤覺得也很開心

Loving Airy falsetto + thick & bold at the end! Very beautiful!

終於到 二姑奶， 希望接著會是 Ado / Aimer / Milet / 星街慧星🙏🏻

Yoru ni Kakeru was intended to sound robotic/emotionless like a vocaloid song so yeah, it's great that you notice that

@siekensou77

23 күн бұрын

how is this emotionless or robotic?? do you not hear the emotion in here? especially in this version

@annaphi7445

23 күн бұрын

@@siekensou77 this version is not, but the original one was. This version still carries part of the original tone tho

希望可以給老師看看這首歌的歌詞 是在講憂鬱症然後影響了另一半然後一起跳樓的歌 所以處理上面就會比較沒有用一些技巧避免影響要歌想表達的

聽了這解說之後完全聽得出來每首歌修音的部分xD 真的有差 我也是比較喜歡現場的不完美感 更有音樂的美感

We believe in the First Take channel, we don't fix anything. And Yoasobi can do perfect singing, you just dont believe.

@ABYSSXEL3314

5 ай бұрын

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice May be they have different standard in (home-take)?

@_irwinlaw

3 ай бұрын

@@ABYSSXEL3314 hey, its quite an old comment but i do want to maybe bring it up, she did the same song on instagram live(you gotta find it, but there's only one) and it sounds exactly as what we're hearing here, so i still quite strongly believe this is real

@ABYSSXEL3314

3 ай бұрын

@@_irwinlaw I don't understand why you saying these to me, I am not saying anything about "fake" or "real". As mentioned in the video here, I am saying the highest note of the song is being "edited" which is aka "auto-tune". And I dont understand why this song is on instagram can prove it is "real", what is the logic here can u elaborate

@_irwinlaw

3 ай бұрын

@@ABYSSXEL3314 no no I didn't mean that because it was on instagram its real. What I was trying to say was that it was on instagram live, and I don't believe you can do the auto tunes on the actual instagram live streams if you get what im saying

@ABYSSXEL3314

3 ай бұрын

@@_irwinlaw well, then obviouly you are not getting the main point here, Vocal Coach and I just pointing out solely about this video of “home-take” has auto-tune, and nothing more. Of course I know Ikura can sing all these notes perfectly I have hear all different lives of her, I am a fan of her. Noone is challenging her ability or sing skills here, but that doesn’t change the fact that this home-take version being editted.

可以做一期oneokrock嗎?謝謝QAQ

低音跳耀致高音速度快到一瞬間完美轉換，人類控制調節那部分是靠修音上去

老師有沒有機會聽聽看優里在the first take 的ベテルギウス ❤個人覺得是封神級別的現場

@wutnever1108

Жыл бұрын

我也覺得優里的那場TFT很厲害！

@blackpillow8617

Жыл бұрын

@@wutnever1108 真的很神

@RimuruTempest-ly9uw

11 ай бұрын

+1

@user-ov4kn1eh9b

11 ай бұрын

first take版的感覺甚至比原版好聽 真的很誇張

敲完 kenshi yonezu 😍

Thank you for the sharing. Now I learn from you about autotune.

来期孙燕姿吖😊😊

想聽老師講解mrs. green apple 的点描の唄的Live版本，真的很棒很好聽

interestingly there is a japanese thing called vocaloid, they love this perfect sounding style

@cclin6225

11 ай бұрын

學習到了❤

大家可以去聽Jolin那一集，感覺自然許多，我觉得應該是沒修。(我不是她的粉，但真心覺得她相當不錯。) 其實這首從頭到尾都有進機器編程處理過了，老師指出的是比較明顯之處。 因為我從頭到尾聽到的都不是完全的人聲。(剛看到@todayisagoodday說這是日本一種叫vocaloid的東西，製作出來的音樂會更為大眾喜愛。) 她唱的很好，但這可能業界已經習慣了刻意的去精緻化歌手的聲音，即便是很厲害的歌手，為順應市場也得接受這樣的微調整。 可能是活在明星演唱時數位化還不普遍的時代，所以當我看到費玉清在大陸參加我們的歌時，麥克風出現機器人聲，覺得非常不適應呢！(因為他在台灣演唱時，沒有那樣子的狀況)😮😮😮

@hasndsome

11 ай бұрын

Vocaloid比較廣為人知的就是初音未來，是直接用機器合成的電子人聲唱歌，不是指人聲的處理。當然Vocaloid只是其中一種軟體，也有其他家電子人聲的軟體。

@cclin6225

11 ай бұрын

@@hasndsome 所以它是一種用來製造合成人聲的軟體？ 所以是我認知有誤呢！(我是真不懂這方面)。 謝謝分享您的專業。

@hasndsome

11 ай бұрын

@@cclin6225 就是軟體裡面有幾種音色可以選擇(各音色有自己的名字 像初音 鏡音等等)，你做完曲後可以用這個合成人聲去唱出來，要自己調整音高音色。詳細怎麼調整的我不懂沒摸過，不過每個人調出來的會不太一樣。另外因為這個完全是靠軟體編輯，所以是百分百精準的，前面的留言就是在表達有一部分的人偏好這種精準的合成人聲。再說，因為是寫給軟體唱的，所以編曲很容易有大跳音等等人類很難做到的樂句，而Yoasobi的作曲Ayase本身也是Vocaloid的作曲家，這也導致Yoasobi的歌很多跳躍的音符。

@cclin6225

11 ай бұрын

@@hasndsome 資訊量有點大，得好好的再多讀幾次，謝謝！

The 1st take is live. She's not using Auto Tune. Let's correct your statement.

@hpmc7426

10 ай бұрын

1st take is live recording, and with a recording you can do anything with it. Same stance with the host, Ikura is a legend, but that doesn’t mean we should not be better educated in how the music industry works. A live recording is , well , a recording. A live “audience” is the only way to be auto tune software free. But that is exactly why they use backtrack in live stages, have you ever wonder why no one uses backtrack in recordings.

@luantang4437

7 ай бұрын

Stfu :)) Its edited somewhere

It's first take. It cannot fix or technical change hers voice, ok？

敲碗中島美嘉的曾經我也想過一了百了！

It's first take, literally there's no practice session or anything like that. The moment you sang that song, that's the part that will be uploaded. I don't think they will go their way to edit a performance just to sound more in tuned knowing that they have uploaded performances of artists that have mistakes or out of tune.

@scorpiongurlz89

11 ай бұрын

Hard to say about this one. Technically, this is not the first take, this is the home take. We don't know the difference between both procedures.

@user-il6ny6co3i

9 ай бұрын

このおばちゃんは、最新の音楽事情はあまり知らないんだね。

@ABYSSXEL3314

3 ай бұрын

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice

@user-ii8hv4ct5i

24 күн бұрын

このテイクが使ってるかは知らないが、今のオートチューンやメロダインはリアルタイムでもある程度ピッチ補正できるから、今の時代Liveだから全く補正が入って無いと言い切ることは出来ん。

我希望他可以去聽她的演唱會 他也出了很多節目比賽 一直都是機械音 他就是因為真的太強才紅的

想知道她會如何評論林子祥，謝謝

Pretty sure there isn't any auto-tune tech in this performance, hence the whole first/home take. People are just used to the sucky (sorry for putting it this way) singers who can't sing without the auto-tune, but there are many singers world-wide who just have perfect pitch and all that and are just good at singing, and western producers, vocal coaches mistake their tone for auto-tune, which isn't the case at all

@ABYSSXEL3314

5 ай бұрын

After she pointing out, it is very obvious for me to hear the auto-tune. Especially when you listen in 2.0x speed, becoming a robot voice May be they have different standard in (home-take)?

@IBLIZA23

2 ай бұрын

@@ABYSSXEL3314 I don't know. Maybe 1/3 instances she pointed it out does sound like there's some digital assistance. But I've seen ayase and ikura practice/composing their songs on some Jap youtube channels throughout the years and she does seem perfectly capable of hitting these high and fast transitions. The making of idol has one segment where she's practicing and Ayase is asking her to switch faster and higher and she pulls it off without issues. However I don't doubt there's some autotuning in their studio released songs.

@user-us5im9ng8t

29 күн бұрын

Okya~

@pianoandwhisky

25 күн бұрын

It's quite apparent, but not prevalent throughout the song. Auto-tune (pitch correction rather) wasn't designed for singers who can't sing, it is also used on instruments in recordings (e.g. guitar string bends that are less than perfect).

修音是不是指wasu到re(忘 到 れ)這裡太過滑順的意思?

可以react一下Katrina Velarde的Go the distance嗎🥹 跟Morisette 一樣很優秀的菲律賓歌手

看到這集開始好奇有哪些電音歌手是喜歡唱大顫音的？感覺好像不太搭。

我發現我耳朵聽不出修音得地方...

好奇蘇打綠或是青峰個人的會被怎麽評斷（我指的是但對團體或是個人而非比較

i want to be educated

I saw her singing on ig live and its not autotune its just her she’s talented

這個出片速度我都懷疑是不是專職的youtuber

她在直播自彈自播那個版本更讚

当山真玲的歌能安排吗😢

當山みれい -《願い～あの頃のキミへ～》 kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2WLq6lqkq_Qn7A.html 当山姐姐的歌求安排😋 还有袁娅维的凄美地，靠近，阿楚姑娘

敲碗椎名林檎的現場Live！！

希望老师能做一期優里的ベテルギウスthe first take版本的reaction

可以请老师react 张信哲的雨天吗？

1:17

Please react to zutomayo first take.

我也討厭autotune，但不知道為什麼，Ikura在這次演唱中的那幾個高音修的我超愛，我個人覺得很舒服，可能是Ikura本身音色對我很加分? 我猜的。

@chih-hsintsai959

7 ай бұрын

HomeTake版，她的高音不見得有修音。ikura的高音是蠻厲害的，低音才是她的弱點。比較可能修低音(像怪物)。

9:21 好明顯的痕跡

真的會讓人一直想要挑戰聽出有無修音但我還是無法，希望老師能做一個比較讓耳朵沒什麼用的我也能理解到…

很想听老师评价萧敬腾

not auto tune

@HKSinger

11 ай бұрын

There is nothing wrong with some tuning for the purpose of stylization.

真心希望老師可以聽聽one ok rock的we are或是taka的翻唱🎉❤❤

2:30、4:25、6:09、8:57 修音處 老師有沒有機會做一集用自己的歌聲加上 auto tune 讓大家比較修音前後的差別呢？凡人如我實在有些地方(2:30、6:09) 聽不太出老師指出有修音的地方 😭😂

@whyHandleIsntAvailable

11 ай бұрын

我也聽不出分別, 希望她可以講解多一點 我找了不同的LIVE 來對比 2:30 的部分聽起來也差不多一樣 其他LIVE 的片段 kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJp22ZaHpNXdXaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaOmj7Gkd87QZLw.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/faOu0MaCnZe1o6Q.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY6opNhpmLfTYdo.html

@asdfqwer6058

11 ай бұрын

@@whyHandleIsntAvailable 我本來也聽不出有沒有修，可是聽完這4個live，感覺那個修過的re好像比較高

@huahuamaow

11 ай бұрын

@@whyHandleIsntAvailable 你好用心哦！感謝提供 live 連結 我在想是不是我用手機直接播出來比較無法聽到細節，有空再來戴耳機聽看看

@whateveritbe1499

11 ай бұрын

其實正如老師說的，即使聽live我們也會覺得＂很相似＂，而這個＂很相似＂是對她這種聲樂專業的人而言 我們這種只是愛聽歌的人真的聽不出來也不奇怪 對於像調音師／歌手／vocal coach這類每天都在跟音色音高打交道的人而言， 真的只是那麼一丟丟的差別都能聽出來 之前看過調音師教修音的video，他指出要修的音，然後教怎麼修， 我自己重聽了好幾遍還是聽不出差別，但看程式顯示的音高和尾音，的確是有修改的😂😂 我也只能想，不愧是專業的😂

@dubu5529

11 ай бұрын

第一个真听不出来修过

how about suzume?

There is no editing in the first take, thats why its called The first take, every song is done in one take.

@HKSinger

11 ай бұрын

Filming it all in one take doesn't mean there is no editing. It's quite common. We already saw that many times on The First Take.

@JKAIMusic

11 ай бұрын

When anything is mixed and mastered. There is editing. There are some tuning here for stylization purposes as you can easily tell if you work in the industry.

@Ray-xv9dw

11 ай бұрын

It’s the home take, not the first take

@ragingtomato04

11 ай бұрын

​​​​@@HKSinger'm no expert on autotunes or anything but I hear no difference between 2:30 and her live performances and even her ig live kzread.info/dash/bejne/hJp22ZaHpNXdXaQ.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/kaOmj7Gkd87QZLw.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/faOu0MaCnZe1o6Q.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/kY6opNhpmLfTYdo.html Plus firstake have uploaded performances that have mistakes or out of tune

就知道😍🤩

我主要的疑問是 如果這真的有修 那老師的意思是不是違背the first take的宗旨 所以我好奇的是究竟誰是對的 如果老師真的這麼篤定修過 是不是可能只是老師不知道有人能辦到

@_nagi7052

7 ай бұрын

The first take 只是一次拍完 沒說過不修音

@joechan2733

5 ай бұрын

​@@_nagi7052 高質回覆

可以評價宇多田光的《one last kiss》】嗎

所以老师听过mafumafu了没w

There's no need for vibrato now that microphones have better technology, at least that's what I've heard. I feel like vibrato predates electricity but so does singing without it. The old catholic monk chanting is a good example

訓練耳朵好有難度，哈哈 我的耳朵還不夠😅

私心許願有機會能評珂拉琪🥹 一個霸榜街聲的統治級業餘玩家

I don't really understand the choice of singers and songs for Rozette. It was the same for Zhou Shen first video (a compilation of his most uninteresting songs, hard to find, I admit), why choose RAIN from the abundance of great Korean singers (my personal choice would be Kim Feel, but there's So Hyang etc), now this nice but not really amazing song from Yoasobi - why not ROCE, for example, with her haunting voice (死神舞踊 feat.ロス, Follow, Jishu). I just don't understand. I really would like to see Rozette in awe while discovering those fantastic voices from Asia - there's Cakra Khan (Indonesia), KZ Tandingan (Philippines), No Party for Cao Dong (Taiwan) and many many more...

The frist take是沒有修飾直出，歌手出錯也會照出影片，所以才會稱first take

@kalas8923

5 ай бұрын

想說並不是，而且也不是真的只有one take的機會，不過這樣說，節目也沒說死是這樣，只是大家把事情完美化去想像罷了

@mingchon20

28 күн бұрын

還真天真呢

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