i had an american singing teacher that kept telling me to sing 'naturally' and to 'stop changing my vowels'. it was ridiculously hard to explain that he is in australia and i am australian with an australian accent.

@kelsiehibberd8998

5 жыл бұрын

The fact that an American singing teacher noticed you "changing" your vowels is a good sign if you're Australian! Most of us Aussies try singing in a "neutral" accent which often sounds American, embrace the Kasey Chambers and Missy Higgins Aussie singing accent.. hahah. I swear most Americans love hearing Aus accents.. I remember hearing something on the radio when Dean Lewis released "Be Alright" and some radio host was froathing over how he said "mate" ahaha

@begumnazcakir

5 жыл бұрын

ahshahhaahahahahshahhaahah that cracked me up

@taylorbritt499

5 жыл бұрын

@@kelsiehibberd8998 I'm only replying to you to say that "Be Alright" is SUCH A GOOD SONG. If you enjoy that song I'd recommend the song "Polygraph Eyes" by the artist YUNGBLUD They kind of remind me of each other. Plus Polygraph Eyes is just a darn good song :)

@vic_cresss

5 жыл бұрын

Should’ve sung Sticky Fingers 😂

@naritruwireve1381

5 жыл бұрын

The "sing naturally" thing I get cause you don't wanna be singing as if you're voice acting spongebob squarepants, but to stop changing your vowels, I dont... vowels are so important for so many different reasons... crazy

Taylor Swift is a fantastic example of how an accent changes per the genre they're singing. Her country albums she had a "country" accent, when she started singing more poppy songs, suddenly the accent is gone.

@neverenders1111

6 жыл бұрын

Rachael Wagstaff yeah and even depending on the style of her pop songs the accent changes within that. example: i love that song "wonderland" that she made but parts of it sound... British?

@PetroleumJellay

6 жыл бұрын

I'll give her a pass because it doesn't seem like she's doing anything dramatic to change her voice. Just small changes to fit the style and she still keeps the same tone more or less. The people in this video are doing the most to change how their voice naturally flows and it's not just the pronunciation and such. like Jessie Reyez is trying super hard to keep up that baby tone.

@Gaborillaa

5 жыл бұрын

Jess Reyes literally talks like that too, like I don’t care for her music but she speaks in that accent and her voice is kind of raspy

@milaroberts2961

5 жыл бұрын

it wasn't just in her singing. i think that spending all that time in nashville and working with a lot of people in the country music scene kind of rubbed off on her. she wasn't only doing it for singing, she had one when speaking as well. so i don't think it necessarily came and went with the singing, but more likely just because of her scene change in general

@Ali-ib4zd

5 жыл бұрын

As a southerner.... that girl has never had an accent 😂

walcom to mai *kisschen* .... we haev *bonanis* ... and *avocadies*

@bridieeleanor

5 жыл бұрын

I COMMENTED THIS BEFORE THE VIDEO STARTED AND THEN THE VINE PLAYED IM DEAD

@haajar2183

5 жыл бұрын

owhvocawdies

@mskayfafidoll7396

5 жыл бұрын

My 1st time seeing the vine 😂💀

@vladdiethebaddie5275

5 жыл бұрын

I’m fucking losing mind at how this is spelled I have to go

@melissahernandez4329

5 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHA

This might be just me, but when you hear someone sing without seeing them, like on radio for example, and you know who that voice belongs to, that to me is a unique voice. The technique might not be unique, but the voice is.

@samsong24

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@user-cd8yi4dk6p

4 жыл бұрын

The technique literally makes them all sound the same

@angellmariaaxoxo24

4 жыл бұрын

They all sound the same to me .......

@wickeli

4 жыл бұрын

angell Mariaaxoxo tune deaf?

@angellmariaaxoxo24

4 жыл бұрын

@@wickeli no , they all sound the same .

,,,that voice has a name.....it's the banani and avocadi voice u should know that as a professional

@demingls4570

6 жыл бұрын

Blut Zucker welcome to my kitchen

@lidia3450

6 жыл бұрын

Demingls Banana Avocado voices 😍😍😍

@seamsungg

6 жыл бұрын

someone wanna inform me of the viners name so i can watch all his vines again

@honeypipe

6 жыл бұрын

Sharnelle chrish

@millygoose3131

6 жыл бұрын

Sharnelle didn’t he do the ninki minjaj vine too?

"High white girl voice." I died, Tristan. I'm dead.

“Yeah mon, I’m rrrraggae mon.” 😂

@aminatnovna8430

5 жыл бұрын

AreYOUaSpider Ik I laughed so hard!

@melissahernandez4329

5 жыл бұрын

Laughing so hard lolol

@melissahernandez4329

5 жыл бұрын

I keep replaying that part while reading your comment lmaooo

@mainechan4889

4 жыл бұрын

I died right there.

@rosario2195

4 жыл бұрын

IM DYING 😂😂😂

I dont mind the trend bc in the 50s we had the bugle boys 1950s type of singing, now we have the whiny indy sound it is just a product of the times....singing evolves were almost in the 20s now it will continue to evolve...

@jackorion7157

4 жыл бұрын

ikr, sometimes the Beatles, Kinks and David Bowie sound very similar, 60's trend

@johnindigo5477

4 жыл бұрын

Or the 2000s pop punk/emo accent

@LinChaiVleymore

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnindigo5477 My favorite of which, at the end of any song: "....tuhnaight." Absolutely destroys me. XD

@nickgreatpwrful5754

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't call that evolution. Just a normal cycle of trends and fads.

@nickgreatpwrful5754

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackorion7157 they're literally all english... That's why they "sound similar" lmaooooo

I always worry that if I don’t sing with some kind of accent, I’ll sound like Owl City

@imissuguys

6 жыл бұрын

this comment made my week

@leedad3161

6 жыл бұрын

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE YOUR EYES IF TEN MILLION FIRE FLIES

@leedad3161

6 жыл бұрын

LIT UP THE WORLD AS I FELL ASLEEP

@wonder_9315

6 жыл бұрын

Brian Corona YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE YOUR EYES

@heneedsomemilk3311

6 жыл бұрын

this is the most accurate thing i’ve ever read

This person really said SZA and Khalid's accents are the same. Bish what.

@sav.2876

5 жыл бұрын

Girl ik

@jacobdv91

5 жыл бұрын

I thought they were just pointing out the fact he was singing her song

@mariellabeatrice5746

5 жыл бұрын

I would like this comment but it says 777

@Moejave1TTV

5 жыл бұрын

ok i like them both but i cannot deny the similarities

@imtired4610

5 жыл бұрын

What I feel like their accent is similar at all

I’m really surprised no one mentioned one of the biggest culprits of this… *Melanie Martinez.*

@memereview9803

5 жыл бұрын

Mister Winkybluff SAME

@echilcote4235

5 жыл бұрын

I love Melanie, but you're right. Lana Del Rey does it a lot too.

@Jen-ti1xo

5 жыл бұрын

But at least she can sing. Her good songs and vocals (in my opinion) distract me from the indie thing.

@Jen-ti1xo

5 жыл бұрын

Emily F Billie isn’t that extreme, also her good voice makes up for it.

@Jen-ti1xo

5 жыл бұрын

Emily F Thats true, I think shes capable of more than what she puts out, but at the same time i still like hearing her voice cause its so beautiful, to me at least, so for me it just balances out the indie thing she does. But at least she isn't so extreme with it, cause then I wouldnt be able to listen.😂

Singing is not meant for you to sound the same as talking voice 😂😂

9:03 From Brendon Urie to Justin Bieber?? Like, truly, how talented.

@alyssam1875

5 жыл бұрын

IKR?!?!? I was taken aback for a minute

@TheKoyn

5 жыл бұрын

BRUH! I thought he was singing a panic at the disco song or a Brandon Urie cover for a split second. How he do dat dere

@roywallace3832

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone can do it or learn to. That's kind of the point he was making.

@charmainen7824

5 жыл бұрын

He is so talented

@tomtomsdad

5 жыл бұрын

I did not hear this until you pointed it out... but yeah he definitely sounds like both of them here.

A lot of this video also was criticizing ACTUAL accents. ...like speaking accents. Artists from the UK sound totally different from the US, and you can sometimes legitimately not understand them -- even those who are not going for an 'indie' sound. In their speaking voice, their vowels are different than ours. When the UK, Aussie and NZ scene took off, this sound became more popular here in the US, too, bc it's a cool inflection. It's just the natural progression of music. Things trend. And, even within this trend, I'd say just about all the examples in this video didn't actually sound that much alike. They weren't even in the same genre. But pop music? No one is saying that they have poor skills or are "making up for no talent" bc they all sound the same. And, if understanding them is a necessity in order to be a "good singer", then Ariana's in trouble. ..only, she's not. Neither is Adele or Sia. Three diff genres, all that have something about their voice that makes them hard to understand depending on where your from. But them criticizing black, native, straight UK/AUS, or black+british voices as an 'indie sound'? What???

@tristanparedes

6 жыл бұрын

YES!

@drewm.2790

6 жыл бұрын

Kaalyn - OPG Very well said

@DJG333

6 жыл бұрын

No one in that video was using their native accent as their singing accent...

@witchassbitch3

6 жыл бұрын

Stfu lorde, zhavia actually has a bit of that tone in her voice, khalid, sometimes you hear it in Halsey's speaking voice too.

@witchassbitch3

6 жыл бұрын

Kaalyn - OPG thank you for saying this and wording it so much better than I could

actually for jessie j she has a english accent so that’s why some of the words sounds like that

@tanihehe

5 жыл бұрын

Yup. Plus her voice has MEGA control over her vibrato and THAT'S her style. That thicc and prominent vibrato along with the HONESTLY GODLY runs are what jessie j is!! The accent just makes it better to me. XD love her and her styleee ❤

@Thesarcasticdom

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it was a poor example.

@ew3606

4 жыл бұрын

She's not singing in her English accent though

@fromchomleystreet

4 жыл бұрын

People ALWAYS say this whenever this discussion touches on a non-American singer, and it’s always wrong. The qualities of her singing voice to which he was referring are explicitly movements AWAY from her native southern English vowel shapes, and TOWARDS American ones. The prevalent style of contemporary singing for most of the last century has been an American style, which is why almost every singer, regardless of where they come from, Americanises their vowels when singing. If Jessie was overtly singing in her own accent, it would sound completely different to this .

@gabrielecome4077

3 жыл бұрын

t-t-that

I feel like the person who made that first video has never heard R&B and just assumes all black singers "put on an accent."

@cariad123

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah like... So I don't know who the black guy who was singing next to the guitar is cause I'm not American and mostly listen to dark cabaret but he just sounded like he was a guy with the accent of where he grew up. I'm wondering if they're upset because he has the typical accent from the *black community* in that area specifically.

@squakerboy4499

5 жыл бұрын

Haha

@echilcote4235

5 жыл бұрын

It makes me mad because people think she's actually a really good singer and that she's "oRiGiNaL".

@Jen-ti1xo

5 жыл бұрын

It wasn’t just black’s in the video though, sooo...

@HyenaFox

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly. They continually cite SZA as an example. I can hear every word she says clearly. The only reason someone wouldn't understand her is because she often incorporates rap into her music (listen to Love Galore) despite being mostly an R&B/Neo-soul artist. The passages they played are incredibly easy to understand, look, I'll do it for each one. First one (Love Galore): "...Skirt down on me, acting like we, wasn't more than, a summer fling..." Second SZA passage (Drew Barrymore) "...I'm sorry I'm not your baby mama, I'm sorry you got karma coming to you, collect and soak it up right..."

I don't really like the baby girl/indie trend bc I don't like the style, but your logic greatly undermines this "truth about unique voices" vid, especially as a real vocal coach.

@mara8809

6 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree. The style of singing isn’t something you can crutch on, or make up, ergo Fergis National Anthem. The huskiness and selection of vowel sounds, inflection, and tone are tools to execute a specific sound the singer would like to have. If you heard, for example, lorde and the girl with the bright tone and couldn’t tell them apart, considering the vast differences in their voices (because techniques don’t really mask individual voices) or even just their approaches, that has nothing to do with what they’re doing. Was this overview simplified, yes, but, it’s hard to be lengthy without being disrespectful in regards to the negative, and incorrect generalization including tones, several styles, a variety of natural and artificial accents and executions. Even if you don’t like this one particular style of singing, watching the video, you had to have noticed some were just more soul-y, a few (to my knowledge) were even just not from the us. The video creator used any indicator of “not a basic, accent neutral, style free voice” as a classifier for “not trained” which is more or less shaming artists for taking their creative freedoms with an unlimited amount of options and making what they like to produce. You can personally not like a style without clumping that style with everything else, and disrespect it.

@bxatch

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think you understood what Stacy was saying. They were saying that despite not liking the style, Tristan clearly explained how singers who use that style aren't all the same.

@bxatch

6 жыл бұрын

Doc Halling Isaiah I was replying to Mara Downer

@WhatAlex

6 жыл бұрын

Stacy i agree... the only person I think it’s working for is Billie Eilish

@iTeacupPanda

6 жыл бұрын

I mean, the baby girl trend is annoying. Blame Melanie Martinez for that. But, Indie in general has a lot of different vocal types that aren't all like that. Florence Welch alone could belt most people off a stage.

Your voice is very easy to listen to. You could probably rant about nothing for two hours and I'd listen to it lol. I like how you can disagree with something and present your reasonings in a respectful way.

@cathymadsen2930

6 жыл бұрын

Kristen R this is why his channel has boomed. Nice and polite, funny, cheeky, and intelligent.

React to Lana Del Rey best live vocals.

@jhun8838

5 жыл бұрын

Alan SW I know right!!!

@meltedicecream5049

5 жыл бұрын

YASSSSSS

@samuraibobafett1118

5 жыл бұрын

YES YE SYE YYES Y DSYE SEYS EYS DFYHSDIAHWDFUSDHBFJDNS

@blacklilkitten

5 жыл бұрын

YES PLEASEEE

@elenaskrzypczyk2480

5 жыл бұрын

YASSSSSSSSSIESNSKSLSJS

If the video being reviewed was about art, it would be like: *"as you can see from the ragged strokes and paint drips, it tries to be abstract which is unnatural in depicting people. And thus is inferior to realism."*

@adolescentbird

4 жыл бұрын

Omg I love this comment

@carter3774

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly best metaphor for this kinda stuff

@ashamarinella

3 жыл бұрын

I love this comment so much ahahahha. PERFECT

@liketheTaj

3 жыл бұрын

Not really, this type of vocal technique/style is actually not ideal for your voice & your vocal cords, and might be unhealthy long-term. It’s not necessarily inferior to more classical vocal styles but it is objectively worse for your voice. To use your analogy, I’d say this is more like if the art was painted using an unhealthy posture of the wrist that puts strain on the wrist and puts you at more risk of injuring your wrist, rather than just a different style of painting.

@selahlodestar

3 жыл бұрын

PREACH

As a sound engineer in training the most difficult thing I've come across so far is how vocalists use microphones. Lots of airy vocalists can't be heard down a microphone due to their technique. I've had many singers with softer airy voices be too shy to be up close to the microphone so it can be picked up then constantly complain about not being able to hear themselves. It's impossible to turn them up without high risk of feedback and noise. So while I agree that airy voices can be picked up by microphones I disagree that it's a technicians fault and that's because the issue isn't projection, it's proximity to the pick up of the microphone. Not hating, just sharing my experience as a sound tech that deals with these issues from the other end :)

@stanconnorstan4266

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, as a regularly performing singer, I have been told repeatedly to literally put mouth pretty much directly against the mic at times for singing specific notes, especially during airier, high notes. I.e. falsetto (I'm a tenor).

@MrProdigy65

6 жыл бұрын

In other words, the microphone is not a snake don't be afraid of have it close, also its not a dick, dont shove it down your throat

@cheesecakelasagna

6 жыл бұрын

MrProdigy love the analogy lol

@cresdc8481

6 жыл бұрын

+MrProdigy the analogu lmao

@iTsKimmyBlanco

6 жыл бұрын

Tbh there’s a lot of things this guy has said that I don’t agree with

I think you are becoming my favorite youtuber just because of how positive and open minded you are.

@cheesecakelasagna

6 жыл бұрын

Schawlie same! i just subbed and have already watched >10 videos of his.

I am a die hard Khalid fan and I may just be crazy but that video of him singing was so beautiful it made me cry ugh

@nupurfaye

4 жыл бұрын

I am also obsessed with Khalid. He don't pretend, he got a natural voice

@carter3774

4 жыл бұрын

Not obsessed though I like his music, but I don't think he's putting on that much of an accent as the video tries to say, I think it's just kinda his voice

Wait, I can understand every word SZA says. Her enunciation isn't the problem.

@lex4643

5 жыл бұрын

yeah same 😂

@finlaymartin921

5 жыл бұрын

*pronunciation

@andblahblahblah7968

5 жыл бұрын

Abigail I heard her 🤷🏻‍♀️

@TheLastEgg08

5 жыл бұрын

Speak for you

@Ibrahim-bv6rv

5 жыл бұрын

Abigail same I heard “all the stars are globso”

"Don't even get me started with that Country shit"😂😂😂dead😂😂😂

Hehe Actually a voice coach, not just a vocal coach. Really loving your channel and the ongoing conversation about technique, creative choice, identity and position and placement of the voice. zhavia is more of a throat singer with some modified vowels and vocal placement towards the back of here mouth rather than a singer doing the 'indie' accent using bad diction to sound distinctive.

"Don't even get me started on country!" *starts on country*

I dont get why people dont like SZA I love her voice shes my queen🤷🏽‍♀️💞my opinion

@ww3bby.392

4 жыл бұрын

I'm still listening to CTRL😭💕

@jaydamay6815

3 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY people like her now tho all of a sudden 😒

@shizzlemywizzle1

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaydamay6815 everyone has their own taste in music ♥️

I loved this, you are so respectful and nice, also it is so entretaining I could've sworn the video was 5 minutes long

something about tristan just keeps me watching. literally been on this channel for hours. keep it up man!!

@jessicay8207

6 жыл бұрын

allyssa ARMY

@bunjhaygum1648

5 жыл бұрын

Same!!!!

When you brought up Opera I went ‘NO DON’T CALL ME OUT LIKE THIS’ I’ll admit, when singing classically, I think of almost a British accent to give me tall, open sounds, only a touch of bright sounds (e being the absolutely last thing you hear in a dipthong vowel, instead of going straight to that wide sound such as in pop, like the letter/word, I, is more of an AH-(ee), because of course the open vowel allows opera singers to project and healthily carry the sound and note). The genre is ALL about open sounds and open spaces, because closing off affects the pitch and projection (like he said, projection is important pretty much only in opera, because opera is NO MICROPHONES WHATSOEVER)

@inthemoment8791

5 жыл бұрын

Unless you're being recorded!

@jhart1127

5 жыл бұрын

When people say "British accent" and they mean a teeny tiny minority accent of London. Which is in England. One of the 4 countries in Britain 😩

@JDsayslol

5 жыл бұрын

@@jhart1127 ok

"Dont even get me started with that country shit" -Tristan ❤

Oh it's called indie girl voice I thought it was called bananies and avocadeeess

'I am _actually_ a vocal coach' 😂

@mayarabaggio6985

6 жыл бұрын

Rosie i think is a shade for Selena "Vocal Coach" LOL

You are very shady while clever and confident in your words. It's a compliment. 😊💞

That vine w the guy copying indie voices is everything lmao

I ROFL so hard at the banaknees and avacadees 😂🤣🤦

@ChronicallyCurious

6 жыл бұрын

MrsG87 Right? I'd never seen that. That just added something to this. 😅 It'll always come to mind when I see baynannies now. 😂

@winstonchaychel

6 жыл бұрын

Chronically Curious I laughed way too hard at it, like snort laughed probably LOL.

@SavviiTuesday

5 жыл бұрын

It made me uncomfortable for some reason.. 😭 I got issues

@tretre3892

5 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 I laughed way too hard at that too

I hate indie girl singing but completely agree with this video. Well said!

@DamnFineCupOfCoffee

5 жыл бұрын

I hate how it's called indie girl singing too. No actual indie artists sing like that. Only this new brand of pop, whatever the hell it's called. I hate how it sounds too. Guys do it too.

@ojikakun

5 жыл бұрын

@@DamnFineCupOfCoffee ITS BANANIS AND AVOCADIS

This side of the argument NEEDED to be voiced in this conversation. Thank you so much for saying this!

To me, music is mainly about having fun and finding a style you like to sing/play in. When I play bass guitar, I love messing around with the different styles and sounds

Khalid has an amazing r&b voice he doesn’t do the indie girl trying at all

@taykhamilton

5 жыл бұрын

Tara Sheridan right, because he does the indie boy trying.

@cushe83

5 жыл бұрын

Yes he does

@jockmaraisasmr5700

5 жыл бұрын

Tara Sheridan yes he does. That’s not an “accent”. It’s completely nonexistent when he talks. It’s only there when he sings and it’s intentional.

@loveunconventionally6043

5 жыл бұрын

Have you actually listened to 80's and 90's r&b??? Khalid sounds nothing like it lol

@runtzzreacts

5 жыл бұрын

Tara Sheridan fr khalid is literally my favorite singer

I love how informative and non confrontational your videos are. It seems like so many people can't disagree without getting really defensive, and we've lost so much of the art of debate because of it. People are so easily led to believe something is true if it's presented in a way that appears logical, so it's nice to see your counter arguments shed light on things people get sucked into believing is a fact

Honestly I don't care how they sing if I like what I hear I listen to it

YOU LITERALLY SAID EVERY POINT I WAS THINKING OF! THANK YOU!!!!!💝💝💝

Love what you're doing, my guy! We need to break these confines of vocal training that only focus on a more classical style of singing and move on to a training that can actually account for different styles. You just might be on to a vocal training revolution, man.

your videos make me feel more comfortable about singing because a lot of times i have been told that i cannot sing just because i cant hit high notes. i have a low, smooth tone and i use that to the best of my advantage but a lot of people find it annoying and only supports high vocals. so thank u for pointing out everything that u have here

This is why I love you. You are so refreshing as a vocal coach. So many are kind of full of BS or stuck int the old ways of doing things aka your opera example. You actually teach for the modern age and I just adore you

I love that your are so passionate about music you like every genre and feel the need to stick up for all voices!!

That’s like saying Stevie Nicks isn’t unique because she’s putting on an accent bsbsbnd literally every singer puts on an accent to fit well with their voice to see which sounds good or not. And sometimes the indie voice just fits better. Like Halsey is used a lot in these videos and I always get so mad at this cause yeah she has a very indie voice but that singing voice she does makes her voice sound really good. And some artists who use it don’t sound good. It depends. (Also that’s just how she sings Idk why people always make it seem like she’s “faking her singing voice” I’ve heard her live for years and it’s never forced and her singing comes so natural to her. Like people gotta research before making these videos lol)

I’m sorry but yodeling boy just dropped a new single and I need a reaction ( Mason Ramsey “Famous” )

@stopstalkingme6030

6 жыл бұрын

Kylie H YESSSS

@Apuyina

6 жыл бұрын

haha I'm going to wait for his video

@LoriDawnLynn1981

6 жыл бұрын

It was surprisingly good

@littleloomer4759

6 жыл бұрын

SkinnyThicc Legend that's not true but alrighty

That "style" is produced by glottal closure, I am very inclined to think so, that's also the feature that gives flamenco it's "quality"; it also reminds me to Shakira in her beginnings.

I just love you, your videos & your unwavering positivity!❤

Yea... that video isn't just illogical, but is pretty offensive when you actually have a speaking voice like that. In particular, SZA and Khalid. Not that they speak exactly like that, but the way they sing is a natural extension of how they stress sounds in everyday speech. Of course it's more noticeable when ur belting out music, but it seems whoever created this video is just someone who interprets a typical American accent as the 'norm'.

@manicpixiecassidy

6 жыл бұрын

??? ??? Lorde as well. She's a New Zealander, and she's just using her accent. (I am from New Zealand. I know the accent.)

@JayySonataWTF

6 жыл бұрын

??? ??? Yeah but if you listen to old SZA sings, she's never sung like that lol

@puthica2060

6 жыл бұрын

Jayy Sonata or maybe before she was as comfortable with her accent and voice she used a generic American accent because thats most likely how she learned and heard others singing. Singing voices are constantly evolving as gain more expertise

@JayySonataWTF

6 жыл бұрын

Pussandra Jones but her vocal technique is actually worse. And if you see her live, you notice sometimes the accent isn't even there. It's very forced.

@sallyanderson8355

6 жыл бұрын

Jayy Sonata agree to disagree but as someone who has heard sza live and it seemed like the scent was natural to them. Especially English is her first language she learned to stress different vowels but I’d love to hear your opinion. In the times I’ve seen her interviews even if he sound isn’t natural it’s still prevalent in her speaking voice

I'd go a step further and say that it seems like different eras of music have their own general sounds... And this "indie girl" sound seems to be this era's sound.

@suk4honesty

6 жыл бұрын

Laynie Fingers yeah remember the weird 1920's singing voice!

@Vampiress16

6 жыл бұрын

talk about the 1950’s...definitely had an accent there.

@drewm.2790

6 жыл бұрын

Laynie Fingers true, the 80s also had its unique mainly pop Madonna and disco style while the 90s is dominated by power ballad and hip-hop sounds.

@LaynieFingers

6 жыл бұрын

Andrew Maliberan Oh, I'm referring to the way artists use their voices in general, and it spans genres. It's one reason I can differentiate between eras fairly well... The was people sang in the 50s is audibly different from the 60s, which is different from the 70s and so on. Personally, I think that might be why a lot of "vocal coaches" may dislike the indie girl sound... Because it's very different, and as you get older, different can easily equal bad. All my opinion, though, so take it for what it's worth.

@halos.1

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

I love your points here. Thank you! I appreciate how open minded you are.

Came across your channel awesome your skill set is just on point.you sound just like my voice coach while i was in high school now Iam a new subbie

I think what I really dislike is how they say “can’t they just sing normally?” or something along those lines. There is no normal way of singing just like dancing- there are basics and techniques but essentially everyone’s voice is going to be different based off their personal preference, genre of music, and the mood they’re trying to give so to imply that the way Halsey, Bea Miller, SZA, Zhavia, Khalid, Lorde, and the other two women sing is abnormal, odd, unnecessary, and irritating is very rude to them. They work very hard to become better singers and get where they want to be and at the end of it all even someone like me, who doesn’t know much about singing and has a pretty okay voice, can tell that they are all different in some way. The video was solely based on the creators opinions not complete fact. THEY can’t understand what’s being said, THEY find it irritating- there’s thousands of people who enjoy those artist singing like that and understand them perfectly.

@moonskumg1433

6 жыл бұрын

Quxn Jay say it louder girl

In my opinion, we really don’t just listen to music for the words. If that were the case we wouldn’t have people like foreign artists. I think its shallow to say that the sound of someones voice or the twang they give in performances is bad or shouldn’t be celebrated.

@Gameworks1407

6 жыл бұрын

The style restricts their artistic freedom, it's like giving a painter a broken brush. This style causes bad pitch precision, awful melismata, no control over volume and causes major vocal problems.

@drigao16

6 жыл бұрын

Ive Mc Fallen How? Give evidence...

@Gameworks1407

6 жыл бұрын

A simple comparison would do. Halsey next to Beyonce. Beyonce goes from loud to soft, while I've rarely heard Halsey sing above mezzo voce. Beyonce can reach down to C3, while retaining control and up to C6, Halsey's never even reached C3 or C6. Comparing melismata would be a joke. I've heard Halsey be so flat it wasn't even in the lower notes flat range. Therefore Halsey is restricted. And since singing in her airy tone would dry the vocal chords there is a big chance she's gonna have vocal damage.

@drigao16

6 жыл бұрын

Ive Mc Fallen Does she needs to hit high notes? I don't think it fit her style, and beyoncé is a R&b singer. There's a lot of great singer without big range. I'm not saying Halsey is an example of someone in full control over the voice, I'm just saying that only a doctor can tell if her vocals are damaging her vocal chords, we are not.

@Gameworks1407

6 жыл бұрын

Of course, you don't need a big range. But even without range, her control is minimal, meaning she is restricted. If your style doesn't demand at least some amount of high vs low then your style restricts you. Low notes, mid notes, and high notes all give different emotions, how loud or soft you sing them also give different emotions, how you phrase them to which tempo all combine, not being able to sing high and/or low or loud and/or soft restricts you.

I've never really liked Halsey's voice for some reason🤷🏼‍♀️

@lauren3596

5 жыл бұрын

Megan Simpson SAME

@lauren3596

5 жыл бұрын

ITS SO ANNOYING

@MzTogar

5 жыл бұрын

Megan Simpson its forced

@beItway

5 жыл бұрын

That video is so old her voice has improved greatly. See her stripped Eyes Closed performance.

@musicbyerii5962

5 жыл бұрын

same here. it kinda sounds pretentious at times

im loving your channel SO much! omg your so amazing and you actually explain your thoughts and your opinions.

Can you please react to Mariah Careys best vocals? Mainly in the 90's

@emiryeksan419

6 жыл бұрын

lilsheep yesss

@instasingingvids3529

6 жыл бұрын

lilsheep yes please!!

@NostalgicNathan

6 жыл бұрын

Yesss and her Grammy performance of “If It’s Over” vocal slayage!!!

@ryans.9502

6 жыл бұрын

NostalgicNathan yesss! And her without you performance in Tokyo 1996

@BreBrebunny14

6 жыл бұрын

lilsheep omg yessss. Even do an album💓

I found your channel a few days ago and I can't stop watching your videos. You're so positive and explain things in an actually understandable way. Honestly just thank you

@wendyvandenbrink3381

6 жыл бұрын

Same!

I think the “indie girl” thing is not appealing. I find airiness and breathiness very easy as a singer, but I would never sing like that because personally just annoying to me, that’s just my opinion though. but your explanations for accents makes so much sense and changed my opinions a lot, different styles of singing are required for different styles of music

@RachelsDarling

5 жыл бұрын

your videos are so helpful and informative!! I’m so glad to have found this channel

@foxsisters6257

5 жыл бұрын

RachelsDarling i guess breathing’s is fine if it comes naturally(like if you have a husky voice) but it’s not nice if it’s forced

@elanan9411

5 жыл бұрын

OH YES PREACH LORd

@naritruwireve1381

5 жыл бұрын

I personally find airiness and breathiness (when not overdone) really attractive for songs that are more intimate with a lot of emotional lyrics. It'd be a bit weird for some songs like that to be sung with a powerful or neutral speaking voice kind of volume.

@YouWillGetThereBuddy

5 жыл бұрын

Airyness and breathiness is super attractive when applied stylistically... Look at billie eilish for instance. A lot of the shit she sings about and the style of her music requires it... The "indie voice" is very technical and is not always easy for most... But because people choose to hate in it they don't even bother to try and understand what is required to do it healthily... Simply cuz uts new and unconventional...

Go off Tristan!!! Love this video and I thoroughly enjoy everything you do on this channel :)

What I find unique voices are singers you can easily tell it's them. There are a lot of singers nowadays who sing almost exactly alike. And that indie voice is so used by so many people nowadays. It's not voice just style.

@orlock20

5 жыл бұрын

It's a style that sells which is why it's done over and over. There is very little originality in pop music because all the labels want to mine from the same vein.

@cariad123

5 жыл бұрын

I agree but at the same time... Why does it matter? Sure, Elliott Smith is more instantly recognisable than some smaller indie singers because his voice is like spiders but it doesn't make him objectively better. I like him more but that means nothing.

@Zeli2tear

5 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY its an easy style to replicate

@TheOfficialBrownHeadedGoof

2 жыл бұрын

@@Zeli2tear SPIDERS?!

I think their issue with the indie voice is because these diva worshipers go by the book with technique. The indie voice goes against everything they know. It's like when people who rioted during Igor Stravinsky's Rite of Spring in 1913 because of their brains were not used to dissonant chords. I think the better example of Jessie J putting on an accent would be the fact that she is British and I find it funny when Indie singers get bashed while people who are not from the US or Canada sing with an American accent. On a side note I find it funny how some of the same people who called Iggy Azalea fake because Australians don't sound like that have no problem with Keith Urban.

This is why you totally deserved that shorty award. Great job Tristan!

This randomly popped into my recommended, so I'm like a year late... Seriously, this video made me so happy. It's so refreshing to hear your positivity compared to the video that was bashing "unique" voices. I wonder if said video maker can even sing, or if they were just bashing on a trend to bash on a trend. Especially considering, I can't seem to find a video of themselves singing. Thank you for the positivity!

Wow, 8:35-9:17 was such a clear explanation, that helps a lot and of course makes a lot of sense. The examples you employed afterwards were spot on too.

is it just me or does he sound like justin bieber from 9:10-9:18

@melaniecisneros6379

6 жыл бұрын

mika erin it reminded me more of Shawn Mendes

@srt10acrx

6 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing. Very JB

@AMcDub0708

6 жыл бұрын

He sounded EXACTLY like Bieber!!!

@theasiancroissant1215

6 жыл бұрын

He sounds like that becuz when he started learning how to sing, he aimed for that type of voice 🙂

@bubbassegment6744

6 жыл бұрын

And right before that, he kind of almost sounded like Brendon Urie

Honestly this is so interesting to me as a speech-language pathology student. I know vowels and the many sound productions, but it is so cool hearing it from a different perspective.

So much clarity. So much learning. Love it.

I have to say, I just discovered you and watched few of your videos, but you got me fired up from the first minutes. I used to hate hearing people sing live and my own singing voice. Thanks to you I became more appreaciative and I am willing to experiment with singing, just for the funsies. You are awesome. Thank you very much! You seem like such a chill dude to hang out with. :D Love your positivity.

Jessie Reyez actually does have a weird voice in general though 💀 it's dumb that they would put her in that video as if her voice was fake

@elizabethm4824

5 жыл бұрын

I have a hard time believing that she comes by the weird voice naturally. She’s from Brampton.

@user-dz2hj6jo5h

5 жыл бұрын

She sounds like the accent she speaks in. I’ve seen interviews of her, her singing to me sounds like her accent with extensions in vowels to fit the song.

@sanaajennings6285

5 жыл бұрын

she does have a cool voice and I think its cause of her natural accent

@teancoffee208

5 жыл бұрын

Her voice is so broken to me. I like it. It lends itself well to conveying emotion.

Then again, if all singers sang well-projected and with good volume and didn’t adjust the odd vowel here and there, the world would be a massive broadway show 💁🏼‍♀️ edit: bro i haven’t even got more than 10 likes before, u lovely humans

@itzzy1859

4 жыл бұрын

that's not true at all. the majority of iconic pop singers who can actually sing do everything you stated. from whitney to mariah to hayley to demi. while they could, most definitely, sing on broadway, that doesn't mean their voices are suited for it, and certainly doesn't mean they're meant for it because they enunciate and actually project. the singers faking their accents would fucking wreck their voices if they tried projecting and enunciating correctly. their throat muscles wouldn't be able to keep up.

REACT TO LANA DEL REY PLEASE

Yes! You gave a clear cut demonstration of how we all have accents when we sing. It’s all about vowel modifications. I love your videos Tristan! Keep it up. 👏 I would love it if you did a video reacting to Demi Lovato’s best live vocals or even Tori Kelly’s PYT riff. It would make me so happy since those are two of my favorite singers. Anyways, keep up the good work boy! You’re slaying! 😍

@Key_1111

6 жыл бұрын

NostalgicNathan He did

@bechastime666

6 жыл бұрын

Showed that video about unique voices to my vocal teacher and she said that the video is right soo...

the halsey singing compare with the indie girl vine was just a meme that got popular. this person took a joke waaaay too seriously

@pewpewpew3212

6 жыл бұрын

To be fair, the vine was making fun of people who sing like that

@AegyoKpop913

6 жыл бұрын

Ingrid Al yes, and it was accurate af

@aliupsr

6 жыл бұрын

You have obviously missed the point of him referencing the vine in discussion to Halsey's voice.

I wanna see a reaction video to Lana Del Rey !!!

You seriously make me laugh while teaching good information.

I've always had problems with people telling me to 'project my voice'and hearing you saying the things I've always thought about using microphones has made me so happy!!!

@justaannoyingvegan3655

6 жыл бұрын

Cadi Squire omg hey cadi, haha I’m in the same school as you, you may not know me it’s poppy😂

@cadisquire8592

6 жыл бұрын

FoodNMe * which year are you in?

The part about "projecting your voice" got me like "holy shit, that's SO TRUE". Loved your explanation on this part because a bad sound crew and bad microfone can screw up with any live show and any singer regardless of vocal talent.

Spot on. Thanks for the insights you explained it really well for me. Thank you.

😂😂😂😂😂😂"If you guys want to say this, this, and that - opera is the real example...LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT OPERA" I'm dead.😂😂😂😂😂😂

@cariad123

5 жыл бұрын

Bordering on petty in my favourite way. "oh you want an actual example? FUCKING OPERA BITCH LETS FUCKING GO"

Your voice is so beautiful wtf omg 😩 please sing more

@cha3265

6 жыл бұрын

He has a really awesome cover channel listed in the description, go check it out for more of his own singing ❤❤

before I knew it I was visiting this channel every day

I loved watching and listening to this....I've been singing (trying to anyways🤐) this video really explained everything so well and with details I can actually understand, thank you. I heard you said that you give lessons too, that's so awesome to be able to do that for someone. And I LOVE that your respectful towards the artists, and just everyone in general, I love it. You seem like a super special type of person, and just wanted to drop a few lines and say mahalo for all that your doing...I'm learning so much...blessings going out to you from the big island of Hawai'i 🤙🏼🙏🏼🌈🌊🌺

this video helped me on my journey to singing so much!

I think that the general idea of the video, that the "indie girl" sound isn't really unique is true though. I'm not saying anything about the vocal techniques or anything like that. That specific style is becoming oversaturated. That doesn't make it wrong, or bad. Just used a lot.

@mvanpelt9124

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Harris I agree, I just think the video he was reacting to was oversimplifying it by saying Kahlid fit into the indie girl style, and that he used the same exact technique as all the other singers in that video. but, yeah, that’s really true that that technique is really overdone.

Thank you for this! Newbies/Amateurs gets discouraged by those kind of videos. It's really just style. That's it.

I lost it at “Don’t even get me started with that country shit”😂

I love how positive you are while being insightful! It is refreshing since most people like to be negative today.

I’ve always felt kind of the same way about this “indie” voice (although I don’t like rly like grouping all these new age singers into one group because every persons voice and techniques are still so different) and I was worried that Zhavia would have that same sort of generic indie sound the first time I heard her, but I’ve realized her voice is actually incredibly unique. In my opinion, the voice that she’s presenting sounds quite natural. ANYWAYS IM JUST RAMBLING BECAUSE IVE JUST RECENTLY DISCOVERED HER and I am VERY impressed and intrigued.

This person is basically "politely" bashing people who sing like this. These singers are probably comfortable with this style and most of them sound great. Now enunciation can be an issue with some of these singers, and that can be fixed. That "mrskinnyjeansz3" has his jeans cutting off his circulation, I think lol

@DOFT.mp4

6 жыл бұрын

For some reason i read "mrskinnyjeansz3"as "mrs.KinnyJeansz3" :p, than I saw that you wrote "him".

@Gameworks1407

6 жыл бұрын

The style restricts their artistic freedom, it's like giving a painter a broken brush. This style causes bad pitch precision, awful melismata, no control over volume and causes major vocal problems. No his circulation is fine

@uminavehement510

6 жыл бұрын

LOL that last sentence, no tea no shade! xD

@anita189

6 жыл бұрын

RoDoz the

@kennyblankenship89

6 жыл бұрын

Ive Mc Fallen your wrong

Super informative, wow. Thank you for making this video!

am i the only one that gets a "grrr! young women are having fun & being successful and im UPSET about this" vibe from the original video?

@Amm2187_

5 жыл бұрын

GLITTERPRINCESS nope, not the only one. Young girls & women never get to do things for fun/that they like without constant criticism 🙄

@rachiegibb1287

5 жыл бұрын

Yes this 100%

@cariad123

5 жыл бұрын

It happens to literally everything women like right up until men decide they like it. Star Trek. The Beatles. Video Games. It's happening currently with fanfiction, despite franchise tie-ins being payed fan fiction. This is literally just 'i don't like that women don't sing like the specific men I like to listen to'. Letting you g girls and women be happy and have fun takes so much less energy!

@paulhunter2524

5 жыл бұрын

GLITTERPRINCESS fosh, and just a general elitism which definitely has gendered roots

@asha_jane

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't really get that from the video, I saw as them having this idea of the indie voice and then searching for any examples that slightly resemble it to prove their point. They used Khalid as an example as well, so I don't really think gender was a factor, it's just more common with female singers

Love that you're bringing back using Can't Help Falling in Love as your example song 🙌🏻

Your channel is growing so fast

I fucking love that they through in the Chrish vine lmao. Awesome video as usual, Tristan.