Remember the "print rooms" in offices that had printers in them and they had doors and were sound proofed? This is why. It sounded like a war zone. :)

@adambrzecki

6 жыл бұрын

You made my day :D

@grlg2

6 жыл бұрын

Could also be used as a form of torture. lol. Do you also remember the sound deadened printer hoods?

@therealdebater

6 жыл бұрын

I do. Almost as expensive as the printer itself, with its own built-in fan(s) and all manner of hairy slots (sorry, but really) for paper, cables, etc. Weighed enough to sink a ship. And some of the bigger printers _still_ caused the whole thing to march off the table. Ah, those were the days.

@pow9606

5 жыл бұрын

@@grlg2 I love that sound

@nicholasroberts6954

3 жыл бұрын

There was a moderate after-market business in audio suppression cabinets, which were lined with the type of angled/spikey plastic foam like one of those audio test rooms that the loudspeaker manufacturers use. Doing that, they could easily be used in the same office space as clerical workers . . . no problems. Thinking back, in the early '90s, I used to have a simple noise suppression cabinet for my dot-matrix printer at home.

Your observation about rewiring the hardware flow lines just helped me get an Apple ImageWriter up and running on Linux. Thanks!

@CuriousMarc

3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Glad this was helpful. Congrats on your hack!

It's beautiful. And even today, Windows 10 still support the Generic / Text only printer.

Back when I was a young kid in the mid/late 80s, my dad used to take notes and tapes to a print shop to have them transcribed. They had a couple of these always running there alongside the big laser as well - don't recall what model they were. I always thought they were the coolest thing ever. Around that time my dad also bought me my first computer used from that print shop, a Leading Edge Model M XT clone.

There also exists USBLPT bridges. I used one recently to make a small embedded linux board talk to a high speed thermal printer. They're under $20 usually and I got one that ends in the Centronics output. Astoundingly, this also works in modern windows.

@Hans-gb4mv

6 жыл бұрын

Even better. A lot of motherboards actually still have headers for serial and LPT ports on the motherboard. Just not on the I/O plate anymore.

i dont listen to music much, but the sound of this printer makes me excited. merci bien!

I owned one of these around 1985-1989 and printed up my final year college project on one of these attached to a BBC Micro Model B (running WordStar on a Torch Z80 co-processor). The "beeb" was heavily modified/expanded and lived in a Data General 4u'ish chassis intended for a pair of 8" floppies. It was powered off of the bonkers sized linear power supply intended to power the floppies and their logic. Those Juki's were bomb proof, even if they were a bit slow and noisy.

Still got my Juki which I ran off TRS-80 4p. Great printer for the time and was able to produce business quality letters. Came across this video as a consequence of digging out of the garage to test out the parallel port on the Tandy.

Wow, this brought back so many memories for me! I had a Juki 6100 (I think it was a slightly different model to yours). Happy days.

Oh jeez! We had this printer at home. It was an assault on the senses when it was on the go!

Most receipt printers use the generic/text only drivers, so most printers like this Juki can still be used. Now the graphics printers, the Epson or HP LaserJet universal drivers will do it in a pinch, but the features that each printer has may not be available.

Still installed faster than today's printers on windows^^

@aperturespaceprogram3208

4 жыл бұрын

A vouch for this.

@ishannaha5912

3 жыл бұрын

Scam 2021

I had a Juki 6100 once, but it was labeled as a "Kaypro Printer" and came with a Kaypro 2X 8-bit CP/M computer in 1984. It connected through the Centronics parallel port instead of serial. I never tried to use it with my later DOS and Windows computers. Good to know that it would work even with those.

I have an old Smith Corona daisy wheel I last connected up to my Commodore 64 a looong time ago. I'm going to try this out!

This is so cool Thanks for sharing this with the world!

It's still interesting to come back and look at the old Juki, I've just completed a modification to allow me to 'print' using a Brother electric typewriter and it's much slower than this. It would've been impressive if you had a good set of earplugs!

my mother gave me her old smith corona word processor from her college years back in 2014. that one was a daisywheel. something in it broke unfortunately so daisywheel printer no longer could print anything resembling text (fontwheel locking mechanism broke & I haven't a single clue if it can be fixed). nice to see another daisywheel!

I absolutely love the Juki printer, thank you so much for making this cool video! I remember someone mentioning that the Juki was capable of making simple grafix, any chance you could make a small demonstration for us? Even if that isn't possible, I'd love to see a picture converted to ascii with one of those online converters and printed on the Juki!

My Windows 10 runs my Tandy daisy wheel printer just fine with a generic printer driver and you have to figure out the dip switches. It works fine.

Sounds from the past. I remember the Diablo Thanks from Orlando

I'm so impressed! I wish I could do this type of stuff!

@eliotmansfield

6 жыл бұрын

It's just rs232 - really nothing very complicated. The little connector box he made is just called a crossover or null modem cable. Serial is still quite widely used for automation, monitoring and remote control. The back of many modern TV's, amplifiers and projectors will have a serial connector for remote control for the likes of home automation

Nice :) Another wonderful abuse of the Generic/Text Only printer can be to set one up to go to FILE: and use it to export data from applications that support print but no export (like, Altiris Deployment Console ...). It took a lot of fiddling with column widths prior to print, but we could export stuff as fixed width text that way. IIRC it assumes 10 CPI horizontally (so 13.2 inches = 132 columns) and I think we set the page length to Continuous so as not to deal with the hassle of repeated page headers.

Oh, wow - how sexy is this?! I was nostalgically thinking of my old Juki 6100, which I bought when the first came out, and which I used initially with my BBC B micro then my first Amstrad PC1640 (I’m in the UK). With the BBC B Micro I managed to commission a college to write me a printer driver that enabled it to do decently justified paragraphs. I also had a program which enabled me to use it as a typewriter. With the Amstrad I purchased a hard drive (on a card) which had, if I recall it correctly, the massive storage capacity of 30 megabytes - and I never ran out of space (nowadays it’s no problem to happily fill a couple of 5TB drives)! Anyway, the Juki printer served me without fault for several years before I moved onto my first laser and inket printers. I’ve still got it all stored away somewhere (but not readily available). I was simply looking, on Google, for a photo of the Juki when it suggested these videos on KZread - more than I’d hoped for or dreamt of. I just want to say how good it is to watch and hear one, bringing back the vision and sound that I loved so much and which kept me occupied for many a fine hour over several years! And, yes, it’s true - I probably don’t get out enough! I’m so excited that I’m going to put this same comment on a couple of the others out there (and this is the first time I’ve ever posted anything on KZread). Thank you for putting it online!

That's beautiful, man. I love the "Of course you can!" I wonder if the same would be true of using the printer (or even an old Apple-branded Daisy Wheel) on a modern Mac. I would say "surely not", but OS X's print subsystem is based on the Common UNIX Printing System, so perhaps support for such ancient, obscure printers was retained when Apple took over the CUPS codebase.

@jonc4403

6 жыл бұрын

And the answer is "Of course you can!" CUPS supports daisy wheel printers, always has. And since there's no point in reinventing the wheel, here's a really nice set of instructions with screenshots that somebody has done: www.wheels.org/monkeywrench/?p=909

how pretty piece of hardware

Where did you get that Juki 6100 daisy wheel printer? I had one with a proportionally spaced font print wheel in San Francisco until around 1990 when i gave it away. It may have ended up in your hands. WordPerfect 5.2 for DOS had a printer driver specifically for the Juki 6100. The driver actually supported graphics on a daisy wheel printer by hammering away at the period repeatedly while incrementing the print head and the platen in small increments of 1/72 of an inch.

@CuriousMarc

8 жыл бұрын

+RaymondHng Was sold to a fellow named James C. according to the original invoice, on 9/25/1984 for the incredible bargain price of $489 (because it was a store demo, says the bill). Too bad, that would have been more fun if it were yours! I should search for the WordPerfect copy - I have it on my vintage Mac though.

@rayfenwick8761

6 жыл бұрын

That sounds superb, and definitely worth a video if you can find it and get it to work.

Hi I got my Juki 6100 to work with a Dell Latitude laptop running XP. Used a parallel to parallel port. When you go to control panel /printers/ add printer select it as an Epson 600 printer. Geoff.

I had one of these in the 80s. They sound like a freaking machine gun going off.

It is hard to explain but when you use old tec it is more dificult but much more fun to use

That's one of the coolest things ever…!

Those types of printers will probably last forever.

Just checked, this is possible to do with Windows 10 still!

You are a sick man. I remember the IBM Daisy Wheel printer I had for my first IBM PC. Wrote many a letter on it. What I did not know is that you can adapt serial output to a parallel adapter.

Beautiful

RS232 is the communication protocol for a 9-pin serial port. Actually, this protocol only uses 3 wires: (1) +5v, (2) signal, (3) ground. Other implementations of RS232 include VISCA, which is developed by Sony for camera remote control. (From Wikipedia: It is based on RS232 Serial communications at 9600 bit/s, 8N1, no flow control typically though a DE-9 [or DB-9] connector, but can also be on 8-Pin DIN, RJ45 and RJ11 connectors use in daisy chain configurations. VISCA utilizes a serial repeater network configuration to communicate between the PC (device #0) and up to 7 peripherals (#1 through #7). The daisy chain cable configuration means that a message walks the chain until it reaches the target device identified in the data packet. Responses then walk the rest of the way down the chain and back up again to reach the system. Some packets may be broadcast to all devices.)

First time I heard and seen a daisy wheel printer. Sounds much nicer than a dot matrix, printing looks better as well. Just a bit slow, think the last dot matrix I worked with was 2-3 times faster.

@oldtwinsna8347

3 жыл бұрын

Print quality was orders of magnitude better than any dot matrix, true professional letter quality. Only limitation is they could only print characters that were present on the print wheel, so they were not particularly popular for home markets where the ability to print graphical bitmaps were owned by the dot matrix.

I want to see one of those old huge printers with the hydraulic rams that spat out paper at light speed I'm sure someone has a video but I can't think of what they're called

@RaymondHng

8 жыл бұрын

Line printers.

@leisergeist

8 жыл бұрын

RaymondHng Yep, that's the one!

@therealdebater

6 жыл бұрын

I once saw one, connected to an IBM mainframe, that printed two pages per second. Seriously. It was a 'chain' printer: it literally had something very like a bicycle chain that span around the paper at God only knows what speed. It had two shelves for paper in: so it could be swapped quickly, which was required very frequently. The paper out bin was huge. It was in a big soundproofed cabinet, but when the guy opened the door, the noise it made was visceral.

How many models of Juki daisywheels were there? I bought one (seems like mid-eighties) and loved it (noise and all). The model I had used standard IBM Selectric wheels. I could swear it was under $200. Is that possible? I don't think mine was a 6100 but not sure. Looks like the 6100 was about $600 but I sure don't remember paying that much.

And my neighbours get a bit scratchy when I print a page on the ink-jet late at night. I want one - way noisier than a dot-matrix, but the king of noise was the commercial line printer.

Anyone know how to repair one of these? I have one (commodore dps1101, basically the same as this except black) and I can't get the ribbon to advance or move up or down. The wheel, hammer, and carriage mechanisms work just fine, but the ribbon refuses to cooperate.

And I Thought that my dotmatrix was loud

@robinhodson9890

7 жыл бұрын

It's even louder when you use it to print out bitmap art, using the dot character and microspacing. I used a Juki 6500 (bigger, louder), and woke up the neighbours. It sounded a bit like automatic weapons fire.

@alextirrellRI

7 жыл бұрын

I would have loved to see it try to print bitmap.

@BBC600

5 жыл бұрын

Alex Tirrell Yeah that would be cool! 🙂

I have one of these printers in the original box!

I had a daisy wheel printer with my 1st msdos computer, and you could actually print graphics on it with this software called APLUS.

Could you try it on Windows 7?

Interesting.....didnt know windows had something like that. I knew old epsons could do that trick but i didnt know xp had a generic text only printer, plus being on a serial port you could hook an arduino and do some fancy stuff using the printer interface. Theres even some diy dot matrix printers running on arduinos so maybe all could be adapter for a fully functional diy dot matrix printer. Most of the problem would be the paper feed system with the roller and the ink ribbon

Nice 🤘

Damn is that thing loud!

I went to watch this video and KZread served me an ad for a dating app. I think it’s trying to tell me something.

So you need a dongle for the dongle for the dongle

Do you suppose this is equally adaptable under Windows 10?

@CuriousMarc

3 жыл бұрын

Someone indeed reported it worked to on Windows 10, though I have not tried it myself.

Nice ! I've got the reverse problem: how to have my ZX81 print on a Laser printer... I don't think it's possible.

@jonc4403

6 жыл бұрын

It absolutely is, but you'll need an older laser printer and an interface module. It's been a while since I've seen a laser printer that accepts text input, but it used to be common. The ZX81 parallel port modules aren't cheap on eBay, I just found one going for over $200. Old laser printers are cheap, you can probably find one for free.

@AlainHubert

6 жыл бұрын

Jon C Thanks for the reply. If I really wanted to, I could find out how the ZX81 sends data to the parallel port on the back of it, when typing the basic command LLIST or LPRINT, and build myself some type of interface to convert this to USB serial stream using a Raspberry Pi or something like that. But, is it worth it ? Probably not.

@jonc4403

6 жыл бұрын

It might be easier to do serial, I found this: www.user.dccnet.com/wrigter/index_files/serial.htm As to worth it? Can't answer that one. My favorite "old computer" laser printer is a DEClaser 1152, it does serial, parallel, LocalTalk, and DECnet. I once got it working with a Compucolor II.

way too late for this video but they do make usb to centronics adapters as well so the serial song and dance wasnt needed.. you should seek one of these cables out for other projects

What would happen if you tried to print out a 100-megapixel colour picture with a daisy wheel printer?

Have a few cartridges and a daisywheel if anyone wants - cheap.

hello i was wondering if you could sell me A converter you used to connect the printer to the usb converter?

@CuriousMarc

7 жыл бұрын

I think I bought it from Fry's Electronics. They might still have them.

@Nickword1

7 жыл бұрын

just sell me yours with your printer for 200 even xD

"A modern Windows computer": running Windows XP. Not that I don't understand why one would prefer Windows XP above newer versions, but there is surely some irony in that statement. Perhaps reflective of the nature of the channel. :)

@BBC600

6 жыл бұрын

Chuu Ni This video is from 2015 according to the upload date.

@pow9606

5 жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with XP but it was an era when software was released on CD and was intended to be fully complete and tested before release. Unlike today where it is released on a store unfinished and updated every few weeks. XP and various software will still function fine where there is no requirement for internet access. Some software and hardware was very expensive back then. Also the print quality of some of the daisy wheel printers is excellent, far better text quality than inkjet in my opinion. Not versatile tho.

На ней нужно печать исключительно ночью." Очень!Очень! Тихая машинка"

Can I use normal paper?

@CuriousMarc

Жыл бұрын

Yes it’s regular paper

I bet you this'll even still work on Windows 7.

Sounds like a band printer, but prints at 1/10th the speed...

Don't bother with serial interface matey, too slow, get a Centronics (Parallel) cable.

It’s so loud!

omg that sound is so obnoxious! :0

@nicolek4076

4 жыл бұрын

The would normally be covered in a noise-reducing box.

Do the young ones know what a typewriter is ? Can you still get carbon paper to print government forms in triplet ? Thank you for a great video ! My printer does not work anymore. tjl

@UltimatePerfection

8 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you still can get carbon paper, at least where I live (poland). And yeah, I know what typewriter is (I'm in my 20s) and actually want one but all I could find are electrical typewriters and I want purely mechanical one.

@RaymondHng

8 жыл бұрын

One of those 20-somethings who work for a tech company asked me, "What's a minicomputer? Is that something like PC?"

@Shipwright1918

7 жыл бұрын

Yep, us young sprouts know what typewriters are, and a good many are crazy to get their hands on one, hence why the lovable old word-mills are experiencing a bit of a renaissance these days. Carbon paper is still readily available on Ebay and Amazon, so cranking out copies "ye auld fashioned way" is still doable if you so desire. Personally have two typewriters, both manual, and I love 'em.

@Shipwright1918

7 жыл бұрын

A PC by definition IS a minicomputer, isn't it? It's anything smaller than a mainframe, which in the days before I was ever thought of, used to fill entire rooms, and there's a further subdivision between a mainframe and a supercomputer.

@RaymondHng

7 жыл бұрын

Shipwright1918 The correct grammar is "Yep, *we* young sprouts know what typewriters." Also, it's _olde_, not _auld_. The first word is English. The second word is Scottish.