It's like people thinking 1990s fashion was the same as 1950s

@guccideltaco

5 жыл бұрын

The 90s was more trying to recreate the 1960s and 70s rather than the '50s.

@maxmustermann1455

4 жыл бұрын

@@guccideltaco It was closer the 70s fashion than 50s fashion yes. I would say about 20 years closer :-P I wouldn't say it was trying to recreate those styles, rather it still had remnants of it. Also... r/whoosh ... The fact that 90ies and 50ies are super dissimilar was kinda the point....

@luma2172

4 жыл бұрын

It was the 80s who were trying to recreate the 50s

@TheGabygael

4 жыл бұрын

And yet it would all technically count as Elisabethan style

@AFrogInTheStars

4 жыл бұрын

Along the Lane wow that makes it sound much proper

Style: anything Media: *V I C T O R I A N*

@oof-rr5nf

5 жыл бұрын

ahahaahaha

@natalijatheghost

4 жыл бұрын

* long skirt exists * Fashion stores: *V I C T O R I A N*

@jesseleeward2359

4 жыл бұрын

True. They all act victorian. Even shakespearian plays.

@jesseleeward2359

4 жыл бұрын

I went into an art gallery and and asked for Victorian painting exhibition and rmthe lady showed me Baroque paintings..... I had to tell her this was 1700s paintings and Victorian was on the other floor. She was annoyed and indifferent.

@aimsical285

4 жыл бұрын

And they're mostly not wrong! Haha

Historic costumer: “omg, love your corset! What era is it?” Person: “Victorian~!” Historic costumer: “do you know how little that narrows it down.”

@carissaap7003

3 жыл бұрын

Me : you uncultured shit

@catherinel.rosewood2095

Жыл бұрын

Mine is from around 1850-1865 if I recall correctly :D

Crinolines would be PERFECT for 2020. Social distancing by dress.

@ColumineMiette

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, please.

@--Lissy

3 жыл бұрын

Ong yes

@lilly6357

3 жыл бұрын

Can we just...make that a thing? If we all start to wear them eventually it will be fashion...

@--Lissy

3 жыл бұрын

@@lilly6357 YES!

@meat_doughnuts3457

3 жыл бұрын

I can just i m a g i n e that

I barely have enough socks for a week while the Victorian's over have an outfit for every hour

@willowhicks6824

4 жыл бұрын

Oof mood

@tiredtypes1260

4 жыл бұрын

masakasama So sort of like today’s time? PJ’s, daily clothing, and then maybe something nice to go out to dinner in?

@daemonskycloak6818

4 жыл бұрын

It makes sense though that way they could wear individual outfits longer without having to wash them.

@wioi

4 жыл бұрын

@masakasama_uuum. Thanks.. but I am 100 % sure that he did understand that as like the rest of us. It was obviously a _*_JOKE_*_ but there always has to be someone to ruin it._

@wioi

4 жыл бұрын

@@tiredtypes1260 _exactly!.A lot of ppl tend to forget about that_

I'm a little disappointed in Vogue, honestly. Considering it was founded during the late Victorian era you would think they would have a slightly better grasp on fashion history!

@yeeaahhzz

5 жыл бұрын

No ones got time to roll through the archives there? Like youd think thatd make your job easier

@AshHeaven

4 жыл бұрын

I feel that it is not the entire magazine’s fault, but rather that a lot of writers (and unfortunately even fashion and costume designers) nowadays do not do proper research on their topic before putting misinformation out there.

@frummel403

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, Vogue is supposed to be the godfather of fashion information, come on man do your job!

@sydney5225

4 жыл бұрын

thetoneofsurprise maybe that is why they think this way! The Victorian influences from their archives probably ARE Edwardian

@hyacinthlover9370

4 жыл бұрын

Also considering it’s one of the most influential names in fashion you’d assume they’d know what they’re talking about

I'm going to personally fight everyone who called your role play annoying. We want MORE acting, and we want it to be TERRIBLE!!

@Biyou22

4 жыл бұрын

here here

@angelosumugat6653

4 жыл бұрын

SIGN ME UPP

@theempress1104

4 жыл бұрын

Me too!!! I love role plays. And you're really nice to watch Meme Mom, you're really witty. 😊

@Denise23761

4 жыл бұрын

AMEN

@clarelg

4 жыл бұрын

THIS

people: paris hilton was the first influencer queen victoria: am i a joke to you?

@lauramuse910

4 жыл бұрын

isabel garcia Marie Antoinette: girl PLEASE Madam Pompadour: you all are just so cute

@rebeccaartemisia96

4 жыл бұрын

What about Anne Boleyn and her iconic french hood? Or Agnes Sorel? 😁

@lauramuse910

4 жыл бұрын

I'm a Little Lady Eleanor of Aquitaine just looks at the whole group wryly across the room, shakes her head, and adjusts her chin strap.

@lilysnape6520

4 жыл бұрын

@@lauramuse910 Kleopatra : Ohh girls - You are so modern

@TheBc99

3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccaartemisia96 French hood was introduced by Anne of Brittany. The ORIGINAL modern fashionista, please and thank you.

The 80s always have fluffy awkward bangs. whether it is the 1880s or the 1980s.

@rosalielamont7890

5 жыл бұрын

It's the rule of life the 80's have puffy hair

@kohakuaiko

5 жыл бұрын

May i live long enough to see the 2080s

5 жыл бұрын

1780s had puffy curly hair and 1680s had awkward curly bangs too, what the hellll

@abigailhelle-krull3610

5 жыл бұрын

It takes a hundred years for the trauma to fade.

@sleepysartorialist

5 жыл бұрын

Makes me wish I could live to the 2080s to see if it’s still true. SCIENCE HELP ME!

**Hair sticks out** "What's going on ?" **Sun shines** "What's going on ?" **Burps** "What's going on ?" Karolina baffled by life's simplest things. :)

@laura.st.

4 жыл бұрын

It's Poland - how often do you think the sun shines? XD

@nyangata7278

3 жыл бұрын

@@laura.st. From what I can tell, more than Portland!

@ElveeKaye

3 жыл бұрын

Relatable.

It's funny how some people think that the Victorian era fashion was the same throughout the years, merely because it was "in the past". Some period dramas certainly don't help. I suppose that, 150 years from now, there will be dedicated fashion historians frustratingly yelling "Guys, I don't think you realize how DIFFERENT 1940s and 1980s fashion were, even if Britain had the same Queen!" ETA: Sorry for the mistake. I thought Elizabeth became Queen in 1949 (why that year? I don't know, it just stuck in my mind for no reason). Anyway, I still think that a movie about a young Queen Elizabeth II dressed like a 1980s teen is very likely to happen some 200 years from now and I'm kinda sad I won't be here to see it.

@g5rearea

4 жыл бұрын

Iunno, you managed to pick two decades where big shoulders were a thing.

@kittycoutourxxx2706

4 жыл бұрын

Some people nowadays don’t even know the difference

@mystii8134

4 жыл бұрын

Niniane17. Yeah it’s like in a hundred years they’ll be like 1950s and 2010s are the same because it was under the same queen.

@sscknwtch

4 жыл бұрын

B...but Britain didn’t have a queen in 40s

@janetwebster5099

4 жыл бұрын

@@mystii8134 Queen Elizabeth was not Queen until February of 1952. untill that time she was known as Princess Elizabeth. She has now had the longest reign of any British ruler - 68 years! (1952 - 2020 and still with us - God save the Queen) Her father; George VI was the King during the 1940s (1937 - 1952) . Interestingly enough Queen Elizabeth I (45 years , from 1558 - 1603) and Queen Victoria (64 years , from 1837 - 1901) also have had exceptionally long reigns. Women just make more stable rulers!

I kind of wish people still got dressed differently for evening events. Not just club wear. But in general.

@maironaulendil972

3 жыл бұрын

Ew the effort. You can do it if you want, it's fun, there are theme festivals for that, but having such strict social pressure would be awful

@solarebear5459

3 жыл бұрын

Where i live its cold at night so we kind do haha

@NorthernGreenEyes

2 жыл бұрын

Especially the beautiful but simple gowns and handsome suits the men wore in the 20's-30's?

@MK-hh1vo

2 жыл бұрын

As mentioned, that was something rich people did. Personally I don't have the funds to change clothes for every meal everyday and I'd hate it if that were the norm. Dress up should be strictly for special occasions imo.

@StallionFernando

2 жыл бұрын

@@maironaulendil972 you sound like a lazy slob who walks around the same crusty pants you woke up in. Nothing wrong with integrity

As a person who don't have english as a first language, everytime you say like "18th century" my brain goes into complete math mode to understand what time we're talking about , like "ok 21th century is 2000's so 18th century is..... ah 1700!" EVERYTIME

@lynn3376

5 жыл бұрын

English is my first language and I think we all have to think about it too 😂

@rinnyrindawg

3 жыл бұрын

lynn I came here to say this, but I knew in my heart it was already said

@edlothia9943

3 жыл бұрын

@GiRayne In Sweden we don't count centuries like that we just say 1800-talet ( basically 1800's) about the 19th century and so on so it confuses me lol

@lainiewalker3171

3 жыл бұрын

As a person whose first language is English (and who scored perfect marks on her last English exam in university) I also must do all the mental math to remember when on earth we are talking about.

@c.w.8200

3 жыл бұрын

In German it's the same! I had to get used to this during high school...still confuses me sometimes

I think that steampunk brought a lot of confusion in the idea of Victorian fashion, because it's inspired from it but beeing fantasy it doesn't follow it precisely. And beeing very popular it's the first thing that people think when you say Victorian

@TheQueerTailor

5 жыл бұрын

Which is funny because most steampunks know what actual Victorian fashion was like because that’s what you start with before you change it to punk it

@bunnyincloudrecesses9590

5 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention Steampunk too. A lot of Steampunk is corsets over clothes. 😅

@k1a96

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheQueerTailor you can know what it is but change it up to make it more interesting loosing historical accuracy, and most people who have no idea what Victorian fashion is will think it's accurate

@veronicasuestarlite4080

5 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree. Any person that studies fashion would know that a term containing "punk" is not historical.

@k1a96

5 жыл бұрын

@@veronicasuestarlite4080 I'm referring to common people, that mostly see only steam punk or really modernized version of Victorian fashion

10:56 Karolina: "In conclusion" me: girl, you're not even halfway through the video 😂

You: This video is pointless. Victorian fashion can’t be summarized in an organized manner or defined. Also you: *summarizes Victorian fashion completely and corrects misconceptions exactly as needed*

I think the dark modern version of Victorian comes from the romantised vampire imagery reinterpréted by Goth and steampunk styles... It sort of picked and chose from various influences

@SCompton4

5 жыл бұрын

I always found it to be inspired by the gothic trends/literature during the era - such as can be seen in the dark tones that stories such as works by Poe or Dickens, the Bruntës’ Wuthering Hights and Jane Eyre, etc. Many popular stories that have stood the test of time and been made into movies or the like from that era tend to have gothic/dark vibes it seems. There was also the dark/bleak side of industry that film/stories often focus on/highlight as well. However, that’s not to say I think you’re wrong. It could be all these things and more. People draw inspiration from many places.

@thefrenchmode

5 жыл бұрын

@@SCompton4 I absolutely agree with you, which is probably why these darker influences are what stood to this day

@janebeckman3431

5 жыл бұрын

I think it owes more to the neo-Edwardian movement of the late 1960s-early '70s, which evolved into Gunny Sax and the like. I rather like the Teddy Boys, too. Not historical, but a nice look for men's fashion.

@user-mv9tt4st9k

5 жыл бұрын

I always saw steampunk as kind of "Alice in Wonderland," where the fashion is inspired by woodcuts from childrens' books.

@JNoMooreNumbers

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-mv9tt4st9k I dressed steampunk for Halloween and they announced 3rd place as Alice in Wonderland. I looked around and didn't see anything like that. It was me. Lol

black wasn't just for mourning either, like you said working or lower class people wore dark colors because it's what they could afford and were easier to clean.

@MikaelaCher

4 жыл бұрын

Like Jane Eyre! She is described as wearing black most of the time

@charlottesmith4850

3 жыл бұрын

Have you ever seen Mrs. Hudson, Sherlock Holmes landlady, in any thing but black?

@amberbaker4842

3 жыл бұрын

And even half mourning was grey and lavender

@ih82r8

3 жыл бұрын

IIRC, during Mary QofS's day black was a wedding color and white was used for mourning.

@___LC___

3 жыл бұрын

Coal smut is a bitch to get out of textiles....I know firsthand, as I just took my chimney out and did not even think about coal smut. It is so sticky and grimy.

The dark colours that we associate with Victorian fashions is an important issue that I’m glad you raised. Our perception is altered by the fact that we generally only ever see black and white photography. It’s perpetuated by tv and film to some extent because the more muted tones are far more atmospheric and fit the themes of (modern) film very well. The mode of photography (photos took a very long time to take) results in the mega serious expressions of the sitters which -combined with the fascination of the second half of the era with gothic horror, ‘Victorian fears’ and mourning- impress the view of a mega serious and starched society on us today.

@MikaelaCher

4 жыл бұрын

Also people died a lot, so they wore mourning outfits a lot. And bevause of Romanticism we tend to think everybody was gloomy and dark

@PhilMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Black and white photography also obscures the fact that synthetic dyes were only invented around the 1870s, and must have made a heck of a difference. Imagine fashion when strong colours were simply impossible. (Except for green, which was simply literally poisonous.)

"It was considered immodest, it was considered shallow." There's a very early scene in Gone with the Wind that suddenly makes even more sense having that piece of information.

karolina zebrowska getting triggered that noone gets victorian fashion for 22 minutes

@ViolentMuffin

5 жыл бұрын

xD

@rafaeladefaria8803

5 жыл бұрын

Relatable

@b0ltun0

5 жыл бұрын

good shit

@caitlinshreiber3607

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly same though

@MissLizzanna

5 жыл бұрын

Mood

Person- Oh I love Victorian fashion especially the - Karolina- ItS eDWaRdiAN

@michaelslaughter1264

4 жыл бұрын

But same though

@rachelwaln4728

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelslaughter1264 iT eWarDIaN

@TheGremlinOfChaos

4 жыл бұрын

Bridget Jenkins well some historians don’t consider the edwardian era a thing but rather another part to the victorian era

@TheGremlinOfChaos

4 жыл бұрын

Sabrina Owens yeh ik

Time traveler from the 1890's: *sees girl with short hair* Get well soon my dear!

@misslady2639

2 жыл бұрын

19th century time traveller comes in the 1920's, sees all girls with short hair: Oh no, they are all sick! HEEELLPPP!!!!

I was going to say - the Victorian obssession with death started with Queen Victoria mourning Prince Albert the rest of her life. The Victorians may seem morbid in this to us today, but it just became part of their culture, also due to a lot of people dying. Like you said, lots of people died in many eras. The Victorians honoured their deceased loved ones in various ways. I also think that a lot of people have such a bleak view of the Victorian era because of writers like Dickens & others who wrote a lot about the social ills of the day. But there were also Victorians who wrote joyfully & in celebration of life. Not all was bleak in the Victorian era. Thanks for this video. ☺ Sorry for my rambling comment - it's very early in the morning & I'm sleepy. I did enjoy this, though. 😊

@unacceptablesisterpeter3431

3 жыл бұрын

A lot of people died in an era😂 EVERYONE dies in every era. Why are people so shocked by death now is the question we should be asking.

@faraway-2009

3 жыл бұрын

@@unacceptablesisterpeter3431 They mean life expectancy was shorter, infant mortality rates were higher, diseases were more prevalent, etc.

@unacceptablesisterpeter3431

3 жыл бұрын

@@faraway-2009 yes I am aware of that and we are obsessed with avoiding up to and including our own downfall as seen in real time right now. The zombie class screeching: people could die!

As a goth, I can say we are not usually guilty of an obnoxious lack of knowledge of Victorian fashion. But a lot of the 'gothic' fashion companies are.

@JeyM10M

5 жыл бұрын

This!

@JNoMooreNumbers

5 жыл бұрын

I see more modernized Victorian on Amazon or Ebay and try to piece things together to get a similar look than say Killstar. It's fast fashion. My steampunk takes hours to get ready. Pretty complicated.

@AshHeaven

4 жыл бұрын

True, unfortunately 😔

@user-pm1gb2eo1s

3 жыл бұрын

But are you guilty of an obnoxious lack of knowledge of Gothic architecture and early Germanic Gothic tribes?

@styxthistle497

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pm1gb2eo1s Jokes on you I'm actually not

your earrings match your lipstick perfectly what is this sorcery?!

@BernardoPatino

5 жыл бұрын

wickedly good

@AzazelUmbra

5 жыл бұрын

im sorry but this is a different shade

@dannyboii9117

5 жыл бұрын

@@AzazelUmbra Yeah but looks good tho o: :D.

@oniria4276

5 жыл бұрын

STYLE

@kaymo225

5 жыл бұрын

Take the earrings to sephora and swatch

when corsets became a thing women actually loved them because they finally had support, and the big ole hoop skirts/crinolines were women's favorites too because they were fun and way more functional than people today think, and guys hated these things.

@vanira-01

Жыл бұрын

How were hoop skirts and crinolines functional?

@lilacfantasy4

Жыл бұрын

@@vanira-01 Men couldn't get their hands on ladies as easily, as in the could not touch them inappropriately as easily. They allowed women to have a lot of personal space, and the crinoline took a lot of the petticoat weight off of women's legs. To get the fashionable silhouette before the crinoline, it was normal to wear around 7 petticoats. This got heavy, as in women were wearing around 50 pounds of clothing. So the crinoline came as a breath of relief to those women, who now could look fashionable without doing a ton of heavy lifting. It also made it more affordable for lower class ladies to dress fashionably because they didnt need a thousand petticoats. They could just wear their crinoline and one or two petticoats and call it a day.

@kittykittybangbang000

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact for a time it was actually in vogue for men to wear corsets.

"What is thing on my head, it is not under my control" is part every curly haired girls daily routine.

I had this conversation with a friend, she said she liked Victorian fashion. So I went like OMG %@#¿*%# MEE TOO Her *shows steampunk* Me "oh I thought you meant historical Victorian clothing not steampunk" Her "steampunk is historically accurate" I cried from the inside :')

@TracyD2

5 жыл бұрын

Kristina Wilkens Send her this video 😂

@Queenofobscurepairings

5 жыл бұрын

I though real SP was inspired off of Edwardian? Not Victorian. Then turned into a Hybrid with the two? Then they twisted in the high( Jules Vern) fantasy aspect into it?

@lulumccoolio3111

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah steampunk's weird. I always saw it as victorian edwardian transition era + the late 1800s early 1900s thoughts on futuristic settings + it kinda looks like pirates? + where did all these belts come from

@guitarsauce5978

5 жыл бұрын

Though I don't wear it myself, I've followed the trend for a long time. It started with Victorian era (specifically the 1885-1900 range) as it was influenced by H.G Wells and Jules Verne's books and worlds. There have been more Edwardian influences over time, but started out with Victorian era + technological period altered time pieces that focus on steam or string powered mechanisms, using pulley and gear systems, steam pipes and pressure gauges, ect. That said, the genre has actually exploded quite a bit and includes everything leading up to WW2, Western cowboy, and even Asian (silkunk) influences as well. Ultimately the idea embraces the technologies of the old with ideas of technologies of the future while maintaining a blend of fashion from the era you're pulling it from. I've read now that they classify the overall genre fashion as Neo-Victorian, which is the blended fashion of both late Victorian and Edwardian periods.

@UndeadCrabstick

5 жыл бұрын

@@lulumccoolio3111 steampunk isn't set in a transitional period or anything. Most times it's made up by ignorant people who went like - this is cool, and just slap it on whatever design they cooked up. Steam punk is the bane of fassion and fiction I thell you. I have people looking at my stories and be like - durrr I like steampunk. Me: bitch where? It's Victorian inspired. It has horses clip fucking clopping over not so clean streets not steam jetpacks. :v

Ignorant person: oh yeah I LOVE VICTORIAN STUFF yeah,I just LOVE Marie Antoinette！ Meme mom:you Are GROUNDED!!!!!

@CallieRoseMartinsyde

5 жыл бұрын

Augh, it drives me crazy when people think of Marie Antoinette as Victorian. I've even heard people describe Renaissance Faire performers as Victorian. I wanted to tear my hair out! Not every 100+-year-old fashion trend is Victorian!!

@oof-rr5nf

5 жыл бұрын

@@CallieRoseMartinsyde love the passion, girl

@amatsukiko

5 жыл бұрын

>Victorian >Marie Antoinette _Crawling in my crawl_

@al_exists

5 жыл бұрын

How are they equal???

@varianbond

5 жыл бұрын

Callie Rose Martinsyde I... how? How do you get ‘Victorian’ from RenFest???

I would be really interested to hear your thoughts on Lolita fashion. Mostly just like: What parts can you identify as being inspired by Edwardian/Victorian/Rococo trends? What are some of the less obvious modification? (Obvious ones being: skirt length, patterns, and material) And maybe, do you like it at all, like does it make you curious? I don't know if anyone has asked you these things but it seems like they would have??? Idk mostly cuz there's a huge difference between real vintage fashion and Lolita fashion but both are still completely valid, and don't necessarily have anything directly to do with each other.

@pienkunicorn

4 жыл бұрын

Well the skirt lenght is probably for practicality and to reinforce the child-like/ doll-like aspects of the aesthetic? Little girls did where their skirts shorter. There were one or two young kids in the examples meme mom showed us.There are classic Lolita dresses that are full length. But they are the minority. But yes. I'd watch the crap out of that video.

@user-pm1gb2eo1s

3 жыл бұрын

This is wrong

@andreaelizeth

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-pm1gb2eo1s what is???

@mirjam3553

3 жыл бұрын

@@pienkunicorn What I actually think the skirts are short for: puberty. So, basically, you have a 10-11-something yo girl, with her sunday best made to look "adult". Just miniature and looks sort of cute on a very childlike body. Then puberty hits and in 6 months the skirt still fits in the waist, but is suddenly !!!so short!!! (And since this is something that tends to happen just because of that growth spurt, society has somehow decided that this looks... well, loli :P)

@meowneowz

3 жыл бұрын

I am so late but I never expected to find a hetalian in the comment section of a Karolina video

Fun fact: Edwardian was actually in 1902 to 1910, some people actually said it branched out to the 1st world war, and sometimes the 2nd world war. After that there was no more ages named after kings or queens. Also the last time the French guillotine was used 1977. That is not very long ago! Luckily it isn’t used anymore.

@uglukthemedicineman5933

Жыл бұрын

sad, it is much more humane than lethal injection or in some cases, life.

@chevaliermacabre2150

Жыл бұрын

@@uglukthemedicineman5933 True, however the events leading up to the execution (by guillotine) are perhaps more distressing and traumatic. If lethal injections were administered correctly, they would be far more preferable.

@uglukthemedicineman5933

Жыл бұрын

@@chevaliermacabre2150 Only the weak cry about trauma. Their hopes have no place in this world.

Please do a video on hats, hair and haircoverings. Era of your choice.

@goosegirl941

5 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@M-CH_

5 жыл бұрын

And wigs past the 18th century.

@nathaliej3768

5 жыл бұрын

Sarah Grant yUS

@yeeaahhzz

5 жыл бұрын

30s had dope hats forrreal

@StellaWaldvogel

4 жыл бұрын

YES. 1930's hats! That TILT.

The reasons for cutting hair during or after an an illness were two fold. First because most women had hair down to at least the middle of their back, often longer, cutting it was seen as a way to cool off the body during a fever. Second, after a febrile illness, or any illness that causes a lot of weight loss, women were likely to lose a portion of their hair, sometimes up to half. As someone with a chronic illness this has actually happened to me twice. Cutting the hair short was seen as a way to get it to grow healthy again, since the reasons behind hair loss after an illness weren’t fully understood. It is also extremely hard to keep long hair clean while a patient is in bed, so it may have sometimes been done because the hair was too dirty or there were a lot of lice or other bugs common in poor homes

@walruslatte6080

5 жыл бұрын

in L.M. Montgomery's "Emily" series, her aunts want to cut her hair when she is just suspected of being sick because they think it "took from her strength." This is of course totally wrong from a scientific perspective but it's something people believed.

@gelindas5196

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for that piece of Info! Do you by any chance have any sources with you? I am a history student, very interested in textile history and how looks and beauty were received, influenced..... Thank you so much in advance!

@helenwalter6830

5 жыл бұрын

also sometimes poor women would sell their hair to be made into wigs

@benlucas3625

5 жыл бұрын

If they lost some of their hair because of sickness and their hair was long it would never fill in to match the length and would look thin and scraggly. They probably cut it short to grow in thicker at the same length.

@charlieh1427

5 жыл бұрын

Leah Sauter it must’ve got really knotty/matted if someone was bedbound also

Me, having never thought about victorian fashion in my life: "Wow she's right! It is completely different from what I thought!!"

"Let me clarify this." THANK YOU for the Ghost and Mr. Chicken reference! I love that movie.

Me: shows 1790s fashion Friend: "OHH I LOVE VICTORIAN FASHION!" Me: slap

@lainiewalker3171

3 жыл бұрын

JUST HOW. How conflate that Greek influenced more form hugging gown with those remarkably big befrilled and crinolined dresses!?

WHO THE HELL DOESNT LIKE YOU ROLEPLAYING THATS MY FAVORITE! Remember that every negative comment has fifteen people who liked it enough to not need to comment on it.

@elizabetha3936

5 жыл бұрын

This needs more likes

@agadorisabel

5 жыл бұрын

M V Yes! I literally just scrolled down to find a comment saying this do that I could like it. The creativity in the way she does the videos is so great.

@mariav3979

5 жыл бұрын

Agador RIGHT and it’s entertaining and she just does whatever she wants and it’s great I love her so much

@CateTheSlightlyGreat

5 жыл бұрын

Same!

@lilywaterflower3502

5 жыл бұрын

It was so perfect.

I always understood Victorian era as during Victoria's reign. Edwardian was during Edwards reign. In England only. France and much of Europe went in different directions. Especially Russia and France.

"Victorian Fashion" Me: Is when everyone dressed like the Queen. "Is not what you think." Me: Shocked Pikachu Face

@dracomalfoy5913

3 жыл бұрын

It made my day 🤣🤣

I just realised that 1880 bangs look kinda similar to 1980 perm bangs.... Also 1850s and 1950s both have poofy dresses and my head is about to explode.

@sheeps_

5 жыл бұрын

Same! 1940-1950 hair is my fave also my fave fashion era but so is 1850??? How are they so similar it’s like a loop

5 жыл бұрын

+ 1830s and 1930s puffy sleeves and accesorries craziness!

@martamork5858

5 жыл бұрын

The 1860s had poofy dresses/crinolines as well. Which is interesting, because in the early 1960s, women also still wore circle skirts that resembled 50s style, just a little shorter. So you're quite right. It's really interesting. 😀

@jasmine-ruff-puff9951

5 жыл бұрын

Well, looks like 2020 is the time for everyone to wear 1920's fashion.

@PabloEmanuel96

5 жыл бұрын

@@jasmine-ruff-puff9951 not really I realized that trends repeated themselves each 90/100 years But since the 1900 they repeat each 40 years So the 40s shoulders for example came back in the 80s and it should come back on the 2020

I work in a museum and we dress in period costume for giving tours. We're set in mid-1850s in Canada, and we dress as servants, so I hardly ever see our dresses and costumes represented in "Victorian Era" discussion. Clearly, servants in this location/time/class were not dressing like wealthy ladies in England, but it's weird seeing how our costumes are so different from what most people perceive as Victorian. (Also, my dresses are bright pink, brick red, and a red/pink floral, so not super dark at all lol)

@yeeaahhzz

5 жыл бұрын

where is this museum? Id love to check it out

@annaheinzesight

5 жыл бұрын

What an awesome job! I've always dreamed of doing a job like that! Get paid to play dress up.😊

@marshaloneagle4646

5 жыл бұрын

Yes yes, where n are their pix? I would love info on lower class costume.

@sydneydarice

4 жыл бұрын

I want to know more! This is so cool!

I think we simplify the Victorian Era way too much!! You have done a fabulous job of addressing the mini-eras within 1837-1901. I would be interested in a video on the evolution of dyes and prints and how it changed color choices for women's fashion.

I always imagine what people in 100 years from now are going to say about our fashion. Let's be real, It's trash.

@notthedoctor8621

5 жыл бұрын

They had trash back then too, only the nice designs survive the test of time

@nyangata7278

3 жыл бұрын

I just wear jeans and a hoodie everyday...

@Bubukat7777

3 жыл бұрын

@@nyangata7278 are you me?

@nyangata7278

3 жыл бұрын

@@Bubukat7777 Perhaps.

@lunalluna9401

3 жыл бұрын

@My name is Dannye that's why I walk around naked

As far as the exposed corset concept, I always thought it was from the idea that wild west saloon girls would strip down a bit to entice customers. I don't know if it was actually a thing, but cowboy movies reinforced the idea for decades, and it's still a staple in anything set during the American wild west.

@PhilMasters

3 жыл бұрын

Wild West saloon girls and Parisian-style music hall dancers, I’d guess. (Which categories could overlap.)

Victorian fast fashion . Gurl she's still wearing a crinoline, we're in 1880 gurl, hello ! Crinoline are out !

@idk-oe7tk

5 жыл бұрын

Eloïse Carles And weird puffy bangs r in!!!

@morikhya7540

5 жыл бұрын

crinoline who? i only know bustles!

@idk-oe7tk

5 жыл бұрын

Mori Well said sis! What a shame to society for one to display such outdated fashions!

5 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah ! If you ain’t wearin’ the latest fashion, you ain’t invited to my tea party

@idk-oe7tk

5 жыл бұрын

Eloïse Carles * Sips Tea * Very well agreed!

I'm a fan of Japanese Lolita (not THAT lolita) fashion, a style that picks and chooses different eras to take influence from (Victorian to Edwardian to even the Baroque). In high school, I researched the specific eras that take root in Lolita, and the Victorian era had so many changes within those 60 years. It led to me doing more research in the fashion of the era while I was trying to do a paper on a modern fashion trend (I loved it regardless)

I think people confuse Victorian era with SteamPunk 🤣

You can tell how much Japanese Lolita fashion is influences by 1850 and it’s French influences that’s so cool as someone who loves looking into fashion sub cultures.

@Queenofobscurepairings

5 жыл бұрын

Avalon sheeps ya. I know calling Lolita, doesn’t make it a new thing and it irks me how they so highly sexualize it.

@lovelydaze413

5 жыл бұрын

@@Queenofobscurepairings lolita fashion doesn't have any relation to the Lolita novel thought it's a common misconception. The lolita novel is hyper sexual and deals with a minor, while lolita fashion is a Japanese modest fashion that is known for the shape of the petticoat and is influenced by Victorian and Rococo fashion.

@sheeps_

5 жыл бұрын

Kitty Noir yes. Sometimes languages just steal words from other languages without knowing the meaning behind the word. Lolita has nothing to do with being sexy or child like or the book in any way. The person who named it (which can’t be traced as far as I know) probably heard the word and thought it sounded pretty and Victorian. It’s like how in English countries we have shirts with weird Chinese characters that say “chicken soup dreams boats” and in Asia you’ll find shirts that say “f*ck p*ss love” in a kids size. Language barriers are a thing and do cause this kind of trouble like people thinking Lolita has anything to do with anything other then Victorian era. It’s kind of sad it gets such a bad rap for its names but until a few years ago it was “taboo” for people who dressed in Lolita to even snow a little thigh in their dresses or knee! Its not a very “sexy” fashion. Like Gyaru is.

@oof-rr5nf

5 жыл бұрын

@@sheeps_ I find all kinds of Japanese fashion to be really interesting. Especially street fashion. People really do go all out there. I love how rich their culture is, and I can somewhat relate as an Indian :P

@SobrietyandSolace

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, as a lolita I found it interesting to pin down what era bits and pieces we wear were from.

In regards to the somber Victorian photos- photography was expensive. And it was a thing for people to want to have photos memorialising their dead loved ones, and so coffin photography was a thing- and while the photographer is there, might as well get some other family portraits done at the same time. Hence the mourning gowns in a lot of photographs.

@shigellashigella

4 жыл бұрын

Queen Victoria was mourning her dear Albert for 40 years, and her pictures in black dress probably affected imagination. Part of the thing could be photography, black and white, which made all the darker color looking black. Also - we have to remember that "Victorian" applies to Great Britain. Women from not-existing Poland maybe wore similar fashion, but after 1863 (another failed upraising, nothing to see here, move along) almost everybody dressed black, with iron patriotic jewellery. My great great-grandmother wore mourning until her death, because all her brothers died in uprising

@MossyMozart

4 жыл бұрын

@Katie_pol - Early on in photography (and even earlier in painted portraiture), for middle class persons, the only time that anyone had their image recorded was after they died. (Portraitists had pre-made paintings, ready to go, with a body and background completed, but the head left blank for when a memento-mori portrait was quickly needed, some for men, some for women, some for children.)

I'd love to see an episode about lower class outfits! I know it's harder to track but represents so much bigger group

I love this video so so much! I would love to see you do a fashion video for each of these decades (maybe sometimes with a model, although I realize it would be nearly impossible to get authentic dresses from these eras); there is so much here to unpack, and I am here for it! This must be the 3rd time I've watched this

The hairdos from that article looked like hideously messy Gibson Girl styles. Give them that name, wear them with pride - just know what they are!

To everybody saying they don't need sleep because our dear Meme Mom has uploaded- I'm pretty sure she would want you all to be well rested for the upcoming day. Meme Mom will still be here when you wake up! Ps. I love you, dear Meme Mom. Never change for everybody but yourself.

@qs-ii1872

5 жыл бұрын

Emmy McCune you say that like she’s some sorta deity. XD

@boskee

4 жыл бұрын

@@qs-ii1872 She is tho.

The bustle eras are my favorite part of the Victorian era. I'm glad that someone else is able to know the difference between the Victorian era and the Edwardian era. I love yours vids 😍👍

@kittykittybangbang000

Жыл бұрын

Me too although I must admit I am partial to a good old fashioned crinoline from the 1830s

This is brilliant! Thank you so much for your incredible drawings and this slice of fashion history.

when meme mom updates at 12:02am, but your still on your phone, and you click...

@despina7278

5 жыл бұрын

More like "when meme mom uploads at 09:02 am and you are already on your phone, and you click"

@maaamyyy9412

5 жыл бұрын

Yup, she is in Poland now so hehehe

@juanmaruli4977

5 жыл бұрын

When meme mom updates at 3:02 pm

@Daizedd

5 жыл бұрын

Dont you mean... You're???? Not your????

I would watch +10 hours of Karolina creating sims and when she is done she just put them in a home and never actually play

@emmaforde3745

5 жыл бұрын

Ecesu Gök the only thing I do in the sims

Love ur videos BTW: in hair style history we Cluster the timelines in early, mid and late Victorian. Heard a lot of costume historians also use that term. But when it comes to hair fashion the victorians didn’t move as quickly as they did with dress volumina... but I think that division is still pretty useful Peace and congrats to ur knowledge🥳

I personally adore the 1880's era of the Victorian era, mostly because the torso was so tailored and fitted.

A friend of mine made a documentary about women of the jazz age in the U.S. and the back cover called it the Victorian era. But the years it listed were 1910 to 1930's which is pretty firmly Edwardian. I didn't say anything since the copies were already made up and I didn't want to be that "um, actually.." person... It's been eating me up for years and I had to say this somewhere!!! Edit : Just found out the 1910 to 1930 isn't Edwardian either 😅. So far it's got a bunch of possible names but the top two I like are Machine age and Gilded age.

@testosteronic

5 жыл бұрын

jodie _dodie that's after Edwardian too, the Edwardian era only lasted until 1910 when Edward VII died. The best way to describe 1910 - 1930 would be 'early twentieth century', although it does sit neatly inside the machine era, but hardly anyone actually uses the phrase 'machine era'

@sleepysartorialist

5 жыл бұрын

That’s more Gilded Age than Edwardian.

@jordang7479

5 жыл бұрын

@@testosteronic... oops I feel kinda embarrassed now. Usually no one sees my comments 😅. He could have also called it the Jazz Age or said something like "as the roaring twenties lead into the great depression" might have given a clearer timeline.

@AndyD.21

5 жыл бұрын

I would not call it Edwardian or Victorian either because it was as you said in the US.

@jordang7479

5 жыл бұрын

@@AndyD.21 Yeah I'm not sure why we do that either. I mean we faught a war to separate from England but we still use their royalty to name eras. It's odd.

10/10 would watch you flip out over fashion history again! P.S. don't listen to the haters, i live for your hilarious historical roleplay

I love your videos, especially when you clarify fashion history so beautifully!

People misunderstand Gothic, as well.

I saw the title and audibly went "yes drag their historical inaccuracies meme mom"

I think people tend to associate the Victorian Era as dark & macabre because the goth community has incorporated it into a subculture known as "romantic goth" & because of Edgar Allan Poe being popularized too. 👏Very interesting video, Karolina👏

@emilyrose3490

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, also Victorian goth

I could listen to her talk about historical fashion all day! I LOVE that it's accurate and I love her passion! I'm a genealogist and I love picturing my various ancestors who lived during these times and what they wore when.

You have no idea how much I adore and appreciate these

I think that the stereotype about victorian era being so dark may also come from the fact that it is a beloved era of certain subcategory of goth subculture, so if people meet contemporary outfits inspired by the era it's usually black colours, mourning attire and all that jazz. And then people may also assume that the time period that created Dracula or Jekyll and Hyde HAS tO be spOOOOky, RiGht????? Thanks for an awesome and informative video, as always :D

@julijakeit

5 жыл бұрын

well, queen Victoria mourned her beloved Albert after his death in 1861 for many years, mourning fashion was at its peak at that time.

@Queenofobscurepairings

5 жыл бұрын

Ya it inspired the Gothic scene. I hate when people say it was inspired off of music like susie and the Banshees! Or David Bowie and Queen! What??! I want bang my head against the wall! LOL

@empressing2589

5 жыл бұрын

@@Queenofobscurepairings The goth subculture is a music based subculture that includes bands like Siouxsie and The Banshees (she invented the traditional/original female goth look of the 80s). However, Victorian goths and romantic goths are inspired by the Victorian era. But goth fashion comes in more than just 3 flavours obviously. We don't think we look like Victorians, but we love history and pulling elements from it to create interesting fashion of our own.

@guitarsauce5978

5 жыл бұрын

I also agree that the goth subculture started off as a music based culture, but I do not believe that it is the embodiment of the genre as a whole anymore. Even though people will argue now over the meaning of what being goth is now, it most certainly started as a music based subculture! Love me some The Cure!

@amandajean7738

5 жыл бұрын

Jazz wasn't around until the 1920's.

What bothers me personally is that the whole modern memento mori thing is something that the goth subculture created but mainstream society went all, “oh that’s what it looked like” without doing research. Literally, there is a difference between recreation of Victorian fashion and gothic Victorian styles which take ONLY from the mourning styles and not the everyday stuff. (Although i do think that it’s really pretty to add the everyday stuff in with those looks)

@alskarmode

4 жыл бұрын

Rhiannon Not to be nitpicky, and I’m probably not understanding your comment correctly, but the goth subculture didn’t create memento mori as a practice and concept. It has been around for a very long time, and was a big part of Christianity (particularly Catholics). That traditional practice is having a resurgence among some modern Catholics nowadays which is interesting too Edit: Re-reading your comment I think. I didn’t read it wrong? If that’s the case, my bad lol

I love these videos! I did enjoy the role play in your last one. I hope you decide to do more of these!

Imagine in the future when they talk about the elizabethan ii era. Oof. That would be interesting.

I saw a comment on The Favourite about it being "Lovely Victorian Fashion!" and I just thought that like would trigger the hell out of our meme mom. I mean QUEEN ANNE IS LITERALLY IN THE MOVIE.

When you see everyone talking about how late it is, and you're just sipping your morning coffee while watching MEME MOM. Good morning from this timezone.

@emmareijonen635

5 жыл бұрын

Same thing here 👀🍵👍

@lenag.654

5 жыл бұрын

Same

@tealeafgreen8505

5 жыл бұрын

Same where do you live

@escaramujo

5 жыл бұрын

+

@lightyagami6794

5 жыл бұрын

England here lads, 7 am... Having a nice bath to keep myself alive because I'm too tired to hold a shower thing over my head today-

Thank you for all that knowledge and taking the time to make a video. I know a lot of fashion history people get peeved when articles like that come out that are inaccurate, and I totally understand. The hardest thing for me is when people are new and willing to dive into learning, and the people who are well educated in fashion history make us feel like things should be common sense. It is really hindering for new people to learn with others out there who put them down for not knowing the basics. People are curious and are obviously coming on here to learn and correct themselves. Thank you for being kind about it.

i loved the role play in the beginning it was entertaining and relatable and it sets you apart from other youtubers on this subject. it’s not just a long intro it’s actual substance of the video, it’s a PART of the video.. so don’t listen to those few people, they could just skip ahead if it’s too long.

I need videos like this. Because you’re able to say people are really stupid, but you say it so much nicer. 😂

@auroraborealis6398

5 жыл бұрын

People are not stupid. They are not documented about the subject. We all have an area in science or cooking that we are "stupid" at..

@Corathiniah

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with both of you. :D It's such a knee-jerk reaction to want to smack your head into something and yell at people, but that is not particularly constructive. Getting into historical fashion is such a minefield, it makes it really hard to start. Most newbies get 'blown up' at some point, but I recently met a girl who told me the story of how she met a more historically accurate costumer who DIDN'T attack, simply invited her to come visit and get some help improving her simple outfit.. now she is happily frolicking through historical reenactment events with a small band of other young ladies in very respectable period correct layers! We all need more patience and faith in others, I'm still trying to understand what makes me want to explode in the face of innocent ignorance. It's not a crime, it's a starting place!

@MossyMozart

4 жыл бұрын

@P3891 - Ms Karolina was referring to professional costume designers and production companies who don't put in the effort to get their shows more accurate. She wasn't speaking of amateur clothing makers or "people" in general.

If y'all wanna know how Victorian ppl dressed, watch channels like Prior Attire.

@rachelgiguere5839

5 жыл бұрын

Hoo yes!!

I'm so glad you made this video!!! For the longest time I thought I was wrong even though through Music, History, English, Drama we got to do research and I usually researched about people and fashion and different movements as well. Victorian fashion is not Edwardian but Edwardian is somewhat part and developed from Victorian

I've never learned so much about period fashion anywhere else than from you on your channel, seriously films should be hiring you if they're not already! You really know your stuff

When an anime has a bit more accuracy to victorian fashion than these articles. *BOI...*

@samwalker7866

5 жыл бұрын

Fancy Fedora Cat which anime?

@eepysleepsleep

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! In Black Butler, Madam Red's dress is accurate with the 1880's fashion.

@yozha92

5 жыл бұрын

@@samwalker7866 try EMMA!

@chaoticqueen9381

5 жыл бұрын

IKR?

@chaoticqueen9381

5 жыл бұрын

@@eepysleepsleep yassss black butler♡♡

I love the roleplay videos!! Don't let them tell you what to dooo

Literally just dropping a comment to say that I LOVED the role playing! I was cracking up!! I just literally discovered your channel yesterday, started watching again this morning with the 1920's video, cracked up, hit pause, liked, and subscribed. You're so funny!!

I love 19th century authors like Martha Finley, George MacDonald, Susan Warner, E.D.E.N. Southworth, Isabella "Pansy" Alden. The stories have vague descriptions of dress ("calico print", "brown travel", "black silk"), but your channel makes the scenes in my head come alive! Just expressing my appreciation.

Can you review the show the UK show Victoria? I'd love to see your views on how accurate the costumes are. Love the channel btw!

@BlackStrawberry79

5 жыл бұрын

Yesss

@mimallonidi7898

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! I wanted to write just the same.

@ChelseaJeanBentley

5 жыл бұрын

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@michellestratford9753

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing!

@Lauratherose

5 жыл бұрын

Yesss! This!

I keep seeing people call the Georgian era show Harlots "Victorian." Like...what???

I would love to hear you talk about Polish 19th century fashion

Thank you so much for this I don't know how I'd do my assignments without your videos ♡ ♡ ♡

I think the misconception is due to Americans looking at the period through an American lense. For example, when you showed a picture of the ladies wearing crinolines I immediately thought of Scarlett O'hara from Gone With the Wind, lol

@g5rearea

4 жыл бұрын

Those gowns from the 1850s I've honestly always referred to as Antebellum(though I'm well aware that refers more to the architecture style).

@hyacinthlover9370

4 жыл бұрын

When I see the crinolines I think of Empress Sissi from the 50s German sissi movies... different lenses show different things !

@daniellegroves4830

3 жыл бұрын

As a American...I can live with that. I didn't really understand the monarchy ages thing till I got into history. We attach our history periods to whatever is loudest at the time, ex Cowboys, Gilded Age, Depression. Most of the time this describes a short time period or something specific so I can see things easily getting lost in translation. To be fair I have never seen Gone With the Wind so I don't know how much that inflounced my point of view.

@donnamarievalentine1156

3 жыл бұрын

@@daniellegroves4830 You have never watched Gone With The Wind? Oh, please make that a priority. Vivien Leigh and Clark Gable, all the cast - Scarlett's clothes - OMG! It is great!

You explain things so clearly and it's great. 😊 It's so true that a lot of people mistake Edwardian fashion for Victorian. I often see people mistake Regency era fashion for Victorian fashion too. 🤷‍♀️ I'd love to see a video on the hairstyles.

@Queenofobscurepairings

5 жыл бұрын

BibbidiBobbidi Bunny it’s cuz they all these fashions coexisted side by side,

For some reason Victorian era litterature being my favorite (Especially Romanticism) made it to where all of this was exactly as I remembered imagining it based off of various descriptions. Which is just crazy to me! Ah makes my heart sing to know more little details though.

Thanks for another really interesting discussion. By the way, I love your “alpine braids” hairstyle, it is such a classic European style, and one of my favorites when I had really long hair. As you said, fashions were so diverse over the long Victorian Period that it is hard to generalize a single “look” of the era. I think the only aspects that were consistent throughout the period, for adolescent and adult women, were: 1. Long-skirted dresses ending at, near, or trailing at the floor level; 2. Fullness in all or part of the skirt; 3. Silhouette with a tight, fitted waist, at or near the natural waist line, and 4. Use of many, mostly feminine, trims and details, including but not limited to, pleating, ruching, ruffles, lace, braids, fringe and other passementerie, embroidery, ribbons, decorative buttons, insertions and multiple layers with swags, festoons, etc. As you said, fabrics were just too varied to generalize, except in the sense that they were all made with natural fibers in the earlier part of the period, manmade fibers like Rayon, and Synthetic fabrics like polyester were still in the future. Natural (plant or animal based) dyes were used in the earlier part of the period, but the invention of aniline dyes later in the period led to a profusion of strong, bright, and even wild (to modern eyes) colors. Also common is the use of multiple, mostly washable (sometimes the outermost petticoat was made of, for example, stiffened silk taffeta) undergarments, long-hair styled completely or partly put-up, and a variety of specific-use, mostly feminine-style accessories. I think flatter to mid-heeled leather or fabric shoes and boots (often buttoned), and over-the-knee length stockings held up with garters, were also fairly consistent. I also agree that black, gray, and brown colors were chosen to be budget-conscious and versatile for many different occasions, or “serviceable” as they said. Lower middle-and lower-class women, who could afford one “good dress”, usually chose one of these darker colors. Keep up the great work!

I love to see how your english gets better with every video you make and also I miss your cat. Where is that a**hole???

*sims music starts playing* me: having flASHBACKS OF 4TH GRADE

@laurenshwarts2149

5 жыл бұрын

Lol I had a flashback to 12 hours ago #stillplaying #sims3forever

@annie-4984

5 жыл бұрын

@@laurenshwarts2149 you're my hero #hellyeah

I loved the role playing - please do more of it!

I love so much these videos about fashion history, and I would be sooooooo happy if you make one about jewelry of this era !! Please please please !!!

Hi, meme mom can you do a video about 1960's fashion? It really bugs me when fashion videos, magazines, or movies make 60's fashion look like the cliche hippie style or just hairstyles with a small bump. It is my favorite era of fashion and music. It was so diverse in fashion from French ye-ye girls, Motown, British invasion, and the difference between U.S. east coast and west coast girls.

I'll tell you right now; the dark grim imagery we think of when we think "Victorian"? That's goths' fault. Our bad. We just really love that shit and we're one of the few groups of people crazy enough to actually go out looking like that for no reason. 😂

Thank you for this explanation on this!! Your awesome and I myself would love to hear more of these types of videos and of course you trying on vintage dresses!!!

You’re the embodiment of the ideal fashion history teacher. Knowing a little about a lot, not too in depth while also not too vague.