Do you think Victoria’s Secret is making a successful comeback?

@jasmineshelton759

Жыл бұрын

Nah, it's too late. These changes are great, but should have been done long before it affected their wallets, ijs.

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

I think they’re trying. Don’t know how successful it is yet

@junbug120

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say they have made a "successful" comeback (yet, maybe?) but I can see them trying. However, I feel the damage has been done and the brand's image is already tainted with these negative/ harmful notions that I think it can be hard for the brand and consumers to fully separate them from the past. And I can understand how some may think that this new "change" can be viewed as performative. Overall, great video! thank you for sharing ^.^

@LC-ip5dy

Жыл бұрын

The damage has been done, and the “new vs” is boring. They seem desperate. Also, having worked there for many years, that toxic culture is deeeeoply engrained in the company even at the retail level.

@alicecat989

Жыл бұрын

It's totally performative. It may be a smart comeback, but it'll never become as popular as the 2000-2010 era.

The worst part is society responding to all our critiques by saying, “You’re just jealous.” That we made fair criticisms about this being unhealthy. Then we were all met with “it’s just you. You are the one being lazy and not doing enough to be that size. You can also look like this if you are ‘disciplined enough.’” Did that sound like anyone else’s ED voice?

@trumpsleftnipple277

Жыл бұрын

Omg this!!! And people still tell you that today too sometimes if you point out something unhealthy! It’s horrible. I think it influences our ED voice a lot.

@jaylicious4694

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@jhopesspriteempty8173

Жыл бұрын

I mean often it’s just jealousy, I’m not allowed to say “this shirt makes my waist look weird” to why other girls cuz they’ll say some shit like “It’s physically perfect so stfu and stop craving attention” that anger coming from them is pure jealousy

@vanessadenise6802

Жыл бұрын

@@jhopesspriteempty8173 so true

@wistfulina

Жыл бұрын

it does sound like that a lot. good thing I don’t actually take action because I’m too selfish to starve myself

the fact that even now women are still fighting each other and starving themselves to fit into a mold that men created. We have to be the cool girl, the supermodel. Always smiling, never angry, never gain weight. That's inhumane

@rewdskwid

Жыл бұрын

And we have to do it all without a single complaint, we should be blessed to have the opportunity to be graced by a man's attraction and perversion.

@Bunyip3124

Жыл бұрын

Strong disagree, it's women destroying women. Look at the standard of beauty in men's magazines and then compare that to the standard of beauty in women's magazines and fashion campaigns - men's magazines have much more voluptuous bodies and women's magazines / fashion labels show - even to this day - show women so skinny they would disappear from view of they turned side-on ... case in point, look at Aritzia or Henne (Australian brand) catalogues. Most men in real life don't go for the latter, they really don't. They much prefer fleshier bodies, which though are not indicative of the general population, are less severely malnourished than 'women's' models. Women are chasing the images projected by fellow women. They do it for the admiration of their own, not necessarily for the benefit of the male gaze, because if you ask any man on the street they generally always say they like a bit of jiggle.

@hannam3924

Жыл бұрын

Men don't like skinny women though. It's women who bought into the idea that this is what men want. Men like thick women and the money they make from our insecurities.

@Bunyip3124

Жыл бұрын

@@hannam3924 if girls were told tomorrow that men find mid-sized women sexy (AU12 or AU14) I bet you any money that girls would STILL want to be super slender, regardless of what men prefer. If they got told men like the jiggle, I don't believe it would make much difference to their desire to be thin. That's why I strongly feel this isn't driven by men, but by our own.

@hannam3924

Жыл бұрын

@@Bunyip3124 But that's what I am saying tho. I have always been skinny at 5.9 125lbs and trust me I am not many guys type. But most women I meet are like "I wish I was skinny like you or most guys prob like you". In reality, they don't. Men like thick girls and the money they make of our insecurities.

my mom used to tell me it's a lot easier to put yourself through hell when your job and image were on the line. I've never seen the modeling industry the same since.

@marvin2678

Жыл бұрын

Sorry what does IT mean

@candiceswanepoelcanmurderm5160

Жыл бұрын

@@marvin2678getting skinny and starving.

I love the fact that Taylor brought up the comment that people said she looked pregnant or had a big tummy. As a female with a smaller frame everything is noticeable. For some reason people feel comfortable to comment on your weight when you are smaller and I hate it. The “friends” in my life thought that saying I would look cute pregnant was a compliment. Commenting on peoples weight is not okay. Regardless if you think that skinny friend of yours doesn’t mind. Just like how you are mindful of your thick thighs I’m mindful of my growing belly. So stfu if you don’t have anything nice to say ❗️

@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118

Жыл бұрын

One thing I still remember is a model who talked about the fact that she has IBS and she got to the agency one day and they told her she looked pregnant, and she got offered pregnancy fashion/maternity wear shoots and she just went with it because it was work. I don't remember which interview/documentary this was but it also talked about size 10 models who were working as plus sized models and were always expected to bring their own custom padding from home so they could put this padding on for shoots where the client was looking for size 12/14 models. Basically plus sized models who are the smallest plus size (by plus size model standards, not retail clothing standards) got the most jobs because they were the most versatile because they could become a size 12 or 14 with padding, and they had the slim face most clients were looking for.

@semekiizuio

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like insecurity which is fine to have, everyone has some especially teenagers but definitely needs to get worked on

@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118

Жыл бұрын

@@semekiizuio Regardless if someone is insecure or not it's generally considered rude to comment on other people's bodies like that. It's not nice, it's not meant to be nice, it doesn't come from a place of concern. "Sounds like insecurity" is blaming OP for actions of others.

@semekiizuio

Жыл бұрын

@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 people will always judge and have a specific perception of you. You will get negative comments no matter if you have a good personality or appearance. You can either take this negativity and feed of it or let it go, afterall we are the only ones in control on how we react not others. If you want to be angry about others peoples criticism go ahead. It's doing more harm to you then good. Like I said, everyone has insecurities that's perfectly normal but you can learn to overcome it and move to something else. If the lady here is so bothered and triggered about her weight then maybe she should do something to change and better herself or not give a f. Is it wrong to bully someone verbally, absolutely. But how many times how many people will you come across that wont give a f and bully you anyway. So yes both parties are to blame. Making rude negative comments is wrong (unless with the intent of it being the only way to open someone's eyes with bluntless) so is shielding yourself from the truth (or if it's not weight but high, you have to not give a f and accept yourself as you are) None if it is easy to do of course but recognizing it is a steps to acceptance and searching why tha insecurity is a focus within yourself. Everyone goes through trauma, heal that to not be triggered by words.

@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118

Жыл бұрын

@@semekiizuio You're still not responsible for other people's actions. "Both parties are to blame", no, that's victim blaming. You are not responsible for other people's actions regardless of how they affect you. This is just another version of "it's your fault you felt insulted after I just intentionally insulted you" which is what bullies typically say when they want to get away with acting shitty without any consequences when in reality they are 100% to blame for what they said. I could say "you mean well but this 'tough love' approach doesn't work on most people and you're going about it in quite the wrong way" but I doubt you even mean well.

Guys, even boys are affected by this too. I almost became anorexic until i met Zoe. Thanks so much🤧

@carolinefroyd

Жыл бұрын

Oh my God, I thought that at least guys are free from this type of pressure. I'm so sorry, hope you're feeling better now ❤

@ToyCircle

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinefroyd speaking from my personal experience and struggle, as a gay boy, gay people have different set of beauty standards, like they skinnier you are the more you are desired...people will pretend like that isn't true because this generation is oh so inclusive...and sure that's nice and all but people are shallow oh well. My story is, I lost weight because I wanted to look like a "twink" bcs imo that is what I felt and still feel is what is highly desired among gay men, essentialy that is how my ed started. Just thought I'd share with you how this man got started with his ed.

@v_bunny

Жыл бұрын

i once read a kinda cheesy quote once that hit me kinda hard, as a guy who has struggled with an ed for years: “ppl want skinny dudes who look like they’re dying, but how do you think they get there?” and like,, yeah ppl still desire that in people of any identity which is super sad bc it’s not healthy in the slightest

@raavishsivakumar4121

Жыл бұрын

@@ToyCircle I have never related so much to someone befoee

@rainways7586

Жыл бұрын

@@carolinefroyd hi I’m a trans guy and I developed an Ed due to dysphoria but also the pressure and expectation of looking like a skinny thin boney boy because society told me the smaller I am the more masculine I will look. So all types of people are affected by these pressure or similar ones.

At the end of the day, it's a company. They don't care about us, they just want our money. We're just numbers to them. We are people, not just consumers, it's important to remember.

@theeccentric7263

Жыл бұрын

As long as they run our society with an authoritarian grip, accountability will only get us so far.

@KamoreeLove

Жыл бұрын

@@trinitym5552maybe you didn’t read this comment right and assuming someone’s gender? 🙄

@geraldomelo8371

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. It baffles me that most of the VS models were not even American to begin with, most of them were Brazilians. To any other women, to look like a Brazilian, they'd have to mix up tons and tons of ethnicities from Africa, Europe, Indians from Brazil and even Asians. 3 out of the 5 official angels were Brazilians... During the 2000's, more than the half of girls who walked on that show were from 🇧🇷. How could American women be lured into thinking they could look like them if they don't have the required genes to do so? That's simply insanity at its finest. And I've never heard any of them saying they've been mistreated by the company or even abused, they all said they'd gain up to 10x more than the "average American and even European models" and therefore, they'd join in. After all, as you've said, it's a company, and as every other company, one has to sign a contract and behave a certain way in order to be employed still, and if one doesn't like it, gtfo. Adriana Lima, per se, started modeling for them at the age of 18 and left in 2018, she worked for them for almost 20 years and now they asked her to return and work for them again. So, if VS was this "evil" as some say, do you really think she and other Brazilian girls would've stayed for that long? Or even would come back and work for them again? Think about it...

Side note, I can't believe the likes of Kendall Jenner are bigger names and influence now than actual supermodels like Miranda Kerr, Adriana Lima, etc. What a world we live in

@nonjabulomangoro1871

Жыл бұрын

Miranda Kerr and Adrianna Lima are before her time, they retired as she was coming up, so it does make sense. Karlie Klose, Candace Swanepoel, Elsa Hosk and the like were bigger than Miranda Kerr and Adrianna Lima in the mid 2010 when Adrianna Lima and Miranda Kerr were slowing down. And those names are slowly getting less and less recognition now and it's Kendall Jenner, the Hadid sisters, Hailey Bieber and so forth, in 5+ years there will be others

@vel3484

Жыл бұрын

time changes new people will come lol

@miglek9613

Жыл бұрын

Edit: *Bella Hadid The current supermodel is Gigi Hadid, Miranda Kerr and Adriana Lima have already had their spotlight

@ndee1472

Жыл бұрын

@@miglek9613 Bella is the current *mainstream* supermodel

@miglek9613

Жыл бұрын

@@ndee1472 technically both of them are but yes, Bella is definitely the more popular one and I did mix them up

I think my older bro seriously looked out for my mental health when I was growing up. He was 6 years older and had a lot of female friends (he’s gay) so he probably saw some things they went through. For my 12th birthday he got me a book called “Real Gorgeous” by Kaz Cooke and it was a humorous guide for girls on the reality of the female body in all its variations. I remember one cartoon of a designer saying he wanted women to diet until they resembled coat hangers. Something as absurd as that insulated my adolescent brain from the 90’s heroin chic.

@im_dy1ng183

Ай бұрын

Ayo that’s so sweet of ur brother

So proud to say that I was eating a slice of pizza while watching dozens of VS models popping up on my screen. I lost my entire adolescence to eating disorders, reaching 49kg being 1,69cm tall. Today I am a runner, I nurture myself in order to have the best perfomance, and although sometimes I see myself restricting and obsessing over wanting a VS model body, I am never ever getting to that point again. It damaged me beyond measures, but I’ve never been better

@blueholly2230

Жыл бұрын

@@undefinedfuck1301 I think that's a little unfair, someone has expressed something traumatic they have been through and you immediately go to call them out on their "problematic behaviour" under a video about eating disorders and weight. If people are watching a video about eating disorders there is an implied trigger warning. I'm sure people watching this video and reading the comments already have an understanding that there will discussions on exact weight loss numbers. Apologies if you have experienced eating disorders yourself and have found yourself distressed by these kinds of comments but you need to remove yourself from situations that may be triggering or confronting instead of telling people how to express their pain and past. Talking about taboo subjects is how we learn and understand. If we had been under a video called idk cute cats on boats and someone was talking about how much weight they lost due to their eating disorder, that would be inappropriate. But here, it is appropriate. Hope this finds you well

@undefinedfuck1301

Жыл бұрын

@@blueholly2230 Hmmm... Okay, you are right. And yes, I have a eating disorder myself. Thank you for the kind way you told this to me, it will have an impact on how I see this kind of situations in the future. I should have at least been more thoughtful about the way I was writing my comment, like you were with me.

@undefinedfuck1301

Жыл бұрын

Anna, I'm sorry if I my comment was hurtful in any way (if you've seen it). I think it's wonderful you came that far in your life.

@iloveazaeliabanks

Жыл бұрын

Wow pizza so quirky

@w.2978

Жыл бұрын

we want that body until we realize that even VS models didnt have this body and no matter how much they exercised and did diets, they still had to use weight loss injections and couldnt even drink water a day before the show to get defined muscles. pls remember that :)

My therapist told me anorexia is so deadly because of the damage it does to your heart. Most people who die from it do not die of starvation. Even after you have recovered, permanent stress remains on the heart from constantly depriving your body of nutrients and energy. As a result, many die of heart attacks in their 30s or later in life due to a previous eating disorder.

Am I the only one who thinks this series would be a great concept for a podcast... Anyway, I'm always soo excited about a new video. These videos helped me a lot and the fact that Zoe shows and talks about her struggles and triggers while staying true to herself even in front of the camera is what I love about her and her videos. 🥰💖

@zoeunlimited

Жыл бұрын

Definitely want to start a podcast! Stay tuned!

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t agree more. I definitely hope she makes one

@ffossip

Жыл бұрын

watching this space for podcast updates 😊

@maite_myt

Жыл бұрын

I usually watch/listen to her videos/voice while washing dishes or doing chores and it feels like podcast sometimes hahah so I would definitely listen to it if she ever does one ❤

The one thing that bothered me initially about the rebranding of VS is that they made the lingerie noticeably less sexy, feminine, and glamorous. Everything became boring and matronly. I know that this wasn't their intention, but it sent the message that diversity can't be sexy and glamorous and feminine, that those things are only reserved for the skinny, young women that we saw before. I wish we could have brought in diversity, improved the comfort of the garments, but kept the beautiful glamour. What the rest of us wanted was to be included in the beauty, not segregated to a completely different category.

@alexonline2340

Жыл бұрын

i was thinking the exact same thing! the message theyre sending is more sophisticated and inclusive, which is better, but there's no glamour or fun :(

@alexia3552

Жыл бұрын

This ☝️

@fishh3ad

Жыл бұрын

YES!

@brintesiacirce9414

Жыл бұрын

VS always looked tacky and cheap to me, even if overpriced, maybe because I'm not American and my idea of lingerie is more intimissimi

@emiscommentingaccount96

Жыл бұрын

​@@brintesiacirce9414 I don't think it's because you're not American because personally, I've always disliked the style of Victoria's Secret and I'm American 😅

I'm so happy that Zoe shows us her daily life and her recovery process, I know it's not easy, but you keep going anyway. Keep it up, ily.

@khalilahd.

Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more. I’m so proud of her growth ❤

@WhitneyDahlin

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree! It's an it's incredibly difficult to recover from! And off topic‼️Also it shouldn't need to be said but I feel like it does, Anorexia is NOT contagious. You cannot get anorexia from watching a thin person or admiring a thin person. It is an underlying very serious mental disorder. It is human nature to eat so there has to be something very seriously wrong mentally in order to not eat for days at a time. And even if you try if you don't have the underlying mental issues you can't get it. Just like obesity isn't catching and you can't get obese or end up with a food addiction from looking up to or admiring an obese person. Just like depression isn't contagious, just like bipolar isn't contagious. Unfortunately for some reason when it comes to anorexia there are a lot of people who are completely misinformed and think you can catch it.

I spent basically all of my life struggling to stay thin. I developed an ED that took control of my entire life. Now I’m in my 30’s and I hardly ever think about my weight. Every now & then those bad thoughts will creep in but I have healthy coping mechanisms to keep me healthy. I’ve reached a point in my life where I don’t care how big my waist is or what size shirt I am. I genuinely don’t care and it’s a feeling I never, ever thought I would have. And I wasn’t even actively trying to obtain body peace. It just happened. So don’t give up. :) Body peace will eventually happen when you least expect it. :)

@justeeyore5432

Жыл бұрын

As someone who barely remembers life before my ed, this is really comforting ❤

@frieda9745

Жыл бұрын

proud of you!!

@faefaefae904

Жыл бұрын

@@frieda9745 thank you 💗

@faridaakther8248

Жыл бұрын

Ahhh i am proud of you. 🥺❤️

I felt like I was going to die so often. It was so horrible to go to sleep not knowing if you would wake up the next morning. Anorexia isn’t something to become „beautiful“ it’s the transitioning phase to death. That’s all.

@Schmatzediekatze

Жыл бұрын

@Trinity M yeah that’s what I’m saying though. A lot of girls online believe that the only way to be beautiful is to be thin. And usually they discover starving themselves, which can end up with them dying. I wasn’t saying that it’s the only way, but any diet could suddenly turn into something really harmful. That’s why we need to appreciate our bodies and accept them how they are, because even if you get anorexic and lose a ton of weight, the only way to live peacefully again is to gain it all back, change the way you think about food and finally accept your Body the way it is. (Which also means accepting that weight gain isn’t something to be shunned or talked badly about, because no one should be ashamed to eat and nourish themselves)

@Schmatzediekatze

Жыл бұрын

@Trinity M all I’m trying to do is convince people that read my comment: Anorexia=gateway to death THAT was the point. Not people only being beautiful if they’re thin.

@domeatown

Жыл бұрын

For me it was a socially acceptable form of self harm. It made me feel strong and in control. You could hurt yourself and then walk out and get compliments for doing it Then hunger becomes a fun game. Until it isn't anymore. It's basically making a game out of dying. Calories are the points. It's an addiction like being addicted to video games. Then you die It really wasnt ever about looks for me

@c.w.8200

Жыл бұрын

That's unfortunately 100% a possibility, I was experiencing organ failure at 80 pounds and 5'11 and for a long time I wanted to go, I thought it's best for me to die and I often regret I didn't have the courage to go through with it at 19, life didn't get any better for me.

@jinnamonroll5684

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile I go to sleep hoping I won't wake up

i wanted to be a model since i was a little kid and then i would dream a lot about becoming a VS angel. and then i saw retired models on youtube saying that people in modeling community basically encourage each other to have eating disorders and learned about the abuse and sexual harrassment. i always just viewed it as a fun way to make money by posing for magazines and walking fancy runways but unfortunately entertainment industry isn't as fun as we think and its sad. i had to give up my dream bc i was scared it would destroy me mentally

@strawberrylime33

Жыл бұрын

It's so sad but true. I wouldn't want to be in that environment either.

@kissabobissa8478

Жыл бұрын

This breaks my heart. I’m so sorry. 😢 I completely know how you feel. That’s exactly the position I’ve been in my whole life. Personally, it’s hard to give up a dream like that. One I also thought to be so fun, glamorous, and enjoyable. To be honest, I still hold it dear in my heart. But if it did in fact come in between me and my mental health, I would most definitely choose my mental health over a career in the industry any day.

Our insecurities are their greatest weapon

Thing thing Taylor Swift said about people calling her pregnant hits home to me. My friend literally told me that I looked pregnant in my graduation photos and it’s freaking humiliating

Can’t wait to watch this after school

@liahadams7796

Жыл бұрын

just got back home from school and I can watch it. It’s great so far

@yourmother8090

Жыл бұрын

Get back to work slacker

I've been noticing myself feeling not pretty enough these past weeks and I'm fighting so hard to stop that. I injured my sciatic nerve this year and I also had a lung infection, I'm fine now and I should love my body for it. It's so hard not to go back to a dark place😭😭😭😭 I've been fighting against ED and body dysmorphia for 5 years now and it's exhausting...

@usermanafrtyh

Жыл бұрын

I had a lung infection too because of not eating enough, and ruined my health with chemotherapy. i wish i didn't go through all of that

@AmandaSbarros

Жыл бұрын

@@usermanafrtyh I'm so sorry 😔😔😔😔 are u better now? I know that it's going to be a battle for life but it will get better, at least I hope it will...

@usermanafrtyh

Жыл бұрын

@@AmandaSbarros yeah. it's better now. and i learned to be greatfull for my body and health. still learning actually)

The angels had beautiful bodies. I gave up on VS when they took in activists instead of supermodels, for some virtue signal als said: "We'll be working with inspiring women now." As if the angels were not inspiring women. I am disgusted by the grift and the disrespect they showed to their hard working, top models.

Honestly I was in a better mental space when I was skinny! I could function more,was more energetic and active also had no clothes problem because everything would look good on me(also could thrift more clothes since the smaller sizes are always on sale or offer).Now that I have gained weight it's a nightmare!I'm always tired, feel so heavy, so bloated, inactive,hate all my clothes because they always feel so tight yet I'm not big enough for bigger sizes and I can never find anything in the stores!I wish I could go back to being that skinny again!

@b-chu9747

Жыл бұрын

Go with a certified nutriologist and physiotherapist expert in excercise (KZread workouts are bad idea) for weight loss. Plus, a therapist. Your health is first.

@nofilterbtxh5000

Жыл бұрын

@@b-chu9747 thx for your suggestions❤but I’ll just take more care of my diet and go to the gym more.(did it once and can do it again)I’m at this stage because ever since I graduated I desperately been trying to build my career and that has made me sit on a chair for 10+ hours,also eating more than usual. Now that I have built something I can afford to take more care of myself and is what I will do.Still my point was as much as these people try to picture being skinny as the wrong(bc some thirsty companies wanted to capitalize on that image) and being overweight as “the new norm” I’d go with skinny always!Not everyone feels the same,some people enjoy being fit and shouldn’t feel ashamed or be demonized for that.

@fart63

Жыл бұрын

I have the opposite problem as you. Now that I am “skinny” I have no energy whatsoever and am much weaker than I used to be

Those women were cultivated to just be pretty. Not strong, not powerful, not independent. They were cultivated to be viewed as a trinket, so men could spend their "hard earned cash" on trying to "win" their affection. The patriarchy and capitalism is to blame for this messaging. DO NOT BLAME THE FEMS for being part of the system. They are exploited... Know your value, and show your worth! Don't be afraid to have your voices heard also...we need each other to change this harmful behaviour. We all deserve better, and these games have to stop. Thank you for making this, and discussing your lived experiences. Look forward to seeing more. 💌

The delicate way you handle these topics is why I love your videos. I know I won’t be triggered by you tysm!! ❤

It’s honestly so sad to see men profit off the insecurities of women

@sophialente

Жыл бұрын

Sexism and capitalism go hand in hand

I was raised on the 90s-early 2000s VS. The thing I loved about it is it made shopping for bras fun for me as a girl. The body types they displayed were diverse and most of the models looked healthy and were able to show their personality. But then, around 2010 or so, the models became slimmer, blonder and 'dead-eyed' in person, even the older models were remained.

I always think we can see which way the body goal is moving by looking at kim K. She played a big part in the surge of bbls, and now she's lost weight and now i think the body goal is leaning back to early 2000s skinny. We can see by the coquette girls and many other aesthetics that rely heavily on skinniness

@JasminMiettunen

Жыл бұрын

I actually had to google because the word looked wrong but I wasn’t sure if it was an actual word, turns out it is, and it’s spelled ”skinniness” lol

@NessLove

Жыл бұрын

I’m scared of that i already can see it coming.

@idk-iw4yi

Жыл бұрын

@@JasminMiettunen tyy

@Anyox17

Жыл бұрын

@Trinity M The trend seems to be going toward a Korean K-pop idol style look, and their standard is ultra skinny, pale skin, certain makeup, etc. So, more Asian than white. Not everything is black or white…..and Asia has prized pale, moon-like skin for thousands and thousands of years, before they had much contact with white peoples. :) No group owns rights to a type of feature. Every race has many kinds of traits and bodies.

@kimss7299

Жыл бұрын

@@Anyox17 as an Asian the standard in Asia is to look as white as possible even if Asians say it’s a cultural thing trust me it is not, it’s ridiculous

I can’t wait for the show to comeback ❤❤

I do genuinely want the fashion shows back simply because the designs they came up with were just so fascinating to watch. To this day my favourite was Dangerous Liasons with Rhianna singing Diamond

@caitlingill

Жыл бұрын

Funny because Savage Fenty (Rihanna’s underwear brand) competed against VS for a while

@seinahlychho3520

Жыл бұрын

Me too i wish they came back.

The elegance and craftmaship of your outfits are always so beautiful.

I appreciate your transparency in your videos. It's so admirable

Thank you for making this video! I'm so grateful for people talking about this. Being conditioned like this fucked us all up-- I literally don't know any women who don't have some level of ed or serious body issues now or in the past. Today it affects me by ruining my sex life still because I can't be naked without being disgusted, and can only get off if I imagine myself with this body type. I am worried that it seems clear that intense body scrutiny and insistence on this particular super skinny body type is coming back, and it's going to be open season to mock demean and shatter women again due to not having an unattainable ideal body.

You’re real for this Zoe, your content is very relatable (things others shy away from) ❤

I personally LOVE this niche of videos coming from zoe Great work gurl

I'm happy to be going trough my adolescence with the "love yourself just the way you are" content around me. Even If there's the beauty standards I chose to look only to what brings joy and not frustration

zoe you look so STUNNING in this video!!! absolutely love your hair💘

I think that as soon as they got inclusive, they forgot about the glamour that made them big in the first place. Why cant they make glamoures clothes for average people?

@RibasNath

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Ikr? And that's not the only brand to pass through this.

@annierminx

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finally someone else that sees this, I don't know the actual reason behind such a change (or if there's even one), but I genuinely think it comes off as just another brand hinting that not-thin (won't say 'bigger" because even mid size women are included in the exclusion) women shouldn't or can't feel and look glamorous and luxurious, which is often excused with the "comfort over looks" rethoric, as if both things were mutually exclusive 🥲

Thank you Zoe for making me love myself more

I remember the chokehold Victoria secret had on everyone and I really hope they don’t come back into style 🙁

The way you sit is so sophisticated yet comforting. I love your videos.

Skinny / thin bodies aren't internationally the beauty standard, we as women are supposed to fuel our bodies with food in order to function in this tough world. Confidence is what makes you attractive not your size. Also, there's many beauty standards in the world, thin or curvy embrace it.

I feel like I tell myself I’m working out “for my mental health” and stuff but there’s no way I would if it didn’t tone my body. If I am over X lbs I feel absolutely disgusting. I feel like I have to be within a certain range to feel comfortable, to even wear certain clothes. Disordered eating is waiting, waiting, waiting…waiting to get to X lbs, waiting to fit into a certain dress to go out…I don’t know. I’m not as bad as I was when I was a teenager but being in my 20’s and still weighing myself and basing a lot of my self worth on my weight and measurements sucks but I can’t imagine life without it. It’s a weird comfort. I wish I could hug 12 year old me and beg myself to not become so obsessed with weight and go on pro-Ana sites. Thank you for this lovely video essay and for all of your amazing content and thank you for being honest and vulnerable. ❤

"Comparison is the thief of joy". But, when you're a teenager, it's nearly impossible to not compare. Society is sick. It won't stop because it makes money on the buying and the medical implications.

@Metonymy1979

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@Trinity M Only if the parents live in the woods

You are really something Zoe . Watching your videos really make me zoeeful.

It’s great there is so many videos like this for my younger generation

I think I would agree... Love your videos keep growing 💛

I love how calming your set/outfit it.

I didn’t want this video to end .. good work Zoe ❤❤❤

I am honestly glad VS's body standard never really had a hold in African countries, or at least in mine. Black ppl in general were never gonna reach that standard, we love food way too much. Like, it would never last here, guys prefer fat on their ladies bodies, that and actors are very diverse in looks. Our problem was mainly colourism, prefering lighter skins.

@omo8150

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As I black woman I get what your saying and it’s true to an extent, the beauty standard in the black community is one of looking curvy, however it’s important to distinguish that our beauty system do uphold fat phobia as well as our tendency to shame skinny black woman I think many outsiders think the in black community looking overweight is desired but the vixen body, hourglass or pear is idolised in the black community whether in the America’s, in Africa or Europe even Asia for black people living their. We have a tendency to Shame woman who are too fat and do not have the ‘fat’ in the right places by saying ‘our men like bigger woman’ which is a generalisation and we sexualise black minors who develop these features early in their teens which leads to sexual assault cases among our young and high pregnancy rates among young girls groomed by older men This is not a win, us having a beauty standard that favours curvy and shapely black woman, what it does is reinforces insecurities in young black girls who are skinny or fat and places toxic beauty standards that lead to girls getting BBL’s in foreign countries (which is life threatening) I think a lot of us do not understand that. As someone with a pear body on the skinner side ( I’m not super fit but don’t have a belly) and can recount me being 11 and men staring at my butt and my hips and undressing me with their eyes, completely disgusting and dehumanising as well as degrading. We need a system that tells black girls no matter what size,skin tone, hair texture, weight, features that their beautiful. Instead of proping up certain beauty systems and being proud of our beauty system that favours curvy woman who are a bit bigger (unlike other races who prefer skinner woman)

@JasminMiettunen

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@@omo8150 exactly, all beauty standards are toxic and dangerous to people who don’t fit them.

@ledam2654

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Colorism is just as toxic and pointless as skinny obsession. It's arguably even more insidious due to the racist/colonial/white supremacist roots it has. Same sewer poison, different bottle.

@5050TM

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I'm black and have had anorexia and given myself severe psychical and mental illnesses from it. Africa may be different but I think black women in North America are still susceptible to a degree. Probably much less than white and asian women though due to cultural differences and constant shaming of skinny women. BW can be pressured to be thick to the point where they develop binge eating disorders which I have also had once people started telling me how bad I looked. That can lead to being unhealthily overweight for their frame or yoyo dieting for a near impossible tiny waist + massive ass look. 🤷🏾‍♀️

@lelolanga9074

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@@5050TM true, body standards that just don't rely on what's best for U n Ur body health but on looks will always have the downfall of causing some form of ED. I am aware Black Americans have been affected by the skinny trend, it's not like you'd miss it with how slender pop singers (90s-early 2000s) looked. Then have to deal with the internal body standards of the community that was a conflict of interest. It's a damned if you do n damned if you don't. That whole ordeal must be ass. I'll be honest, I forget what a blessing it is to have a body that works in the first place, let alone it being average. We need to reach a point of appreciation for what we have.

this was such an interesting concept to explore and even reflect on how this big corporation has affected an entire generation and how we negatively view our bodies

Thank you for your truthful research, honesty and openness. You're a genuine lady with a lovely heart. 🐙(hugs)

Amazing to see zoe grow like a breeze been following since she had 10k subs

It's weird watching the footage of the models, as someone with anorexia. I used to have their figures and now I'm trying to recover so... obviously my stomach isn't as flat etc etc and I sometimes feel sad about that. But through recovery my mind already feels lighter.

@dove2826

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Your belly is probably very cute :) Not all thin people have flat bellies, there will nearly always be some sort of bump or curve- *especially* in women. Our stomach, hips and thighs are simply the places we store the most fat by nature. As a bi girl I find it attractive tbh. I wish you lots of luck on your recovery!

@Devi-gn2cs

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@@dove2826 I never realized that until I worked at a pool and saw hundred of essentially naked people everyday, of all weights across the spectrum. Well, even among the women that seemed underweight or on the lower end of "normal", almost none of them had a tummy that was completely pouch-less. This is probably one of the rarest features to have.

@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118

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When I was 21 I had a flat belly even though back then I was at the higher end of the healthy bmi range. I think I had a flat belly because of my youth and my body fat distribution. In the years after that I have yo yo dieted many times and even though there have been times I weighed a lot less than I did when I was 21 I didn't have that flat belly. My body fat distribution has changed, my skin elasticity has changed.

@Devi-gn2cs

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@@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118 Yeah what you're saying is consistant with my impression that most people with a flat tummy are like this because their BF percentage has remained extremely consistant from pre-puberty. It's rare to see a working model with a "chubby" past because even slight yo-yoing makes it harder to get the "tightness" required by the industry. You'd still look very light in person but professionals would see that things aren't perfectly firm. That's why we have to be more gentle with ourselves, no amount of discipline will override those things.

@itsalwayshalloweenexceptwh5118

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@@Devi-gn2cs I agree. I've noticed the same. I'm 38 and all of the 30 somethings and 40somethings that have a flat belly now most likely were never fat. I felt like every time I gained weight and lost weight I lost elasticity/firmness. That effect was cumulative. Now if I were to return to my slimmest weight I wouldn't look slim and firm, I would look slim and deflated. I agree we should be more gentle with ourselves, we cannot change the past. Part of what happened to our bodies in the past remains visible today. Some people never have a flat tummy even if they've always been slim. It's like winning the lottery.

I love your videos! They are formated so well omg.

There's diff a comeback from the 90s and 2000s and I feel like sometimes we glamorize it even tho it wasn't just about cute outfits like I like some of the fashion but we are going back to some of the "treads in body types". I feel like people don't want to buy Victoria secret stuff anymore cos it's just not great quality idk it might be overdone, the diversity just seems sort of fake now oh and it's overpriced. Idk if that even makes sense 🤷🏾‍♀️

@jasmineshelton759

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It makes all the sense

@khalilahd.

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Definitely agree 😢

Love absolutely everything about this video.

Thank you for talking about this topic

can you make a video about some of the toxic beauty standards of the kpop idol???

Hello Zoe; ik you might not see this but your videos taught me simply things such as how to eat as much as I want and still maintain my weight and healthy habits, you've helped me through insecurities and I just want you to know, I made it ♥️

Immediately subscribed after the intro ur so talented

I JUST found your channel. QUEEN- thank you for your content. Love you

YES GIRL this needs to be talked about

Your videos are just so valuable...

Honestly brandy Melville is doing the same thing in Chinese market. It’s actually sick

That white blouse is everything ✨

This is so sad to see how these women were abused and taken advantage of. I still think VS needs more time to improve there image. I know they are trying to be more inclusive but it just took them a long time to change there campaign. I am glad other companies like Fenty today are embracing their natural bodies instead of looking at some thing that is impossible to achieve. Everyone had a different unique body type. As always another great informative video Zoe ❤

My issue with VS and the modeling industry in general isn't the weight issue, since weight is something you can control. The height requirement (having to be as tall as a man) is what is so dehumanizing. It's nice that there are so many petite actresses and singers who normalize a smaller body type.

@crystalsnow9069

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Weight isn’t something you always can control. Medical issues, eating disorders..

Love the low key underdog citizen journalism you're doing with the ambulances. I've noticed so many more lately as well. Stay true!

Thank u So much for ur videos.🥺

Growing up in the 90s/00s, my ideal of beauty still is this. And the cocained chic looks, ofc.

Please start a podcast zoe! I love these kinds of commentary from you ❤

recovery is possible! I spent 6 months inpatient bc of anorexia at 14 and even though I will forever struggle, I'm at a healthy weight and intuitively eating anything and everything I want! If you would've told me that 6 years ago I wouldn't have believed it!! If anyone struggling is reading this: you deserve recovery, it's so worth it

Your fashion >>

When you look at how clumsily they work out, and how small of weights they are lifting, you can tell the lack of eating has made them incredibly weak. They can’t even do one pull-up, and they’re in their early 20s. That’s alarming

@zoepoulides

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ok I totally get what this comment is saying and I don’t disagree- but just wanna say that I have been lifting weights for years, I do manual labor for a living, and I can’t do one pull-up lol. Pull-ups take a different type of upper body strength that doesn’t come naturally to a lot of AFAB people. Just saying!!

@marvin2678

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Wtf is afab

@marvin2678

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If yourr Lifting for years and you cant Do a Single pushup youre doing something wrong, no offence

@yurplethepurple2064

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@@marvin2678 Assigned Female At Birth

@marvin2678

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@@yurplethepurple2064 so a woman. just call it that

i’m crying 😭

Incredibly well said

I wasted so many years and a good chunk of my health because if these crazy beauty standards... I am 52 now I was bulimic from 17 to 32... Still the problem was not over, I would starve as a matter or habit in my 30s and 40s. Only when I starting doing strength training in my 40s and accepted that I could not and should not be perfect (or forever young), I developed a truly healthier relationship with my body and its image. I was 48 kgs in my early twenties, now 55. The difference is my health, even with menopause and all, I feel so much better! I share this story to make two points: one, the damage caused by this company and the whole diet culture is huge and it may take ages to heal, but, two, it can be done, it should be done. Because you worth it! ;-)

I hope you start a podcast😭 I want longer contents❤️❤️

There back babe 😘😘

Yay first to comment. FYI I'm a big fan. I love these kinds of videos please keep it up ❤️❤️❤️

Zoe , I must tell you that you are as beautiful as your well edited and well scripted videos .....❤❤❤

Good video!

AMAZING VID

I have a friend with a naturally extremely thin body. She went into modeling for a few years. She told me that after the fashion show all the other models either didn’t eat or would just get salad…

I was 45kg at 170 and it wasn't fun. I'm glad I'm past that phase of my life.

@cloudycloud4171

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So proud of you ❤

This outfit🔥🔥🔥🔥

You look so beautiful with the dress

This was a good overview of VS but I don't think they can come back from the damage they have done and what they have truly represented for so long- it's too little, too late and not genuine, in my opinion. I actually really like they're bras and panties (I have only shopped there for as long as I can remember until I saw the documentary and learned of their sexual assault culture with their models) and now I make an active effort to get my bras and panties from anywhere else, even though I haven't found a product I like as much.

You should really start a podcast, I’d love to listen!! 🤭🫶🏻🫶🏻

Once you realize Victoria’s Secret, you realize the other reason you were never meant to compare your bodies to theirs.

@frosinicapandispan5534

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Was looking for this comment

Never been this early!!

I personally always loved watching the shows itself because of the outfits

very well done! new sub.

YESSS❤ I always made sure to wear a bathing suit I was comfortable in with both my daughters so they seen their mom with a few extra curves 😎but confident in who I was. That was always important to me as a parent. Our children learn from home first and those impressions follow them forever. Love your message 🎉

I'll be honest, I've never been able to shop at VS, price aside. The store is just too freaking dark. I can't see shit lol and it makes me want to leave immediately. Idk if they'll make a comeback but I'm certainly not shopping there until the lighting situation improves 😩

omg new video

God bless!! 🙏🏼🤍

Zoe: "It might seem like a no-brainer that a lot of the values Victoria's Secret promoted are...Problematic..." Yeah, that's certainly one way to put it. Another way might be to say I have personally cleaned out sewer pipes with lower levels of toxicity than the Victoria's Secret ethos and governing aesthetic.

me as a skinny tall girl i struggle way more with the thicc trend. i dont understand why bodys are a trend. everyone has a different body type its not like clothes that we can just throw away next year because they are not in anymore.

@JasminMiettunen

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Exactly, whatever the trend is, it’s dangerous. Bodies should not be trends. Eating disorders kill, plastic surgery kills, this shit is dangerous.

@suklumaga4227

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👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@angeldude1681

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I think its weird to

@ninaalexandrazelenak2005

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Me too.