I think the biggest reason she-hulk looks weird to me is that the Hulk, like you said, doesn't look human. Whereas she-hulk look like a normal actress with a green tint after effect applied (granted expertly done). Also she is so perfect, no skin imperfection, no peach fuzz, meanwhile the hulk is gruff and has tons of minor details. It's so strange seeing her and the hulk standing next to each other, b/c they seem like completely different styles.

@maiahall1211

Жыл бұрын

Also at certain times in the trailer she doesn’t look proportional. People want big and lean and she just looks tall and lanky in some scenes. So it’s not exactly the VFX but the overall style they are portraying her as. She has so many different styles in the comics to choose from so it’s disappointing to see hers thighs and arms so tiny.

@spamalot2099

Жыл бұрын

I'm also concerned they went with the "sexy" Sensational She-Hulk character design, as opposed to some of the more modern, athletic versions that wouldn't have been as jarring next to Bruce.

@phostetlerart

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention, she's wearing normal people clothes in the "worst" shots. No one knows what a Spider-Man suit looks like, but everyone knows what a pant-suit blazer looks like. All of which is moot because I don't have Disney+. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Good job!

@reddragon0624

Жыл бұрын

Well yes that’s the point of She-Hulk

@siukong

Жыл бұрын

I think your problem (with the Hulk being an inhuman monster, while She-Hulk is essentially just an attractive woman with green skin) goes all the way back to the original design of the characters themselves, though. And is not that related to the VFX.

I suggest you guys take a look at Prehistoric Planet by David Attenborough - possibly the most realistic looking dinosaurs filmed through the perspective of a documentary. Just gorgeous

@ChineduOpara

Жыл бұрын

Where can I watch it for free?

@mrandersen6872

Жыл бұрын

@@ChineduOpara I don't think you can, its only on apple tv

@Axluratt

Жыл бұрын

@@ChineduOpara hurawatch

@eddiek8179

Жыл бұрын

Dude, did you just copy paste my post from their previous video? Wow. Anyways, I don't care. Carry on as long as it gets done.

@parkerd5508

Жыл бұрын

Holy crap, I was going to suggest that. I watched the first two episodes a couple days ago and was honestly blown away by how compelling the CG was.

For me, (She Hulk) what is triggering my mind is that her eyes have no micro movements. She is just deadpan robo-staring into things. That starts the uncanny rollercoaster. Especially the dinner date and the phone swipe scene.

@alwaysxnever

Жыл бұрын

Well stated. There is a close up shot that goes into the right side of her face that is downright beautiful, but many of the scenes are lacking those finer details. Disney needed to allow the artists more time to finish her.

@astralgod6448

Жыл бұрын

I feel like the color grading of she hulk is uncanny at times. She looks darker and more contrasted then other characters at times. Maybe i'm wrong tho.

@SubwayJack919

Жыл бұрын

*The racist phone swipe scene.

@FaithAndFilms

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you

@FaithAndFilms

Жыл бұрын

The eyes need more movement

Sam: You don't need to tell people that cgi is bad. Also Sam; proceeds to his job of criticising good or bad cgi to the general public.🤡 Thanks for the likes.

@cautemoc4624

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they had some absolute clown takes this episode

@SAM_1077

Жыл бұрын

👀

@SAM_1077

Жыл бұрын

@@abjectmass7154 👍

@SADVisions

Жыл бұрын

I believe he was speaking from a space of you either enjoy it or you don't 🤣

@januariusabhulimen8397

Жыл бұрын

@@cautemoc4624 They were obviously trying to please marvel🤣

Love, Death and Robots Volume 1: "Beyond the aquila rift" has some absolutely bonkers facial animation. Very photo realistic imo. They managed to capture the subtle tics of the facial muscles near perfectly.

@YSQUARED.

Жыл бұрын

And Volume 2's: Snow In The Desert

@alkatiwari5283

Жыл бұрын

All episodes

@stevenjake

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree!

@andresjose4906

Жыл бұрын

Agree

@douglaslee3379

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but at the end of the day Love, Death and Robots is an animation show. And while they occasionally incorporate elements of photo realism, it's animation and should be judged as such.

"You don't have to tell everyone it's bad." *literally has a youtube channel dedicated to telling people what's good and bad cgi*

@hidanhyuga

Жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly..

@KennethV45

Жыл бұрын

Also, I’m sure he prefers the design of the current Sonic in the movies rather than the original trailer’s version.

@riadzeka6078

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they make opinons on cgi and they're vfx artists I'm sure we can't say the same thing about you

@phatlewt2932

Жыл бұрын

@@riadzeka6078 you don't need to be a chef to have an opinion on food

@redknight326

Жыл бұрын

@@riadzeka6078 I don't have to be a mechanic to know when my car isn't driving right

‘people on the internet just want to dunk on things’ - person on the internet who dunks on things

The problem with She-Hulk at least for me that her movements are too smooth for a human, she moves with a smooth 60fps while everyone else is just around 30-45fps making her look out of place. All the fuss about the trailer quality is that, this is a trailer, finely picked scenes that Marvel chose to show the world what the series is capable of, so even if some of those finely picked scenes are flawed, what guarantee that even more scenes are just as if not more flaw than those trailer scenes.

@sophiadebar382

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY I WAS TRYING TO FIND THE WORDS

@lisahoshowsky4251

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. That’s my feeling. Like if this is your finely curated clips from the show and they turn me off this much I can’t imagine the show and the level of uncanniness.

@biggooba6706

Жыл бұрын

That one guy cant tell the she hulk is cgi jesus fucking christ there is no way these idiots are actual artists in any was shape of form LMAO

@ilo3456

Жыл бұрын

That is a really good observation, because her animation sometimes feels too smooth and perfect like a machine rather than a person, her facial expressions lack human qualities in the sense of not being perfect, the 3D models themselves are perfectly fine from a detail standpoint, but the animation is what really is letting the hard work of the 3D artists down.

@iamchrispaezjr

Жыл бұрын

That’s literally how all CGI is done. But it’s more off putting with human faces because the uncalled valley will always shine through. Plus, it’s Tatiana Maslaney doing mo-cap. Don’t think they really needed to animate the walking.

No mention of how Jibaro avoided clipping with all that jewelry and armor? It was an amazing technical accomplishment

@VishDumb

Жыл бұрын

Yeaa Idky they were i got a bit vibe that they were being kinda salty when they were reviewing that and i was most excited about their review of that only. Lol I thought they will appreciate it like helll

@tongpae02

Жыл бұрын

@@VishDumb How was they salty? i think they really like the work

@stormyweather1392

Жыл бұрын

Jibaro was really beautiful and most importantly heavily stylized. I agree they did seem salty.

@santi_super_stunts2573

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and still ended up being the worst episode

@lolitabubbles26

Жыл бұрын

It should have had its own episode. But seriously the behind the scenes with the director is far more informative than this video.

7:51 one thing that stands out is she doesn't blink. it's actually a rule in animation to make characters blink when they turn their heads because most people do that irl.

@justdewitt5409

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@daedalus_20v

Жыл бұрын

Blinks and (some word I forget for small involuntary eyelid and eye movements that people do) really help sell "this is a human." EDIT: saccades

She hulk doesn't look that great that it deserves this much defending. People aren't criticising the work and effort that goes into creating a TV show budgeted CGI character, because a full CGI character for a TV show is tough. But even none Visual Effect Artists can see how wrong it looks, I don't see why they couldn't have just mixed and matched CGI shots with the actual actress rather than bogging themselves down with having to go full CGI. I like Practical effects with CGI elements to bolster a shot. Full CGI rarely and VERY rarely works for me to get immersed.

@scorched2738

Жыл бұрын

how exactly would they practically make her 7 feet tall

@SirMonkeySuit

Жыл бұрын

@@scorched2738 Camera tricks, been done plenty of times on plenty of media throughout the century. Just opting for CGI is not creative, just Disney throwing money at the problem.

@ashishhembrom3905

Жыл бұрын

@@scorched2738 did you watch Lord of the rings? Or Honey I shrunk the kids? Cats looked better than this.

@Testosterone.and.Steroids

Жыл бұрын

@@scorched2738 If they can't do it practically, and can't do it convincingly through CGI, then maybe they just shouldn't do it.

@LETSPLAYmartin

Жыл бұрын

Finished the first episode and she looks preety damn neat. Again way to much controversy. Smart Hulk also looks insane. You seem to be biased.

Are we going to pretend that the animation of SheHulk's hair is convincing? Really good point about compression and stuff, but Her hair looks lifeless to me. (not a VFX artist)

@Queer_Nerd_For_Human_Justice

Жыл бұрын

I did notice the hair was weird. Kinda felt like a wig. I think too much of it was moving in sync.

@captainflowers748

Жыл бұрын

You said the hair is convincing then proceed to say the hair is NOT convincing

@strider8811226

Жыл бұрын

@@captainflowers748 it’s called being dumb trust they have no idea what they are talking bout 😒😒

@matibrizu1207

Жыл бұрын

@@captainflowers748 No they didn't...

@captainflowers748

Жыл бұрын

@@matibrizu1207 Oh yes, I completely miss-read the text, you're right. My only complaint with the fact She-Hulk looks like a normal person with green skin and muscles. To me her situation is not AS bad as she is making it out to be, she is just.. green basically. Bruce had actually issues he had to overcome which took hell a long time to find a solution. I do not know what drama they're gonna bring in here, but She-Hulk looks as normal as any other besides green. I had not read the comics, not sure if this is the same so if anyone can educate me on She-Hulk from the comics, I'll be down.

You guys should look at the VFX of _Everything Everywhere All at Once._ Apparently, all of the VFX was done by a small team of 5 people, some of which were done by the directors themselves. They even built a very low-budget version of Mandalorian's virtual set for the universe-jumping scenes.

@_sophies

Жыл бұрын

Big agree. They should look at the stunts too, the fight choreo is amazing. I bet the guys over at Martial Club (who did the stunts) would be willing to come on the show, they have their own YT channel!

@Radman2617

Жыл бұрын

Yes please. It’s quickly becoming one of my favourite movies of all time.

@Radman2617

Жыл бұрын

@@lederp42 if you think that’s impressive, look at the stunt coordinators that worked on the film. Incredible talent.

@RikFTK

Жыл бұрын

@@lederp42 The VFX were done by six people without proper training, who learned most of it by watching YT tutorials. No cap.

I feel that her shades of green, while comic accurate, make her stand out more as a cgi character than she would otherwise (MCU's Hulk-green is especially muted by comparison). I do think it's easier to suspend the disbelief with Hulk for reasons mentioned (such as skin texture and hours of work done on him by now). I also think people saying this is ps2 cgi need to go boot a ps2 tho.

@SharkUsingaComputer

Жыл бұрын

id say at WORST shes a ps3 character in an animated cutscene, which is far from a bad thing. i agree her skin tone is very saturated compared to man hulk that likens her to shrek unfortunately. i wish they'd be more willing to stretch her proportions-- like they said, hulk's face is a square-- than just making a green-toned tall lady even if she is comic accurate

@highdefinition450

Жыл бұрын

Yea they exaggerate to make a point lol

@artlly_

Жыл бұрын

I also think they should have amped up how muscular she is, she looks disproportionate with large hands and barely any muscle while on hulk although his hands are big they work because his arms are also muscular.

@StAlchemyst

Жыл бұрын

There is NOTHING controversial about the She-Hulk CGI being called bad. the controversy comes for idiot copium inhalers injecting political motives into those saying so. Also those saying "looks like PS2 graphics" don't LITERALLY mean "looks like PS2 graphics." It's called a HYPERBOLIC STATEMENT. Look it up.

@simplewalter8266

Жыл бұрын

tbf its more like ps4 gta 5 cutscene cgi

6:29 "What is triggering their minds [...]?" Easy: Her facial animation is too smoth. You know perfectly well that this shot should've been stacked with "jittery" micro expressions, yet it was rather stiff and rubbery, too + the green/s is/are debatable = uncanney valley. Could've worked, didn't work. Missed by a few inches.

@spenser9908

Жыл бұрын

They're too busy trying to politicise the situation and insinuate those who don't like it are sexists, so of course they're gonna land on the side of making excuses for this shit, when they never do this for anything else.

@buffnipz

Жыл бұрын

@@spenser9908 Nah I think it's more that they're close with so many people in the industry that they lean toward defending it, rather than some sjw agenda like you seem to assume. I did think Sam was super defensive about it though, at least Wren points out and questions what it is that people are noticing

@chorals4856

Жыл бұрын

@@spenser9908 Try not to make everything needlessly political challenge (IMPOSSIBLE!!!)

@spenser9908

Жыл бұрын

@@chorals4856 Tell that to these three goons lol.

@cautemoc4624

Жыл бұрын

@@buffnipz Sam went straight off the deep end into telling people they aren't allowed to ... like... express how they feel about things. Dude needs to get a grip.

She hulk looks like a filter made on Instagram, where the tracking of the actual face is just a split second delayed. Like, as long as she’s still it’s okay. But yes the CC make a good point in the blurring with compression. Plus it’s probably not complete yet, so she’s only 3/4 baked? It’ll likely be better by the time the show releases.

@LETSPLAYmartin

Жыл бұрын

She looks flawless in the first episode. There wasn't a single moment that took me out of it.

@enlosluceros7236

Жыл бұрын

It probably is an Instagram filter lol

@biggooba6706

Жыл бұрын

That one guy cant tell the she hulk is cgi jesus fucking christ there is no way these idiots are actual artists in any was shape of form LMAO

@veryadultlike8371

Жыл бұрын

to be fair its a tv show. yell me one tv show with good cgi?

@NuggetGX

Жыл бұрын

@@veryadultlike8371 morbius tv show

I didn't see the She-hulk trailer and had no priors on whatever controversy it drummed up. But the thing I IMMEDIATELY noticed in that one shot of her looking over her shoulder is that her clothes look so fake. Her suit and shirt look like they are made of rubber, and they don't move realistically as she turns which gives such a bizarre look. I don't think the character looks that bad actually.

@brabhamF1

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more the fact that sometimes her skin colour is too saturated. IMO the ebst thing they did to Hulk was make him a bit more olive green, take out a little saturation, that made him instantly look 10x better. It just makes her look like a toy made our of rubber and plastic. It makes the shine look fake. The Ruffalo Hulk doesn't have that anymore, he is much more yellowish in his complexion. I think the best looking shots are the one where she is in the restaurant lighting because they randomly took out a lot of the green, looks much better.

@NecroMorrius

Жыл бұрын

@@brabhamF1 That specific shot is more of an animation issue, her swivels her head unnaturally while her eyes move a little oddly. It's weird that they picked this shot for the trailer.

@montazownianr1

Жыл бұрын

Stupid feminist anti men story is even worst than shitty CGI. Why? Look at Critical Drinker video about this.

@sun_beams

Жыл бұрын

I would bet that if that shot is in the show, and wasn't just made for the trailer, the clothes will be simulated. Got to remember that for trailers they are showing you parts of the show months in advance. Specifically the VFX which are some of the most time intensive things. They are cutting whatever corners they can to get it out for the trailer and have it presentable. The final product will probably have simulated clothes and more polished animation.

@Goldenkitten1

Жыл бұрын

@@sun_beams You're correct but honestly I've never understood that business practice. Of course you need to get the name out there and start generating hype, but if you release it TOO soon you run the risk of massive fan backlash (which is exactly what happened). In the days of early CG making that mistake was understandable but how executives, particularly at a company like Disney and Marvel Studios who have been at the forefront of VFX for the last decade still push out an unfinished trailer and don't know it's going to do more harm than good is beyond me.

All the She-Hulk CGI shots looks great when they are frozen yes... when in motion it tickles the uncanny valley way too much. It's genuinely hard to watch for me specially next to Hulk's expressions and the movement of the character overall that even with it's flaws looks absolutely perfect in comparison.

@blakegandalf8753

Жыл бұрын

true the motion is almost jerky however I think the thing that makes it fall into the uncanny valley is we are used to seeing hulk who is kind of a scaled up body builder, where she hulk (I hope they do her well but idk the trailer hasn't hooked me) is still the same body type just kinda taller but has strength similar to the hulk and is supposed to be more acrobatic in a way. pretty much saying where hulk kinda seems normalish to us from years of seeing him and the way he is designed(not just a taller banner) shehulk might just be the lack of change (other than green)

@adamwellman7865

Жыл бұрын

I feel that disney has not given the CGI artist enough time to prefect the effects.

@blakegandalf8753

Жыл бұрын

@@adamwellman7865 yeah probably since trailer cgi is unfinished

@grailw9221

Жыл бұрын

@@adamwellman7865 there's also the whole thing about the cg being pointless. what exactly can you with the cg that you can't just do with giving the actor makeup, and enlarging her in editing. it cost a fraction of the budget, and not be as jarring, or uncanny. it's like the only reason they made her cg was just to flex about how big the budget is.

@oscarmeldgaard5407

Жыл бұрын

Yeah they did so much terrible animation

I'm so happy they talked about Orphan Black. It's SUCH a good show and you 100% forget that Tatiana plays practically 90% of the characters. She's just amazing in that show and I remember the fandom praising the body double because she did as much work as Tatiana on the show to make it turn out so great. Kinda wanna rewatch the show, it's amazing.

Out of all the LDR episodes Jibaro was the one I kept forgetting it was CGI - I even looked the episode up afterwards to double check. Such an incredible show, a true celebration of art

@tgi3d881

11 ай бұрын

There are a few points where the focus is inconsistent. I remember a few of the horses are crisp renders and everything else is out of focus. Which means they probably overlayed a horse render on images. It's impressive, but I was taken out of it a few times. When surroundings were too stiff

I am happy to see more Love Death and Robots. Please do more when you can!

@fassstudio9309

Жыл бұрын

you're a frikkin legend bro!

@BakersTuts

Жыл бұрын

@@fassstudio9309 you too 😎

@kevinkorenke3569

Жыл бұрын

The miniature zombie Apocalypse episode was my favorite this year. I would love to see them do an episode about how they were able to tell a story in that medium.

@RaceOplasmaz

Жыл бұрын

I really don’t want them reviewing it. With each episode having its own art style none are going to be perfect. That’s what makes the series unique. It would be a damn shame having these 3 hating on every episode nit picking on issues while the series is it’s own being. React to trash marvel or dc content. You don’t need to tear apart a series with a such a unique animation.

@HansenEdits

Жыл бұрын

@@BakersTuts my after effects hero :o

The episode Bad Travelling from the most recent volume of Love, Death, and Robots is stunningly beautiful. It verges on photorealism while also having elements of stylization as you referenced in this video, with their characters all being modeled to have elements of caricatures.

@Arkane5296

Жыл бұрын

That’s my favorite episode

@augustprahl9575

Жыл бұрын

100%

@daffyduck9562

Жыл бұрын

Honestly yeah its one of my favorites

@NoNo-fe8kn

Жыл бұрын

Top 3 episode for sure

@tobias064

Жыл бұрын

Best episode from all seasons to me.

The best CGI I’ve ever seen is the Love Death and Robots episode: Beyond the Aquila rift When I first watched the episode it was really hard to tell if it was animation or not until later in the episode with subtle tells (like hair) and other characters. But the main character is done so well it’s almost scary.

@horseheadproductions7038

Жыл бұрын

For me, Life Hutch was even more insane. It looked totally real to me from start to finish, even though its all CG (with the exception of MBJ's face).

@effortlesslytalented

Жыл бұрын

@@horseheadproductions7038 it was incredible fr

The art design of Jibaro was absolutely terrifying to me

@Justobservethings

Жыл бұрын

Seriously, it was.

@trainer_red7645

Жыл бұрын

You mean in a good way?

It’s the tone of green that stands out to me. Idk if it’s comic book accurate or not, but I know that Hulks tone fits better and looks more realistic

She hulks movement is just scuffed. If you freeze frame any of the shots that look bad, the cg is awesome. It's rubbery movement of the face, the fluidity of her body movement, and her hair bounces with every damn action she takes.

@papichulo-bh5vz

Жыл бұрын

what do you want them to do they on a tv budget

@spectrobit5554

Жыл бұрын

@@papichulo-bh5vz Work around their own budget to not create awkward and permanently dated scenes.

@HyperFreak89

Жыл бұрын

Its literally the animation, nothing else

@TwoTonTaft

Жыл бұрын

This! this is what I wa thinking!

@FeliX-TobiYahs-C

Жыл бұрын

@@papichulo-bh5vz how does cgi from 20yrs ago look better in hulk 2003? how does cgi from jurassic park look better?

15:35 it's called looking at the shot so much you're not seeing it anymore cause u're so sick of it 😂

Sounds like they might have a friend who worked on she hulk or something lmao

"The very pulse of the machine" and "Bad Traveling" are some good animation and cgi classics. Honestly I think LDR can have two episodes one for CGI reactions and one with Animators react. A nice 2 part series package. Also an indepth animation reaction for "Jibaro" and "The witness" stylized animation would be amazing.

@Call_Upon_YAH

Жыл бұрын

Hey! Did you know God is three in one!? The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit! Bless him! Jesus died for our sins, rose from the dead, and gives salvation to everyone who has faith in him! True faith in Jesus will have you bear good fruit and *drastically* change for the better! Have a blessed day, everyone!! ❤

@Call_Upon_YAH

Жыл бұрын

Your worries (yes, anxiety), depression, suicidal thoughts, EVERYTHING will melt away and be NO MORE when you lean on God and put your trust in him! When I have physical pain, I literally pray and the Lord quells it, that I am healed!! Know that there is power in the name Jesus Christ! His name casts out demons and heals! People are bothered by his name. The world hates the truth and wants to continue living sinfully! God's children are set apart (holy) and righteous.

@obsydian_k

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely they should do both!

@domi7411

Жыл бұрын

I think they already covered the witness before

@LordJagd

Жыл бұрын

It would make a lot of sense, the entire series of VFX so they could do three eps on it if they wanted to.

6:41 As a content creator I always tell people this. KZread compresses the hell outta videos with their janky bitrates. In order to bypass this the video would have to be uploaded in 4 to 8k. Which is what movie companies need to start doing so people can see trailers in their truest fidelity.

@ethanhenrichs5677

Жыл бұрын

Hey, it's Random Black Gamer!😀

@NicCrimson

Жыл бұрын

Is it not in 4K? that's just amazes me.

@tylersmith9868

Жыл бұрын

Random black gamer wow what a trash name lmfao

@RandomBlackGamer

Жыл бұрын

@The Bear lies. They uploaded the trailer in 1080p on KZread which should be a cardinal sin. They uploaded in 4K on Disney Plus afterwards. And hardly anyone watched because they had already watched it on KZread.

@VampireJoe

Жыл бұрын

I don't know why Disney didn't post 4k version of the trailer on KZread, but that obviously is a huge mistake on marketing perspective.

I think the one in shorts is a marvel fan boy

Some of the issues with She-Hulk are the rough green screen too. That office shot looks like a bad Photoshop cut-out.

@biggooba6706

Жыл бұрын

no its just utter dogshit completly

@seanhillery1231

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, that’s what I said. And these “experts” couldn’t seem to point that out because they were too busy figuring out what people really mean when they said they hate the CGI 🤦🏼‍♀️

@aolson1111

10 ай бұрын

@@seanhillery1231 It's not a green screen, so I think you might just be a moron.

"If you don't like the CGI, keep it to yourselves", one a show that consists of talking about how GOOD and BAD some CGI is.

@Sp33dGames

Жыл бұрын

yeah, that was an L take

@queueue_

Жыл бұрын

@@Sp33dGames I've noticed that Sam is responsible for many of the L takes that cone out of Corridor

@sergeantbear

Жыл бұрын

Well, they're usually praising or critiquing the vfx, because they're vfx artists. People online just tend to complain about it

@x340x

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeantbear just because you complain online doesnt mean you cant be vfx artist at the same time too ;)

@92brunod

Жыл бұрын

@@sergeantbear And just because you aren't a vfx artist doesn't mean you can't share your opinion on something that you like or dislike.

Secret War from Love, Death and Robots Volume 1 gets my vote!

@Willqer

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it dead-animal-bits-man himself?

@GeminiWoods

Жыл бұрын

That whole series is nuts and fantastic.

@j.c.6573

Жыл бұрын

My favorite episode!

@charleslaviolette6363

Жыл бұрын

Yess!!

@weakw1ll

Жыл бұрын

🚬🐜 good show my firend telled me to watch it and i did and it was a good show that my friemd telled me to watch

6:02 If I want to voice my opinion of something, I'm going to voice my opinion on it, I'm not going to stay quiet just because you think it's good. This is literally a show about *BAD CGI* you can't tell me not to talk about bad cgi

@MrSolPow

Жыл бұрын

Just soyboy...

@sane-indxultra7690

Жыл бұрын

He literally has no self awareness

@hunter5822

Жыл бұрын

I really hope he sees all the criticism against him specifically. Hope it hits him hard and learns from his hypocrisy.... instead of doing the usual California thing of burying ones head in the sand until the problem goes away or you can point fingers somewhere else.

@patrickmahomes3616

Жыл бұрын

@@hunter5822 There's no reason for Sam to care about a few Twitter girls complaining about their successful KZread channel(s). Meanwhile, you can go back to screaming into your pillow, doing absolutely nothing. Seethe.

@hunter5822

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickmahomes3616 there sure as hell is a reason, he’s part of a KZread channel that specifically deals with this exact topic and improving on the shitty CGI... If they’re incapable of seeing what’s wrong with it and why people dislike a job done then he shouldn’t be doing the Job he has. You can’t improve what you refuse to see. The reason people are ticked off at his take is the same reason you puny mind is incapable of understanding why people dislike the shows take on she-hulk. Hypocrisy. “mY OpINiON iS tHE onLY VaLiD OnE!”

For all of LDR they were hyper fixated on how real it looks, and not the 1000 astounding things they did with CGI. And it does look very real, stunningly, the stylization is on purpose of course, however it’s definitely UE5 or something brand new. We never have seen graphics this “Real” looking up until very very recent times. So to knit pick on that is insane.

@tgi3d881

11 ай бұрын

Well their point is that it's not real and they looked for the signs of it. It's not them trying to devalue it or criticize. It's just them spotting details that are telling of CGI. The imitation of camera focus is inconsistent. A few parts will have a rendered character in clear detail while everything is out of focus. Kind of similar to when movies green screen an actor in an environment. You can tell a rendered object is just overlayed on an already rendered image. I remember it happening with the horses quite a bit. I am curious what kind of render farm they had setup to make that short

The main body double for Tatiana was a student of mine from the University of Toronto Mississauga. We chatted about how this was done and how they worked together, but not in detail due to time. You are mostly right about the fact that they filmed the same scene a minimum of twice, swapping actors. Kathryn had to mimic Tatiana down to the minutest details that only people like you folks might notice. They became very good friends, and got to "feel" how each other moves. She did get to be a character later in the series that wasn't Tatiana.

@captainflowers748

Жыл бұрын

Hmmm

@TallicaMan1986

Жыл бұрын

oh thats really cool they made her a character.

@SestraHulk

Жыл бұрын

That's so cool that you got to meet Kathryn! She's amazing and incredibly underappreciated. I love all the interviews and panels where Tatiana praises her and talks about how much they collaborated together and about how much Kathryn brought to these characters that she was then able to use and play off of. They have such a great friendship!

I think more of the problem with she-hulk is in the actual design and in the choices they made about how to present her. Yes, the compression and funniness exaggerate it, but the color of green they went with, the exaggerated beauty, the hairstyle and length, etc. all kind of make her look like a sim and like they still wanted her to be pretty.

@GoddoDoggo

Жыл бұрын

Because she's supposed to still look pretty. Why does everyone think She-Hulk is just supposed to be "Hulk but female," like becoming "hot" and confident wasn't a part of her character arc in the comics.

@zohairjafar383

Жыл бұрын

@@GoddoDoggo can you link some comics to where the arc is about her being hot and confident? I remember her confidence increases and she doesnt look like the hulk for sure but i dont remember her becoming hot and loving being hot the confidence is more the focal point. The trailer just highlights the hot part of it mostly.

@realitynightmare

Жыл бұрын

It needs a little more light interacting with the skin and hair. It's currently as if her inner hair layer is made from the blackest Black absorbing every spectrum of light. Possibly again due to compression.

@Fantallana

Жыл бұрын

@@GoddoDoggo trying to make her pretty I’d holding back the character, so they should drop that. Little anti-sjw manlets will get triggered about u just like they do when she’s big in the comics. But they’ve never actually been true fans who cared about good character design and storytelling.

@mzaite

Жыл бұрын

@@zohairjafar383 It's basically all of them, she get's "Homina-homina-hominaed" by at least one rando in a crowd like EVERY issue that involves a crowd. And she definitely capitalizes on that multiple times with multiple avengers and other Superheros. Basically crack open Marvel Unlimited and look at almost everything from after the original "Savage She-Hulk" on. Although "Sensational She-Hulk" may be too trying too hard to be Doom Patrol to be worth including.

This video shows us that you can work at certain area of work, you can even appear on a highly popular youtube video, and still not be an expert (regardless if it says so in the video...)

Tbh I feel like it doesn't matter if it's technically very good, if lots of people say that a CGI effect looks bad then it has failed at its job and does look bad. People don't need a technical run down to justify why they do or don't like looking at something

@mr21_

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeah sure, like there is 0% politics in the hating of She Hulk right? hahahahahahaha

Definitely Bad Traveling as an LDR episode to review. That short was spectacular not only in it’s storytelling but also in it’s visual language.

@ethanw7416

Жыл бұрын

That was an awesome episode

@Real_Nilam

Жыл бұрын

Bad Traveleling is a masterpiece, I'm still shocked by the quality of style, CGI, animation & storytelling

@al.9707

Жыл бұрын

One of my fav so far, they also achieved a good balance between the realistic and the stylized... such a cool episode!

Jibaro was just jaw dropping for me, not just for the visual but also the body movements. As a dancer, seeing those moves in animation makes me want to see more of this in future works.

@athilalthaf6222

Жыл бұрын

They used dancers for some motion capture or something of that sort.

@artnull13

Жыл бұрын

@@athilalthaf6222 no they didn’t use motion capture at all. This was explained in the Jibaro behind the scenes video. They used dancers for reference but it all done manually.

@athilalthaf6222

Жыл бұрын

@@artnull13 thanks for pointing it out. ❤️

@reaperofburgers

Жыл бұрын

I wanted to enjoy that episode so much, but I just couldn't 😔

@Sad_kid_in_a_clown_outfit

Жыл бұрын

@@reaperofburgers It's definitely a hit or miss type of episode. For me, it looks stunning for the same reasons the corridor crew pointed out, but the facial animations as well as some of the movement didn't really hit the same way. But it is still a pretty good episode compared to the rest of the season.

One of my more fundamental rules, guidelines, is... if you don't have the budget to do something fully... you can replace budget with style... especially if you are consistent... the audience can see the lack of budget... but won't care if the style is consistent... it's about story telling... you can do it for real or you can do it with style... either is acceptable... you can even mix them... and not loose the audience... The only way you loose the audience is if you have no story...

@hunter5822

Жыл бұрын

And that’s what I think the crux of that show really comes down to.... terrible story telling. The whole thing feels like a cop out and a cheaply made “meh, I guess we can do that” last minute kinda thing.

"You don't have to tell people it's bad, they'll make their mind up to it" Well the thing is that, replace the word "bad" with "good" and the sentence still works

Love, Death + Robots - Season 1 - Sonnie's Edge. How did they manage to generate such a sustained feeling of tension and a dark sense of foreboding with full CG characters? I often find myself losing the ability to maintain the suspension of disbelief with animation. You're channel is fantastic. Never miss a new episode.

@KeyToSaraBe

Жыл бұрын

AGREE SUCH A GOOD EPISODE!

@LuisSierra42

Жыл бұрын

And Beyond the Aquila Rift. How did they manage to mess up everybody who saw it

@aaronarmstrong153

Жыл бұрын

This has been my favorite ep through the show and I would love to see a breakdown of it!!

@younghex9577

Жыл бұрын

Great episode

I think the main issue with the She-Hulk trailer, besides the smoothing, is the green skin itself. It's a BIT too vibrant, and it's way too uniform! Real skin is splotchy and comes in tons of different shades. She has the same color all over! And I'm willing to bet the vibrancy was boosted by whoever put the trailer together, and the uniformity is a result of unfinished CGI. I'm sure it'll look great on release!

@mrcraggle

Жыл бұрын

I think that's the issue and it's what they've discussed before. Skin isn't just 1 uniform colour or texture. Skin can be shiny in some spots, matte in others, dry, oily etc. We see none of that on her. It's too flawless. The Marvel movies are full of characters with all sorts of colour skin that don't stand out but for She Hulk it does.

@spideyguy3315

Жыл бұрын

It's just something abt her appearance just seems very off putting and makes her a bit more deepfake. And it also seems like Hulk looks more realistic than the main protagonist herself.

@jasonblalock4429

Жыл бұрын

Personally, the hair is what's really off for me. I can accept that a mutated green giantess may have a different skin tone\texture from most people, but her hair looks like plastic in some of those shots. Or like she's used 1980s levels of hairspray. OTOH, hair is probably one of the last elements to get nailed down, so I think they can fix the VFX.

@lampad4549

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonblalock4429 you sound like a snowflake with that level of sensitivity.

@armpit_farts7327

Жыл бұрын

Im colorblind so it works for me lololol. Still dont want to see it and thats not trying to dunk like Sam was mentioning(which I agree with actually), just not my kinda movie personally.

Super happy you guys finally did Orphan Black! :D Such a great show, and Tatiana Maslany is just amazing!

The foot replacement shot was roughhhhhhh once you slowed it down, and then I couldn't unsee it. At this point I have to think that show doesn't have cast shadows anywhere in the episodes.

for the entirely dedicated love, death and robots episode, I think you should review the "bad travelling" episode. Also you guys are so cool, keep it up!

When I first saw the She Hulk trailer I had no problems with the CGI, but it was a few moments of her face falling into the uncanny valley which evoked a strong reaction so I remembered those moments the most out of all other shots in the trailer. Every time you showed the shot of her reacting to her phone I physically cringed and had to look away.

@InsertNameHereCO

Жыл бұрын

I have a problem with how bad it is for She Hulk. Is because marvel has all the money and SKILLL to make top tier CGI but they don't. Because they've gotten very lazy. I get Corridor is friends with the studios that work with Marvel. But if I'm getting paid multi millions my friends better not hesitate to tell me if I could do better.

@chaos.corner

Жыл бұрын

@@InsertNameHereCO I don't know how much it's being lazy or how much they're being stretched thin. Disney is pushing a lot of stuff out very quickly to support their streaming service and it's not just the CG that's suffering.

@InsertNameHereCO

Жыл бұрын

@@chaos.corner I use lazy very loosely lol. But you get my point though right. The Boys has a budget of $11 million per episode($88 million total for the season) and has some pretty good CGI for that level. Doctor Strange 2 had a budget of $200 million and a lot of parts had some "meh" CGI(don't even get me started on the Gargantos fight🤢). Every marvel TV show has a budget of $25 million per episode...they shouldn't be making iffy looking CGI with those kinds of budgets.

@KhaosKontroller

Жыл бұрын

@@InsertNameHereCO It's none of that. Doing a normal human face entirely with CGI is never going to look convincing. It'll always be uncanny. They should've just gone the body double route.

@InsertNameHereCO

Жыл бұрын

@@KhaosKontroller fully agree with you on that as well. But I'm personally can't let them of the hook. Because like we just seen in this video lol. Compare any of the faces in Love Death and Robots, they all will look better than She Hulk. That's probably with 5x less of a budget too.

4:48 ^this shot looks incredible ^ While showing the creepiest hand holding a glass in whole CGI record

You guys are usually really consistent with calling out bad cgi.

@Games-bw5ee

Жыл бұрын

When they're being honest that is. Unlike here.

@ThanatoselNyx

Жыл бұрын

Seems consistent here too, so maybe your bias is what has changed.

@robertb9480

Жыл бұрын

@@ThanatoselNyx I don't understand what bias has to do with rushed poorly produced cgi?

about Orphan Black- I remember thinking when I watched the show that despite having not the biggest budget for VFX, they actually did pretty good job with the effects but I wouldn't be possible without great performance of the main actress. If I remember correctly, she got some awards for playing that many characters- and she deserves it. Awesome acting, good tv show.

@emareaf

Жыл бұрын

The scenes of her playing one of her characters playing another one of her characters are brilliant. Such a precise control of personality that it really sells one playing the other.

@SestraHulk

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, she got 1 Best Lead Actress Emmy (3 nominations in total), 2 Critic's Choice Awards, 5 Canadian Screen Awards and a Golden Globe nomination for her work on this show (and a bunch of other awards). She's incredible! And I believe the show had a budget of about 2 million per episode. It's amazing what they were able to accomplish with that!

@Cosmitzian

Жыл бұрын

And i was sad that she didn't get the Rebel One casting, she absolutely deserves high profile roles. And she gets She Hulked.. which is fine.. but such a waste for her.

@maximusprime3459

Жыл бұрын

Tatiana being an incredible actress really made that show much better for sure. Can't wait for She Hulk.

Guys the problem with She-Hulk isn't that the effects are bad. There are two main problems I have with the visuals: 1) unlike Bruce her proportions are pretty normal, she's just tall. This leaves me feeling like she trips into the uncanny valley pretty often because they're never going to get her photo real, but nothing about her proportions reads as exaggerated enough to keep her from feeling like she's supposed to look photo real even when they're not going for it to begin with. 2) there are a number of shots in that trailer where the animation and/or how she interacts with other things in the scene isn't necessarily bad but does feel slightly unnatural. Though really those two problems I have with it come from one underlying issue: her design isn't very good. In terms of her proportions she just looks like a tall green woman who's kind of fit. She doesn't feel like a She-Hulk. In terms of proportions she's smaller than a lot of actual women bodybuilders out there. She doesn't feel like a character that's better rendered in CG than just getting a tall bodybuilder and engaging in some LotR style trickery to make her look even bigger and use CG when it's actually necessary. And part of the reason this is a problem is because Disney didn't have the balls to let the artists make her more muscular, even though they wanted to and it would have helped keep her more stylized so that not looking photo real wasn't a handicap anymore. The issue was never a case of people just wanting to trash things or "CGI bad," but non-artists kind of struggle to articulate that stuff because they don't know what they're looking at. They just know it feels off to them. And because of her design she frequently feels very off in that trailer. Hopefully it's better in the final episodes.

@gonzalovittori661

Жыл бұрын

Didn't the same happen with Luisa from Encanto? They almost didn't make her as buff?

@blinded6502

Жыл бұрын

I think it's the camera work and other stylistic elements of how the shots were done. They made it look like a bland sitcom, rather than a superhero movie.

@AWSVids

Жыл бұрын

@@gonzalovittori661 Yeah, and I think they had her more buff in the early concepts and then reached a middle ground. But with She-Hulk, they went all the way to "Just make her conventionally sexy, damnit!"

@MatthewCSnow

Жыл бұрын

Granted, I seen a lot comments about the CGI. Most likely some trolls and Marvel haters mixed in there, but there is a fair amount that were vocal about the CGI

@BasicBodThor

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say that the issue was "never" a case of people wanting to trash things...There is for sure a population of people that fall squarely into that description

On she hulk I think it’s that they always had to composite out her hair, I can tell on certain frames, it keeps reminding you that it’s an effect

6:10 that's the whole premise of this show tho

jibaro is one of my favorite 3d animated short films ive ever seen. its like nothing ive ever seen and its just such an cool art style. i dont think the people are supposed to be made realistic at all and it makes it so much more interesting looking, its beautiful af

@i_so_late

Жыл бұрын

If you listen to how they introduce it, I guess tons of people were telling them "this looks perfectly realistic" and it threw them off and took a moment for them to realize it's clearly not intended to look perfectly realistic

@basslightyeah

Жыл бұрын

My theory is that the VFX artists on Jibaro deliberately created an uncanny valley effect. Not just the animation, also the lighting. The scene where the Knight sleeps at night has a "realistic" flashlight type of lighting which doesn't make any sense "in-universe". It's so cool to see what can be accomplished if uncanney valley isn't accidental.

@DiskiDomain

Жыл бұрын

Yeah its mind blowing....dude in this video sounds like a hater. I don't think they were trying to make it look real, but the style is way and far ahead of most stuff I've seen

@k2a2l2

Жыл бұрын

@@basslightyeah yeah i 100% it was intentional, cant wait to see what else they make in the future

@biggooba6706

Жыл бұрын

That one guy cant tell the she hulk is cgi jesus fucking christ there is no way these idiots are actual artists in any was shape of form LMAO

My personal feeling on the one shot where she's looking back while walking is the green is just a tad too saturated compared to the other shots. It's like the original Hulk movie, the green is a bit too strong and so she seems off.

@okruszeklukeya2806

Жыл бұрын

also look at her suit in this shot, it looks like it's taken out from the sims 4

Thank you for reviewing orphan black!! it’s an AMAZING show I’m so happy!!

Hello everyone! I was the Qtake operator on The Pentaverate, so I’m happy to take anyone through the on set VFX process for the comps and multiple character scenes that we did on the show.

@Jack_Arbor

Жыл бұрын

Qtake

@lakedistrict2024

Жыл бұрын

@@Jack_Arbor Qtake is an on set video playback system that also handles all comps, split screens, CG and 3D pre vis, along with cloud streaming.

From what I'm seeing the She-Hulk effects look decent enough- it's the movement that ruins it. The Hulk is still mocapped to an extent from a real actor, which lends to much more natural and fluid motion, meanwhile fully rendered and animated She-Hulk feels very video game-y. Her movement feels stiff, her pauses are too dramatic and overall it feels more like a blend of scenes than a big long natural moveset.

@Churbas

Жыл бұрын

She-hulk isn't fully animated, She's mo-capped off the actor just like regular flavor hulk, and they do the mocap on-set at the same time as her performance. The Actor playing Nikki, Ginger Gonzaga, even posted photos of her on set wearing the mocap suit with the "Shulkie" head she's wearing on top so the other actors have the correct eyeline.

@PHIplaytesting

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you about it being the movement. Even if it *is* mocapped, it doesn't look great. It looks stiff and weirdly smoothed. Mocap still isn't a silver bullet, unfortunately.

@dannymccook

Жыл бұрын

I mean, you’re just literally wrong, she’s mocapped from the actress, not fully animated.

@benjaminzarkhin1293

Жыл бұрын

@@dannymccook Then why does her movement look so stiff and artificial?

@benjaminzarkhin1293

Жыл бұрын

@@Churbas Why does it still look awkward as a result?

I haven’t seen the She Hulk trailer, but from what you guys have shown I think it is the movement of the character. The smoothness is “problematic” sure, but you guys explained that topic perfectly. However the animation/movements and some of the color/contrast seems to be possible “real” problem.

@topogigio7031

Жыл бұрын

My gripe is that they could've just painted Ronda Rousey green and she would've made for a bigger, more muscular and more realistically green performance

@cjspyker

Жыл бұрын

@@topogigio7031 there are no big women that are good actors that can carry a whole TV show

@thebigragu9952

Жыл бұрын

@@cjspyker Rousey is carrying the WWE’s tv show rn.

@BIGBIRD208

Жыл бұрын

You nailed it! It’s almost like when you add a smooth keyframe effect to end like a motion blurred text or something but on every movement.

@HappyCynic

Жыл бұрын

@@cjspyker Disney sacked the only one who could have done it.

Did he really just preach that we shouldn't say which CGI is good or bad and people can make up their own mind when they have an entire Channel centered around it?

Thanks for getting me into Orphan Black, that show is amazing. Thankfully when I started watching it, I completely forgot you guys were discussing the fight scene too, so I've got no spoilers, lol

Love death and robots episode. The three robots, sonnies Edge, the secret war, shape shifters, automated customer service, snow in the desert, all through the house, masons rat, night of the mini dead, bad traveling. Tho I wish I could see them all

My problem with the She Hulk cg, is that the movements look almost...too fluid? That, and the skin is like, TOO green? Like, it almost feels like they ripped a character from a slightly more cartoony looking cgi movie, and tossed her into this real life world and backdrop. And she just doesn't fit in. Even Hulk himself has a more natural looking faded green. Where as She Hulk is just a straight up cartoony green. Might also be down to there not being a lot of variation in her skin tone. I know she's a bright green comic book character, but real skin tone isn't just one color. It's a whole bunch of colors. Let's take a lighter skin face for instance. Might have that general peachy skin tone, but then you might see a bit of red around the checks and nose, some almost grey/blue around the eyes. Then add in the way the sun shines slightly through the skin, adding brighter reds here and there and stuff. Meanwhile She Hulk just looks...green. like Kermit the Frog green. No taking into account the blood under her skin subtly changing it's hue or anything. She just looks like a fake cgi character. Even when they do a great job of making her feel real, it still feels off.

@anna_in_aotearoa3166

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, agreed - for me it was probably more the slightly weird movement of the body (esp in the "superhuman" movement sections), like physics not quite working properly....? The earlier models of the He-Hulk (? is that the correct nomenclature? 😆) seem to behave similarly, with the newer ones seeming to have better physics simulation - maybe work on the new female version of the model could improve similarly over time as it's reiterated? And as you note, the level of opaqueness/saturation of the green skin also seemed to come and go between shots too, ouch. I don't know how much CGI resource is allocated to these types of shows, so perhaps various scenes end up having differing levels of time & staffing available, depending on where they fall within the show's season...?

@supermikitus

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. It seems like she's moving in a diferent gravity than ours, her body and movement don't seem as heavy as they should be. And I completely disagree with the coment Wren made abou womens faces being smoother. We also have facial hair, wrinkles, expression lines, different shades of our skin tone... so instead of making her look like a smooth perfect Barbie they could have made her more human.

@Diree

Жыл бұрын

@@supermikitus Right? It's like poor Wren has never seen a woman's face up close :( But he is right that stubble and beards just add so much detail ... things you'll likely not end up seeing from just a meter or two away... however the shots in the trailer were very close to her face.

@sbrown23c

Жыл бұрын

@@supermikitus But that's the point he made. Obv women don't have perfectly smooth faces, but men commonly have more and larger wrinkles, stubble, etc. In the Disney+ version you can clearly see much more detail on her face. The YT compression removed a lot of the detail finer detail from her face whereas on his face, the larger details were still present because large wrinkles and large areas of stubble aren't wiped out by compression. They didn't just make a Barbie, it's the crappy video compression from KZread.

Absolutely love ld&r with everything in me. Such a brilliant show, the concept for having a different art style in each episode was so fresh to me. I am very partial to a good animated show.

I think it's tough to see Marvel put so much time and effort into something like Infinity Wars Thanos then turn around and (seemingly) phone in the work on She Hulk. That said, seeing the KZread / Disney Plus side by side comparison did help ease my concerns. I just want them to give as much love to Jennifer Walters as they do their other characters, cus she deserves it

As one of the VFX artists who worked on the leg shot, it’s quite an interesting story actually I have to talk about that one. Geoff Scott the VFX supervisor came up with this. We did one shot where her leg was in the left position, so it would be behind the body, then we did a second shot where we chopped off her leg and placed it carefully to where it could be crawled over as seen in the shot. Really crazy stuff, luckily she got the leg reattached a couple hours after! Now you know how it was done!

Actually the first time I'm seeing the She Hulk footage, and I gotta say, I think it could look better too. For a few reasons; - Her skin is too saturated, even compared to Bruce. I think it should match his a bit closer maybe? - There's little to no subsurface scattering on the skin and hair. On that note... the lighting all together seems off. - The animations feel animated and too loose and not very realistic. - I also think her hair looks way to stiff and it being the shade of green it is, makes it "feel" wrong too. I realize there's a good chance some of these were choices made to keep her in line with the comics. However, I think it only served to make the effects look "worse".

@hpfred

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I have the very same points as on why I think it doesn't look good. It was weird how they kind of brushed off the criticism as nitpicking (or as if trashing the modelling, and animation job as a whole, and not the fine tuning that shows in the final product). The subsurface scattering and overall way the light looks on her is off imo, besides the lack of detail. The lack of detailing they brushed off as KZread compression fault, but I don't think that's the full picture, because when Disney released promotional pictures that looked better, comparing both, the detailing shown doesn't look like the kind that gets crunched off on KZread's compression (aka it looked more like unfinished shots). And it's weird how they didn't mention lighting at all since it's one of the things they talk the most when referring to good CG, specially CG creatures. When I was trying to figure out why it didn't look right to me, one of the impressions I got was that the shots were badly lit in general, and not just the virtual light (which is weird since I assume a show this heavy on CG is a lot more reliant on the VFX supervisor), with shots like the one with the sundress where everything looks very plain, without a distinguishable place where the light comes and therefore no big shadows reinforcing the details (which makes everything look more smooth and fake).

@KAKATCam

Жыл бұрын

Even then Marvel does usually finish some things of last minute

@Stratosarge

Жыл бұрын

I would add the "stiff upper lip" into these points. That's what troubles me the most is that her mouth expressions are stiff and "wrong". Compared to Hulk and Thanos the Shehulk seems quite a bit less polished. Still great. Just less polished than the other great CGI characters we've seen from Marvel Studios.

@lavans5721

Жыл бұрын

I'm mad they messed up my favorite female superhero :(

@fnordiumendures138

Жыл бұрын

Her movement seems completely stiff. In the comics she lounge around and strikes all kinds of poses, here It's like she's wearing a corset.

Even after what you said, the She Hulk trailer looks bad in a worse than uncanny way. What I mean is it is the CGI looks like uncanny uncanny CGI.

Not suprised that the vfx people are leaving marvel at this point they’re not getting their work pay

On the topic of VFX mistakes in shots that were missed, there is in fact a scene from the first hellboy movie where hellboy has his final fight with kroenen, just before the giant cog crushes kroenen, hellboy looks like he does a T-pose due to a mistake in the rotoscope in one of the frames and returns back to normal in the next frame. Its pretty neat and weird if you catch it.

@Engitainment

Жыл бұрын

I have to go watch this again now, I don't know how I missed that!

@blaat44

Жыл бұрын

Haha you're right it's visible at 2:24 in this clip watch?v=lGxeWy0YgiU&ab_channel=LeaderVic

@off_1ine

Жыл бұрын

he doesn't T pose, the footage behind the cog just jumps back to a frame where he was holding the cog over his head

@siddshekar

Жыл бұрын

@@off_1ine Yea noticed that too after rewatching it a couple times, hence corrected it in my post. Though first time I saw it i genuinely thought it was a T-pose based on how fast it was haha.

Also, for She-Hulk, what we're getting for a "show" is pretty incredible to think about. However, I think where the uncanny valley part comes in isn't in the textures or shaders, but rather in the animations of the face and body itself. The scene where she's in the office and she twists her torso, it looks like they just pivoted her whole torso rather than adjusting her shoulders (she doesn't lead with her shoulder, instead it just seems... flat as it twists, and unattached bio-mechanically to the head as it turns too.) The same goes for some of the facial expressions too... some of the facial movements are missing micro-expressions, or are just a little to mathematically smoothed, IMO. Again, though, for a series-show, going with a fully CG (mostly) human face is pretty ballsy and its possible that those were some early renders that will be fixed/finished when the show airs too.

@blofeld39

Жыл бұрын

There are plenty of microexpressions -- if you look at the Disney+ version of the trailer, for instance, in the POV shot of her swiping on Tinder, you can see very subtle lip movements before the big facial expression change.

@fracturedliquidwings

Жыл бұрын

Maybe would've looked better if they didn't 100% animate she-hulk then? Maybe go with the Hobbit approach where she's a separate plate using scale and distance to make her look bigger? Then again it's a disney show so they probably want to make it quick and relatively light on budget.

@mrtwixplays2299

Жыл бұрын

Can you react to Julian Bam BEICHTE-B-LOW please they have a fantastic VFX

@nanashiryuu5630

Жыл бұрын

They have friends who work with marvel and have had many marvel animators on the show who I'm sure have worked on she hulk. They most likely don't want to bash on their friends work. Most likely a bias because an untrained eye can easily tell the CGI in she hulk is very poor

@AK-Drakoin

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I think!

Feels like these people are fully terrified of losing any access to Disney and/or they (or friends) did some of this CGI - This is nowhere CLOSE to an honest take on the end product. Also, seems they fixate on the trailer and differences with a potential KZread upload - did they ever follow up on the actual show? It's atrocious.. the lip sync is off, the odd motion blur, uncanny valley galore, it's just so painful to watch. They seem to be purposefully spinning and avoiding an expert's take on the CGI versus the state of the art - which is exactly their charter if I'm not mistaken? No integrity here.

I will never unsee that Mike Myers clipping shot

I'm a roto/paint artist and I know exactly what they did for the leg shot. I had to do the exact same thing a couple of times in Moon Fall. What you do is that you clean frame the leg, you then hold it and you animate it by hand. In nuke I would use either a gridwarp or gridwarptracker. Afterward it's a matter of matching grades and recreating shadows. Full on recreation.

I don't know on the She-Hulk stuff, a lot of the visuals look good when you sporadically pick a spot to look at, but the overall motion still has that Iron Man in Civil War effect where I can just immediately tell it doesn't line up or have proper motion in sync with the face.

@solvemproblerstudios5889

Жыл бұрын

I agree- very “call of the Wild” Dog reminiscent. Actually looks very good paused, just a bit weak in motion.

I love this content enough that I owe it to Vessi to try them for bringing me this joy

These close up shots of She Hulk look great! Okay, now what about everything else.

I think the reason why the she hulk character doesn't feel totally real is the hair. It feels very stiff and locked into place. Seeing the other clips of the actress shows how lively hair can be and the she hulk character feels like it has action figure hair.

@thezx5795

Жыл бұрын

The hair looks great to me. It's the animations that dont do it for me.

@gucky4717

Жыл бұрын

Look at her Hands in the Scene with the Glass...they look like very long Spiderfingers.. also in other shots her Hands are HUGE compared to her arms. Most of her Animations seem...unnatural and CG...

@m.c.murdoch6

Жыл бұрын

Really? I thought it was the fact she's running at 20 fps while everyone else is moving smoothly.

@DJGamingSmash

Жыл бұрын

I think it's her robot expressions, and the black void inside of her mouth whenever she opens it, but that might partially be acting?

@rekoj08

Жыл бұрын

Hair and also texture/lighting could be a bit better too. But hair is a massive problem with her character model.

Love, Death & Robots recommendation: "Beyond the Aquila Rift" and "Sonnies Edge" from volume 1 are two of my favorites and have amazing art/animation.

@TKOfromJohn

Жыл бұрын

We will all riot if it doesn't include those 2

@ILikeGoodFood

Жыл бұрын

They're my favorite episodes of all three seasons. Here's another comment in support of them.

@fiveoneecho

Жыл бұрын

@Beacom7 Oh my god I was so confused by the notification for this... "The Ice Age movie? Wtf?"

@dariusslim8694

Жыл бұрын

Sonnie's Edge is amazing. I'd love to see that

@n2bfw884

Жыл бұрын

Great recommendations.

I feel like these shots of She-hulk look extra weird because it seems like she's often animated like a pixar character, not like a real person. There's a bit of a squash/stretch principle playing into it that feels cartoonish

You guy are the best, i learned a lot from this video

Sam: “I don’t get why people have so many opinions about watching content.” Also Sam: “Let’s get back to giving opinions about content we are watching.” 🤣

@ashutoshbhushan6107

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, as if only they have the divine right to comment of whether they like something or not

@piyush2465

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t get the point at all did u? Saying something is shit is not giving ur opinion. It’s just shitting on something. That’s the problem. It’s not a fucking opinion. People need to have their own opinions instead of joining the bandwagon shitting on something contest

@piyush2465

Жыл бұрын

God ur slow

@lykosvon9142

Жыл бұрын

I mean that’s sort of the point of the video dude, this is episode 76 it’s an analysis 😂

@EmperorGuyver

Жыл бұрын

@@piyush2465 Nah the problem is a bunch of babies not accepting criticism and using bs turn around excuses of why it's not an opinion. It's always NEVER an opinion when something you like is criticized but it's an opinion when you criticize. It's ridiculous and pathetic and about time y'all stop with the bs crying excuses.

The She-Hulk animation/facial animation looks off compared to the work they've done with rufffalo. Her expressions look very overexagerated and sometimes the animation of her body moving looks VERY unnatural. It sits in the uncanny valley which is why a lot of people are reacting negatively to it. Also we know Marvel can hit a full cg face to perfection, they've notably done it with thanos and hulk so for people to have that expectation isnt wild in the slightest. Its also possible the actress is overplaying her performance because of expectations. Something is off to the point that people notice and I think having a dismissive stance towards high expectation studios can be just as harmful of a stance as being over-critical.

@joshflo8736

Жыл бұрын

The reason She-Hulk doesn’t look as good is because they have a lot less room for error. First, she needs to be attractive, so her face needs to be smoother and not as wrinkly as Banner’s, which adds less detail. Also, she has long, hair that needs to look perfect as well.

@Mandaa23B00

Жыл бұрын

Yes! Perfectly said.

@Mandaa23B00

Жыл бұрын

@@joshflo8736 she can be attractive with some wrinkles that show expression. These gross standards for “attractive” women are part of why it looks so bad.

@papichulo-bh5vz

Жыл бұрын

tv budget

@Mandaa23B00

Жыл бұрын

I mean they have shown us and told us that they won’t actually criticize Marvel time and time again, especially when the creators are there, which begs the question: why continue watching? They criticized the audience rather than doing what they sell themselves as doing.

Orphan Black was such an amazing show, Tatiana Maslany absolutely deserved her awards but the effects of clones were not recognized enough

16:18 the way sam said gemini man cracked me up for some reason

Sam: You don't need to tell people it's bad like everyone will make their own mind up. While in a reaction video called Bad & Great CGI... >_

Jibaro is the most unique animated short film I think I've ever seen. Nice to see Yun Ling's background paintings get the attention they deserve too. So good. I think the style in this one pushes it even further into the realm of a fable - which is what I see this story as being. I'd love to see more thoughts on this episode, but for other reactions I'd say. - night of the mini dead - bad travelling - Mason's rats - In vaulted halls entombed ( I think this would be good for ya'll to review since it's done entirely in UE5) cheers

@mango-strawberry

Жыл бұрын

Wtf was that episode? That jewellery loaded woman screams and all the men gets crazy and start attacking each other, and it just ends. This show was really trash. I've seen better episodic shows. Shin-chan comes to my mind.

@slowdro

Жыл бұрын

@@mango-strawberry She was a siren. Her screams put the men under a spell and that's why they ran to the lake and attacked each other.

@TheAthens619

Жыл бұрын

@@mango-strawberry the woman is a siren and sirens lure men to their death with their screams. TLDR: She was love stricken by the deaf knight because no one has ever refused her. The knight saw she was covered in jewelry and gold and took it, outraged the waters gave have him sound and she killed him for betraying her

@mango-strawberry

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAthens619 ending was bad tho. It'd be for the good if he took revenge for his fallen comrades after they were mercilessly killed by that b1tch

@ferro1398

Жыл бұрын

@@mango-strawberry why censor the word bitch with b1tch lol

Marvel CGI sucks now. They don’t pay their VFX artists enough or give them enough time. More and more artists are speaking out against marvel because of this. They’re prioritizing quantity over quality. She-Hulk is just horrid. The face is so uncanny and the motion is stiff. There doesn’t appear to be pores or fine hairs. There aren’t micro movements giving it realism. It’s really her face that does it for me. It looks so stiff and rubbery. It’s really hard because we know what they’re capable of. Infinity War and End Game were amazing. But Phase 4 is just rushed and it’s flooding the market. And no this isn’t dunking. This is holding marvel accountable. They’re being lazy.

@straightjacket308

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I want to see a full short episode of Love, Wren & Robots

She hulk- I don't think it's just the compression, A lot of it is the animation and texturing. Like the model is pretty good, but some emotes are weird and her clothes are always smooth. It's more noticeable because because real people are around her a lot so she feels comped in

@blofeld39

Жыл бұрын

The emotes are literally coming from the actress's facial features and expressions. It's all her.

@LordJagd

Жыл бұрын

Yeah it's just uncanny, which is probably because they needed to get a ton of shots done so they tried to make a consistent look.

@ted0swag

Жыл бұрын

@@blofeld39 That's what I thought too, but still looks weird and choppy in some scenes. I think they may be doing some exaggeration in places

@ted0swag

Жыл бұрын

@@LordJagd Yeah you're right, I think the CC guys also have it right, this is technically the first time we have a fully CGI woman on screen that isn't "human colored" or human sized, yet is still human proportioned and has to act with other real people (I can't think of any others). It makes sense that they're figuring stuff out

@shield_maiden_

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree. Sad corridor are throwing hate at viewers :/

6:15 The segment of comparing KZread with how powerful Disney+ can stream insane levels of quality detail is a super critical segment to talk about.

When you realized that the audiences have higher expectations than real VFX artists

I've become a recent Corridor fan, incredible work from the whole team! That being said, did you intentionally call Gemini Man "Gemeenee Man?"

Wren makes a great point about compression

@tinchairs6384

Жыл бұрын

then why do the people in Avatar's trailer look so much better?

@davidnewhouse3271

Жыл бұрын

Waiting for the day Wren doesn’t make a great point. We are living in a world where outrage media is very lucrative, yet Wren (and the wider crew) continue to be objective and fair, especially recognising the pressure digital artists are often under. I find it so refreshing.

@user-jp7tw3sd3x

Жыл бұрын

The problem is not in the compression. The problem is in the stylization or rather, the lack of it. The motion capture and CGI quirkiness works for Hulk because he is obviously not human. Shehulk however is just a lady with color change, so every small imperfection triggers the uncanny valley.

@mrtwixplays2299

Жыл бұрын

Can you react to Julian Bam BEICHTE-B-LOW please they have a fantastic VFX

@collaborator541

Жыл бұрын

@@tinchairs6384 because we expect them to be smooth.

Cannot wait for Love, death and robots episode, I highly recommend the following: •The witness • The secret war • Snow in the desert • Ice • Bad travelling • The very pulse of the machine I feel each episodes has such a varied art style, across each season I believe these styles are present but this is what I feel the very best of every art style across all 3 seasons, Love the videos guys please keep up the amazing work! ❤️

@amal3408

Жыл бұрын

They did the witness but take away ice and you have the perfect video

@anotherfatguy9631

Жыл бұрын

@@amal3408 of course they did witness I remember it now and only chose ice as it was a different art style to the rest, in that case I'd say Mason's rats

@darkassassin6457

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t mind them to talk about the different style of ice but would love to include masons rats into it

Alberto Mielgo is a mad genius on the level of Chris Cunningham and Michel Gondry, and his Jibaro is easily some of the most aesthetically pleasing animation I’ve ever seen. The story itself is fantastic but it’s also no surprise that it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. Still, it surprises me how often people seem to get annoyed when they’re confronted with ambiguity and a message that’s open for interpretation.

As someone who worked in that field for years, and has work you've likely seen, let me give you the REAL answer on why some CGI scenes are shitty. Time and Clients. Pretty much NO CGI artist WANT to present crappy work for millions to see. I was once given the task of doing a standard-for-the-show effect task and told it was needed for "a couple of shots." This was around 11am. The shots were being uploaded. I called our LA branch at 1pm and asked where the shots were and they said they were coming...I called around 3pm because I saw 6 shots being uploaded and it was clear there were more...I confronted the lead at 5pm and said "DUDE...HOW MANY SHOT ARE THERE???" His response? 14. And then he tells me needs them by morning. This was on a VERY popular show at the time. Not the exception, the rule. Trust me, the CGI industry is NOT what you think...