I took ibogaine on August 9th, 2020 to kick a 10 year opiate habit. Haven't taken an opiate since. Changed my life. It actually "showed me" what I was doing to myself and my loved ones. It also reset my brain to a pre-addictive state. Almost no WD. No craving at all. Since then, I've lost 70 lbs. Started studying microbiology and learned to play the piano. I now workout 5 days a week and have a great relationship with my friends and family.

@debramonette9381

2 жыл бұрын

It has been 3 years since my Ibogaine for oxy and never relapsed. I live in gratitude, much love and peace!

@Netfuk

2 жыл бұрын

From we’re u get the treatment

@realaceboogy

Жыл бұрын

How much did it cost. Can I send me the info

@tinkertom3683

Жыл бұрын

That's great news I'm so happy for you 😊 what dosage did you take and for how long?

@newgtguy

Жыл бұрын

@@Netfuk I went to a place in Cancun MX called Ibogaine Riviera Maya.

I just started IV ketamine therapy for PTSD one month ago. It has completely changed my life for the better. My dad committed suicide when I was 5. My mom started using drugs soon after and I watched her get sexually assaulted by two of her drug dealers. I was never ok again. This is the first time in my life that I am truly happy! Please do your research. My insurance covers 80% of my treatments! It’s the greatest gift I’ve ever been given!

@Th3Watch3r

2 жыл бұрын

This is an awesome testament!! Good luck in the future!

@David-vn2id

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you have the ketamine done?

@Ddhdhdjdh

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome insurance covers it! I would not have expected that

@Trigger10sn

2 жыл бұрын

@@David-vn2id I go to a clinic called The Remedy here in Minnesota. The clinics are popping up all over the country though! Google one in your area.

@donofthejuan8839

2 жыл бұрын

Had a different experience with Ketamine injections after 3 years of therapy on it. Was great and life changing.. at first… but had to quit as it started causing more ptsd I didn’t even know I had. The constant K-holes will do the mind dirty over the course of time sadly, so quit while it’s working and find a way to alleviate the discomfort organically. 🙏🏼

psychedelic assisted therapy is changing the world. good on joe for spreading the word.

@ManiacInTheShed

Жыл бұрын

I have CPTSD and I have tried magic mushrooms and I lost my mind! Ended up having a psychotic episode, had to be restrained by the Police in which I knocked one cop unconscious and it took 7 officers to restrain me. I ended up getting done for assaulting a police officer

@user-su6bk5rz5q

Жыл бұрын

☝️☝️💊💊🍄🍄🍫✅ They've got quality psychedelic products and ship discreetly too¿

@aurasensor

Жыл бұрын

Microdosing would have been better. Or even ecstasy cause it's a hugging drug. Or oxytocin, another hugging drug. Or you try a pure spiritual way, like Eckhardt Tolle describes. Good Luck - Don't give up!

I can't tell you how good it was to hear him say it gave him his life back. Geezuz it's just good to hear some good news for once. Seriously I almost cried.

@jonathansoko1085

2 жыл бұрын

If that made you nearly cry i fear you need to grow a pair dude. Either that or stop doing drugs.

@RolandSpecialSauce

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansoko1085 You would definitely benefit from these types of psychedelics. Your ego needs to be checked

@Robert-xn3dc

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansoko1085 Bro you've got it so wrong 😆crying does'nt make you weak. It means your strong enough to feel and face things that hurt and challenge you. Disconnecting yourself from your emotions make you a coward 😆I know this because I spent the first 20 years of my life a criminal, then the next several turning my life around to do something good for those I love and for my community. You need help brother 😂

@tievom

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathansoko1085 Spoken like yet another "Moral Crusader" who has no clue as to the healing benefits of psychedelics.

@jonathansoko1085

2 жыл бұрын

@@tievom I know everything

Finally, we're talking about tripping again!

@trentjensen96

2 жыл бұрын

Ive missed the Joe "have you ever done DMT or Ibogaine?" Rogan.

@stockontruthchannel2631

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZYeWydulqaXIj84.html What the media don't want you to see 😱

@kay-collins

2 жыл бұрын

Lol! Right! He barely talks about drugs anymore.

@kay-collins

2 жыл бұрын

@@trentjensen96 same.

@FLHerbologistLaura

2 жыл бұрын

🙌

Joe seems to not understand that Dakota was only angry in the immediate aftermath, because he had a bad trip and thought it made his mental health worse. It's 100% clear that he was grateful for his friend's advice once the whole picture came together.

@coolguy473

2 жыл бұрын

That was a little tough, like let him finish the story stop hanging up on "why would you be mad"

@Lee-xs2jt

2 жыл бұрын

joe's a dummy sometimes

@Alexfromthe6

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, he couldn't explain himself properly and I was about to fall asleep listening to him

@JoJo-vg8dz

2 жыл бұрын

The bad trip is part of the cure. You can't get rid of your demons if you don't expose them.

@timflint25

2 жыл бұрын

@@JoJo-vg8dz oh yeah we all totally understand that...it's just that Dakota was speaking of his thoughts in those exact moments during the bad trip, and Joe got a little defensive about it before even letting him finish the story.

As a 75 year old Vietnam vet with PTSD, I almost did myself in. A woman at The Vet Center is responsible for saving my life, God bless her. I find that I cry easily , the truth is Its Always There. You just move forward until your number is called to join our brothers on the other side. God bless all our military and the sacrifice they give. Thank you for doing this show Joe, 22 a day take there lives and nobody but there loved ones and friends care. God bless you.

@cobbfutbol62

2 жыл бұрын

We. Care. Frank. Welcome home.

@chrisford8500

2 жыл бұрын

No idea who you are but I do care. You are loved for all you have done for this country, every single one of you. Never forget that.

@howardjohnson6189

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Frank, there really are many of us who do care and, I too, would like to extend a, though much belated, a sincere “welcome home” to yourself and any and all other vets who may be reading this.

@laurenbrown869

2 жыл бұрын

We all love you Frank! God knows every hair on your head and placed you here for a reason. Love you 😍 more than you know! Just know that those negative thoughts are not your own.

@Heywood.Jablome

2 жыл бұрын

😂

It's great seeing someone that was suffering get effective treatment and get better.

@marvinwilliams7938

2 жыл бұрын

I wish everyone felt the infinite love he experienced. It is forgiving and courageous

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

@phillipbrown569

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen Prison Fight - Getting Jumped by Nortenos kzread.info/dash/bejne/lmqMl5OLj72oabg.html 😂 😆

I went to Mexico this year and I took part in Ibogaine Treatment…complete mental reset for my PTS… I leave out the D because I refuse to believe it’s a disorder…. I wasn’t born with it ya know. Anyway, Ibogaine is not a recreational psychedelic by any means folks. It was and remains amazing how much it helped me. I was not happy during or immediately after my doses but I can’t explain how much it helped me mentally. I liked being here again!

@ryanvee570

Жыл бұрын

Disorder simply means Something that throws your mind and/or life out of order. Nothing to do with being born w something

@luzcamou6296

Ай бұрын

We're did you go? I. I'm trying to find a place for me

I went to the Iboga Wellness Center (not Ibogaine) clinic in Costa Rica for an 8 day retreat, 2 ceremonies, and I can tell you that Iboga is as real deal as it gets. Ayahuasca gets a lot of hype, but what many of those people are really looking for is Iboga. If you really want to heal, if you are really ready for a change, I can't recommend it highly enough. I've been thru an enormous amount of trauma, neglect, abuse, abandonment, C-PTSD and nothing ever came close to the healing and the clarity and the peace that Iboga brought me. I still microdose it today

@realaceboogy

Жыл бұрын

Can u lead me in the direction of how I could go a out micro dosing it?any help would be greatly appteciated

@NakedEmperor

Жыл бұрын

How much did it cost? I came off suboxone after using it to come off of opiates after I broke my neck in a car accident and it took 5 months of pure agony and hell. I ended up taking suboxone again for pain because I could take a pinch of it and it works 1000% better than any opiate but I cannot imagine coming off suboxone again. I have to do something because I cannot go on for much longer. If you could help with any info it would be greatly appreciated.

@kyronwalsh

Жыл бұрын

How much was your 8 day treatment?

@aurasensor

Жыл бұрын

You can buy it on the internet. Be extremely careful using it. Means try tiny dosage first, than work your way up. I had problems using it like "electric discharges" in my brain. The second time it made me extremely cold and ruthless. I did not cause any harm of course, but it was discomforting. There is a chance that it wasn't Ibogaine after all. But I don't know for sure. The taste was stinging, cutting, very intense. Large dose (like 10 doses) was 50 dollar, came from southafrica.

@kingdumb615

Жыл бұрын

Where can I get it?

I just wanted to tell Dakota that his explanation of feelings, that first room..... that's how we all feel. Spent a decade of my life down range in and out of uniform. Came home in 2014 and have had to deal with these feelings ever since. The description of the overcast, the room where everyone is disappointed in you, man. Tears. Thanks for being so articulate.

@KeithStrang

Жыл бұрын

If you need help, I know a guy who has treated two family members with incredible success. One PTSD, one a serious drug addict, both are thriving in their lives now.

The thing with Iboga/Ibogaine that I learned is that it takes a day or two after the trip is over to integrate, and the healing becomes evident. What he describes is very common...the day after the ceremony feels maybe even worse than you did before you took it. Iboga shows you everything that is holding you back or hurting you, but it's showing you as it leaves. Iboga carries it out of your system. But it shows you what it's removing. Whether or not he did 5meo, he would still find great healing. In other words, it's not just a psychedelic trip where it shows you your stuff mentally, then it's over. No, it's cleaning house and you're seeing all the stuff it's loading up to take to the dump in a garbage truck. If you ever do this medicine, have faith it is helping you,, it's legit working on you like a doctor, give it a day or two before you assume you didn't need to see all your problems. You absolutely do need to see your problems, Ibogaine stays in your system for up to 6 months. The process is far from over even a week after your medicine journey. Have patience and trust

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

I'd appreciate your comments

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

i bought some psychedelic products and ibogaine from a Drugstore online and it's affordable

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

FROM TRIP_Pharmacist

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

in ?? INSTAGRAM

@benjaminz2523

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrs_Mccoy my first thought is, be very very careful. Of ALL psychedelics or medicines, Iboga/Ibogaine is the number one that you dont want to play with. You want to make sure you are healthy first of all. And if you don't treat the medicine with utmost respect and humility, it can really be too much, and can take a long time to come back from. Once yoy take it, you don't want any distractions whatsoever. Lay down. Don't plan on moving except to the bathroom for hours. Look up Bwiti tribal music and have that playing. It's not LSD or mushrooms, it's nothing like anything else you've ever experienced at all so proceed with caution. I would really advise against messing with it unless you are really sure in your heart you are ready to heal

Iboga. Real medicine. Works against addiction. I am so mad that the society just demonitize these sacred root.

@1pcfred

2 жыл бұрын

Damn them for not letting me do PCP and crack too!

@Enders.paradise888

2 жыл бұрын

@@1pcfred lol look at you trying to compare sacred medicine that could save millions to crack

@Random-ti4lu

2 жыл бұрын

Paul Frederick ironically, psychedelics would probably help people get off of pcp and crack more than anything out there. don’t arrogantly be the governments little puppy, you’ve been played with

@JoJo-vg8dz

2 жыл бұрын

@@1pcfred These plants help people cure their addictions more effectively than any 20y psychotherapy or medical treatment. So you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

@1pcfred

2 жыл бұрын

@@Random-ti4lu smoking crack on acid is da bomb!

I’ve seen alot of Dakota’s interviews and haven’t seen him this vibrant and full of life. It’s great to see!!

@jinz0

2 жыл бұрын

he seems dead like a zombie, guy has issues

@KaBaSki714

2 жыл бұрын

Wow, really? This is vibrant?

@jinz0

2 жыл бұрын

@@KaBaSki714 😂 definitely not a word to describe that monotone shellshocked zombie

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

@lakersfansince1991

2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t he a proven liar?

As a PTSD survivor of 40+ years, I’ve developed a saying that “Helping others, helps me.” I suspect Dakota Meyer has this same need to help others too. I suspect PTSD will never go away, hen I’ll never give up either. #ETwithPTSD

@travislee9396

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve suffered with PTSD as well. For a little over 20 years. In all my studies I’ve found that this is a mental injury. Not mental illness. For me the treatment was micro dosing. It’s amazing how these substances help so much yet are absolutely illegal here. Thank you for sharing man. May you also find some peace in a world of chaos.

@Jayden-lu7od

2 жыл бұрын

@@greischwitz you made 0 people laugh not even yourself just delete this account, don’t respond btw L + Ratio + bozo + don’t speak ever again

@dshepherd107

2 жыл бұрын

I’m like you. I recently tried cold therapy & frankly, I can’t believe how much it’s helping. If you’re interested, check out “Wim Hof “ on KZread. He has a method involving cold therapy that is proven by doctors to help. It’s not marketing or anything. Totally free. He’s this Norwegian guy who was suffering deeply, & came up with this method to pull himself out of his depression over his young wife’s suicide. Smart man bc it works. I hope it helps you

@greischwitz

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jayden-lu7od you must be a jew

@Ddhdhdjdh

2 жыл бұрын

Thats how the whole AA NA thing works. Helping others is powerful for both

This clip was mesmerising. His energy made me feel calm. Looking forward to listening to the full episode later.

This video is an example of why Joe Rogan's platform is so important.

@spod32827

2 жыл бұрын

Totally. The real sh*t.

@sharrison826

2 жыл бұрын

So true!

@mehanyr

2 жыл бұрын

Very true, you think mainstream TV or media would allow this kind of speech when their advertisers are big Pharma

@TheHolisticSanctuary

2 жыл бұрын

Check out this video kzread.info/dash/bejne/k6eFmNaHkcqynJc.html

@AbelSFR

2 жыл бұрын

💯

Brings tears to my eyes seeing how different Dakota is in this, hearing him talk about his experience is amazing. I pray he never loses this.

@dan_shroomsoninstagram3859

2 жыл бұрын

☝️☝️☝️look up the handle for sure recommendation he ships swiftly and got shrooms,lsd,Dmt,mdma,ayahuasca,chocolate bar,microdosing capsules and other psychedelic products. 💯reliable source.

@nunu4evaaa

2 жыл бұрын

👍🏽🙏🏽❤️

I took Ibogaine in 2005. Was given it by a Dr. In Mexico. He was half Swiss half Mexican. Dr. Martin Polanco. My roommate(we had to stay in the states before they transported us to Rosarito, Mexico) was Steven Adler. Adler stole the Ibogaine in the van, on the way to the hospital. We stopped to get gas and he bailed with it. I had to wait another day. That wasn’t fun. Ibogaine was one of the most profound experiences I’ve ever had. I still remember it in detail. It’s the Real McCoy.

Man i'm so happy to see he really is better. I watched their first podcast and you could see the pain he was in, and seeing him here he's a different persone with alot of life in him. God bless you Dakota for coming to peace with life

I am from the country where it grows 🇬🇦 Gabon As a teenager, I used to chew some roots for fun and sometimes for sports. I would go for long runs and I would feel like there was nothing around me. I'd hear my heart pumping, In a state resembling the effects of alcohol slightly. We use the Iboga root during rituals for initiations as well.

@chorobert19774

Жыл бұрын

Can I have your contact I will like to come to Gabon

I love all the variety of topics that Joe discusses with the guests he has on but when people talk about tripping it is my absolute favorite.

@maltesetony9030

2 жыл бұрын

Joe's worming his way back into the mainstream. Most of his stuff is superb (e.g. Ed Snowden, Louis Theroux); but when he goes off the rails he does it good and proper (Alex Jones; psychedelic drugs; anti-vax crap, etc.).

@cosmiccomedy7394

2 жыл бұрын

I fuck with mushrooms.

@maltesetony9030

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike-sp4iz The damage done by psychedelics far outweighs the benefits (if any) they have to offer. And smart people get vaccinated.

@maltesetony9030

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike-sp4iz The damage caused to the acid burnouts of the 1960s, 70s & later should serve as a warning. And the evidence for the efficacy of vaccines is overwhelming.

@maltesetony9030

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike-sp4iz That's a relief. And don't forget your jabs.

So glad to hear someone bring this treatment to awareness most have never heard of it

Mr. Meyer, it's always great to hear from you. I'm not sure if you remember me or not, but we met when you came down to Camp Geiger in the summer of 2019 to speak to the Marines in the auditorium. As a young PFC recovering from a torn ACL, you gave me advice that I've used for my entire career and life since then. I didn't ask for a photo with you, but you signed my journal and gave me a hug. That journal is still one of my most prized possessions. I wish you and your family all of the best, thank you!

I Work in a ibogaine center next to Tijuana I can say it does work! People aren't the same after ibogaine. One guy said he was in peace, no more anxiety, and hasn't used ever since.

@lisagrace6471

3 ай бұрын

Awesome! Which center do you work at? I am looking into one for me for TBI from long standing concussion.

I’ve done Ayahuasca when I wanted to end my life two years ago. It was one of the most scariest experiences of my life. But I’m kinda glad I took it. Overall it had a positive impact on me

@bluenugget3563

2 жыл бұрын

glad you are alive to tell the tale ❤️

@thomasmitchell4128

2 жыл бұрын

Rough going through it, but glad you did it when you look back on it. That's how most my trips are.

@TRUEBOOST9

2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@JoJo-vg8dz

2 жыл бұрын

The bad trips are just the unconscious problems manifesting themselves clearly in order to be resolved and cured. They can't be cured if they remain hidden from consciousness.

@wmak199

2 жыл бұрын

@katherine jones anything sold on Instagram is a fukkn SCAMM!!! GFY

This clip will save many, many lives. Well done Joe Rogan.

Watching this after a hard therapy session and so many of the points made by both of you in this video were really ringing true for what's going on in my life. Joe the way you went about asking simple questions and helping him to realize in his own way and time was amazing to watch and hear. 👏👏👏

I haven’t seen him in a while. Wow, he looks and sounds so much more alive. Awesome to see. What he said gave great insight into what PTSD looks like. Make self-care a priority…it’s not selfish.

@Spazlites

2 жыл бұрын

@katherine jones nice try detective…nice try

@wolfman8449

2 жыл бұрын

His greatest battle was dealin' with the Palin's

@fookinaye8277

2 жыл бұрын

You gotta watch 'American party' podcast with him and Dan Holloway

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

Every service member and veteran should get treated for PTSD even if they think they are fine!

@chrisramshur938

2 жыл бұрын

I am being treated for what the va calls non combat ptsd due to my time in the marines and the recent acknowledgement of ptsd as a disease in general is fantastic for those of us suffering from it

@jthomaslo87

2 жыл бұрын

And every president should have to have 10 ayahuasca ceremonies

@BenRester

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisramshur938 I’m glad you are being taken care of! It took me about 4 years after deployment to get help. It was only after my wife and friends and a Pow wow about my mental health! There has been research that says even high stress training can have a deep impact and cause PTSD!

@chrisramshur938

2 жыл бұрын

@@BenRester it took me 7 and losing custody of my daughters to their grandmother to finally get off my ass and get into the va at all

@BenRester

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisramshur938 I’m sorry to hear that brother! I have been in the same situation! Thankfully I was able to get back together and cancel the divorce and be with my wife and kids. A lot of civilians don’t understand how our minds have been re-wired and always looking for a threat and it floors me how everyone goes on with their lives worry free completely unaware of the rest of the world!

Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here

@georgewilliams1062

Жыл бұрын

Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.

@zoeywinston6826

Жыл бұрын

LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."

@sarahh321

Жыл бұрын

[_James_tray] Got psychs

@Jerryberger9235

Жыл бұрын

@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?

@nishaelvert1104

Жыл бұрын

Last year, I took shrooms at Las Vegas thinking it was going to hit like an edible or something. Shit was scary at first but amazing once you start getting deeper into your thoughts

And yes, Iboga makes you face all of your demons and all of your ego within yourself that has remain unfaced. It is you having to face yourself. It can be incredibly painful, but guess what, that’s exactly what is needed in order to heal. When you finally see what you’ve been identified with, everything you’ve been identified with that has been in authentic to you, you are set FREE. Make no mistake about it, that is the only way to heal. To face what you need to face within yourself, to see it in awareness. It is both incredibly painful, and when you’re on the other side, the absolute best and most amazing experience of bliss you will ever have. Be grateful for those painful moments when you get to see what you need to see, that is grace

@lilajokimbrough2193

Жыл бұрын

I'm scared to try it! Can u microdose it

@newgtguy

Жыл бұрын

My ibogaine experience was like 3 years of therapy in 8 hours. Amazing stuff! Changed me forever!

@wacey7455

Жыл бұрын

"Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me..." "I once was lost, but now I'm found..." "I once was blind, but now I see."

@suzybearheart530

2 ай бұрын

Your comment reminds me of Neverending Story - when they talk about the scariest challenge of all, trying to reach the Southern Oracle is the mirror that makes you confront your true self. Sounds like Iboga is the mirror that makes you see yourself clearly, and that can be terrifying.

Unfortunately this therapy is not available in the United States of America! We are failing our citizens by denying access to amazing plant medicines.

@MediumDSpeaks

2 жыл бұрын

But this guy is American. He went to Mexico. It is relatively expensive financially, but absolutely fucking priceless when PTSD is threatening your life. Literally no amount of money is worth your life, so sure, America has horrible fucking drug policies, but going to Mexico I'd completely affordable to most Americans. It's often cheaper than flying interstate, heck I've flown to Paris for $150 each way, while Los Angeles the same year was $330 each way. It is on our continent, we can attain it, actually much more easily than the VAST majority of medical treatments out there. Most cancer or MS or Parkinsons treatments are financially out of reach to most people who need them, diabetes, heart disease, and above all mental health as often people don't get treatment even when it's too late, as there is stigma. It sucks this sort of stuff was illegal stateside originally, however Ketamine therapy is being given, psilocybin therapy is being given, all manner of things are being given now legally in the US & Canada; I believe that by 2040 Ibogaine therapy will have absolutely been used, likely regularly used, within the US & Canada, there's no doubt in my mind of that.

@Meandmymirror

2 жыл бұрын

@@MediumDSpeaks Well you can’t get blood from a turnip! Lol but it would be nice to be able to look into some of those options. I’m always hesitant to believe the reviews I read. But if individual people recommended the place I might be more likely to think about it. Luckily we had a shaman come to My town doing Ayuasca ceremonies. Much cheaper than going to the jungle

@MediumDSpeaks

2 жыл бұрын

@@Meandmymirror but... reviews ARE individual people

@QUINTUSMAXIMUS

2 жыл бұрын

It is available in Canada and Mexico. That's close enough. You're right, it's not available, but you can do Ayahuasca in the US in places like Florida and there are mushroom retreats, so there's some progress.

I struggled/struggle with PTSD and almost took my life twice last year. I want to help veterans dealing with what I did. Thanks for this video and bringing light to a subject that needs to be fixed after a 20 year war fighting evil like most veterans did their whole career.

@yaboiicj94

2 жыл бұрын

@katherine jones thank you

dakota seems so much more filled with life and hope in this episode. even physically he looks significantly better than previous appearances.

Dakota is such an amazing and resilient man. Our youth and world could learn a lot from him. I am happy he has found some joy in his life. Semper Fi 💪💪

Seeing him explain all this with a smile on his face is awesome.

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate your comments

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

I’d bought some psychedelic products from a drugstore online and it’s affordable

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

FROM TRIP_PHARMACIST

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

in ?? INSTAGRAM

Thank you Dakota for being so brave in sharing your story. And thank you Joe for being a place for people like Dakota. Your a great person!!

As a veteran. I appreciate this. Learning how to take care of myself mentally while always putting others first has been the struggle my entire time outside of the army.

Thank you for this! We need more of this. Bless you❤️🙏🏼

Dakota: "I did DMT the next day" Joe: *LISTENING INTENTLY*

YES MORE PSYCHEDELIC STORIES, this reminds me of the OG Joe Rogan Days

@valentinxz

2 жыл бұрын

@Eli Rivera I guess I’ve been out the loop, I’m only on the KZread side

@paleamigo8575

2 жыл бұрын

Right!

@darkstar8196

2 жыл бұрын

@@valentinxz I actually prefer the Spotify platform. I rarely watched episodes, so I just downloaded the audio only so I can listen offline while I work or drive.

@valentinxz

2 жыл бұрын

@R S nah psychedelics is a topic dealing with consciousness. Awareness of it all. I don’t think anything can top that

This was such a powerful interview to watch. Thank you Joe.

I wish the entire video was available. I listened to the podcast but there is always something super special about video and audio.

I did a bunch of shrooms when I was younger. This guy is speaking on that grace. It makes you weak, in some aspects, but it makes you a better person. Not hurting a person should be a 24/7 conscious thought process

Just an FYI to other vets, not everyone gets better with ibogaine sessions. I did the same deal with a program for vets and first responders. I completely lost my shit and panicked and then raged as a result of my lack of ability to control and had to be held down by three guys. I felt pretty shitty the next day and refused the next session. Everybody was understanding but all it did was add embarrassment to my list of problems and not much positive I gained from it. Pretty sure I scared the shit out of everyone there. I got the VA to pay for a therapy provider outside of the VA to help me and it’s been productive for me. I’m not saying don’t try ibogaine sessions, everyone is different, I’m just saying it’s not for everyone and to be careful if you have heavy PTSD because it’s gonna take you to suppressed emotions forsure.

@lisagrace6471

3 ай бұрын

thank you for the warning and insight.

Thank you for sharing your intense experience .. I can't imagine it is easy to articulate what you went through or have been through but you did so well thank you for sharing this

Thank you for sharing this part of your life experience. 💙

Wow, Dakota seems like such a genuinely good person!! God bless him. I love the JRE.

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

@hacznorhe3897

2 жыл бұрын

He is actually a huge dick. Major controversy about his MOH. Super rude and disrespectful to many of the prominent players in the 2A community. His ideologies would have had Ukraine fall the third day into the seige. Stay armed, exercise your rights. Once we are disarmed we will never get that back. I can't even look at this dude without boiling with rage!! I respect the time he served but major thumbs down for him as a person.

It breaks you down to build you up. While in it it’s miserable. But it changed me forever in a positive way. DMT and all the psychedelics I’ve done have had positive impact on my life.

you have come along way,,,so happy to see you doing better!!

Dakota, I'm glad you found your way. I hope you have a happy and enjoyable life taking care of your beautiful daughters bro. Find peace.

Feel like joe needs to do another trip he’s been through so much this year

@truthbetold6578

2 жыл бұрын

He went to planet of the apes

@frostybrew13

2 жыл бұрын

@Amita Ami scammer

@frostybrew13

2 жыл бұрын

@Amita Ami scammer

@bhillis99

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to the crybaby libs. Evil

@paynekaufmann403

2 жыл бұрын

Def needs some shrooms at least

That was the most uncomfortable way to tell a trip story but mad respect for that guy for talking about it. Most men cower when other men bring up their feelings.

Wish I had a buddy like he did to go through his issues and ptsd.

Thank you, Dakota for sharing this.

Just had one of my weirdest JRE moments ever... Lately I've going back and listening to the Chris Bell and Mark Bell podcasts. Currently im on #772 around the 9min , 55sec mark, Joe mentions Ibogaine.... this podcast was march 7, 2016. This notification came across my phone at the exact moment i was listening to episode 772

@jp-nl5xc

2 жыл бұрын

The chances of that happening are so low jahaha it had to happen to someone i guess

@MajorLH15

2 жыл бұрын

@@jp-nl5xc lol right! I had to go back and make sure I was listening to the same podcast. Sure enough... 2 different ones, about 6 years apart. Who wouldve thought, Joe is still talking about tripping on some obscure drug🤣

@Beefwelliington

2 жыл бұрын

Don't even get me started on synchronicity.

@jp-nl5xc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beefwelliington jfjf carl jung was dope jddk he knew some things

@TRUEBOOST9

2 жыл бұрын

Being called!

Joe will go down as the best podcaster of all time.

@DanielAnderssson

2 жыл бұрын

The first great one for sure.

@kendrickwright7237

2 жыл бұрын

Elon Musk meets Jordan Peterson!! kzread.info/dash/bejne/jJymm9FqeNaapNo.html 😂 😆

@gislanaepstein3013

2 жыл бұрын

Except he won't shut up when the guy is trying to tell the story. Why you angry at your friend Let him finish dummy.

My total respect for these guys. I was unaware these therapies existed. I understand a lot more now

Worked and worked with so many veterans. Loved one. Excruciating. Gave my life over to it. Glad to hear of every new treatment and every new ray of sunshine. Cause that world has little.

@MrLakin11

2 жыл бұрын

I am curious. Knowing what you know about it, would you love another?

@Ashley_e

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrLakin11 What do you mean? Would I love somebody a veteran with PTSD? I never stopped loving mine. Very complex. Each veteran has their own story; their own path. Some of my closest friends all sought help and committed to it. They have amazing families and children. Stable. Some stay in therapy and still work on things as life is always changing, and you need support to work through things as they come. Couples therapy too, vital. Not everyone chooses that path. The other side can be very dark. Traumatizing for the families too. I guess being in a relationship or marriage again, would be 100% based on how that person chose to live his life. And if I could. Cause it truly becomes secondary ptsd for families. Might be super triggering for me. IDK. But I know I fought, I hope other loved ones fight too. Don’t give up. There can be hope. But sadly my story didn’t make it.

@MrLakin11

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ashley_e The second half of your response is what I was curious about. Thanks.

I grew up with viloence and drug/alcohol abuse and when i was 35 i had enough of it and my first child had just arrived but i just could not shake the alcohol. So i went to Holland for ibogane,at Sara Glatts house. After that treatment I Never drank again and im 42 now and ibogaine put myself together again.

@jellysabanal1955

Жыл бұрын

Mycelium_mum21 helped me get off 7 years of suboxene 🙏

Just a reminder, the flip side of psychedelic abuse is it can seriosuly fuck you up and destroy your mind. These are tools to be used responsibly and never abused. Respect how powerful these substances are.

It sounds like he's a great guy that's taking on a tremendous burden of duty. That's a good mind, if I've ever seen one. The world is a better place with people like him around.

@adamgriffiths8639

2 жыл бұрын

exactly spot on mate!

I have a long time friend who is struggling (ex. military). This guy reminds me so much of him.

That's what mushrooms did for me. Saved my life. Stories like these warm my heart.

Rogan up the best buddy keep em coming

This brother has arrived. Good to see you. Much love.

It’s amazing to hear how our experiences had so many positive impacts and a lot of similarities

Hopefully this can help some people who struggle with PTSD. Ego dissolution can be one way but I do think it can have some pitfalls if the "set and setting" aren't right. I used to provide Prolonged Exposure therapy for veterans returning from combat. It's a very specific way to confront avoidance which is the very key coping strategy that maintains and worsens PTSD. It's like a closet that starts to get too full, eventually it starts to get more difficult to close and the trauma starts to distort and spill over into daily life. By doing PE as a specific treatment, it really reorganizes the structures negatively impacted by PTSD. Imagine returning to civilian life and getting flashbacks of one's tour overseas when seeing dirt rise when driving slowly through construction. It's a common occurrence. The therapy combined with some 'in vivo' or exercises in practice confronting the roadblocks helps resolve not only the main trauma, but also other traumas and things avoided. Typical progression of PTSD ends up being debilitating in that people will only shop very late at night or early AM, constantly scan surroundings by sitting at perimeters, viewing through windows who is walking behind and other things that can worsen to the point of not leaving the home. Many people right now are facing these challenges due to the state of the world. I don't subscribe to a single modality to fix anything. Ego dissolution is good for sure but Ego doesn't dissolve EVER. It's an important point. Ego is healthy. Ego will protect to some degree traumas. It's a balance and honestly the right clinician and assessment is key to helping resolve any psychological issues. I encourage any veteran to utilize the resources at the VA to get PTSD treatment and other services including service connections. One just needs a DD-214 and you can get the ball rolling. Thanks to any service members reading this or anyone really. As the saying goes....tough times don't last tough people do.

@xzec

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not a combat veteran by any means (by far), but many of the things you just said, I feel exactly the same way. I'm paranoid about shit I shouldn't be, like there's a lightning going through my spine when I hear a loud noise. I'm another person now than before, so I'm good, but I feel exactly what you said.

@briangrussing9327

2 жыл бұрын

The term ego dissolution is wholly inaccurate, it's just a shift in self perspective. If anything, it makes ones ego more soluble

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

@bobbyjosson4663

2 жыл бұрын

There are many new, rapid and complete ways to dissolve PTSD, unfortunately, they are competing with Big Pharma. Just of the top of my head... EMDR (eye movement, examples on youtube) Havening (see Paul Mckenna, on youtube) FasterEFT (a way to de-hypnotise the hypnotising state of PTSD, 100s of examples on youtube)) You Are the Placebo (Dr. Joe Dispenza, testimonials and how to youtube)

@briangrussing9327

2 жыл бұрын

Placebo/nocebo! Optogenetics do work: adjusting the expression of gene(s) by ocular filtered light. EMDR, frequency (color &/or sound) harmonics/light &/or color therapy, etc. Epigenetics can be regulated as a result of environmental factors & optogenetics. But as long as diseases are more profitable than cures, we cannot heal. We are incentivizing all the wrong & inhumane technologies & treatments.

So what Dakota was experiencing from what he said was that he resisted it and joe couldn’t understand why he would.. Dakota was just trying to explain his feelings at the time of his trip and that he was fighting it.. joe didn’t understand that but i can tell they understood each other at the end

@danstaffier

Жыл бұрын

Yup 👍

Excellent Episode. A lot of soul in both of these guys.

Joe, at this point has spoke to so many people. With experiences, including his own. Almost speaks as a therapist. I believe the man genuinely cares about a positive human experience. Personally I’ve delt with hell like I don’t think anyone in the world has or even has come close. But I believe that what Joe does, is speaks to a point of view that we all carry. And that’s a sense of compassion. The man watches folks beat the piss out of each other and understands the therapeuty behind it. As do the fighters. I personally have never been able to hold a real fist to someone. Idk why but I just can’t… I guess I respect joes point of view. Congrats brother for reaching such a level in life. I wish I had the confidence to do the same.

I had a friend in NA, a heroin addict. He went to Mexico and did the ibogaine treatment that's supposed to "cure" addiction. He said he felt great afterwards but he ended up relapsing like 3 days later. He passed away a couple years ago. I'm sure it helps with a lot of things but for fellow heroin addicts out there it's not a solution. I've been clean for almost 5 years and it's just because I wanted it and I did it for myself. Sometimes I feel like I just grew out of it and wanted better things for myself.

@jacket5456

2 жыл бұрын

Anyone offering ANY "cure" to addiction or Mental Illness is straight up deceiving, lying or not telling the whole truth. No Physician is *ever* going to spout anything about Mental Health "cures". Only people who don't know how medicine works would say something like that, as you've pointed out, this is incredibly dangerous. In fact, the second you hear the word Cure, run for the hills.

@Survivorchap

Жыл бұрын

Science says differently.

I suffer from severe combat PTSD. I've even got in trouble with Law Enforcement over it when I threatened to kill a infectious disease doctor at the VA for misdiagnosis of an illnesses of Bartonella and Q fever. I also went after a drug dealer that poisoned my son and beat him half to death. The judge and the State of Texas said I had severe combat PTSD too. I just don't know if this is for me, but I'm interested in doing something. My ups and downs are just to much sometimes.

@josephhertzberg2734

2 жыл бұрын

Read the comment above man, and reach out. I suffered from anxiety and panic attacks that were living nightmares, man. Psychedelics can show you a different way to look at your self and behavior and then your reactions. Good job on the drug dealer though, but I get it, it could've gone too far..

@littlelarry2912

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, everyone is different. But you only live one time, it seems crazy to not try something that has worked for others. When there is no danger in trying them. Sounds much worse to not try something for PTSD.

@Ashley_e

2 жыл бұрын

Hey…. Thanks for sharing. Worked at a number of VAs… but also have had Lyme. Can you talk to me about the Bartonella situation? It is a tick borne one and causes a lot of shit. Very few doctors even test for it. How did that happen? They treat you? 🙏

@Jennifer-iw9bl

2 жыл бұрын

Stop eating plants

@RetiredWarriorHUAW

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ashley_e .... Yes, they finally did, but I went outside the VA to our family doctor, and he sent me to a specialist in San Antonio. I took the ELISA test to the VA, and they finally documented it and treated me with Doxycycline for 2 months. The Infectious disease doctor at the VA originally said I had a false positive and this was why I went outside the VA for a second opinion. Later when I was sent back to the infectious disease doctor, he started giving me shit when I said he could have killed me. So, I shoved him against his desk and told him I'd kill him because he almost killed me. He said he was calling the police and I told him that they would only get there in time to draw a chalk line around his body. With Bartonella it can cause a lot of mental illness if not caught in time. It will literally drive you crazy. They wrote a song about it. Similar to Lyme, it causes a rage and anger as well as confusion. I think I had it for too long though and developed reoccurring or relapsing fever. I still seem to suffer long term effects. Thanks for asking though.

Upmost respect for Dakota. Looking forward to this Cast!

Both you gentleman have beautiful souls.

I've always found it interesting that these altered states show people remarkably close visual/emotional experiences. When he described the "whiteness" of the DMT trip... thats exactly the words I had when returning. That it was a celestial white that couldn't be described. Followed by explosions of crystal like rainbow patterns that gave way to a visit from a set of long fingered "hands" that wrapped themselves around my visual field as I was floating in this brightness. The fingers had endless eyes embedded in them and all I could feel was warmth and love on a level never before. Not terrifying in any way. Hard to explain. When you describe that to someone who hasn't ever had these experiences they usually say "thats terrifying" or "that sounds horrible". Which makes you sad that they can't know and feel what you saw for what it truly was.

@antigonebush1553

2 жыл бұрын

Amberleigh kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJ-G28-hdLOqqLw.html

Ibogaine clean me off 8 years of suboxone addiction

@carljohnson1848

Жыл бұрын

Myceliummoms21 is a trusted supplier

@carljohnson1848

Жыл бұрын

She on IG

Your a empathy, being you is all that's needed. Let go of everything you control nothing. Love

That was such a pure declaration. How can you be human and not feel that?

@blahblah2779

2 жыл бұрын

F*ck veterans. it's a shame only 22 a day off themselves. Should be 100

The man is a proven warrior, this is why anger follows a weakening of the mind.

@NUTRITIONALDIVERSITY

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true …. Good comment

I’d love to try Ibogaine. I’ve had major addiction issues for many years. It’s the result of traumas I endured as a child and how that affected my life decisions. I think Ibogaine could help fix it.

@sanandreasX

2 жыл бұрын

@Amita Ami ok fed

@squeakyrabbit

2 жыл бұрын

@Amita Ami Sick of seeing your spammy drug posts. Piss off.

@scherryvalentine9673

2 жыл бұрын

You might look into ketamine therapy.

Everything good has been surprised, and for the wrong reasons. I'm grateful to hear the good again

I feel him there, there is nothing better than making someone else happy

I have PTSD and the way Rogan described it is very accurate. It's like an event or series of events Etched permanently into your memory... I've dealt with this for almost 40 yrs. and although it lessons with time if you isolate yourself somewhat from the things that trigger it, it doesn't go away.

@ste2442

2 жыл бұрын

Horrendous isn’t it mate , I’m a British vet and 21 years after I left the British Army I still suffer from the darkness now and then . Stay strong mate 👍🇬🇧🇺🇸

@dano1307

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear brother I can only imagine. Are you well or still struggling bad?

@glumboy4229

2 жыл бұрын

Seven Hunnid on KZread is underrated asfc, see it when u high

@nunu4evaaa

2 жыл бұрын

everything is temporary.

@mfin-dave

2 жыл бұрын

@@ste2442 you too... I appreciate the kind words. Take care of yourself.

Joe should have DJ Shipley on. His episode with Shawn Ryan was one of the best podcast episodes I have ever watched.

@l3joint

2 жыл бұрын

Get Shawn on first.

@rayelee1301

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I was just talking about this. DJs interview with Shawn is the best Ive ever seen. That dude has been through it all and doing well now, thankfully.

@l3joint

2 жыл бұрын

@@rayelee1301 I liked his 1 on 1 as well. We need to get Shawn on here though, it's been a long time coming.

I’ve come to believe that seeking perfection from self & others - is to pursue a path of suffering. It chains ⛓ you to 1 thing, 1 idea, 1 standard. And often, us perfectionist... are never satisfied. The struggle for approval is often within ourselves. Stay humble. Stay kind. Stay teachable. Stay free. And Remember you are worthy of acceptance & belonging (& so are others). 🕯 🕊 🕯

I can relate to the "doing what you're supposed to" vs putting yourself down when don't

I was just watching his previous appearance on JRE yesterday and was wondering when he'll be guest again. Such a great human being overall and such a great story teller. The way he described fighting for his life with a guy who was choking him made my whole body reacting like I was in that fight. ...I Joe doesn't read comments but doesn't matter (•‿•) - this is public thank you for inviting him again

@MrBigczech

2 жыл бұрын

The guy was fighting and choking him because he just murdered his entire family for Exxon

"Shell Shocked" and "PTSD" are not the same, symptomatically anyhow. "Shell Shocked" is like ptsd to the point of loss of motor control, and sometimes complete catatonic states of consciousness. These are people completely dysfunctional and living in a constant state of shock.

This conversation is like psychologist would talk to a client. Pure and open

❤️ I felt this .. spiritual awakenings u can go through this without drugs tho but it takes alot of deep work. “Recovery” is when I felt this

I definitely need to do the ibogaine treatment. I know a few people who have done it and it completely changed their lives. Basically a full body and mind restore.

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

I'd appreciate your comments

@mrs_Mccoy

2 жыл бұрын

i bought some psychedelic products from a Drugstore online and it's affordable

@millicentegerton2532

2 жыл бұрын

Hit up my plug

@millicentegerton2532

2 жыл бұрын

MyCohenRy 33

@millicentegerton2532

2 жыл бұрын

He’s on Instagram

I'm glad this worked for him and other veterans, but let me present another perspective: A high dose mushroom trip absolutely destroyed my life and gave me horrifying anxiety, ptsd, destroyed my ability to have interests or feel comfort in even the smallest way. Went from a life of being happy and joyful everyday to wanting to die every single moment for the last 8 months. I used to lift weights 5 days a week, work as a professional musician, love nature. Now I lay on the couch, crying and screamingg everyday like I'm trapped in a coffin of reality. Everything feels like an actual dream/nightmare that you can't wake up from. It's a hell I wouldn't wish on anyone. There was no prior trauma to be "healed", it was done in the perfect "set and setting" etc, the trip itself wasn't even bad/scary...but near the end something horrible switched in my brain and my connection to my life was gone. I also immediately developed muscle spasms over my entire body that randomly go off 24 hours a day. Let's recognize the fact that we have no idea what these substances are actually doing and they have the power to destroy as well as improve things..and we don't have control over which direction things go despite all the "harm reduction" garbage the psychedelic community likes to spout. In this case, what would have happened if the dmt didn't have the effect of "bringing it all together"? It seems like if he just had the Ibogaine experience, he may have ended up in a even worse hell than he was initially, even if it "showed him what he needed to see" and all this other stuff that people like to say. Why did the dmt help? Is it because it's "sacred medicine" or because of serotegenic effects and other neurotransmitter/neurological activity that we don't understand at all. When you look at the trip reports from around the internet (reddit, psychedelic forums), there are an alarming number of cases where people talk about becoming suicidal during their trips or feeling like they need to die. Luckily, those feelings tend to reverse and they come out feeling normal. Sometimes those feelings don't reverse. I'm just one of the people suffering through that hell. I've seem doctors, tried meds, ketamine therapy, a "healer", therapy, etc. In addition to praising the benefits of these plants, we should also be trying to understand why they are causing people to also have these horrifying thoughts and feelings. Unfortunately, when something goes wrong, the community tends to immediately blame the person.."you weren't ready, the plant showed you what you needed to see, you were in the wrong set/setting". Please, we need to move away from this bullshit. Blame the "medicine" when things go horribly wrong and then figure out why using science/neurology etc. We are lacking heavily in any kind of research on the negative aspects of these compounds. There may be some mystical/esoteric things happening, but there are also ridiculously intense things happening to the brain and it's a diservice to not understand why and pretend these drugs always solve problems when they also create problems. Let's look at these plants rationally and not act like they are sacred magic that solves all problems.

@markwurz8577

2 жыл бұрын

So you took drugs recreationally and had a bad reaction? How is that even close to the same thing as what this dude went through? He was dealing with real trauma. Not trying to trip and watch cartoons.

@markwurz8577

2 жыл бұрын

Also, mushrooms aren’t even close to ibogaine or dmt. Totally different realm entirely.

@dharmaram7527

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, these substances are not for everyone and it’s absolutely irresponsible for Joe Rogan to talk it up like it’s no big thing.

@skypallman6169

2 жыл бұрын

Comparing psilocybin to ibogaine is apples and oranges. just isn't in the same realm. They are nowhere near comparable. Completely different experiences. When you take Ibogaine... You don't sit up or walk around and function... Trust me it's not possible... That's why I laughed that it's a schedule 1 drug.... No one would ever be like let's pop a flood dose of ibogaine and go party or go to a festival. When you take a flood dose you lay your ass down with blinders on and some good music that takes you through a journey and is designed to take your mind to different levels... You are still awake but are in a lucid dream. When you close your eyes and the blinders are on a movie just plays on the back of your eyelids. It's like a Year's worth of therapy and Awakening in 12 hours. 2 hours into my flood dose I had to pee because they have an IV hooked up to you. Bro I took my blinders off and just saw the fibers of the universe little red lines vibrating. I was like yeah there's no way in hell I'm making it to the bathroom... I couldn't even pee in the bedpan.... I was just like fuck it put my blinders and headphones back on. 😂

@newusernamehere4772

2 жыл бұрын

What kind of shrooms are we talking here? And what is a high dose for you? Have you taken MDMA? I've taken hundreds of powerful trips on every kind of hallucinogen imaginable. The only experience similar to what you described happened when I didn't take enough, I actually hallucinated for months seeing fractals and thinking about suicide/death. It wasn't all bad but it was pretty bad. The only thing that made it stop was ironically taking far more acid than I had the previous time, something in the realm of 5 to 10 times more than i had for the "bad trip". Ever since then I've had no problems with psychedelics. Sometimes you need to process the darkness.

Thank you Sirs! Shared.

Awesome story! Hope he keeps his spiritual journey going! 💪🙂

Ketamine therapy needs to be readily available

I'm a Vietnam Veteran. What Dakota said, about wanting to help people. Stems from His War Experiences. The need and wanting to keep "his people" safe as if They were Family. And Now, It's Wanting & Needing to make the World a better place. It's what "we" do. We want the misery to stop.

That was very educational, thanks jre!

That's deep. Hope the best for all who suffer.