Coming up with only 5 moves from these games was actually so hard. Thanks for having me on, and I hope everybody enjoyed the ridiculousness of these old games we loved.

@kevingriffith6011

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. You could have filled this entire list from just Injustice alone. Hell, you probably could have filled this entire list from just one character in Injustice.

@LordKnightfgc

Жыл бұрын

Goat activities 🙏🏾

@CuteAssTiger

Жыл бұрын

👍

@zechariahcaraballo8765

Жыл бұрын

would you say it was harder than talking without moving any face muscle for the whole video?

@tomkuiper8306

Жыл бұрын

LK + Sajam is something I wanna see more of. Y'all are my two favorite fighting game creators.

IJ1 was definitely one of the games of all time

@SupermanSajam

Жыл бұрын

Are you a fellow enthusiast?

@jmcrofts

Жыл бұрын

@@SupermanSajam I dabble

@danielclark653

Жыл бұрын

I definitely believe the same people that made mk9 made injustice 1

@i.theworstguys298

Жыл бұрын

@@danielclark653 boy do I have news for you

@kevinb5417

Жыл бұрын

"Fuck You For Not Zoning: The Video Game"

Sajam talking about Maya’s dagger toss was straight “But wait, there’s more!” energy

@Pseikoh

Жыл бұрын

It was actually hilarious, he says so many things and then goes 'but that's not why it's broken' like bruh wtf

@rebound1340

7 ай бұрын

"This move crashed the economy in 2008 and then caused the covid pandemic in 2020, but THATS NOT WHAT MAKES IT BROKEN"

@rebound1340

7 ай бұрын

Move stole my wife my kids my knees my kidneys and my liver, but that's not what makes it broken

One of the most unfair attacks in fighting games is when you all go for hotpot after a tournament, and you accidentally burn your mouth because your first bite was too _temperature_ hot, and then everyone clowns on you and says that you can’t handle spicy food. It’s not fair!! They don’t understand what happened!!!

@spacecostume9102

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@amare7430

Жыл бұрын

real

@6thdim

Жыл бұрын

So oddly specific 😂

@sanko111

Жыл бұрын

That's what happens when your language doesn't differentiate between spicy and temperature hot :D

@tabkg5802

Жыл бұрын

That's why you always have to take your time with spicy noodles. Also cold water and bread. Also sweet things

Sajam is so good at talking about fighting games he doesnt even need to move his mouth

@abouken6434

Жыл бұрын

Damn he's good.

@vaderwalks

Жыл бұрын

Damn he's a still image.

@methanesulfonic

Жыл бұрын

He's so passionate about the topic he forgot to blink throughout the whole video

@nightwolf9375

Жыл бұрын

@@vaderwalks transcend humanity, become image.

@deadfr0g

Жыл бұрын

Struggling vtuber energy

Shout outs to the folks that learned to play fighting games with these games. Y'all learned to safe jump safe launching DPs in the snow, uphill both ways.

Sajam/LK is such a good combo for this kind of video, since you both kinda cover the opposite ends of the fighting game spectrum. Now we just need a smash player and the trifecta is complete.

@65rytg

Жыл бұрын

I Wonder what that list would look like, s64 Kirby upsmash, brawl MK tornado, smash 4 dk cargo throw, melee shine, ult kazuya EWGF?

@kevingriffith6011

Жыл бұрын

@@65rytg I think Waft might be in there too, somewhere... but honestly Shine is legendary for a reason.

@juniperrodley9843

Жыл бұрын

​@@65rytg 64 Kirby uptilt absolutely... my lord. Steve block too maybe?

@RainbowLizardOne

Жыл бұрын

@@kevingriffith6011 Waft pre-patched was ridiculous. You have to work for waft confirms now.

@AMnotQ

Жыл бұрын

@@65rytg MK’s best move was actually teleport - for a short time. Because he could stall infinitely by simply tapping a button. But then that got limited to a few seconds.

Sajam: pulls from multiple games by developers around the world LK: "Good ol' ArcSys, nothing beats that!" ArcSys was fucking nefarious back in the day, I stg

@Upsetkiller456

Жыл бұрын

Aerial Lows are a crime LOL. It's funny because Blazblue was the first fighter I ever tried to seriously learn and didn't realize it's notorious for it's difficulty.

@thedocmmd1366

Жыл бұрын

@@Upsetkiller456 also it came out around SF4 era so SF players called it a baby game lol

@sigurdtheblue

Жыл бұрын

@@Upsetkiller456 It was designed to be an easier game for its time, pretty sure. I think it just had a lot of stuff that was unintentionally hard to fight against or hard to learn.

@Upsetkiller456

Жыл бұрын

@@sigurdtheblue The best laid plans of mice and men...

@WhirlingSteel

Жыл бұрын

Honestly surprised Ribcage or pre-nerf Nine 5B wasn't selected.

16:32 - *"Mitsuru has done physical things to my body"* yo same tho

how can sajam stay with the same face without blinking for so much time, this guy is a legend

Dormammu's Rose Garden, on launch, would still be active on the ground even after Dormammu got hit with a CINEMATIC LVL3! you would have to block the garden after the cutscene was over, and Dormammu had time to wake up and mix you up! don't know how people thought that was okay

@Zeekfox

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully that move got completely murdered. There are still Dormammu players in MVC:I, but none of them use it anymore. It was certainly ridiculous in the game's early life though.

fun fact related to that arakune air low thing: Peacock in Skullgirls had the same thing as her jump MK in early builds. It tracked better, too. imagine dealing with a mid air low whilst also dealing with Peacock zoning and dodging assists, knowing any stray conversion loses you 30-50% at best, and tod at worst if theyve got the sauce

@Dasaltwarrior

Жыл бұрын

Someone in old Lab Zero be fucking EVIL for coming up with that character

@pyromaniacforhire

Жыл бұрын

WTF?! THAT'S why we used to die so fucking fast to her back then?!!!

@WaluTime

Жыл бұрын

@@pyromaniacforhire I dunno if it even made it to launch. I know it was there in pre release vids off the top of my head. I got into SG when it came out on pc, wasnt there for console launch

@pyromaniacforhire

Жыл бұрын

@@WaluTime One our roommates back in uni had it back in the day when it first dropped, and we had gotten in on the beta program thing not long after (on PC).....Peacock and Cerebella were fricking nightmares.

Y'all already know where to find lord Sajam but twitter.com/Sajam Twitch.tv/Sajam KZread.com/@supermansajam

Mitsuru doing active damage to LK in real life is the universe trying to punish an unwholesome action

I wanna give a shoutout to Rev1 1.0 Johnny Mist Finer. Not only did it have the unblockable loops that he could do, and did a ton of damage, helped him convert etc etc (all of which still exist in the game), but it also gave him FIVE TIMES the meter on hit that it does now, funding every part of his gameplan 5 times better, including the unblockable loops. It was fuckin insane, and still is

@MECHA_DI

Жыл бұрын

Since rollback got added the Johnny mains have been unleashed to the public

I'm sorry, such a thing as an aerial low exists?! Yeah I think LK's perspective of fighting game moves that break conventions is pretty spot on when you're talking about broken moves. At least we're in an era where this stuff can get patched out...to a degree, apparently. I can't believe Trident Rush is that good in BOTH games...

Honestly thought this would be called attacks people STRONGLY dislike

@AdamJorgensen

Жыл бұрын

I strongly dislike your tone ;-)

@DoggyP00

Жыл бұрын

It's these videos that he saves strong words like "unfair" and "hate" for

@Darkscoper

Жыл бұрын

@@DoggyP00 iirc, the reason that videos are titled "STRONGLY DISLIKE" is because the algorithm doesn't like the word hate.

@hifuu1383

Жыл бұрын

@@Darkscoper Yes, I don't remember which video he said that in though.

There was that one person who competed in a P4A tournament with a two button stick with Mitsuru.

That knowing "Are you okay?" from Sajam at the end. When you've been through all the "things went wrong on stream."

Very impressive that Sajam managed to keep a straight face and stay very still throughout this video

Damn finally a collab with Diaphone

For me, I think one of the most broken moves I've ever seen was release MKX Quan Chi Trance. For those who are not aware, the Trance was a mid that would keep the opponent standing, they walk slowly towards you for like one second and cannot do anything. It's basically intended to be a combo extender so you would do basic string > trance > basic string > knockdown for like 30-35%. The problem is one of his variations called Summoner calls in a Bat. The bat can be controlled once by Quan Chi to fly and hit the opponent as a mid, a projectile, or a low. Now for the broken part. During early MKX, the trance was so long lasting, Quan Chi could summon the bat, AND setup a hard to blockable every time. So, every time you get hit, you get hit by trance, Quan Chi summons the bat, he sends the bat as a low while he overheads you which could hit low first or overhead first and no matter which hits, he will immediately trance you again and summon another bat over and over until you get lucky and block it.

LK talking to himself about fighting games with the talking png of sajam inside his head

Before superman, it was F3 Johnny Cage, same kind of situations almost, confirming 8frame advancing mid into full combo ending in nutpunch standing reset right back into the pressure.

CT was my first fighting game I owned for myself and actually tried to learn legitimately, and I don't think I'll ever recover from Arakune's jumping low. 11 year old me played "the floor is lava" with funny fast cat lady because I didn't want to deal with it. Nu and Carl taught me patience and how to take a loss, but Arakune taught me the fear of god

As sajam was explaining superman all I could think was: "So he's a dbfz character" forward advancing strings that's cancellable into plus frames, or at least safe, but if that advancing string hits 😨

@keybladeapologist.1131

Жыл бұрын

Yes but the other characters don't have tools to deal with these options

Yoooo a 45 min collab with Sajam? You’re spoiling us 😌 Also, I love hearing people complain about characters/moves (especially people who usually don’t complain) so I’d love to see this series keep going

@kevingriffith6011

Жыл бұрын

You know something is absolutely busted when the people who don't complain about anything complain about it.

I forgot about rose garden since it got nerfed so hard it barely gets used. Not to mention, that move is a lot more insane than I remembered. Marvel vs Capcom Infinite was lucky to get good patches on the truly broken stuff before support died. Without that, the competitive scene probably would not have lasted a year.

@jeremyroberts8822

Жыл бұрын

You know it’s a really shame infinite died out as quick as it did because despite its shortcomings the gameplay itself is actually hella fun. I get why a lot of people don’t like it and I know the roster was weak but I still enjoyed it. It didn’t fail sales wise as bad as people claim either, it sold over a million copies which is pretty good for a fighting game so hopefully we get another MVC someday

@acecun6202

11 ай бұрын

@@jeremyroberts8822The problem is the ceiling. It’s one of those games that’s not supportive of a new player base. Not cause the community is shit the community is great it’s just the learning curve of the game itself is steep. My very first MvC online match was me getting 100-0’d three characters in a row off one hit confirm. I by no means am new to fighting games I play everything from Smash to Tekken at a pretty high level and still ended up getting my shit ran

Two of the best fighting game content creators talking about some of the most fucked up moves in fighting games. Ya love to see it.

This series is so much fun, please make some more of these, keep up the good work LK!

I definitely need to binge this series! This was amazing!

Worth noting that Dorm’s rose garden got HUGELY nerfed. He has noticibly longer recovery and the duration is a bit over half of what it was on vanilla. It’s still a great move cause even if he didn’t have time to run mix, it’s a tag fighter so it’s just lockdown for your other guy. Dorm’s pretty solidly top 5 still. But this is honestly missing 2 major aspects of why it was broken. First off Vanilla reality stone basically covered you and meant you could set this up for free. But second, the big big one, it now goes away if dorm is hit. I can’t believe this wasn’t mentioned. Even if you escaped you still had to hold it, even if Dorm just set down the controller and you had a perfect angle on your jump, the majority of characters could not punish without just getting hit by carpet and giving Dorm a free combo. You’d straight up see people using it like an armor’d anti air, and taking the hit as you cast to bait them in.

@kyeblade06

Жыл бұрын

It shows him getting hit and staying out

I really enjoy these videos. Great stuff as always LK

It's weird listening to Sajam talk without seeing him fix his hair every second.

Goat stuff. Great series & killer collab nice job boys

This is such a fun and intriguing idea for a video series.

this was a great vid. top tier fg content!

oh, I love your music choices in this video!

Sajam seems nervous, he doesn't move his face the entire video. Relax!

great video, thanks Mr K.

Hell yeah, loved this collab!

i like how long this video is, i love hearing you guys just talk about this stuff lol

Been looking forward to this vid since I heard Sajam mention it!

a video so good im kicking 🥾😫 myself for missing other collab videos

I wonder if platform fighter moves will show up in this series. Smash 4 Witch Time and Limit Charge, or something from Brawl Meta Knight's kit come to mind. And Shine, of course.

@sigurdtheblue

Жыл бұрын

Bayonetta side b was also what made her broken. But since so many of these moves in the video were changed after a patch, I bet they would talk about things like Ultimate 1.0, which I saw a video on yesterday.

@Yee-Haw_Bird

Жыл бұрын

That would be a fun bit of conversation. One of the shines of course, maybe Falco Dair, Shulk’s Monado arts, Puff Bair, and could be fun if we saw some stuff from other platform fighters. Like Wrastor’s slipstream in Rivals or some stuff from Multiversus.

@sigurdtheblue

Жыл бұрын

@@Yee-Haw_Bird Multiversus seems to be really unbalanced with some things they introduce. I am guessing the Bugs Bunny rocket would be one move.

@kyeblade06

Жыл бұрын

@@sigurdtheblue i thought it would just be finn backpack

@anothenblue2630

Жыл бұрын

Aside from Neutral B, there isn't really any single move in Meta Knight's kit that is broken and even then, you could argue that it doesn't stand out that much from his kit. The problem is that most of his moveset is godly AND most characters in the game are garbage, either due to sucking on their own (Ivysaur) or being screwed over by awful core gameplay (Captain Falcon).

Hidden Missiles needs to be in this series if it isn't already. That move does everything. EVERYTHING. Also, Azwel's low-axe grab. I don't know the input (2A+B I think?), but Azwel as a whole definitely can get some entries on this list. Which makes sense considering he's the successor to Algol. Speaking of Algol, dude has multiple GOOD projectiles in freaking Soul Calibur of all games. SC4 Algol was a nightmare. And while I'm still on the SC train, SC4 Hilde, just the entire character in general for being able to ring out basically anyone from basically anywhere on basically every map. And finally, the one that annoyed me the most playing casually, SC6 Seong-Mina's insane lightning poke. Absolutely degenerate, insanely braindead, absolutely obliterates some matchups all on its own.

Love Sajam. Great video Lk!

Idk how this was recorded, but Sajam is mixed WAY lower than LK and I have to keep adjusting my volume so I can hear hear him, then LK blows out my speakers

I am loving the retrospectives on despicable fighting game moves.

Ive been loving the collab content from the FGC creators recently. We all eatin good this week lol

This is such a banger video concept you fuckin struck gold. I gotta see lord kizzie next

I love the energy of sajam's face being a disappointed stare while you're a video

LK for sure gave us some good and strong moves in FG, but Sajam obviously is showing us the moves that divide nations.

I thought it was a Sajam vid on his own channel when I initially saw the thumbnail ngl LMAO

trident rush was hilarious fr tho this was a cool video its like, fighting game history? its so interesting to look back on

i like these types of videos

Yo props on the Wii shop channel in the background... Certified bop before they were bops

My two favorite fgc creators lets goooooo

This vid is so raw

Two of my most important content creators.

Aerial lows are fun. I play Sakura in Fate/UC and her 214C is a low regardless of if she uses it on the ground or in the air. (It's also negative edge)

honorable mention : akuma & eliza metered uppercuts. Will duck under MIDS, comes out insanely fast, and can be used from a standard down jab . Simply amazing .

Geeezzz Maya was plain broken lol

LK + Sajam make a really good team for videos, hopefully they collaborate more

20:00 UI goku 5L wasn't just easy to use though, it was very flexible! You could beat out most jump ins, normals, sometimes even vanishes! The massive hitbox, good active frames for fast startup, and his kit's overall ease of converting into a combo off it... that thing was horrifying.

I've watched a few of these, and I'm actually surprised I never saw CS Litchi DP or CS2 Hotinjin from Hazama quite yet. Maybe they weren't as broken as I remember, but I did figure I'd hear about one of those from you, Lord Knight. Take your Sub, LK. I've been thoroughly esports entertained by your vids this past week.

@LordKnightfgc

8 ай бұрын

Litchi's best version of dp is CT IIRC, but she couldn't RC it so I think it was pretty fair. Houtenjin is DEFINITELY stupid, but not broke

@iskander0725

8 ай бұрын

@@LordKnightfgc Well, you ask me, the guy whose roommate mained Hazama for all of CS, and I would disagree on Houtenjin being broke. Lololololol. I kid man. Those were just two moves that always stuck to my brain and all my aerial Tao approaches back in the day. It really has been a fun ride going through and getting reminders of all the broken things in Arksys games.

Sajam has been talking more Injustice and I think he's having PTSD.

What about Lab Coat's 1 bar, damn near unreactable, grab that reduces your damage output by 20%? And pre "nerfed" where it was frame one invincible, unpunishable, comboed, hit otg, hit in block stun, and pulled you out the corner by a pixel to super into 21's level 3 50/50?

Thank you for this blessing, my Lord. Praise be.

Damn u got the sajam thumbnail and evrything

Sajam's in game name for KI being Bonk Chonkler gives me life

I would also add: Tekken 1 King's DF1. This move is a 14 frame active mid that is +7 on hit(the quickest move you have in this game is 8 frame) and on block guess the frames... It's +93. Yup. really. You literally have forever to do whatever you want after getting this move blocked. Combos easily do 70% with like 3 hits, and with some practice, you can death combo them easily. This was an old game, but this move was... *phew* something else.

You talking about Michiru 5a Makes me think of Them's Fightin' Herds Season 1 Oleander 5A, where like... in TFH, it's universal, EVERYBODY'S 5A is frame 5, and Oleander's was completely disjointed and huge because it'd smack you with the book. you basically couldn't challenge Oleander at round start because she could reach you with 5A and you had to respect it. she could stagger it for looping pressure or it made for an excellent wakeup option because attempting to meaty her could result in her doing her 22D teleport and waking up invincible, but 5A was faster than most things characters could do after seeing her wake up normally. 5A was also gigantic enough to cover people's tech roll on wake-up and could challenge SO many buttons because of the disjoint.

@Yee-Haw_Bird

Жыл бұрын

It used to be even more disjointed than it is now? Goddamn, I didn’t know her 5A was even more privileged than current. Then again if old tfh is on the menu Ole’s J2C might need to be mentioned.

@ClexYoshi

Жыл бұрын

@@Yee-Haw_Bird yeah, it used to not move her forward, but also like.. she wouldn't extend her hurtbox at all. the entirety of the book was just a big ol' hitbox she'd put out at frame 5 and some characters just had to hold it.

Sajam got 5th at Combo Breaker 2015 for KI, I had no idea

looking at this video after the creation of the Sajam Face PFP Multiverse is incredibly funny

how was sajam able to stay completely still like that the whole time

@docs.a.t.7161

Жыл бұрын

LIVE SAJAM REACTION:

Injustice one trident rush a lot of people fell out lol. So you could punish on hit assuming he burns a meter

I cant believe you actually tricked me into thinking this was from sajam's channel with the thumbnail lmao

Breaking the A button is what happened to me playing Dante in umvc3 (Medium button)

lordknight seems like such a sweet cool dude

this vid was great and weird at the same time. Sajams whole thing in insisting every character has answer to every situation in every game no matter what. And then to see him finally admit there ARE broken characters in fighting games is wild

LK's streak of amazing team-ups continues

kim ex hangetsuzan in kof 13 needs its own video, low invoncible move that flies across the screen, anti airs, is plus on block, is a combo starter, air version is fully invincible lmao

This content was tight

sagat's crouching fierce didn't get a mention? damn

Litchi's Matembo was legit versatile (we wanted to learn her SOOOOO BAD back in the day, but skill issues.......so we learned Bang and Ragna instead).

Ivan Ooze from Mighty Morphin' Power Range The fighting edition could pretty much take every spot in this whole video. He's a playable hidden boss character akin to Akuma in SFII Turbo but broken beyond measure. Once you've seen what he can do, every other fighting game character (Jo jo bird, Brawl Meta Knight, Launch Maya, etc.) all looks tame in comparison. I hope you or Sajam look him up one day.

@numa2k147

Жыл бұрын

He's pretty notorious, the community has looked into him alot already, and I think they're talking about competitive play. Ooze is a crazy character tho

@yureiotakughost9464

Жыл бұрын

AH HELL NAH HE MAKES PETSHOP LOOK TAME??!!!

@DrizzleCrow

Жыл бұрын

@@yureiotakughost9464 I would be lying to you if I said Petshop could even win a round against a competent Ooze. He's a 10-0 matchup against everybody else in the game. It's that unfair.

@WaluTime

Жыл бұрын

@@yureiotakughost9464 he is basically just better petshop, imagine if petshop could summon Soul Satellite instead of an icicle to get out of block pressure. except he can do it while hes being hit and combo break for free and kill you

If we’re talking mechanics not moves, V-ism from alpha 3 comes to mind.

"This is his second appearance on the show though." Yes. Arakune is, in fact, that fucking bullshit.

I haven't watched even one second of the video yet (for real) and all i can think about is "BALLOOON"

I'm honestly surprised you didn't go for izamami ribcage or elphelt pineberry tbh. Or any sign elphelt moves LOL

I fuckin love this. Arakune is on point

the instant kills in Guilty Gear 1, no bias, definitely didn't get hit and mess up the dodge

at least kune's jD make sense as an aerial low, it's dirty but kinda makes sense. And arc sys isnt foreign to animations not matching what's happening, notably Faust's 2K looking like a jank overhead and A LOT of Dust (before xrd added the red glow too)

Sabretooth's aerial throw in X:Men Next Dimension. It's bugged. There's a way to make it teleport you to your opponent, and infinite combo it. Grab, maul, throw your opponent away, jump backwards, repeat.

How did I know the second KI was shown, it would be Maya fireball? There is no part of that move that was bad

@jeremyroberts8822

Жыл бұрын

I honestly don’t know what they were thinking when they put that in the game, how did anyone think that was okay?

bowling bash!

i heard the word Aquaman and just went ''uh oh''

Saw Sajam in the thumbnail and got confused...

@LordKnightfgc

Жыл бұрын

He's in the vid so I thought there was no better way to show that in the thumb than the good ol Sajam smile hahaha

@TrueUnderDawgGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@LordKnightfgc Oh for sure! It was a great way to get me to click and I was very happy to see you both in the video :D

Damn he’s good.