Verbal Aspect & Navajo Madness

An intro into the wonderful world of verbal aspect.
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Пікірлер: 641

  • @memnun5615
    @memnun56155 жыл бұрын

    "I will used to work here" is the rawest way to give your two weeks

  • @muffinhead2164

    @muffinhead2164

    3 жыл бұрын

    yes, especially considering that by using the past tense making it feel like a "future past habitual"

  • @andresmandianes2891

    @andresmandianes2891

    Жыл бұрын

    But “I’ll be working here” would convey the same meaning, with the imperfective aspect, wouldn’t it?

  • @somebodyelse9130

    @somebodyelse9130

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@andresmandianes2891 No. "I'll be working here" means that, in the future, you will work at that place. "I will used to work here" isn't grammatically correct English, but if it were, it would mean that in the future, you will have stopped working there.

  • @alexlietz-qv2mw

    @alexlietz-qv2mw

    Ай бұрын

    I will have used to work here

  • @aze4308

    @aze4308

    8 сағат бұрын

    I’ll’ve used to work here

  • @augiespendley3389
    @augiespendley33895 жыл бұрын

    That Navajo example got dark very quickly

  • @merrittanimation7721

    @merrittanimation7721

    5 жыл бұрын

    I agree

  • @rayelgatubelo

    @rayelgatubelo

    5 жыл бұрын

    Considering the unfortunate Native American tendency towards alcoholism...

  • @lukeloegering1029

    @lukeloegering1029

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: There is a high rate of alcoholism but also Native Americans have the highest rates of total alcohol abstinence of any racial group.

  • @GallowglassAxe

    @GallowglassAxe

    5 жыл бұрын

    In the United States people want to make English the official language. Originally I proposed that we should make a Native language the official language. Navajo is off the list.

  • @liammurray2318

    @liammurray2318

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@GallowglassAxe On that note, maybe we could have a US citizen test that's basically a Navajo language test? Isolationists and indigenous activists could finally get behind the same thing! /s

  • @OHYS
    @OHYS5 жыл бұрын

    All I hear is Artifexian saying words I havent heard before

  • @johnhooyer3101

    @johnhooyer3101

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure you've heard the word "Interwebs" once or twice :)

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Anti-fascist something

  • @smartart6841

    @smartart6841

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yea,i never heard of the word: "a"

  • @carolev.5648
    @carolev.56485 жыл бұрын

    The infamous "eureka" (I found it!) is actually the Greek perfect of the verb meaning "to search": because once you've completed your searching (perfect aspect), it means you've found what you were looking for.

  • @iMacxXuserXx485

    @iMacxXuserXx485

    9 ай бұрын

    Yes, and it's a funny thing for English speakers to realize they are the ones who are complicating things by using two different verbs for the concept of searching (find and search) when they are really the same action but just different aspects. Usually English speakers are complaining about languages like Russian doing this with other verbs.

  • @lik7953

    @lik7953

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@iMacxXuserXx485is it the same thing? Let's say "I have searched". That doesn't necessarily mean I've found what I'm looking for, only that I'm done looking.

  • @jean-francoisleduc3319

    @jean-francoisleduc3319

    5 ай бұрын

    Why INfamous?

  • @patrickhodson8715
    @patrickhodson87155 жыл бұрын

    “PERFECT OF RECENCY” YES! THIS! You have given me the words to express a grammatical difference between American English and British English that I’ve been passively trying for years to understand and explain. We Americans don’t tend to use the perfect of recently. Where a Brit would say “I’ve just seen Opal,” an American (at least this one, from Kansas) would say “I just saw Opal.” To my American ears, saying “I’ve just seen Opal” either sounds like I just saw Opal, but, like... very Britishly... or it sounds like I’ve only merely seen Opal (like the perfect of experience). Perhaps she’s a coworker but I’ve never worked with her or talked to her, I’ve just seen her. (This one only works because of the double meaning of the adverb “just”)

  • @Designed1

    @Designed1

    5 ай бұрын

    you can clarify between the perfect of experience and the perfect of recency by saying "i've only seen Opal"

  • @javindhillon6294

    @javindhillon6294

    3 ай бұрын

    As an American from the Inland PNW, I can confirm there are some regions of the US that are more split on the issue

  • @NikolajLepka
    @NikolajLepka5 жыл бұрын

    I mean you can say "I will have used to work here" which basically means you don't work here now, but expect to work there in the future, and then even further in the future you expect to not work there anymore

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    You could but it's super, super marked and definitely not 'correct' English.

  • @NikolajLepka

    @NikolajLepka

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Artifexian it sounds natural enough though

  • @tristanholderness4223

    @tristanholderness4223

    5 жыл бұрын

    sounds perfectly natural to me too, just super marked as you say and so unlikely to be used except in a small number of very specific circumstances

  • @Lucy-ng7cw

    @Lucy-ng7cw

    5 жыл бұрын

    Niko L it’s used that’s the problem. Maybe “I will have once used to work here?” Or “I will have used to work here in the future.” Neither feel right.

  • @tristanholderness4223

    @tristanholderness4223

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Lucy-ng7cw A: didn't you used to work here? B: I will have used to work here. I handed my notice in today It's a humourous mirroring of the structure of the question rather than what would otherwise be said, but it sounds grammatical to me

  • @Vexillographer
    @Vexillographer5 жыл бұрын

    Navajo represent! :) Still trying my best to learn my nation's language, but it's gonna take a while with all our verb tenses, heh. Thanks for mentioning us, Artifexian! Ahéhee'!

  • @yadielnieves2894

    @yadielnieves2894

    5 жыл бұрын

    Duolingo's coming out with a course soon! Can't wait! Same here, I'm learning my NA language of my ancestors.

  • @ashwinmiyer6159

    @ashwinmiyer6159

    5 жыл бұрын

    What does Ahéhee mean?

  • @kurtjordan2838

    @kurtjordan2838

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Ashwin M Iyer "Thank you"

  • @ashwinmiyer6159

    @ashwinmiyer6159

    5 жыл бұрын

    Kurt Jordan Ahéhee'!

  • @kurtjordan2838

    @kurtjordan2838

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Ashwin M Iyer Aoo’ bíighah 👌🏽

  • @TasnuArakun
    @TasnuArakun5 жыл бұрын

    It took me a long time to wrap my head around the concept of aspect. My native language is Swedish which, like German, doesn't have grammatical aspect. I still managed to learn English but could never get the preterite and imperfect right in Spanish. It wasn't until I started taking an interest in Chinese (which is all about aspect) that it finally clicked. Swedish does have a neat trick when it comes to marking the progressive aspect though: just add another verb with a strong inherent progressive aspect. "I sit and watch KZread" = "I'm watching KZread". "I stand and make food" = "I'm making food".

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    You'd have relative difficulty learning my conlang then. There is no tense My aspects are: imperfective, Perfective, perfect, progressive, habitual The citation form is the Perfective, while habitual is used depending on the type of verb it is, and changes between dialects. Progressive and Imperfective are pretty normal, but perfect is very hard to understand when it plays a role in semantics

  • @smergthedargon8974

    @smergthedargon8974

    3 ай бұрын

    @@parthiancapitalist2733 Conlangers don't bring up their conlang completely unprompted challenge (impossible)

  • @nowalmart2146

    @nowalmart2146

    2 ай бұрын

    hahahaha ​@@smergthedargon8974

  • @krvykube2810
    @krvykube28105 жыл бұрын

    I've always disliked the fact that "used to" can only be used in one form; converting "You used to do that" to a question yields "Did you use to do that" or "Did you used to do that," which both seem wrong even though they're still in the same tense and being used in exactly the same way.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Huh! I use the second one all the time. Might just be a Hiberno-English thing though.

  • @Ggdivhjkjl

    @Ggdivhjkjl

    5 жыл бұрын

    In historic texts I've seen "ust to" which makes a lot of sense.

  • @codekillerz5392

    @codekillerz5392

    5 жыл бұрын

    Artifexian Definitely not. I’m on the east coast of the U.S. The second one is used all the time around here.

  • @windsaw151

    @windsaw151

    5 жыл бұрын

    Funny that you mention hiberno-english here. I am a german learning the irish language and usually it seems a german can relate to the grammatical features of Irish more than an english speaker can. However, when it comes to the imperfect, the english translation "used to" is very fitting while the germany language is a bit ambiguous here. (often requires words to specify what kind of imperfect aspect is meant, like "often" or "for a long time")

  • @d3ada5tronaut

    @d3ada5tronaut

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think “didn’t you used to do that?” And all its variants should be considered almost correct by now due tho the sheer usefulness of the phrase and its frequency and universality in the language. Also it’s kinda funny because I’ve said used to so many times in my head it’s become this meaningless “yustu” thing to me. It’s kinda like when you realize that in your dialect curtain is pronounced “Kert’n”

  • @matthagen67
    @matthagen675 жыл бұрын

    I am a linguist by education and I absolutely love this channel.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Coool! Thanks for watching, pal.

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh ur a linguist? Cool! I'd like to discuss conlanging

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Here's an example from my conlang: "I, as the king, am oppressed by parliament" - [oppress-1s-PROG PAS king-NOM-SUB parliament-ACC] - (mitta-s-la le ena-m-ere menisra-i (should be e but it's i after vowels) Mittasla le enamere menisrai

  • @Bonniebelle_00__
    @Bonniebelle_00__5 жыл бұрын

    Love the Steven universe reference

  • @Green-pn7kq

    @Green-pn7kq

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yeah that confused me for half a second before I remembered SU

  • @pablomorralla3256

    @pablomorralla3256

    3 жыл бұрын

    x2

  • @TyeFuchs

    @TyeFuchs

    3 жыл бұрын

    I missed it! Where was it?

  • @robenkhoury7079

    @robenkhoury7079

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@TyeFuchs It starts at 2:45!

  • @abyssalboy8811
    @abyssalboy88114 жыл бұрын

    8:56 Gnomic When an action has been done with playfully malicious intentions by a gnome.

  • @WatermelonEnthusiast9

    @WatermelonEnthusiast9

    3 жыл бұрын

    My favorite aspect

  • @ericpowell96
    @ericpowell965 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate the way you break down languages and actually explain the way they work. I know you had to end the video early, but I think you should do some videos specific to the languages you mentioned here... Mad props for doing such good work.

  • @PrimetimePaskell
    @PrimetimePaskell5 жыл бұрын

    the second i saw the navajo example i was expecting to see toxicity on it in the comments but the ones that touch on that seem to be more chill about it, not accepting of it but chill. corrections such as those are the ones that all internet corrections should be like.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fully agree.

  • @smergthedargon8974
    @smergthedargon89745 жыл бұрын

    "Soon, I'll used to have worked here." Doesn't that work?

  • @firstnamelastname7244

    @firstnamelastname7244

    4 жыл бұрын

    Not if you want to get hired.

  • @ronaldotakhashi7767

    @ronaldotakhashi7767

    4 жыл бұрын

    You added "have", or the perfect aspect, so "Soon, I'll used to worked here." is still wrong

  • @WatermelonEnthusiast9

    @WatermelonEnthusiast9

    3 жыл бұрын

    Soon, i will have worked here

  • @smergthedargon8974

    @smergthedargon8974

    11 ай бұрын

    My thought with this is it'd make sense if you were talking to an employee of the building you're in, and you used to work there, then quit, and have been rehired but haven't started working yet. Thus, "I will used to have worked here."

  • @TaiFerret
    @TaiFerret5 жыл бұрын

    "I am knowing" is perfectly fine in Japanese.

  • @hustlewithhimanshu8899

    @hustlewithhimanshu8899

    3 жыл бұрын

    Also in Hindi

  • @shreyanshmohta

    @shreyanshmohta

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hustlewithhimanshu8899 wait how??🤔😶

  • @hustlewithhimanshu8899

    @hustlewithhimanshu8899

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@shreyanshmohta Tum jaan rahe ho main kya kah raha hun. (you're knowing what I'm saying.)

  • @marcrosen999

    @marcrosen999

    3 жыл бұрын

    What does it mean compared to 'I know'?

  • @TaiFerret

    @TaiFerret

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@marcrosen999 You have to use the continuous form of the verb "shiru" in order to express the concept of knowing, otherwise it would be more like "to learn" or "to get to know". The plain forms of Japanese stative verbs express an inchoative aspect (the beginning of a state).

  • @chriscormier1660
    @chriscormier16605 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely videos that pack in so much if for this. Thank you for taking the time to be so thorough!

  • @samrichardson5971
    @samrichardson59715 жыл бұрын

    I’m going to have to watch your grammar videos again several times when I make my own conlang! Great video as always!

  • @yannikmullis7136
    @yannikmullis71365 жыл бұрын

    I've watched the whole conlang playlist in a few days and enjoyed it really much, so take this comment as one big general like. I'd be very happy to hear more from you about the topic, but if not, I want to thank you that you share your hobby with us making high quality videos, that are free and accessible to everyone.

  • @TheDustyForest
    @TheDustyForest5 жыл бұрын

    Another great video Edgar 👍

  • @johnhooyer3101
    @johnhooyer31015 жыл бұрын

    Edgar, thank you for referring me to the Cambridge series on linguistics. I have a few of those books now and will be reading the specific one that you mentioned here, as well as their book on mood and modality. When I have a spare day. Which hopefully will be soon.

  • @OmegaTaishu
    @OmegaTaishu5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the hard work on these vids. Here's my question for the QA: What do you think about developing different accents for your conlangs?

  • @txikitofandango
    @txikitofandango5 жыл бұрын

    I am loving this video!

  • @carlnilson273
    @carlnilson2732 жыл бұрын

    This is a gem among excellent videos about grammar.

  • @ronlinetsky2095
    @ronlinetsky20955 жыл бұрын

    everytime you upload a video i watch it like 30 times

  • @cassieedmonds3832
    @cassieedmonds38325 жыл бұрын

    that haircut! ❤ lookin good artifexian!

  • @Redu3
    @Redu32 жыл бұрын

    Jesus, this was an excellent explanation of lexical aspect. Thank you :)

  • @thomasjenkins5727
    @thomasjenkins57275 жыл бұрын

    Too good to not comment on. Love how you really dig the way languages over-complicate things.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I know it's great. Languages are bananas...love 'em. :)

  • @mariabaxter8843
    @mariabaxter88435 жыл бұрын

    If you're passionate on a certain topic, will you ever make a longer more in depth video on it?

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Probably not. There's only so much time I can give to this topic unfortunately.

  • @jahimalnar7978

    @jahimalnar7978

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@Artifexian This is me personally, but I wouldn't mind a 30 to hour long language video

  • @chanyeolswife5235

    @chanyeolswife5235

    5 жыл бұрын

    Matthew Then me neither. I want more. ☺

  • @Marjiance26

    @Marjiance26

    5 жыл бұрын

    Matthew Then same

  • @gorilaogorila835
    @gorilaogorila8353 жыл бұрын

    This video is a gem.

  • @du1987de
    @du1987de5 жыл бұрын

    I am equally fascinated and utterly overwhelmed by the complexity of languages. I wish I could really get my head round this stuff.

  • @56independent42

    @56independent42

    10 ай бұрын

    Most of it comes down to terminology. There's a difference between "temporal-activated atonal activity" and "an activity which repeats at certain times"

  • @wrrwvv
    @wrrwvv4 жыл бұрын

    I've always wanted to understand the ridiculous world of language-which-is-used-to-describe-language (tense being the very tip of the iceberg) - and I have found these videos incredibly clear and information dense, and am greatly grateful for them! thank you

  • @timothymclean
    @timothymclean5 жыл бұрын

    So, in an aspect where future im/perfective verbs are mentioned, there are Steven Universe references but no Hitchiker's Guide references?

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've been watching SU recently, it's been on my mind.

  • @Carmenifold

    @Carmenifold

    5 жыл бұрын

    I've been wondering if you had seen it or not, cause it has some nifty worldbuilding

  • @BonaparteBardithion

    @BonaparteBardithion

    5 жыл бұрын

    Of all the quasi-exposure I've had to the show, this tidbit might actually make me break down and watch it.

  • @zulthyr1852

    @zulthyr1852

    5 жыл бұрын

    Steven Universe fan lol

  • @Omni315

    @Omni315

    5 жыл бұрын

    Actually sir, there doesn't ever have existed any Hitchhiker's references, but this is hardly the time to be conjugating temporal verbs in the past impossible never tense!

  • @fyviane
    @fyviane5 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear about Navajo grammar

  • @Sabersonic
    @Sabersonic5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting video as always, Edgar. Especially the portion of lexicon aspect which seems all the more interesting. Still, it is interesting to know what one CAN'T do with either form of aspect rather than what they CAN do since it really forces a wordbuilder to really think And considering how wide a d diverse the aspect subject is due to your mention of the various links in the description, it would probably be best for one to not go too deep into it without a few conlang under their belt. Still, a useful video to ponder.

  • @samuels3314
    @samuels33145 жыл бұрын

    Woohoo! Artifexian! Woo! Woo! Woo!

  • @jonahisparanoid1767
    @jonahisparanoid17673 жыл бұрын

    the references are to die for

  • @lavendersugar143
    @lavendersugar1434 жыл бұрын

    I'm really glad you called out the linguistic terminology for being Like That because all of the way-too-similar terms were making it hard to process it all

  • @sapphis_lazuli
    @sapphis_lazuli2 жыл бұрын

    as soon as he starts describing navajo i start crying. every time

  • @tr-h7217
    @tr-h72175 жыл бұрын

    I miss the old background music from right before the cryogenical freezing

  • @Shawkster6
    @Shawkster65 жыл бұрын

    I love this

  • @ttmcoffee6806
    @ttmcoffee68065 жыл бұрын

    New video yeee We need an Artifexian Discord server

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jakub Kalfa YES!!

  • @lhebert6305
    @lhebert63055 жыл бұрын

    firstly, 10/10 steven universe reference, and secondly THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THESE. i'm learning spanish atm and honesly i've got no clue on different verb tenses other than the basic present and preterite of the indicative mood

  • @KellyNaylor
    @KellyNaylor5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, Edgar! This one was fascinating, especially because I've been attempting to Navajo. I have not been successful. It's MUCH harder than Irish!

  • @tylerowens
    @tylerowens5 жыл бұрын

    Q&A question: If you could introduce one feature from another language into English, what would it be?

  • @echoambiance4470

    @echoambiance4470

    5 жыл бұрын

    I'd introduce the cyrilic alphabet. Just to fuck with people.

  • @chricechiu3673

    @chricechiu3673

    5 жыл бұрын

    Echo Ambiance Good Idea! I'll introduce the overcomplicated Japanese writing system then!

  • @echoambiance4470

    @echoambiance4470

    5 жыл бұрын

    Naturally, at the same time as cyrillic, oh, and the han character for "enzyme"

  • @krvykube2810

    @krvykube2810

    5 жыл бұрын

    ah yes kay(f)dan(f)san(t)ap(t)vlir(t)sang(b)es(p)u(t)vom(b)ngag(t)vlim(p)kay(f)sna(f)kay(f)ga(f) bop(t)veg(p)daf(f)shof(b)*om(p)vlim(p)ga(f)vlim(p)ga(f)

  • @MisterSketch4

    @MisterSketch4

    5 жыл бұрын

    Phonetic spelling!

  • @Ggdivhjkjl
    @Ggdivhjkjl5 жыл бұрын

    I have the bell button clicked. Why did I not receive a notification for this? Thankfully I happened to be checking the page anyway.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Because youtube couldn't care less about me or you or anyone other than massive musicians and late night talk show hosts.

  • @peabody1976
    @peabody19765 жыл бұрын

    Checking the "doobly-doo" for references...

  • @sully9767

    @sully9767

    5 жыл бұрын

    I miss the doobly-doo

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    People were getting confused. I had to stop… :(

  • @mehrheitler

    @mehrheitler

    5 жыл бұрын

    I was also confused and did not understand why it’s called like that here but did not see it as a reason to stop… I mean… that’s a fine example of how meaning of a new word is obvious from the context, the thing language learners face constantly, they should grasp it…

  • @thewalkingforest5185
    @thewalkingforest51855 жыл бұрын

    This gave me flashbacks to the Preterite and Imperfect sections from Spanish class

  • @-centagon6122
    @-centagon61225 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos! If you take suggestions from comments (which, sense you have a patreon, I'm not sure if you do or not), I would love to see a video on creating alien species or original races or something along those lines.

  • @sully9767

    @sully9767

    5 жыл бұрын

    I think Edgar sort of implies that it's super complex and individual to your world that you've made. And your own tastes. But I think he does go over how certain topics affect and are affected by biology and biochemistry.

  • @sorenrohrbach2361
    @sorenrohrbach23615 жыл бұрын

    Cool video as always. Long time subscriber and I was wondering how much you know about deep sea environments like the sulfur vents/brine pools? I had a cool idea about a race of medieval-tech crustaceous people on an ice-shell planet who's culture revolves around the livestock they cultivate around the vents/pools. Does a sci-fi sea life video sound like something you'd do in the future?

  • @Kingstar1139
    @Kingstar11393 жыл бұрын

    Perfective and imperfective are not the only basic way to divide up aspects, it is the most common in European languages but not the only one. For example, the gnomic and episodic. The gnomic marks the action as being a general truth. The episodic marks the action as being a one-off thing. There are also loads of other aspectual distinctions that doesn't really fit into your aspect tree. Such as: the defective (the action is/was/will be about to occur), the pausative (the action has/will/ is stopping for a while) & the resumptive (the action has/is/ will start to happen again). Other than that, great video.

  • @DominoPivot
    @DominoPivot5 жыл бұрын

    Ouch, that was not an easy topic to assimilate. I'll certainly need to rewatch that when I come up with verbs for my own conlang. It doesn't help that I'm not exactly familiar with the English grammar terms as I speak French. But I don't think there was any way to make this topic easier to understand, you did a pretty good job at summing it up. Edit: rewatching this now that I've read more about syntax and morphosyntax (and with a proper night of sleep) and it makes much more sense :)

  • @uwu-0009
    @uwu-00095 жыл бұрын

    your hair suits you super well!!

  • @matthewgilbie4087
    @matthewgilbie40875 жыл бұрын

    Man I missed that smooth jazz

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Jaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzz! ::waves hands like a 20s Flapper girl::

  • @alan2here
    @alan2here5 жыл бұрын

    Moment completed, thank goodness or I'd have to try it again , time to move on to the next moment.

  • @LAMarshall
    @LAMarshall5 жыл бұрын

    Edgar: "Or true auxilliary verbs and periphrasis, like in English." Me: *writes down periphrasis to find a definition later* Edgar: *GIVES DEFINITION* Thanks Artifexian! ^^;

  • @zeljkoobradovic3445
    @zeljkoobradovic34455 жыл бұрын

    You can also split perfective. My language splits it into 3 categories. The whole action: Skočiti (to jump) Skočio sam - I jumped The beginning of an action Potrčati (to start running) Potrčao sam ka noj čim sam je video - I started running to her as soon as I saw her And the end of an action Pročitati (to finish reading) Pročitao sam knjigu juče - I finished reading the book yesterday. You can see by the English translation that everything is in the past tense because there can't be perfective present (the same reason as in the video for Russian). Also every verb in English has at least 2 different verbs in my language: poskočiti (to start jumping), skočiti (to jump), preskočiti (to finish jumping).

  • @JoelFeila

    @JoelFeila

    5 жыл бұрын

    what languages is that

  • @zeljkoobradovic3445

    @zeljkoobradovic3445

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@JoelFeila Serbian

  • @prezentoappr1171

    @prezentoappr1171

    Жыл бұрын

    so inchoative perfect and telic?

  • @JoelFeila
    @JoelFeila5 жыл бұрын

    this video is a real gem. but the idea I had for a verb system was have a prefix that starts when the verb started and a suffix for when it ended. this would make all verbs nonintanious.

  • @incorporealnuance
    @incorporealnuance4 жыл бұрын

    steven universe references: I sleep "Navajo has 12 primary aspects" : *homestuck reference alarm bells start going off in my brain*

  • @vladthemagnificent9052
    @vladthemagnificent90525 жыл бұрын

    amazing

  • @LinguaPhiliax
    @LinguaPhiliax5 жыл бұрын

    You are one of the two KZreadrs I've seen who has mentioned stuff about Australian languages. Would you ever want to learn one, and if so which one? I'm teaching myself Gamilaraay, Kunwinjku and Yagara.

  • @yadielnieves2894

    @yadielnieves2894

    5 жыл бұрын

    Woah, that's super cool. Australian Aboriginal languages. Us indigenous have to stick together, JK. I would like to learn one.

  • @anselmschueler
    @anselmschueler5 жыл бұрын

    Hey, you skipped "Terminal" in your list of subaspects - at least the video and the audio disagree. Also, would it be possible to subdivide the Perfective?

  • @probropalzgaming9989
    @probropalzgaming99894 жыл бұрын

    I will have been able to have used to work here.

  • @luxshokk
    @luxshokk5 жыл бұрын

    8:13 It looks like you forgot Terminal in the voice recording and just faded it in together with Prolongative. And you didn't think we'd notice! :P

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    No I knew well you'd spot it. But it wasn't worth recording the whole audio just for one word.

  • @zozzy4630
    @zozzy46303 жыл бұрын

    English seems to occasionally allow stative verbs to take the progressive aspect in specific circumstances, such as in "I am loving these new shoes!" or "He's being a bad sport about it." Does anyone have an explanation for why those constructions are allowed but "I am knowing" isn't? I'm wracking my brain to find a pattern, but I really can't.

  • @christopherellis2663
    @christopherellis26635 жыл бұрын

    Activity :state Transitive : intransitive Wiradjuri has one where an activity has been interrupted, then continued. (as in to stop to eat or sleep) such as travelling. ..

  • @minewarz
    @minewarz5 жыл бұрын

    I might do a school project about conlangs. I'm thinking about creating a (basis for a) constructive language as the experimental stage of the project. Do you have any advice how to go about it?

  • @parthiancapitalist2733
    @parthiancapitalist27335 жыл бұрын

    Also I'm gonna have progressive aspect on activity and state. It seems interesting

  • @bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642
    @bvthebalkananarchistmapper56425 жыл бұрын

    I don't know if this should go to Q&A, or if only a reply comment would be more acceptable, but here it goes: Now, one time when I was swimming recently when I was on vacation in Čanj, I remembered that, when it comes to writing, Korea is the most forward of all nations, because they use a featural alphabetical. So, I thought: "What if every language had their own featural alphabet?". And then, I remembered that, previous summer, in 2017, I got crazy deep into the Oa writing system you developed for your Oa conlang. Then, I got this crazy idea: "Could I, perhaps, take the Oa featural and modify it for my language? Add glyphs, remove glyphs and use some glyphs that in Oa represent a sound my language doesn't have for a similar sound that my language has and Oa doesn't? Before I do anything, I gotta wait for the next Artifexian video to ask Edgar for permission...". And that basically why I'm making this comment now, so I could ask you: May I use and modify the Oa featural for my language?

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Sure pal. Go for it. :)

  • @bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642

    @bvthebalkananarchistmapper5642

    5 жыл бұрын

    +Artifexian Thanks.

  • @ChefRafi
    @ChefRafi5 жыл бұрын

    Very well done. I made a Navajo video too but just speaking, no grammatical description.

  • @ianr4343
    @ianr43435 жыл бұрын

    Q&A: What would you believe to be the ideal vowel-consonant ratio in a language, and how is Oa doing?

  • @dontyouhigh
    @dontyouhigh5 жыл бұрын

    The perfect aspect seems to be just the present tense of the perfective aspect: an complete action in the present (it has been completed in some time in the near past, but it affects the present).

  • @torin1006
    @torin10065 жыл бұрын

    In Latin, it works like so: Guide: I you he/she/it we y'all they Present: -o/m -s -t -mus -tis -nt Past imperfect: -bam -bas -bat -bamus -batis -bant Past perfect: -i -isti -it -imus -istis -erunt

  • @iniddor4454

    @iniddor4454

    5 жыл бұрын

    Oh, you don't know how much I'd like it was like that... And I'm Italian, so verbs are the easiest part! Ok, let me explain: There are eight modes, a looot of tenses for each mode, active form, passive form, reflexive form... Oh, what am I doing, I'm wasting time, I have to do like 20 translations I haven't done during the whole summer for the next week 😂😂

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Latin - simple complexity Such a great language

  • @jeremieherard2166
    @jeremieherard21665 жыл бұрын

    Awesome

  • @bobtheduck
    @bobtheduck5 жыл бұрын

    I'll... look at this stuff for Skulemte. I like the relative simplicity of Vinhua for now. I'll have to get into Skulemte with my prequel book eventually, and then this kind of thing will be useful.

  • @PartiallyGeorge
    @PartiallyGeorge5 жыл бұрын

    The Russian’s verbs of motion and only they do have habitual and continuous aspects: ходить (habitual) vs. Идти (continuous) = to go. Both are imperferctive hence both of them have present tense, yet if you add a time-limiting prefix to a habitual verb, it remains imperfective, but if you add it to a continuous verb, it becomes perfective.

  • @ijahnnakehlam5919
    @ijahnnakehlam5919 Жыл бұрын

    I have a question. You mentioned that when we are working on our conlangs, we should try to choose aspects in opposition of each other: pfv vs. ipfv, pfv vs. Habitual and Continous and so forth. How do I find the oppositions to the other aspects you mentioned in the video?

  • @Kingstar1139
    @Kingstar11393 жыл бұрын

    4:08 The aspectual meaning conveyed by "used to" is not the habitual. It is the usitative (basically a different name for the specifically past tense form of the habitual) this is why it cannot be applied to the future. The future habitual is possible to make (at some point in the future the subject will be habitually performing the action) and the present is also possible (the subject is habitually performing the action). Eg, in AAVE (African American Vernacular English) the phrase "He be workin'" would mean that he is currently habitually working. Just wanted to mention that that is the reason "will used to" doesn't make sense in English.

  • @Kingstar1139

    @Kingstar1139

    3 жыл бұрын

    Note, it is possible for "will used to" to carry meaning but it wouldn't be the future tense it would be some relative tense like past-in-the-future basically "I will used to work here" would mean "At some point in the future, I will no longer work here". The future habitual; however, would mean "At some point in the future, I will habitually work here". They're very different meanings because of the incoded past tense of "used to".

  • @water594
    @water5944 жыл бұрын

    "I will have been working here" 4:14 although that doesn't have connonations of necessarily stopping

  • @hallfiry
    @hallfiry5 жыл бұрын

    3:33 Actually German dialects are a bit playful with that. The am-Progressiv can be used to express a current action: "Ich bin am Lernen." or in other dialects "Ich bin beim Lernen." Literally "I'm at (the) learning", which means "I'm currently/right now learning."

  • @ChefRafi

    @ChefRafi

    5 жыл бұрын

    Moritz Ernst Jacob which German dialects do you know?

  • @hallfiry

    @hallfiry

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's a difficult question... I'd say I know the basics of most roof dialects (but be aware that they have a gazillion subdialects) and know a bit more about Bavarian, as I grew up with it. But I'm not an expert or anything.

  • @justafeather4630

    @justafeather4630

    5 жыл бұрын

    I can add that the am-Progressive (as in "I bi am lerne") is way more common in Alemannic dialects than for example "I lern grad".

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    Would "learning" be treated as a noun like how we do in English?

  • @parthiancapitalist2733

    @parthiancapitalist2733

    5 жыл бұрын

    "The liking of linguistics" - liking is a noun

  • @mikee7074
    @mikee70745 жыл бұрын

    Stuff like this makes me wish I'd give with linguistics instead of engineering lol. Keep it up!

  • @unionofaltavia8136
    @unionofaltavia81364 жыл бұрын

    It is possible to have Continuous and Progressive aspects, as Continuous describes the state of a noun, and Progressive describes the dynamic quality of an action.

  • @MaraK_dialmformara
    @MaraK_dialmformara5 жыл бұрын

    Your description of the segmentative reminded me of a freight train. Is that an appropriate image?

  • @leem4386
    @leem43865 жыл бұрын

    Please make more Oa videos!

  • @girv98
    @girv985 жыл бұрын

    Well I have to redo my conlangs tense system now lol

  • @GrothBrooks
    @GrothBrooks5 жыл бұрын

    Two questions for your Q&A: What are some languages that make excessive use of polysemous and compound words, perferably in conjunction (e.g. "blue" is "sky-color", "sky" is "up", and "color" is "see". So, "blue" becomes "up-see")? I'm creating a simplistic feeling conlang (granted it's been on the back burner for a while) and wanted to make great use of those features to keep the base word count down. Are there any other techniques that I could use as well in order to cut down on the base word count? Also, in your earlier videos you were creating a conlang while teaching us the concepts. Is there any way you can put that element of your videos back in? I'd like to see your language as it develops and it's helpful to watch an example of a language being built as I learn about the concepts.

  • @ImmortalNature777
    @ImmortalNature7775 жыл бұрын

    Lovely haircut!

  • @VidaDigital
    @VidaDigital5 жыл бұрын

    Interesting, as always! BTW - how would time travel affect a fictional conlang where time travel is possible? For example, you contrast "I used to work here" vs. "I will used to work here", which doesn't fit standard English... however, if my present 2018 self is, from my timeline's point of view, standing in front of my 1987 office circa 1985, I could technically say "I will have used to work here six years from now". I'm sure there are simpler ways to convey the facts, such as "I will work here from 1987 until 1990", but not the information/feeling, as in "five years hence, I will have left the job my present self has yet to take".

  • @kathens7755
    @kathens77555 жыл бұрын

    English aspect : *okay* Russian aspect : *bit hard but maybe I can manage* Navajo aspect : *brain shuts down*

  • @blueastronaut4944

    @blueastronaut4944

    11 ай бұрын

    Nooo Russian aspect is rational and cool in concept (aside terrible realisation with multiple prefixes and affixes). That is English aspect that is blowing mind with perfect and in the same time have low ability to express subtle meanings))))))))))))

  • @Kram1032
    @Kram10325 жыл бұрын

    I've just seen Opal the other day. What a magical, rare sight.

  • @marcusbierman5310
    @marcusbierman53105 жыл бұрын

    Will you make a video on the Köppen-Geiger climate classification system?

  • @adityagupta5713
    @adityagupta57135 жыл бұрын

    What route do you intend to take with world-building? After eventually completing conlanging, what do you intend to move on to? Have you decided yet?

  • @dcpercival
    @dcpercival5 жыл бұрын

    Is this your last Language Creation video? I hope it goes on - I want to hear what your language that you are making up sounds!

  • @themasstermwahahahah
    @themasstermwahahahah5 жыл бұрын

    Lol i dont actually care about world building or con langs, but it is interesting

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    That's really cool. Means my stuff has some broader appeal.

  • @bitchimgayasfuck171

    @bitchimgayasfuck171

    5 жыл бұрын

    same here!

  • @loveisgrim
    @loveisgrim5 жыл бұрын

    You seem to always find a book for your subject do you bump into them on you way to a conlang? Also how's oa going is it just a "naming conlang" or is it a full on " I going to be able to speak with it!" Conlang?

  • @biblestudysoftware

    @biblestudysoftware

    5 жыл бұрын

    loveis grim He usually mentions a title that is part of the series that _Aspect_ is a volume of. I’ve forgotten who the publisher is. At times I’ve wondered if there are any other series with each volume devoted to a specific part of speech.

  • @Not_actually_a_commie
    @Not_actually_a_commie5 жыл бұрын

    I really want him to try and tackle Ithkuil now

  • @othermutantboyfriend
    @othermutantboyfriend5 жыл бұрын

    I will *have* used to work here :)

  • @kiendra
    @kiendra Жыл бұрын

    2015 me making my first conlang: hmmm what if i used all of this

  • @itisALWAYSR.A.
    @itisALWAYSR.A. Жыл бұрын

    every time i come back to to this video the Steven Universe examples hit me like a truck

  • @RealLifeKyurem
    @RealLifeKyurem5 жыл бұрын

    I remember reading that the Perfect aspect has another name, the Retrospective aspect. Then its opposite is the Prospective aspect.

  • @Artifexian

    @Artifexian

    5 жыл бұрын

    Yes I have seen this nomenclature before.