It's the first time I hear about the "backstage" movements after the accident. What a wicked approach of Lancia, bloody scoundrels.

Ois varmasti ollu 86-vuoden mestari. Maailman nopeimpia kuskeja ellei nopein 80-luvulla. Ajo hyvin takavetosella nelivetosia vastaan ja kun sai nelivetosen s4n alleen niin oli lähes voittamaton. Lepää rauhassa Legenda :)

Henri toivonen was a fantastic rally driver! One of the best in the world. He died too early, because he was the best!

@sale-8687

6 жыл бұрын

jep

This was one of the most informative videos I've ever seen regarding Henri. Its a little hard to watch actually. What beautiful blessings they had...family, his wife, kids, parents...all of it. RIP Henri, you are not forgotten.

I was young at that time.. Henry Toivonen was an example, he was a hero... Fast and positive hero. Henry you will remain in ours hearts for ever... RIP

Henkka oli varsinkin asfaltilla aivan pitelemätön verrattuna muihin, olisi ollut todella kova ratakuski. Ajoi monia vuosia altavastaaja kalustolla. Vasta 4 lenkkarilla raapiva Lancia oli hänellä kilpailukykyinen.

Henkka oli paras.Todella koskettava tarina. Henkka elää ikuisesti muistoissa kyllä.

Today is May 2 2016 - 30 years now when the darkest day in history of Rallye happened ! Henri....Sergio, you will remain unforgotten - R.I.P

a small wall at the side of the road, and we would maybe still be speaking with him today.

@fleeex1954

3 жыл бұрын

And world champion!!!

@dickmccarthy9496

3 жыл бұрын

Or if the team would not been able to fix Delta's gearbox, he would be alive.. :/

@max27stoner

2 жыл бұрын

And if the Lancia would’ve just put a skid plate underneath the car. There’s pretty plausible story that Lancia didn’t use them on tarmac rallies. It was taken off to save weight. I’m pretty sure Lancia used them in the gravel rallies as it was important to keep all the gravel and rocks away. That Lancia Delta S4 weighted already only about 890 kg and that’s without the drivers and fuel. Those skid plates weighted just few kilograms so they took every part that wasn’t necessary, or was just heavy, out of the car. Crazy times, would never happen today

@dusankocisevic6823

Жыл бұрын

@@max27stoner so true…… Henri’s and Sergio’s blood is on Fiorio’s hands for sure.

Pakko sano että aikas tyly talli oli toi Lancia. Henkkaa sakoilla uhattu jos jättää viel jonkun kisan kesken ja sitten toi että Lancia talli hoitaa kaikki Henrin laskut sillä edellytyksellä että tallia ei syytetä Henkan onnettomuudesta. Todella likaista peliä! Ensi viikon maanantaina tulee Henkan ja Sergion onnetomuudesta tasan 30 vuotta.

@Mazufa

3 жыл бұрын

Juu ei voi mitenkään Henkkaa kyl talli syyttää siitä jos auto vaikka hajoo tms. Niin ja keskeytykset vaan kuuluu motorsporttiin, ja ihan kohtuutonta Lancialta kyl tollanen.

@dickmccarthy9496

3 жыл бұрын

Joo Pösö ja Lancia molemmat harrasti tosi likasta politiikkaa verhojen takana..

I used to adore Lancia...no more after the way they treated his family. Utterly contemptuous and disgusting . Henri deserved better, sorry his family have to live with the disdain of his so called “friends “.

@RFreigeldorff

5 жыл бұрын

what happened there?

@bigthunder1499

4 жыл бұрын

@@RFreigeldorff They ( Lancia Racing Team) went on like nothing happend and Fiorio (Team Chief of Lancia Racing Team) didnt bother to call henris wife about the accident nor went to henris funeral. He even calles himself a good friend of the family, since he already worked with henris father. But then, Lancia didnt even pay for Henris work after his death. His Wife got a Phone call from lanica, that she must sign a contract stating that lancia isnt guilty of the death of henri. Even when Henri tried to withdraw from the race. Hope it summons up the correct answer. Please correct me if im wrong

@lingotto94

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigthunder1499 Where does this information come from and if it is true, why did it not appear in the press ..?

@bigthunder1499

3 жыл бұрын

@@lingotto94 You can watch it in the video. The interview with his wife and cesare fiorio. Edit: Dont know why they didnt went to thr press. Maybe they settled with lancia afterwards.

Kylmäävä kohta kun Pauli Toivonen mietti että olisiko Henkka pitänyt sittenkin ohjata rata-autoilun puolelle, tippa oli siinä isän silmässä kun tuon sanoi. Perhehän oli suostutellut Henkan rallin puolelle koska katsoivat silloin että rata-autoilu on liian vaarallista, joskus '83-'84 ehkä. Henrihän kävi ajamassa pari C-ryhmäläisten kisaa ja taisi testata muuan Eddie Jordanin F3000 tiimille. Jordan kehui että Henkasta olisi yhtä hyvin voinut tulla menestyksekäs rata-autoilija.

What an amazing driver,and seems like a really nice guy and fantastic father..the family can be so proud..

what legend i would of loved to seen him driving with my own eyes this mans braveness and skill of driving the group b cars he loved the thrill of it and danger unfortunately i don't think we will ever see driving ability like this ever again. R.I.P Henri the fastest flying fin of the 80s gone but will never be forgotten

@Nalleteus

7 жыл бұрын

Sebastian Loeb ???

@StewartEvans52

5 жыл бұрын

i had the pleasure of seeing him in his sunbeam 1980 rac and i can honestly say,no man could make a car dance like henri could

@StewartEvans52

5 жыл бұрын

loeb? stfu loeb isnt any where near henri's talent man

Henkka oli todellinen lahjakkuus ja olisi varmasti päässyt korkealle! keveät mullat henkalle

Brilliant thank you, I never knew there was so much animosity towards Lancia after the accident. Lots to learn from this video that I've never seen or heard anywhere else so thanks again for the subtitles.

One of the best documentaries I've ever seen. Excellent.

Thanks for sharing this important insight on the tragic loss of Henri Toivonen ,and Sergio Cresto. I wish it contained more factual information about Sergio that might help us understand how strong the trust was between driver, and co-driver at that point in time.

Amazing documentary, so emotional……. It is true, Henri was driving like there is no tomorrow. A crazy son of a gun!❤

Kaikki nämä dokumentit jäävät meidän historiaanm Kiitos kun teit tämän muiston.

Todella hyvä dokumentti. Henri oli loistava kuski ja olisi luultavasti voittanut mestaruuden kyseisenä vuotena.Kiitos dokumentista!

Henri would become world champion, but the destiny was another. World champion in 1985 was Timo Salonen and 1986 World Campion was Juha Kankkunen. Both driving Peugeot and team chief was Mr Jean Todt.

At 45:40 they interviewed Sami Visa, a friend of Henri Toivonen. Later on Sami Visa would meet and friend with certain Kimi Räikkönen! Visa became Kimi's ''main man''.

R.I.P. Legend

Henkka oli hienoin kuski ikuna.

@sale-8687

6 жыл бұрын

no einy iha mut melkein

@hockeyflow9100

6 жыл бұрын

no oli..

@tempra95

3 жыл бұрын

Se oli paras

Thx for relisting. English subtitles would be great if anyone can. RIP Henri.

he was world best driver

😢Henri Toivonen. Legend forever.

RIP Henri.I was in Corte monument.Great driver and hero.Groetje uit Tsjechien

Actually, Sergio Cresto was experienced enough: he was 1984 european champion co driving Carlo Capone on a Lancia 037. Same year anda same championship, Toivonen raced a Porsche 911 to second place overall

Oon kahtonu tämän useita kertoja ja ei voi kun kehua tätä Henri Toivosesta tehtyä dogumenttiä! :) Itse oon ollu koko ikäni suuri ralli ja formula 1 fani ja oon itse ajanutkin jokamiesluokkaa, ja myös jääradalla ajeltu kavereiden kanssa. Olis kyllä hienoa jos Lancia ja Audi tulisivat mukaan rallin MM-sarjaan, ja formula 1 Audi tuleekin vuonna 2026! :) Harrastaa olisin halunnut jokamiesluokkaa enemmänki ja kokeilla rallisprinttiä, mutta tähän ei sitte rahaa kuitenkaan ikinä ollut, eikä oikeen niillä näytöillä saanu sponsoreita. Jonkinlaisia "sponsoreita" oli kyllä, mutta ei se hirveästi auta jos öljykanisterin antaa ja tarrat käteen.

Yeah this has been on KZread before but got removed, I'm sorted this time though :-) this looks to be a real insight into the toivonen family I'm sure the producers could re-make this for the modern times and produce a dvd. Henri is as popular now as he was in his day, lots of young fans who were probably not even born when he was rallying. Good to see a toivonen book has now been released.

These beast were hard machines to drive, particularly the lancia on Tarmac!!! With 700 brake on high boost and no power steering with huge mega wide racing slicks it was an absolute workout just steering the thing thru the g forces of all those corners at Corsica with a totally locked trans (no centre diff) let alone the thousands of manual gear changes in a heavy 1985 gearbox and sintered racing clutch! You can see at 4:30 he's absolutely fucked and done more miles in one day than a full 1000 lakes rally Finland!!! 4 hour stages! Flat out!!! Think about that????

@jussiuutaniemi3767

4 жыл бұрын

S4 had power steering, rather vulnerable though. But yeah, the physical burden of that event was off the charts. Even though S4 had compressor to give torque on low and middle revs, probably still the driver had to keep pumping the accelerator in corners / gear change to keep turbo pressures optimal. Almost the whole route was a series of corners....

Ei jumalauta tota Fiorion ja Lancia tallin toimia!!

Thank you very much! I can see the English subtitles now. Thx again

Walter Rohrl said in his opinion only 5 drivers were capable of controlling a Group B car in full cry. He never said who they were however. I'd like to think Henri made that list. Like Ronnie Peterson, he had the skills to be the King. He just never got the chance to wear the crown.

well, at least he died way "that he actualy like it" he knew the risks. huge respect

Rest in peace Henri...

Kiitoksia tästä! Todella hyvä dokumentti!

Hi, your wish is fulfilled. Thank you very much Antti L. for subtitling.

0-200 km/h 9.6 seconds .amazingly fast

Today, before 34 years it happend. RIP Henri Toivonen und Sergio Cresto.

Really touching documentary.. I don't understand the 42 dislikes (maybe are of people who don't know a s*** about rally). RIP Henri

@ratflail215

3 жыл бұрын

B series was just too insane. He was forced to drive despite not feeling good on top of that.

@poa193

3 жыл бұрын

@@ratflail215 I understand that, but why dislike a video which tells you what was going also behind the scenes? I don't see the connection.

R.I.P Henri was an awesome driver.

Kiitokset dokumentista, huikea mies ja kuski....

R.I.P Henri

40:33 well Audi retired from Group B befor the accidendt. The RS200 accident was the call for them. To bad that it wasnt stoped at just that time. But i loved to have seen these cars in the 80's... omg yes ... Great documentarty. Henri was one of the greatest. Legend!! // Sweden over and out. PS .. CO drivers family?? Hello?

What a man. RIP Henri.

R.I.P Henri...

Hienoja ihmisiä noi makaroonit.

It's a great and informative film. But very sad to watch. Sometimes I think it was fate and the only thing that could have stopped Group B was a fatal crash with the impact it made. I am not saying that God made it happen but it is spooky. One would have thought that after Portugal something would have been done about the spectators for a start. Then you see Alen etc talking about the fact that before the Tour de Corse in 1986 the drivers and FISA had a meeting and the drivers categorically said that the cars were too powerful, difficult to drive, difficult to concentrate and physically draining. In addition, the rally was too long, almost 1000kms, including road sections. Madness. In 2020 the rallies are 350 kms tops, even less, and I am sure some drivers are bitching even about that. I have heard at least 10 different theories for the crash, and all of them are indeed plausible, but the fact is we will never know. Probably.

Noh, onhan se kuintenkin kiva, että meillä on suomi poikia tällä tasolla kisaamassa. Tuolla tasolle on tosi vaikea päästä ja ruotsalaisia on paljon vähemmän :)

Saikohan Alen myös varoitus kirjeen tallilta niinkuin Henkka sai tuon Portugalin päätöksen jälkeen.

@mampe8898

9 ай бұрын

Hyvä kysymys, melko jäätävää oli tallin toiminta. Ihan kuin yritettiin peitellä onnettomuuden syytä sillä että erja pyydettiin kirjottamaan lappu että hän ei syytä tallia onnettomuudesta. Jossain haastattelussa markku alen sai että italialainen tiimi on kuin perhe, melkoinen perhe kun kukaan ei tullu hautajaisiin.

Triflux ja s ryhmä

Ei ole Henry! On ihan suomalaisittain Henri!!

@MikkoGibson

5 жыл бұрын

Tekstityksessä muitakin virheitä, esim. Henriä väitetään maailmanmestariksi, mutta niitä ei voi korjata. Tämä on 80-luvulla VHS:llä tallennettu ja sellaisenaan tänne importoitu. Mutta jos vähänkään rallista ymmärtää, niin tajuaa suomentajan olleen hieman pihalla.

@ronitammi9740

5 жыл бұрын

MikkoGibson group b:sä pystyi jo sanomaan maailmanmestariksi jos pääsi loppuun asti ja voitti ja sitä paremmalla syyllä kun voitti vielä pari kisaa siinä

@anssivelin9533

5 жыл бұрын

Opettele lukemaan

Henri Toivonen😢

non ti dimenticherò mai! ....

Tämä dokumentti on myös jotenki pelottava toi alku ku tuli noit flashbackkei

Lopputekstien mukaan: Mikko Lyytikäinen/Movision. Rallista tietämätön suomentaja on sotkenut maailmanmestaruus osakilpailun ja rallin maailmanmestaruuden keskenään. Olisitko innokas kääntämään suomeksi puhutut osuudet englanniksi? Moni on kysellyt tekstityksiä tähän, mutta minulla ei ole aikaa siihen. Lisäisin mielelläni valmiit tekstit tähän videoon.

After that, Group B cars were banned.

@traktori2888

3 жыл бұрын

Kyllä

R.I.P!

the dark side of lancia...

Tekee kipeetä katsoa tätä

I think I get confused by the new KZread layout. Subtitles can be turned on a different point than before.

Kiitos! tää pitäis vielä tekstittää, totta joku hieno mies senkin toteuttaa?

😭😭😭😭

Yt: Minna Toivonen

❤

YKS MUN IDOLEISTA JA KUNNIOITTAMISTANI MIEHISTÄ

Ja Cesare Fiorio moottoriurheilun suurin persereikä.En viitsi edes aloittaa.Ettei vedetä oikeuteen.Vaikka kuka näitä lukee?

What a charming fellow he was and an exceptional talent to handle a group b beast loeb would not be able to handle such a machine.

@chabaember6140

6 жыл бұрын

David Grove Grove q

@marks_sparks1

6 жыл бұрын

David Grove Grove Dunno - Loeb did what no non-scandinavian did and win consistently in Sweden and Finland. Also win Pike Peaks in record time. I'd think he wouldn't be disgraced in Group B.

@mikaelbihl-matias9462

5 жыл бұрын

It would be a sunday ride for Loeb

Ehkä yks huonoimmista käännöksistä (suomeksi) tuossa videolla :D Mutta muuten jees klippi jos ei lue niitä.

R.IP Henry

Seppo harjanne needs to talk in English because I can’t understand what he’s saying

i like mechele and henry

Is there an english version?

@Jop3lius

9 жыл бұрын

CHRIT SCHER sadly i dont think there is but i might aswell make subtitles for it when i have time edit. apparently there is already subtitles available, click right corner next to clock icon. :)

The Best rally driver ever!!!! Henry + Sergio Rip

Olikos se just Korsikalla kun kukaan kuljettaja ei halunnut ajaa palkintokorokkeelle kisan jälkeen...

Alla fine Henri ci hai rimesso tu,e dopo tutto quello che hai fatto per la Lancia e per lo sport motoristico ti hanno dimenticato in pochissimo tempo,il signor Fiorio non e' neanche venuto al tuo funerale.Vergogna

@waltercrema4982

4 жыл бұрын

Hai ragione su tutto. Dio boia.

@dusankocisevic6823

Ай бұрын

@@waltercrema4982e’ vero🙄🙄

Jonkun pitäis tukea Lancia tallin työn tekijöitä ei se ole heidän vika

väitänpä kuitenkin että tätä ei tulla poistamaan tällä kertaa.

Well, 3 months has passed... :p

I really wish this had English subtitles.

@marks_sparks1

6 жыл бұрын

crashes1978 click on double dot icon in top right corner. Select captions and English. They work perfect

Kuka tämän on suomentanut/teksittänyt? Heti kärkeen väitetään Toivosen olleen maailmanmestari, eikä kauaa mee kun suomennettuna ollaan jo kaksinkertaisia maailmanmestareita. Henkkahan ei maailmanmestaruutta kerinnyt koskaan voittamaan. Tykkään silti videosta, ei siinä mitään.

Varmaan lopetti kisat kesken tän takia

Hyvä idea ja tekisen sen jos olisi aikaa, mutta taitaa olla turha homma. Edellinen Vauhdin surma (jonkun toisen lataamana ~2010) taisi olla muutaman kuukaiden Tubessa kunnes se poistettiin. Sinänsä hölmöä kun eihän tätä voi ostaa mistään.

@ristohyvonen9913

6 жыл бұрын

Mahdollisesti tässäkin löyhkäävä raha puhuu. Esim Martinin tai Lancian suunnalta millaisen kuvan dokumentti heistä antaa. Ei todellakaan kovin kunniallista. Ehkäpä syystäkin.

Minä ainakin luen ja varmasti moni muukin.

I think henri toivonens brother and father should definitely in talk in English along with the man who was talking to Henri before he died

@Jop3lius

2 жыл бұрын

its finnish document from the 80's, there was no youtube back then and the document wasnt made with international networks in mind.

Siis onnettomuudesta

Flavio Briatore. Great man ....not !!

17:38 is it worth it all

💪💪💚💚🏁🏁💚💚💪💪

in motoracing, fast means that you are able to perform at the same level easily and to realise that you have to be also wise.

38:42 :( :(

03:56

eka ralli ku henry voitti eli rca

6:52 "yes there's a lot of these white kind of pictures" says little man Toivonen.

YKS MUN SUURISTA IDOLEISTANI JA SUOSIKEISTANI

It's waste of time because this will be removed soon due copyright reasons.

@parabelluminvicta8380

5 жыл бұрын

well after 6 years video still up. Lancia is legend, Henri is legend.

@dusankocisevic6823

Ай бұрын

@@parabelluminvicta8380and after many, many years is still here 🙏🙏🇫🇮🇫🇮

ei kyllä voittanut maailman mestaruutta, niin kun tuossa alussa luki...

@jussiuutaniemi3767

4 жыл бұрын

Joo aina miettiny kans samaa. Tosin valmistajien mestaruus tais tulla kyllä Henkan kohdalla -81 Talbotin kanssa