Hey guys, I am a small engine Mechanic - I`ve had the issue a few times of steel gas tanks needing holes drilled into them sometimes and I`ve come up with a 100% perfect solution to keep EVERY little speck of that metal debris/shavings from entering the gas tank - and THAT is to use one or several very powerful Ceramic "Rare Earth" magnets around the area where the hole or holes are being drilled, and you do NOT need to be in the awkward upside down position (and get a possible injury to your eyes and HOT shavings to skin areas making you jump from the burn reaction, possibly messing up the hole) to do the job. When finished with your cutting, drilling, de-burring?, simply *Slide* the magnet to the hole you just cut and remove the collected shavings. Another added suggestion would be to have a "Secondary" magnet set directly attached to the outside bottom of the tank directly below the drilled hole JUST in case SOME does slip past, when done?, you can (like " I " do) is to clean THOSE shavings at the INSIDE bottom of the tank where (IF ANY) that magnet was placed?, use a wood stick/Dowell with a Q-Tip like bundle on the end of it (DON`T use a telescoping magnetic pick-up tool to do this, it does NOT pick up those shavings because the area is MADE magnetic by the stronger magnet and chips WILL stay there) with a petroleum based lubricant to wipe/pick up any shavings after removing the magnet from it`s location. Hope this solves SOME headache`s with that issue.

I've been dealing with ethanol issues on all the big 3 for years. The first thing to determine when having fuel issues: is the issue not enough fuel in the carb, or too much fuel? Not enough = vapour lock. Solution is electric pump and return line. An in frame Edelbrock works well. That set up in the Impala looks extremely expensive and prone to failure. I had a ford 460, 4100 series Motocraft carbed motorhome that worked flawlessly even climbing mountain passes in B.C. at 37 degrees celcius, loaded. NEVER percolated or vapour locked. And it had those two things. Too much fuel/flooding = heat soak/percolation. The solution so far is a return line port as close to carb as possible, insulating lines, and as tall as possible Phenolic/wood spacer under carb. Also that big, hideous air cleaner is going to trap a lot of heat at the carb!

Geeze, what a complicated and expensive way to fix a problem a $8 napa filter could fix. Again, learned it from Uncle Tony.

Damn that’s a lot of work. I fixed vapor lock in my 62 impala for about $50. Purchased return hose and 3nipple fuel filter before the carburetor. Also used some heat shield wrap over the fuel lines in the engine. I drilled into the filler neck so I didn’t have to clean up or mess with the gas tank at all. I live in texas with 100+ degrees all week. I drive my old school every single day:) after I did that fix my car never had any problems after that. I even went to car shows driving for 4+ hours with the car on and sitting in the summer :)

@cal30m1

Жыл бұрын

This guy doesn’t make as much money if he fixes vapor lock the old fashion way…

@vincentbryan1962

Жыл бұрын

@@cal30m1 are you mad that someone figured out a way to do the same result in less than 1/10th the time and using 1/10th the money. You must be stupid to pay that much for it. Im sure you pay $130 for an oil change too, but I don’t go out of my way try to look down on you for it.

@cal30m1

Жыл бұрын

@@vincentbryan1962 I guess you can’t tell when someone agreed with you?

uncle Tony's Garage got a cheaper way simpler way to do it 👏🏌with a filter😁✌

@bojackson6714

5 жыл бұрын

Yessir one the best on KZread that won't make you go buy overpriced bullshit

@glennsouthard9208

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. I laughed when I saw that aeromotive stuff.

@1966human

4 жыл бұрын

Yep he fixes it with a wix filter 33040 with a 3rd outlet back to the tank using the vent hose line. The filter has an inlet and an outlet ( as normal ) and a smaller diameter outlet with a small hole ( in the outlet ) ( for back pressure inside the carburetor area )) , running back to the tank

@joshuagriego1562

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is a $400+ football bat of an approach. Uncle Tony didn't just throw money at the problem. I know which solution MY clients will appreciate, and it'll still leave them with their rent money!

@floydpack9442

3 ай бұрын

EVERYONE needs a uncle tony

Hey Eric, great video. I restore old Thunderbirds and have had to deal with the vapor lock problem quite a bit lately mostly because of the crappy gasoline that is available today. I live at 7000 ft altitude so this altitude just adds insult to injury with regards to vapor lock. The problem you describe in the video, "not being able to restart the car after shutting it off," I have found more attributable to the gasoline boiling or evaporating out of the carburetor while it is sitting there. For example, you go into the market and your car is sitting outside for 20 minutes or so and as the engine heats up from being shut off and no more cooling system action, the gas in the carb starts to boil and evaporates. When you go to restart it you have a "too rich" issue because of the excessive fuel vapors and the heat. I push the gas pedal to the floor and crank it until it starts, works every time. I do not pump the gas pedal. Pushing the gas pedal down to the floor and leaving it there until it starts opens up the throttle plates in the carb and allows air to rush in creating a lean mixture and allowing the car to restart. The vapor lock problems I have experienced with the Thunderbird while driving is (390 or 428 FE engines), loosing power, bucking and surging, acting like it is running out of gas, not being able to reach speeds higher than about 40 mph, and all of the above when going up any kind of an incline. For me and my Thunderbirds, its never a restarting problem, its always a "while driving" problem. The cure was exactly what you did in your video with a few exceptions. You put an in tank fuel pump which Holley recommended as the number 1 fix. On a 1966 Thunderbird for example, the gas tank rest against the trunk floor on the top and back side. The fuel sender is on the front side facing the diff. Holley said that you need 3" of clearance between the tank and trunk floor to use their in tank fuel pump so that was not an option for me. The next best thing was to use an inline electric fuel pump as close to the gas tank as possible and level with the bottom of the gas tank. So I installed the electric fuel pump right next to the gas tank and level with the bottom and I ran a return line from the front of the car back to the gas tank via a Holley supplied regulator, and used the original fuel source fitting on the sending unit as the return. From the regulator back, I used steel fuel line because it does not warm up there like in the engine compartment, there is nothing to heat the lines up. In the engine compartment, I used fuel hose and I insulated it with thick foam insulation, the same stuff you see around water heater pipes. I eliminated the mechanical fuel pump completely. This worked out great and cured any vapor lock issues. The customer drove the car over the Rockies on Interstate 70 and went through the Eisenhower tunnel at 11,000 feet with no issues while using 91 octane pump gas with 10% ethanol. They also drove around Utah, Nevada and California in 100 degree weather with the AC on the entire time. They had no issues what so ever. You can view the video I made on how I did it here kzread.info/dash/bejne/p3uVrteyp9a7YLw.html. Thanks again for a very informative video.

My 69 camaro with a quadrajet has a return line to the tank from the factory. GM had this issue in the 60s and quadrajets are very sensitive to it. If someone wants to stay original this is the easiest solution. Just add a fuel filter with a return line and a 1/4" line to the tank and use a sending unit with a return line on it or tap in a fitting to the tank.

@8power857

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, a ton old old cars suffered this and its been cured simply and quickly a billion times and suddenly its new tech with a complex and expensive cure 🤣🙄

@Nothingtoya

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this is simply an add. I'm glad you put this in here so others can learn the proper way to do this and stay mechanical.

cut out the center with a hole saw upside down so minimal shavings get in the tank...........then use a die grinder and sanding roll right side up. 🤦‍♂️😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@bonchicodavis1444

3 жыл бұрын

I was like 😳🤨😬😏🤣😂

@guglielmodicarlo4139

3 жыл бұрын

LOL and then do nothing about cleaning the tank,,LOL

One of those filters with 3 fingers (Wix 33041), a return line to the tank, insulate the feed line in the engine bay to the carburetor with ceramic fire insulation wrapped in foil tape, get rid of mechanical fuel pump and replace with an electric, a phenolic carb spacer.......fixed my vapor lock....even on 100F days in Colorado altitude on 89 octane ethanol gas. Find a sender with an inlet along with the outlet and switch it out. Don't cut a hole in the tank.

@billmelcher1794

3 жыл бұрын

I did not feel that cutting up the fuel tank was a great idea and that large line hanging out the back looked playschool!

i had that same problem , turned out someone in the past had installed a non vented gas cap , i put a factory cap back on it and problem was solved

Or just add a 3 head fuel filter witha return line to tank....35$.....

I know this video came out in 2016 but Here's another tip i picked up back in the day in a issue of hot rod magazine: 101 tech tips. If you have a metal gas tank prep the metal surface for primer / paint . Used high temp header primer and paint with the ceramic in VHT or dupli color . But use the header aluminum paint. It will insulate the tank from heat coming off of the motor / car / pavement and keep the gas cooler. Also if you use a mechanical or electric fuel pump always use a vapor return line to get rid of a lot or all of vapor lock.

Yes to look up Tony's garage way simpler way cheaper works wonderful...

@fatotis6273

2 жыл бұрын

I used the Unc's tip. An AMC style inline filter with a small return nipple out the side. Fuel keeps circulating back to supply, giving less chance of heating up

What are the part numbers of the system you used in this video? You had more parts on the table then we saw installed. Are they used somewhere along the fuel line?

Hey is that a 69 Camaro with a black vinyl top over lower gold paint? My brother bought a 69 in 70 or 71 and still has t today.

Exactly how and where does the return line from the carburettor work/fit?

Yep go to uncle Tobys garage channel, he fixes it with a wix filter 33040 ? ( just get a 3 outlet fuel filter with a small hole for back pressure in the run outlet to the tank ) and with the third smaller outlet on top or north of the filter run a line back to the tank, sometimes the tank has the hole in it at the connection for the return line, where did the idea of running fuel line to the carburetor only come from ?

LOL, "Prestige" Motorsports. Made me bust up laughing because all I can think of is Prestige Worldwide from Step Brothers. "Boats and Hoes!"

@prestigemotorsports

3 жыл бұрын

We build a lot of boat engines...so we're kinda like that ha

Save your self some $$ and just keep the stock mechanical pump in place and "tee" it back to the tank with a return loop. Don't even have to drop the tank or "shim" it up! Simplicity holds much merit even today!

@trifivegarage8683

5 жыл бұрын

so the tee would go on the pressure side before or after the fuel regulator? This wouldn't effect fuel flow to the carb? sending it back to the tank as well? thanks.

@cs652806

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah this sounds like a good option. Where is the t? If it is in the wrong place it will just flow back to the tank and never build pressure.

I wonder if fuel pressure regulators make any difference. One guy I know fitted one to his seventies coupe to cure the hot starting problem where fuel surges in and floods a hot engine after it's turned off. I know you can buy cheap 'n' cheerful regulators on EBay from China or a pay a couple of hundred for a quality one from Edelbrock or somewhere. But I won't go to the trouble of installing one unless I know it makes a difference.

Eric I have the same issue with my 87 trans am 5.7

FYI, cutting/grinder bits cause sparks. Sparks and gas fumes cause boom.

Great advertisement

Will running Non ethanol fuel work ?

Was the fuel boiling in the fuel pump and running up the hose or boiling because of the hose?????

Or just install a fuel pressure regulator with a return line...

Thank you! Thank you sir!

great info. gives me a place to start.

The idea of a clear tube is excellent to show *how the problem manifests itself* but your video does not explain *where the problem occurs*. Furthermore, it is not always feasible (nor desirable) to fit a system such as the one described. Rather, how can I fix the problem on a vintage car with "vintage good ideas"? THAT was my expectation in the viedo, but sadly did not find it :(

@mimixownzall

7 жыл бұрын

I wish he gave an in-line fuel pump option to hook up to the existing tank line

@rcpbandlife752

7 жыл бұрын

Route fuel lines away from heat sources, and if the fuel lines have to be near heat, use a heat sheath type material to insulate the fuel lines.

@BenjaminEsposti

6 жыл бұрын

Or, remove the ethanol from the fuel.

@johnbeer5242

5 жыл бұрын

go to uncle Tony's Garage

@AgustinCesar

5 жыл бұрын

Easy, travel back in time and live there. Damn.

Hi, I wonder if I can use a fuel pressure regulator with 2 fittings as a return line for vapor lock this way: One fitting going to the carburetor, since I am using only one carb setup I need only one line, the other fitting going back to the fuel tank as the return line..Thanks

@NIN_THUG

3 жыл бұрын

Make sure it is a bypass regulator

Seems like a lot of money and work for something that can be fixed for about $25. Get a fuel filter for an 89 Grand Wagoneer and install it between the carb and pump. Run a line (preferably steel) back to the tank and attach it wherever you want on the tank. Many different ways this can be done. I daily drive a slant six dart with a mechanical pump on normal 87 octane ethanol crap and never have problems. And if you know where the fuel pump is on a slant and how the fuel line is run on one, you know the pump sees zero air flow and the line is less than 1" from the exhaust manifold. No destroying a good fuel tank, no regulators, no easy to puncture hoses and no electric pump with shoddy wiring to fail. Works every time.

I'm not a super duper mechanic with multiple sexy cars in my garage, but I have taken care of vapor lock by insulating fuel lines before.... maybe it would have worked in this application instead of a fuel system overhaul?

@andybroer651

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm doing that on my vapor locking VW Touareg next Monday. Insulation has been ordered.

@beetee801

5 жыл бұрын

I bet it simple insulation wouldve worked. The best fix is often the simplest.

@GTRNights

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but they end up charging more for parts and manhours. It IS a business you know. They're not going to sell you the best option, but the one with the biggest profit margin for them.

I have lit'l toyota pick up. Never had problems with the mechanical fuel pump but I was driving it & then it just dies on me. Dissconnected the fuel line that goes into carb & there was no fuel going into the carb. So I bought a new one & it does the same thing. It does this after 10-15 min. of driving. It'll turn back on after like 10 min. But then it dies again. I'm kinda stummped never had vapor lock before & i've driven it in 90-100° weather before never had this issue before. It barly started down this & the weather about 35°-50° rite now. Any one else have this problem & if so what cud make the mechinical pump do this. Thinking of going with electric fuel pump. But kinda iffy on those.

Thanks from London, UK 👏

Gonna go witj UTG but thanks

I have a dodge and its a d150 1984 what it will do is start and it will act fine but out of the blue it would die what should i do

@daves_not_here_mannn

5 жыл бұрын

Set fire to it.

Would putting additives like say an octane booster help as well? Ive heard it said the higher grade fuels have higher boiling points.

@prestigemotorsports

6 жыл бұрын

Matthew Green no that really doesn't work well.

@juanlago733

6 жыл бұрын

Most Octane Booster are made of Ethanol. It will make the problem worse.

@bradboustead1682

2 жыл бұрын

I've asked some fuel additive companies if they help out with the Reid Vapor Pressure problem and they say no. Most of the liquid in the additive bottle is diesel fuel which has a lower vapor pressure but you are not adding very much to your tank.

@thebear6751

Жыл бұрын

Drop to a lower octane

When I run fuel lines off a mechanical pump, I always dbl check to see if gravity still is a thing!

You should put grease on the hole saw teeth to catch metal shavings. It will also lubricate the bit and help prevent sparks. @3:54

I wonder how long that foam seal will hold up before it starts to dry rot.

@noaht5191

2 жыл бұрын

Same…..and also how long will they be in business to offer replacements….

@JesseWright68

2 жыл бұрын

Seems very half-assed to me.

Could i get a 3 line fuel pump to solve problem?

@James-xo4uv

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, use a fuel filter with a third nipple to bleed off the vapor and run a return line back to.the tank

Prestige motorsports? You have part nunber for the kit?

@prestigemotorsports

5 жыл бұрын

No but we will shortly. If you are interested in all the components we can certainly send you a quote for all the items. We just never established a kit number for them yet

@prestigemotorsports

5 жыл бұрын

you can email us at sales@prestigemoto.com or call us 704 782 7170

Would a small radiator be out of the question if say made with tolerant metals and a small fan ?

Chrome won't get you home!

“We turned the tank upside down to minimize metal shavings into the tank” … continued by all the next drill and grinding work and cutting work with the tank upside up lol

I would think you guys are liable and should be fixing this for customers at no charge if it happened after they spent tons of money to restore a car at your shop. You admit fault but still make the customer pay.

So Erik what we really need is some fkn fuel formulas changed . We are paying 3to 4 times in price for SHITTY Fuel!!!!! To bad we can't put a TIGER in our tank any more. Exxon old days fuel. 104 octane now that's how you fix it!!! Let's face it we are getting screwed!!!!!!!

return

where does the air come from when fuel boils? surely it is petrol vapour?

@giralds2016

3 жыл бұрын

yes... crude or refined fuels have a boil point where they turn to a gas. depends on the car, but 115, is where my car is no longer happy. .. im installing a cool can in the back to see if i can curb some heat issues myself

You know, that's pretty stupid trying to minimize metal shavings in the tank while cutting the main hole then using a drill and finish grinder to cut the remaining pattern out, FILLING the take up with shit piles of shavings! :D

@giralds2016

3 жыл бұрын

the video doesn't show it, but i would guess they stuffed a towel in the tank once they had a hole.. ive done exactly the same thing, but used a water soaked towel to "catch dust and droppings from my holes and sanding... any leavings were blown with pressurized air, with a shop vac sucking dust out at the same time, then some high pressure wash downs and some fill and dumps and i felt good about the tank i was working on.

Yeah well that's a shit load of work. I sorta fixed it by installing a new fan clutch so the fan runs faster like it's supposed to. And if it's still too hot I just hold a higher RPM at the stop light to get more airflow.

U just need a return line and a jet on the fitting.

I'm really surprised it took you that long to figure out vapor lock...

@giralds2016

3 жыл бұрын

why would you say that? a competent mechanic will re- create the situation the customer describes so that they can make analysis... a backyard bozo, will just start guessing and have the car in 1000 pieces, buy a bunch of parts and still not figure out the root cause. Id say these folks went about it in the right fashion

Just put clothes pins on the line and go. Works

Chrysler's were notorious for VL my fathers 65 Newport was the worse.

So running e85 will keep this from happening because it’s a much cooler fuel and I can attest to this because my car is fuel Injected and I’m currently breaking in a new motor and I’m running on 93 octane fuel. 93 has a low vapor/flash point so my cars big turbo would create heat and my fuel rails would vaporize and I couldn’t get the car to start for a while and it would shut off while driving on the highway. I got a partial tune and running e85 now and it has helped a lot.

No mention of how insane it would be to drill holes in a tank that just been taken off full of fuel vapour

@bradboustead1682

2 жыл бұрын

May have sloshed water around in it to flush out the gas vapor.

Why not just run non oxy fuel

You got to be freaking kidding me ! This is a Aeromotive commercial......Drop the fuel tank put in an $800 fuel pump do this do that fancy see through hose is all bullshit ( we know what boiling fuel looks like ) Forget any of this you just saw in this video go watch uncle Tony’s video about vapor lock, like I did it to my Camaro it works perfect.... uncle Tony will show you how to do it...Oh and by the way you guys can drop stupid music in the background.....

We drill this fucking thing upside down as not to let shavings enter the tank, then we put all kinds of shavings into the tank..

It's the ethanol, as big oil ads more the vaporization temp drops so a car that ran great in 1969 will not run great today

@SubliminalEncryption

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair its not just the oil manufacturers who are to blame. The government itself should bear the brunt due to passing idiotic emissions regulations which, in part, forced the hands of the oil industry. Regardless, I'm certainly no fan of ethanol fuel to begin with due to the performance and fuel mileage dampening.

That tank will blow its ass off with the fumes

Are you kidding? All of this for vapor lock? Don't think so.

Why do all American car how to vids always have 80s hair band music?

my 1jz actually had this exact problem, previous owner ran a returnless system idiots

Ethanol crap

Here's a cheaper way : buy 3/8 racing aluminum fuel line and vinyl coated fuel line clamps that screw into the frame . Make as little ups and downs and bends as possible in the line. Buy a factory replacement fuel filter that came out on emission controled vehicles 70-80's like jeep cherokees or dodge truck/cars That have the 3 ports! 2 on the one side of the filter one on the other side . The smaller port is a fuel/vapor return port . Hook a fuel hose up to the 3rd port and run it back to the tank or the vent port on the fill neck . Vapor lock solved

Why do all these car vids have to have 80s hair band music?

@bendover9428

6 жыл бұрын

The best way to fix metal is with metal, uknowatimean?

@existentiald562

5 жыл бұрын

For all the 50 year old boomers watching

@joebiddy3699

5 жыл бұрын

@@existentiald562 Most all boomers as you call them would be in their 70's now.

@cutl00senc

4 жыл бұрын

Beats the heck out of the crap they call music today

Uncle Tony did it better

Excellent video but why do you use the old temperature scale Farenheight but not Celcius which most of the world uses?

just build a desagasifier with8 dollars, no more vapour lock

the gasoline flash point is -45 degrees. meaning at -45 degrees in an open cup gas will flame if you pass a flame over the top of it. DO NOTE that MINUS 45 degrees F.

Too much time and money

Seriously?? This “fix” is the most ridiculous overkill solution I’ve ever heard. It’s like using a chainsaw to open a can of soup! The Mechanical fuel pump has absolutely nothing to do with it! It’s the lack of or too small of a return line. Make sure the fuel feed line is the correct size! Too large of diameter and you end up with fuel sitting in the hose heating up. Hard Steel fuel lines ARE absolutely the way to go!! Just Cerakote them! Don’t use braided fuel line. The stuff is garbage and will leak. Cerakote your exhaust manifolds / Headers, intake…. Stupid is as stupid does!

Wtf? All this for vapor lock?

@williamlopez4934

3 жыл бұрын

I know... thats crazy.

Get to the point on how to fix....instead of all the 'stories'!

Oh yes put a new 180 degree t stat and lower engine temp, and increase miles.

Fuel blends boiling at 100-degrees Fahrenheit? Bullshit.

Complete bullshit.