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@JonMow

2 ай бұрын

lol by your logic...mobile won the war

I can't remember where I heard this, but Valve keep winning just by letting its competitors make mistakes.

@rmo9808

2 ай бұрын

Asus is the latest example of this with it's customer support

@nickentros

2 ай бұрын

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake” -Napoleon Bonaparte

@The8bitbeard

2 ай бұрын

They're like a third country when the other two countries are at war with each other. They just sit back and relax as the refugees from the other war-torn nations come crawling in.

@MrToLIL

2 ай бұрын

Greed has infested the industry

@lionelt.9124

2 ай бұрын

​Although Asus has been shoving their own boot up their sphincter they aren't competition since they are just another way for users to buy games from Steam. Their competition are devices that compete for your time and/or can't play games bought through Steam such as consoles and arm mobile devices. ​@@rmo9808

Valve and Nintendo have won. Valve with PC and Nintendo in the console wars.

@Moskeeto

2 ай бұрын

Both without trying to compete and just doing their own thing instead.

@Quantum722

2 ай бұрын

It's a great harmony between PC and Nintendo letting other competitors make mistakes.

@triadwarfare

2 ай бұрын

I don't want nintendo to win by just being complacent. They need competition.

@nandotnt5678

2 ай бұрын

@triadwarfare that's true but the only company giving them competition is a pc store front. The others are over bloated and unsustainable, they can barely make back the costs of their games.

@AN1MUS00

Ай бұрын

@@triadwarfare is it really complacency if they are making good games that their audience enjoys? 😅

"Valve WON the Console Wars" And they didn't even have to play.

@HelgiWaag

2 ай бұрын

Sometimes that's the only winning move.

@maddoggaming1171

2 ай бұрын

“Never interrupt your opponent when they’re making a mistake”

@danielstellmon5330

2 ай бұрын

"Strange game. The only winning move is not yo play. How about a nice game of chess?"

@vgchronicle

2 ай бұрын

Without giving an opinion if I would like to have another launcher for games on pc or not, I wouldn't say they didn't even play, since delisting PS games that require a PSN account sends a clear message that they don't want to have PSN on PC next to Steam.

@luziriii

2 ай бұрын

@@vgchronicle this situation is actually more complex than that, did you know there are more countries w steam than countries w psn?

Exclusivity worked (for publishers)when gaming was growing and games weren't costing more than a Marvel movie to make.

@SkywardKing

2 ай бұрын

They made it that way. Games don't have to cost that much. They wanna take a game that should take 5 years and put it out in 1.5 to 2 years and then spend more than the game cost to make, on marketing, and then blame folks not getting a sequel on the fact that gamers didn't support, when it sold 5 to 10 million copies lol. Should never cost that much to break even. Especially when we have smaller teams cranking out masterpieces for a fraction of the budgets of these AAA gold dusted pieces of crap they keep launching at us Lol.

@matpit5136

2 ай бұрын

@@SkywardKing Everyone went the bloated open empty world game. Of course the cost skyrocketing. While compact and direct to the point contents are way enjoyable.

@applehazeva2739

2 ай бұрын

@@SkywardKing Hi Fi Rush is literally my favorite Game of last year aside from BG3. The fact that the People behind it lost their job before pitching the Sequel and their JRPG speaks volumes

@conchobar

2 ай бұрын

To put things in Perspective, Super Mario Bros 2 and 3 released around 6 months apart. Games are simply bloated today.

@XanderVJ

2 ай бұрын

@@SkywardKing Objectively wrong. Games get expensive because of graphical fidelity, not because of content. And consumers are the ones who asked for that. People now are saying otherwise because they like the dopamine fix they get by feeling morally superior to corporations, but it's a lie. For crying out loud, it wasn't that long ago that Insomniac got harassed because the first "Spider-Man" game had a "graphic downgrade" because the final game took away a few puddles in a scene that had been shown before. And this phenomenon hasn't disappeared at all. You only need to go discussions about the Switch 2 and people are losing their minds about the console not being as powerful as current gen consoles, because "can you imagine how "Tears of the Kingdom" would have looked like if it was on a "real console"?". Mark my words: as soon as the dust of this whole AAA industry debacle is settled, people will go back to bitch and moan about graphics as they've always done since the freaking 90s.

Valve has spent more than a decade building a steady base of customers and has pretty much always treated everyone very well. When you respect your customers, your customers will notice that and reward you with their loyalty and hard-earned dollars. Now Valve, don't you have something with a 3 in it to make? ;p

@mangagod

2 ай бұрын

Yeah, this.

@triadwarfare

2 ай бұрын

Valve will never count to 3 because they're already set up for life and is literally printing money at this point. They'd rather build a hero-shooter than make a sequel to their main game.

@MrNickpeck36

2 ай бұрын

@@triadwarfare yah, seems that way sadly.

Valve's tactic: "Do nothing against what people already have. Build new things to play their games on." Who would have thought that spending more than a decade building trust and expanding your marketbase would work in giving you stable and steady growth that amounts to big reliable customerbase.

As you guys talked about on this week’s podcast it really does feel like the best of times, the worst of times. And all of it so fast, as you said, “we’re seeing it happen in real time” which is just so surreal for an 80s kid

A huge part of why I think PC is the better gaming platform is the longevity of the library. I started my Steam account in 2004 and bought Half Life 2. Today, I can still load up Half Life 2 and play it on modern hardware like the Steam Deck just fine. In that same time, the PS2 was the current console. Sony has released the PS3, the PS4, the PSP and the PS Vita in that same time frame. Today, if you have a PS5, you cannot play your PS2, PS3, PSP, or PS Vita games unless you've repurchased some kind of "Playstation Classics" re-port or remaster. So I still have access to my 20 year old PC games on PC, and I fully expect in another 20 years I'll be able to continue to play those now 40 year old PC games in the retirement community. (Probably via neural interface or something.)

@alexandrustefanmiron7723

2 ай бұрын

While Ido agree with you, I want to point put also that water makes things wet!

Im going completely to steam now too.. have a steam deck and I want to build a steam machine for the living room..

@BoomMC_Inc

2 ай бұрын

Me too

@Koustav_04

2 ай бұрын

Use Chimera OS (Linux) for desktop PC to get console like experience.

@creatrixZBD

2 ай бұрын

Lol “a steam Machne” sounds like a version of a time machine. And in your living room, awesome!

@lazypanda8906

2 ай бұрын

This is the way 👍

@ZackSNetwork

2 ай бұрын

@@DarthTinderalla-qm9zwWhy AMD?

I'm actually just playing Remake right now. I won't play Rebirth until it hits Steam. But, I'll buy it day one when it does. So Square is just sitting there with money begging to be given to them but they won't take it from me...I'd love to give it to them for Rebirth on Steam.

@angelocruz525

2 ай бұрын

But can the Deck run Rebirth? I also want the game

@justinseans

2 ай бұрын

@angelocruz525 It'll probably be close. I mean, I'll play it on PC. Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth runs at a good 50 FPS on the Steam Deck, surprisingly well. I think, depending on how well it's optimized, it's possible. I honestly am playing ff7r on pc. I might download it on deck and see how it runs. I'm sure there is videos. If it runs good then there is a decent shot rebirth will.

@PsychKingler

2 ай бұрын

Remake and rebirth are completely different games. Remake was a ps4 game and rebirth pushes the ps5 to the limit. It's honestly much better in every way

@ganymedehedgehog371

2 ай бұрын

@@angelocruz525 the first one runs so rebirth should. Not as good as a ps5 but good enough.

*Sony and Microsoft breathes* Valve Wins

Yes, Valve did lol. Also I just got dying light for 2.99 and it runs fantastic on deck!

@WeKNOWTHETRUTHITSUNDISTPUTED

2 ай бұрын

Heck yea that’s super great value game is fun and does run great on handhelds like the steam deck

@Eevolved35

2 ай бұрын

Awesome game! They have a super fun event on right now too

@donniedarko4497

2 ай бұрын

@@WeKNOWTHETRUTHITSUNDISTPUTED I got it thinking " it's only 2.99 so if it sucks oh well and I can still refund it". And now that I'm playing it I'm shocked how good it looks, all settings on high and maintaining 50-60 FPS when I have several other games I play on LOW and can only hold 40 FPS. This game is on par now with TitanFall 2 for insane value and performance on deck ( I also got that for 2.99). This really goes to show how critical efficient development is for lower powered devices.

@donniedarko4497

2 ай бұрын

@@Eevolved35 I saw when I pressed continue it gave two options, continue with event, or without. I'm still figuring things out and was intimidated so just said Without plz

@Eevolved35

2 ай бұрын

@donniedarko4497 fair enough but if press with you get double xp until the event ends on 19th

Nintendo did and everyone knows it

@michaelcasiano9497

2 ай бұрын

"i'll out live all of you" - john marston.

@michaelwasserbauer4177

2 ай бұрын

Both Nintendo and now Valve - without Switch, handheld gaming wouldn´t be nearly as popular as nowdays and Valve used this perfectly...and also because this generation of Playstation and Xbox is really underwhelming

It's not even not true. The funniest part is Valve is coming out ahead in all of this. Valve who really hasn't even participated in the console wars. Isn't it ironic that the one who didn't play in it ends up winning in it. I find that hilarious. Plus they are like the only company who doesn't consistently crap on their customers constantly.

@gerardofacundo6721

2 ай бұрын

100 percent

@fsapo

2 ай бұрын

I just got a Steam Deck and I think that the PC right now has the best value, with Steam you get online play and save data backup for free, with Sony raising the PS+ price and raising game prices to $70 it doesn’t make sense (specially in Brazil where console games pay more taxes). Only reason I didn’t migrate to PC before is that I don’t have the time and patience to play around with settings nor want a noisy box, but the Steam Deck fixed all that for me.

@applehazeva2739

2 ай бұрын

The Steam Deck works becouse its an Open and Straight Forward Design. You dont get the console or PC experience. You get what you like and know. Its up to you and your device.

I can't wait to play God of War Ragnarok later this year on my PC.

I agree, PC is the best way to play games right now. In terms of modern systems I have a couple of Switches, a PC, a Steam Deck, and a Series S and PC is best.

@skycloud4802

2 ай бұрын

Steam Deck will satisfy me until the successor I think. I don't think I'll get bored of Steam. The platform is amazing.

If Square had put Rebirth on Steam and had a streaming version on Switch, I bet the game would have done as well as they thought it would've. For some reason Square thinks it's still the 90s and people will buy a Playstation for Final Fantasy but consoles are expensive now and rpg fans have chosen Switch and Steam. Companies have to go where people are, they can't bring people to where the company wants them to be. I feel like that's been obvious for 10 years maybe. Publishers are just realizing it.

@davidm4677

2 ай бұрын

You don’t know what are you talking about’

@ZackSNetwork

2 ай бұрын

Nope there are not enough Steam Decks for it to matter. Also Switch gamers hate cloud gaming. Square should have just launched both a PC and Series X/S version along with PS5.

@jqwright28

2 ай бұрын

@@ZackSNetwork Not in Japan, streaming games do fine there and Switch by far dominates Japan. It would have sold better on Switch. And when I say Steam, I mean Steam as in pc, linux and handheld.

@user-vi4xy1jw7e

2 ай бұрын

"Consoles are expensive now"? PS1 was $299 at launch, which would be close to 500 bucks in 2014. I'm being super generous with the time frame, because it would be over 600 bucks in 2024. That doesn't even include a memory card, which you kinda need.

@jqwright28

2 ай бұрын

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e That makes no sense. $500 today can have a different impact on people than $299 did back then due to how much discretionary spending they have. People today have much higher cost of living, you can't expect people today to have the extra cash to leave PC or Switch to buy a PS5 just for Final Fantasy, but that is what Square did.

I just want the Kingdom Hearts games on Steam. They've been on EGS for over 3 years and there's still no news (I think) about if they're a permanent exclusive or not

@lionvrdies

2 ай бұрын

It's annoying . This is deff a square issue with there company and how they handled that port.

@sagepirotess6312

2 ай бұрын

I own them on epic. On my pc 1 and 2 are black screen of death. 3 works.

@guiccosta04

2 ай бұрын

Thankfully this post didn't age well :) (except for Melody of Memory :p)

@lionvrdies

2 ай бұрын

@guiccosta04 that's funny who would have thought .

Except it won only in select markets because Valve international logistics are awfully bad.

This is why I love your videos. I actually in the process of making my open due to your 2nd channel. Thanks for being amazing.

When Valve releases its TV console, what are all these other consoles here for?

I might be alone here but are you able to say something like end quote when reading someone’s direct quote? I listen in my car and when working out so sometimes it’s difficult to know when the quote ends.

yeah, I can never go to Steam since I like my games physical. Love what the SD brought, but I'm still totally okay with exclusives. Don't own a PC and don't plan to, have a laptop for work and that's enough for me. Love when I play I move away from the place I worked, from desk to couch, and the most I love handheld gaming (not mobile, let's not mistake that)

One of the things to add is that steam does regional pricing in my country's currency (Philippine Peso). This significantly incentivices me to buy on steam than on switch or ps4 (my other consoles). I just got Hades 1 for 5USD equivalent in the recent sale for example.

After hearing all of this, the seemingly random move to bring Discord to consoles makes a lot more sense. Moving forward, it will be inexcusable for a game to not have cross platform multiplayer.

If the moment games aren't exclusive anymore everyone suddenly gravitates towards PC, it really begs the question, what is the point of consoles anyway? I think Sony and Microsoft really have to ask themselves this question, what are those consoles actually offering people. I think more and more gamers are becoming aware of how restrictive and limited the PS5 and Xbox actually are, and if they really want people to prefer those consoles over PC they have to have more things to offer rather than just holding a bunch of games hostage.

An interesting and informative take on the subject. Very well put, great video!

At this point it’s valve vs Nintendo

The consumers who want platform exclusivity are the people who bought every platform and want to be able to justify their purchase.

@NerdNest

2 ай бұрын

I bought every platform. The people that want exclusivity are the people that are stuck in the 80s with the Nonsense SEGA Vs Nintendo garbage.

@mrterrychaos

2 ай бұрын

@@NerdNest I agree with you. Let me be clear I'm not defending their stance. It's tribalist crap.

@nepaliprayasgurung2594

2 ай бұрын

​@@NerdNestAnd Sony vs Nintendo vs Microsoft fanboys their mentality sucks. I have Hacked OLED Vita, 2DS hacked stacked full of games, and Nintendo Switch OLED, Xbox one, and Steam Deck OLED. And Odin 2, I don't stick with one console depending on the brand name, I own whatever I want to console wars is stupid and same goes to pc master race and console wars too!

@vermiform

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I buy every console and I don't understand fanboyism. I buy exclusives on each console but play primarily on XSX.

@nepaliprayasgurung2594

2 ай бұрын

@@vermiform Finally we're in the minority dude people like us who don't defend Sony or Microsoft. Either way whether you choose Nintendo, or Microsoft or Sony their all making games more expensive at 70 bucks and their games are horrible buggy and glitchfest at launch which takes nearly 6 months to a year to get it fixed. That's why I will never be fanboy to these 3 giants. I will always support any company who are pro-consumers who support their customer base and respect them and don't think we're a fool by making shady decisions and trying to screw us over and not expect retaliation. For now I like what Valve is doing and therefore I will support Valve and and further support it in the future by buying Steam Deck 2!

Memories from junior high and high school, there was time for games but less money. Now less of an issue with money but time ends up being the big concern. Between work, gym time, commute hours, during the week there's only maybe about an hour or half an hour for hobbies. Making a fuss over which console or handheld is the best eats into that time. For physical game fans, consoles still make sense but that really depends on the game and making sure it doesn't need day one patches, DLC or important updates. Otherwise lack of exclusives on PS5 doesn't make it the most appealing option for me over the PC.

I do want to bring some game developer insight for the exclusive discussion. And I want to start with this, if developer is able, multiplatform is usually best, but there are caveats. When you go multiplatform you need to base your design for the lowest target. For example if your plans require a lot of system memory you might not be able to support Xbox and switch. Or you need to mitigate this in some way, possibly have two designs. Usually just compromise. If you want to make the most impressive title, having one platform that you can focus on makes it easier and sets boundaries. If you get the platform holder to help with the engineering, this could allow you to do things you would not guess possible since in most cases, they know the platform better than you do. Usually the scale of online features and user generated content can add a lot of complications the more platforms you have. You also need to be able to budget accordingly, the more ambitious the game the more you need to budget per platform. Now tools and experience can mitigate all of this a lot, but you need time for the team to learn the skillset, the tools required and to work together. And what both Larian and Square enix brought up, keeping the team together is really beneficial for continuing development to other games.

"Those people (console fanboys) seem to believe that the only way that something has value is if other people can't have it." Truer words have never been spoken.

I'm still worried that GTA6 will have more people go back to the exclusivity mentality since we don't know how long GTA6 will be console exclusive for.

You’d think that Square will do this, but they’ve been struggling for years with lower sales due to exclusivity. They just keep canceling projects and selling studios but don’t seem to ever do anything different.

I think foamstars would be more susseful if they released as HD2 did.

I almost got a Series X or PS5 for Tekken 8, I figured it would be nice to have a 4k Blu-ray player and a separate piece of hardware specifically for the living room TV. I just couldn't get over the $60-$120 yearly fee to play online. How stupid is that fee in current year.

The aspect/problem with this is that, as this is all going on, there's a slow roll toward making PCs more console-like. And if that's successful it's a problem that far outweighs any gains made by there being fewer game exclusives

@sergeykish

2 ай бұрын

Microsoft already had plans for walled garden Windows. Valve responded with Steam on Linux. Are you talking about Valve becoming greedy someday?

@lern2swim

2 ай бұрын

@@sergeykish I'm talking about the winds shifting that way overall. Linux is currently functioning as an alternative, we'll see how that plays out

The thing the console manufacturers fucked up on was believing that any single title sells one console over the other. A game selling a system was a true statement back in the 90s when online multiplayer was a PC only thing and it was technically difficult due to dial up Internet at that point what console your friend has was nearly irrelevant. Once online gaming came to consoles the sole deciding factor for the overwhelming majority of consumers on which box to buy is what their friends are on. The idea of a "system seller" game is mostly dead outside the customers that buy multiple consoles in a generation and even with those consumers they likely would have bought them anyways.

Exclusives are what defines a console, or at least what used to....if exclusives dont exist they might as well all band together and make a single platform

MS and Sony were done when they tried to market **weak** gaming machines PS4 and XBO as multimedia devices.

This was inevitable when the latest gen Sony and Microsoft consoles both opted for x86 CPU architecture. It's too much easier to port console games to PC than before and publishers like money

Console wars are losing relevance each passing year when they only boil down to who has the biggest numbers and what shape is their controller. Aside from first party exclusives, its hard to feel excited for the release of new consoles.

None of this is to mention the ENOURMOUS savings and/or gains from additional sales due to a single marketing/hype cycle

I think exclusivity makes sense when you are trying to grow a market. Like in VR meta spending for some exclusives to try and drive headset sales. It doesn't make sense in established markets.

Square on XBox?! What world have I found myself in?!?

Has everyone forgot about Sega? They went console less and ended up making WAY more money than if they had stayed trying to make games on their own console.

@user-hh4hc2lt6e

2 ай бұрын

That’s why PlayStation is becoming a multi platform studio instead of only on PS. Also i think Xbox will become a virtual Xbox in the Xbox app on PC.. it’ll all be PC eventually. Consoles r dying

@skycloud4802

2 ай бұрын

It's a shame though in a way. I thought Sega made excellent hardware. Sega already solved the problems Nintendo is currently having with joy on drift. The Dreamcast decades ago now had a magnetic hall effect control stick!

@JoeL-xk6bo

2 ай бұрын

that's only because they wasted money at a historic rate with hardware releases back to back to back to back until they literally went broke.

@MmntechCa

2 ай бұрын

Sega in the mid to late 90s was being badly managed. There's a lot in common with what's happening with Xbox right now. The Saturn had a tone deaf launch in North America, which they never recovered from. There was no cohesive strategy to get compelling software for the system. On top of that, there was considerable infighting between Sega of Japan and Sega of America. Dreamcast was a Hail Mary pass, but they'd already lost a lot of loyal fans due to the Saturn's botched launch and quick discontinuation. Sega then dropped an absurd amount of money developing Shenmue, which ended up being a commercial failure. By 2001, they were so deep in the hole, they had no choice but to drop hardware.

@mightza3781

2 ай бұрын

@@skycloud4802 having to compete with giants the size of Sony and Microsoft in economies of scale was always a losing proposition. Nintendo has been coasting along with hardware gimmicks since they can't compete in hardware specs cost effectively. If the Switch failed after the WiiU's lacklustre time, Nintendo might have had to call quits on hardware, since 3rd party titles won't continue to run on their comparatively weaker hardware, though Pokemon by itself is probably enough to prop any hardware they have.

I wonder how long consoles will be a thing

Great channel. Great voice. Great content.

PC Handhelds in general is winning the console war. Gaming PC + PC Handheld is the best combo nowadays. PC Handhelds is mainly for PC gamers, but will still hurt the sales of "Switch 2" as PC gamers won't have much interrest in it like with Switch which didn't have any competitor for years. There is a reason why MS have hinted at PC games support on next console. Consoles already used PC components for over 10 years.

I mean Nintendo is now the only one that can have exclusives since people will accept mid budget exclusives on a handheld. And mid budget games can afford a smaller market.

the stupidest thing they've ever did is made it only exclusive to PS5 🤦🏽‍♂️ I was so mad

Rebirth would never have been as good as it is if it wasn't exclusive. For this series specifically I'm glad it was exclusively on PS because I want to play it the best way possible.

I feel like console era is coming to an end soon. Probably next gen gonna be last, and I feel they will all try to do something like a switch and steam deck. But I do not think they can compete with a market that already started in handheld market before them by years and have more experience in it. Especially when steam deck has a huge library that's been expanding for decades and switch 2 might have backward compatibility with their exclusives and switch 3 or whatever is next could still have backward compatibility.

Just picked up both risk of rain games last night along with GTA 4 complete edition. Also playing fallout 3 lately in the deck. I got great deals on risk of rain and gta 4

The reason FF7Remake was exclusive to epic was because it's made with unreal engine which epic owns. So they probably got a cost reduction as part of the exclusivity.

Switching to (a) SteamOS (clone) was the best thing I did, coming from mostly PlayStation consoles. I’ve got the console experience and the much broader Steam library which includes Microsoft and PlayStation exclusives. Also game pricing tends to be better.

Potential problem for Steam Deck regarding Sony titles is anything that requires PSN login won't work on Deck. I suspect this is fixable with a bit of hackery though.

The moment Phil Spencer announced that their next console(s) was strictly digital, going forward it made sense to stick with Valve for people's back library on Steam. No one wants to rebuild their catalog on two different services, especially considering Microsoft's record of dropping services, servers and studios. I'll stick with Sony (PS5 Pro and hopefully PS6) for my disc-based gaming.

@joshuawalker7038

2 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s what i did, I just use my series x for huge games and multiplayer but steam deck is my main now. I just want valve to put out a tv box.

@Elkarlo77

2 ай бұрын

@@joshuawalker7038 The TV Box failed. It wasn't matured enough. The Steamdeck is literally the third iteration of the TV-Box. It would be nice if there would be no Steam Controllers out there.

@user-vi4xy1jw7e

2 ай бұрын

Why don't you just go PC completely?

@joshuawalker7038

2 ай бұрын

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e because my friends play on Xbox and my Xbox is more powerful than my gaming pc and Steam deck.

@anthonym5395

2 ай бұрын

@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Many reasons - not to be hassled with consistent driver updates and compatibility issues, space constraints/blending into the living room, ease of plug-and-play use with the television, etc - I've done PC gaming in the past and there's definitely advantages of using it, but who's to say that the next valve "console" won't have the best of both worlds (SteamOS and ability to upgrade RAM/GPU).

If you can only choose one and the select games you care about most are on PC, then I think PC is the best. Steam Deck for many would be best as it’s a much better price point. The only good argument is Switch. Nintendo holds their own so amazingly well w/ their first party that it’s a fair competition

@15:06 it kind of sounded like you almost misspoke and said erection. I don't need to keep laughing at this but I can't help it 😂

Miyamoto V. Gaben the Dawn of Games!

I’m also platform agnostic! I want to experience all of them

I got my legion go and it's so amazing. My entire steam library in a versatile system. Not to mention, xbox game pass, geforce now. PC is the platform to be on.

It's been 17 years since the PS3 and Xbox360 were launched, a particularly dark point in gaming history for the PC. Every month gaming magazines would announced the death of PC gaming and regurgitating an endless wave of articles comparing how superior consoles are to the PC. Epic Games packed up their Unreal 3 from the PC to entice console players. One PC-only genre after another moved to consoles until only the RTS and MMOs are the only exclusives left. 2024: current consoles are pretty much custom PCs without mouse and keyboard. Much of their exclusive titles are on the PC and Epic Games is trying to entice PC players back. And both Sony and Microsoft are racing to capture as many PC players as possible because their console war is becoming too unsustainable.

Layden: "When you costs for a game exceed $200 Million, exclusivity is your Achilles' heel" Rockstar: "Wanna bet?" I mean Rockstar prooves this statement wrong: We play their titles on the exclusive consoles, then we buy their enhanced edition on it again, then we buy it on PC release as it is even more advanced there ... Id say it depends on the quality of your game. But Rockstar is pretty similar to Valve for me. Both are rock solid and very high performing companies.

They didn't say they would support the steam deck. PC and Switch 2 but not the steam deck. Or did i miss that?

I always thought that first party exclusivity helped Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft because it brought players into their ecosystem, which then leads to people buying additional games from the Nintendo e-shop, PlayStation Store, and Xbox store. For example, a person might stop buy the Nintendo e-shop to buy a Zelda game, see a Final Fantasy game on sale, and then buy the Final Fantasy game that is on sale. Nintendo then gets money from both the Zelda game that the customer stopped by the e-shop for AND the Final Fantasy game that the customer had no intention of purchasing but just happened to buy because they spotted it on sale while browsing for their Zelda game. This same customer may then get into the habit of checking the e-shop again and now and then to see what is on sale. Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo still have a tough decision on their hands regarding whether it’s more profitable to make their games exclusive to their platform in order to draw people into their respective online shops to spot other games that are on sale, or to release their games on multiple platforms simultaneously. I definitely agree with Shawn Leyden regarding live-service games. The profit from live-service games comes from kids playing with their friends and then begging their parents to buy the latest skins, weapons, and armor. It’s important to get the game out in multiple platforms in order to get as many kids to play the game immediately on whatever device they can immediately get their hands on whether it be a console, PC, tablet, or phone (example: Fortnite). These kids are not in the business of spotting other games on eShop and deciding to buy them while they are browsing. They are in the business of buying the latest gear for their live-service game. It is very important to cash in on a live-service game’s popularity immediately because the popularity of live-service games can quickly wane over time. In some cases, player engagement drops in half or less in about a month making it all the more important increase the ‘funnel size’ of their micro-transaction funds immediately by making it available on multiple platforms on the very first day of release.

@NerdNest

2 ай бұрын

That is how it used to work, but the cost of making the BIG games, makes it hard to get that cost back without selling to a larger number of customers.

Yeah times have been changing look at Sega/Atlus with their Persona titles they used to be PlayStation exclusive now they are on multiple platforms and there is no doubt in my mind that Persona 6 is going to be a multiplatform title. Also Square Enix needs to get their Kingdom Hearts games on to Steam as well.

my personal game of the year contenders are either Persona 3 Reload or Like A Dragon Infinite Wealth , also common Valve W

I'm waiting to play final fantasy on pc in vr with psvr2 headset.

I LOVE my Valve Steam Deck OLED 1TB. Its incredible

Do we have numbers on the sales of the steam deck before saying this cuz the steam deck is not a console technically and well yea

The platform manufacturers are the only ones that benefit from exclusivity

Sony could just have their own PC store to sell their games on PC. It’ll still in a way stay exclusive to their platform and Sony could control the backend.

HA! ‘Shrinkage’, love it!

the day FF rebirth, 16 and bloodborne draws near!

Love my ROG Ally for all of this. Good times ahead

@NerdNest

2 ай бұрын

Hell yes.

I mostly side with you on console exclusives not being better off being on one medium. I would like to know what you think about Nintendo and their own properties, same rules but an entirely different scenario? It would almost be a shame to see Zelda or Mario on a non Nintendo console. I still do agree and as time goes on do you think those properties should move to other consoles and pc also? I myself would love to have Nintendo on Steam, but I don't think it is ever likely. Nintendo is It's own world. As strange as it sounds if we can't have Nintendo on Steam, then Steam on Nintendo would be alright by me also. I very much welcome these kinds of changes in gaming today, I love Valve and Nintendo most of all.

My SD is plugged into my 4k 55 inch. No need to touch any other console.

@countryswagg365alldaylong2

2 ай бұрын

I'm glad to hear this, how doea it work on docked mode. I just picked up the reg sd.

@FS-zt6tm

2 ай бұрын

this probably looks like crap. Valve needs to get on the eGPU bandwagon for Steam Deck 2 to make a true console hybrid

@lionvrdies

2 ай бұрын

@@FS-zt6tm the plug in the wall should be a feature they can use to boost performance.

@AFlockOfMorons

2 ай бұрын

Lol, imagine plugging an 800p handheld into a 😢4k TV and pretending it looks good. Meanwhile, on my Lenovo go, I'm playing actual native 4k at 144fps through moonlight. Not to mention, if I wanted to, I could plug my extra 3080ti directly into the go, making it a desktop pc. Imagine having an 800p handheld with no egpu compatibility and convincing yourself you have the best experience....

@FS-zt6tm

2 ай бұрын

@@AFlockOfMorons that's the main reason why I sold my Steam Deck. eGPU + handheld PC is an amazing combination. It's like having a sup'd up Switch

It's weird, when Sifu became available on Steam after resting on Epic I didn't buy it. God of War was similar, when the game arrived on Steam my dwindling excitement got me past the first boss and no further. I want my excitement to remain for Stellar Blade, the reality is when the game finally reaches Steam my excitement will have probably died. Exclusivity won't bait me into buying another temporary console, developers don't want exclusivity either but fat cheques can't be ignored.

there's an upside and downside to SquareEnix changing to releasing multi-platform. Upside, big sales reaching to different community groups and many regions. Downside, the devs will be overworked to get other platforms to work... which might lead to Cyberpunk 2077 disaster launch.

SE has put games on PC before. It's not some crazy strategy shift for SE. Most of their games are multi-platform. Nintendo also has more exclusive SE games on than Sony.

Best handhelds in my opinion 3. Nintendo Switch 2. Odin 2 1. Steam Deck OLED

People also start to realize that exclusives are anti gamer. Before exclusives were a bit more understandable. Consoles were more their own thing and porting was a bit more of a hassle. With every console basically being like pcs, there is nothing technical preventing you from porting over. Think about the ps3 cell architecture. Very advanced for the time, very hard to develop for. Ps5? Series? Even switch? All basically x86. Budget is also too high for AAA games and indies don't have a lot of money so obviously they wanna release on as much as possible. If it was possible, I would like every game on every platform and let people just game on what they prefer.

The main target platforms in the next decade will be Nintendo's and Valve's. PlayStation will still exist but they will no longer be the primary target for third parties, not like they've been since the PS2 days. I can easily see Microsoft pivot entirely towards publishing after 10th gen. We'll see

There's still going to be Epic Exclusives on PC.

@NerdNest

2 ай бұрын

Oh, there will, but I'm thinking Square is regretting working with Epic in the past.

@alanaeichsteadt

2 ай бұрын

With the cautionary tale that is Alan wake 2, and several others, I don’t think epic will be sought out for any new contracts going forward

@NerdNest

2 ай бұрын

At GDC recently devs were saying that the deals for EGS exclusives were drying up. Same with Gamepass offers.

@alanaeichsteadt

2 ай бұрын

@@NerdNest I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise

10:40. I've been gaming since the early 80s. I like exclusives 1st party. I have always purchased all consoles. Now I just own PS5, XSX, and stram deck. It has nothing to do with console wars. Gamers have a choice and deserve that console to have exclusives. Why they like a certain brand and certain games come with that brand.

Nintendo won this generation. The sheer number of units sold showed that form factor and quality games won. Now it’s being imitated. Valve wasn’t the first in the ‘PC’ handheld space, but they had the advantage of their library being the de facto in that space.

The fact that the kingdom Hearts series is still EGS exclusive breaks me

i totally agree with you

10:49 you should check out NightSkyPrince's video on this, but technically console exclusivity is a low risk move for 3rd party developers. The platform owner fronts the cost for development, so if the game is a stinker then the platform owner bears all the cost, but if the game is a hit then once the platform owners break even, the rest of the profit goes to the developers. It's a gamble, but it's a safe bet because the developers usually don't need to front their own capital.

In the end, Valve always wins...

When all of FFVII Remakes come to PC as a bundle, I'll be the first to buy it. Hopefully I don't die by then 😅 I'm also very excited to play FFXVI when that releases on PC.

It's not like the consoles are even unique anymore. They are all basically the same hardware. I wasn't a Sony fan, but I miss the PS3.

@VOAN

2 ай бұрын

The thing is if a hardware is too unique then dev will had a hard time with it just like the N64 and Wii where the hardware or controller is just too unique that dev are not too familiar with it.

Tell that to Nintendo then. For a company that produces hardware, it makes complete viable sense to have exclusives to sell hardware, it's not rocket science. You say Rebirth is a failure but didn't state any numbers, fine. I've stated before that the actual issue is development costs and marketing. There's too much inflation and leeches in the industry at the moment that makes any "AAA" title to be a loss. A title being exclusive is a small fraction in the equation, again, Nintendo is the golden standard when it comes to this. The end result as you see the market shift is for "smaller" and "cheaper" titles. Technology will regress to mediate overhead costs for companies.

@VOAN

2 ай бұрын

The thing is Nintendo doesn't throw money at third party developers to make exclusives for them, they made their own exclusives and those exclusives are ones they own. Sony and Microsoft choose to port their games to other platforms which is fine but in the long run that will come back to harm their consoles. A consoles needs 1st party exclusives too but at the same time also needs third party titles as well whether exclusives or not. One thing videogame doesn't do anymore is to release different game sharing the same title on multiple console, that would had been wild and unique. Back in the old days different consoles got an Aladdin, Power Rangers, TMNT, Shadowrun, Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sparkster, and Batman Returns but despite the same titles, all are actually different unique game exclusive to that console for example Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 on Game Gear are not ports of Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 that was released on the Sega Genesis, Sparkster on Genesis and Super NES are actually different game and not just ports, TMNT Tournament Fighters for NES, Sega Genesis, and Super NES are all unique fighting games and not port of each other, etc.

I love my steamdeck oled!

Could you imagine how annoyed people would be if hi fi rush only went to xbox and the studio was closed

Square off probably still made more money this way because if they release it on steam people wouldn’t have bought it until it was a humble bundle anyway at least they got development cost upfront from Sony

It’s the best time for valve to release a console pc that is powerful like PS5 and runs steam OS or let’s say a deck console. I would sell my PS5 for this