Always looking for your video. Thanks so much Sir All these amp modeling companies will have to be consulting you for inputs during the product trial stages. God bless your the work of your hands

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciated! It would be a pretty fun and interesting experience to try these units in production trial stage...😊

With your last 2 videos, we can clearly hear the limitations of amp modeling. As the JCM800 in the previous one, the real Vox AC30 sounds way much better. And in this specific settings, I found the Fractal doesn't justify such a difference of price with the Valeton. Once again, great video and thank you very much for sharing all this!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome, thank you for sharing your opinion!

Buen video, así expones las 3 opciones para cada gusto good job my friend Saludos from Mexico 🇲🇽🎸

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Fabian!

I dindn’t expect the Valeton could be so close to the real amp, because in the previous test the NUX, that has more advanced specifications but the same price, was less close to the real amp and with some artifacts that I don’t ear in the Valeton. Please compare the Valeton with the NUX and the real Marshall

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, actually I also want to do an head to head test between the NUX vs the Valeton...it would be pretty interesting...but I would like to try different amps...to diversify these tests! Thank you!

@tiago5a

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr It would be great

Awesome review

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'm super happy that you like the video!

Great, comprehensive video as always. I think modeling has gotten to a point where it gets "close enough" that you don't have to spend a fortune to get usable tones. And my thought is that if it inspires you to create music, even though the tone may not be spot-on with the real amp, it doesn't really matter to your listener. God bless and keep up the good work!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you!!!! Thank you also for sharing your opinion...yes, gear should inspire us, this is one of the most important thing...I do agree! see you!

Even if I'm a bassist , I've found this video very interesting, bravo Leo, great job 👍

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciated!

Nice and detailed lml, it would be great that comparison beetwen Valeton and the Nux, it looks like the Valeton does not have those weird or unnatural artifacts. Thanks for the content, Leo :D

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes, a video like this with Valeont and NUX would be pretty nice!!! I will think about it, thank you for your suggestion!

@tiago5a

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr please do!

The Vox definitely sounds better than the other 2, but not by much. If you only want to play a vox, then get the real amp. This may be the hardest amp to copy anyway except for maybe dumble. I love Vox, but also love Fender Princeton and Bassman, Mesa Boogie, Marshall plexi, Engl, Egnater, Hiwatt, Dumble, Dr Z, Orange, 5150, etc so I would go with the FM3 all day and never look back. By the way, I did not think your videos could get any better, but they are. Thanks for all the work you put into this!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciated! Thank you also for sharing your opinion!

Interesting comparison and insightful review comments. The FM3 really shines in it's ability to easily and accurately model an amp. The Valeton was ok, but understandably, fell short of what the FM3 can do. Modern Multi-effects Processors are amazing. I doubt that there is a vintage amp that could "model" half of what even an inexpensive one can do. In my opinion, Modern Multi-effects Processors are the best way to get great sounding, interesting, unique, versatile tones at an affordable price on a lightweight unit and small footprint. At this point, is kind of like comparing a race horse and a race car. Each has its own beauty, appeal, and domain. YMMV - Thanks!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you for sharing you interesting opinion! I do agree...these amp modeling pedalboards are really good!

Hello all, it's amazing how well the Valeton GP100 has done compared to the Fractal FM3, which costs many times more! In my opinion, good tube amps are hard to beat to this day - but the modelers are right on their heels. I think in a few years you will hardly be able to hear the differences. With kind regards Mic from old Germany

@LeoGibsonGtr

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mic, thank you for sharing your opinion and your findings!

@marioruther6181

Жыл бұрын

Hi Mic, eine Sache die du dabei nicht vergessen darfst ist, dass die alle nach anderen Vorbildern gemodelt wurden. Ein AC30 war über die Jahre nicht gleich. Zumal es damals ja wirklich so war, dass jeder Amp anders geklungen hat. Dementsprechend finde ich es recht schwachsinnig einen AC30 welcher auf einem ganz anderen Modell beruht mit einem neuem AC30 zu vergleichen. Das einzige was da gleich ist der Name. Btw, gemodelt im Fractal ist der Handwired AC30 den man auch heute zu kaufen bekommt. Dieser klingt ja doch auch in echt sehr anders als der stangen AC30. Aber das wird sich auch mit fortschreitender Modelling Technologie nicht ändern...

@TheRedSpecialPlayer

Жыл бұрын

@@marioruther6181 Hallo Mario, vielen Dank für Deine informative Antwort! Ich gebe Dir in allen Punkten Recht, denn als langjähriger AC30-Player, weiß ich sehr wohl, wie unterschiedlich diese Kisten klingen können. Bei meinen Favoriten handelt es sich um einen AC30/6 TB-Reissue aus den frühen Neunzigerjahren mit 1x12" Celestion-Alnico-Blue-Bulldog und 1x12" Celestion-G12H-Anniversary-Speaker, den mir Thomas Reußenzehn, als er noch lebte, etwas heißer gemacht hat. Zu dieser Kiste gesellt sich noch ein Vox AC30 Brian May Signature Amp, der ebenfalls für meine Ohren höllisch gut klingt, obwohl er in China gebaut wurde. Ich war im Besitz von einem Fractal Audio, aber der gemodelte AC30 konnte mich nicht überzeugen, irgendwie »schimmerte« er mir nicht genug und ließ es zudem an Transparenz fehlen. Ich bin zwar inzwischen auch »ver-modelt«, ziehe aber echte Röhrenamps diesen sogenannten Wunderkisten in jedem Fall vor. Wie sagte Thomas Reußenzehn immer so schön: »Man braucht keine tausend verschiedene Sounds, sondern nur einen, richtig guten Sound, an dem man dich wie die großen Player wiedererkennen kann.« Ich denke, er hatte mit dieser Aussage voll und ganz Recht, und deswegen werde ich wohl auch nie ein Fan dieser Modelingamps, denn es gibt im Sound eines echten Röhrenverstärkers Faktoren, die sich nicht »einfangen« lassen, und sei es auch nur der Hauch der Geschichte, der Nostalgie, die die meisten von ihnen umgibt. Mit musikalischen Grüßen Mic 🙂

Leo: I risk to keep making the same general comment on several of your videos and that's because I like them! :) But... Trying to make that experience to result in getting the same sound is very difficult by the following reasons at least: - The analogue path of the signal before the amplification (real amp) or ADC may not have the same response and gain; - The models may not be close enough (that's the part you want to show); - The final path (speakers and microphones included) may present significant differences between what was used during the modelling development and what you are using for the real amp sound. I believe it would be useful to try to get the same sound of the real amp with the modelers, even if needing to use other filtering blocks so shape the response before and after the amp. I am in the waiting list for an FM3 and I would like to see, not if it is a good modeler, but ultimately if I can get the same sound quality (or better) of the real amp.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Antonio, thank you for liking the videos...It's really important for me! I see your point..there are tons of parameters we can change and tweak. I would just like to add that in my opinion getting the exact same sound of the real amp is important but it's not the most important think. For me one of the most important think is the level of realism of the modelers as regards the way they manage the envelope of the note and the dynamic range. This is, in my opinion, the focus of these type of videos. Thank you once more for sharing your opinion!

The FM3 is closer than Valeton but FM3 is a little darker than original REAL AC30. Thank you for the comparing

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

You are welcome! thank you for your message!

Nice demo. It confirms modeling is far from delivering accurate tone, still too harsh frequencies on high and lacks of bass precise punch ones. For now I’m in love with the Kemper wich is pretty incredible, and mooer Ge Labs. Would love you to offer some Kemper profiles :)

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes, I'm working to some Kemper profiles and some IR...I'm trying to get the best sound ... I will keep you informed. Thank you!

Great comparison! A blindfold test would be very telling I think. I actually found the real amp too brittle, glassy.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Nicky, thank you for sharing your opinion!

Good comparison. The amp handled the high frequencies much nicer than both the modellers. I thought the Fractal sounded pretty horrible in the high frequencies and the Valeton, less so, but still harsh. The time where a modeller would be handy for me is when I'm playing a very simple setup in a small space and only DI'd, playing a duo or trio setup. Therefore, the Valeton would be good enough for me.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, thank you for sharing your opinion!

Thanks for a good channel. You dont get any feedback problems using a real amp in the loop of the paralell mixer? high squeeling sounds or hums? Keep up the comparisons.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you!!! No, actually no problem so far.

@axrip1

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr Great to hear, I think im gonna get the ehx tri parallel as well! If you can, it would be cool to see a video of it. Of course I dont know if the interest will be that high but If I can use the tri paralell over lets say buying an ampete its an powerful tool indeed. Hoping to use 2 amps in one of each loops there. Cheers and best of luck Leo

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

thank you!!!! let me just say that the Ampete has much more to offer, for instance like the possibility to. connect different cabs to your amp...that the tri parallel does not offer. Thank you!

Ciao Leo, complimenti per i tuoi video, ti seguo da un po' di tempo e sei molto bravo a spiegare e anche a suonare ! Ci sei anche su Facebook ?

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Grazie Federico!!! Si, se cerco Leo Gibson su Facebook dovresti trovarmi...presto però di solito più attenzione ai commenti su KZread che su Facebook. Ciao

You should use the same speaker impedance curve on Fm3 edit speaker tab, as your suhr reactive loadbox it is like marshall green back 4x12, so try “4x12 brit greenback” or “4x12 basketweave” or “Loadbox LB-2 UK”,It should get closer to you Ac30

@208414

3 жыл бұрын

I just left essentially the same comment! I agree that this would give the FM3 a better chance of getting close to the loaded down amp's tone.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I will check out what you suggest!

Hi my friend. Great comparison. I just have the Valeton GP-100 and I think is pretty good. Man I have a question, do you have a guitar method to buy online? Thanks a lot.

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I'm happy that you like the comparison! Actually not...there some instructional videos on my channel, that you can find here: kzread.info/head/PL5d6_Yq6oCrwnAizSBk75qSKMquvlvH7- I should do a guitar method...but I don't have time ... so far... Thank you!

@JaiderEstidwarMejiaSerrano

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr Thank you so much

I just received the Valeton and only after 20 minutes of usage…… BLOWN AWAY!! Sounds, user interface, build quality, setup ….. everything. Unreal value at ANY cost. And I only paid $100!!!

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm really sorry for that...hope you can get a new one....

@anadjordjevic3673

2 жыл бұрын

I think Leo did not understood well enough.. Blown away is a good thing, it means that user was pleasantly surprised. The unit did not explode! Lol, cheers!

Since the Suhr Reactive Load is based on the impedance curve of a greenback 4x12 cab you should go to the speaker tab in the amp block of the FM3 and load a greenback 4x12 impedance curve. That will help the model get closer to matching the sound of the real amp. I really like these in-depth comparison videos. Keep up the good work!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you David, I will check out what you suggest!!!

The difference between the amp and the modelers were quite big, the real amp sounded like it had a wider frequency spectrum and more open, the modelers more narrow an boxy. The real amp sounded much better especially when it was breaking up where the modelers could sound quite nasty even. This is not a video that would make me want to buy either Fractal or Valeton but rather a real Vox amp although i think they are quite unpractical and limited. Interesting comparison and great video as always Leo !

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Stefan, like always, thank you for sharing your opinion!!!!

The fantastic Spongy behaviour of real amp is missing.. I love analog and digital domain, but in this video I receive this. And headrush? Like placed

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! ... I should do a video also with the Headrush....

LIKE!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Thiago, really appreciated!

Great comparison! I agree with you about the note separation, in particular I hear some high-pitched artifacts in both the modelers. I don't know if anything else could be done to improve the sound. On the FM3 maybe tweaking the impedance curve or the speaker compression could help. But again, it's very tricky to achieve the same exact result in particular since you're using a load box. Very similar and usable, though! Cheers

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Fabio, also for sharing your opinion with us!!!

I like new black outfit ! 👍😉

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Leo would you agree the GP100 reverbs are not great? If you palm mute or staccato pick they all have this underlying wash and also a predelay that no matter what I do is always there.

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jay, yes, I do agree. In general I don't like too much the GP 100 effects, I said also in my review, here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y2yFrqNxhbOflLw.html Thank you for your message!

The AC-30 emulation sounds distorted in a non-musical way even at low gain when you are playing softly, which I don't understand. I also noticed this in your NUX MG-300 video. Can you verify your EGX Parallel Mixer is not overloading the inputs of the GP-100 and FM3?

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, actually also the real VOX is connected to the Tri Parallel Mixer, with the exact same settings of the modelers. Nevertheless I will check out once more Thank you for your message and for sharing your opinion!

@zoomosis

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr You're welcome. The input stage of the real VOX (or any tube guitar amp) should cope better with the (possibly) high output of the mixer, since the VOX is entirely analogue with a lot of "headroom", compared to the digital modellers.

@Docksidestudio1

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to say the same. This video the amp hardly has any gain and then both modellers sound way too gainy! I kept thinking as you were dealing them in “turn the gain down, turn the gain down!”

CIAO LEO Io credo e resto dell idea che per quanto i modeller oggi giorno siano perfetti in ambito live ,avere il propio ampli a casa o in studio sia assolutamente obbligatorio per chi ama la chitarra... Il Kemper è comunque quel sistema che riesce a soddisfarmi sempre, in quanto in circa 2 minuti riesco ad ottenere pressoché il suono del mio ampli e o comunque del routing mic cavi preamp(a casa ho un neve73)cosa impossibile con gli altri di casa line6 fractal ecc

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Ciao Andrea, grazie di aver condiviso la tua opinione...mi ci ritrovo! Grazie Ciao

Hi Leo, I'm wondering if the GP100 sounds as good as the GP200 and with externals IR as well?

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, good question! I've not done a direct comparison yet...but I should do it... Thank you for your suggestion!

@Dami1rush

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr thanks Leo

Valeton sounds very impressive for the price! Real vox is the best! Fm3 is the winner! It has little more distorted sound, but all harmonics are there. Valeton loose but sounds surprisingly close to real vox. Maybe external EQ can match it even closer. Is Valeton has the same amp modeling as ampero? Or it sounds even closer to real vox?

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion! I don't know about the ampero...maybe in one of my next videos I will check it out!

@user-os3vt8lm6g

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr on forums people say that dsp algorithms of valeton and ampero are the same. The only difference are digital converters and ability to choose mic in cab block of ampero

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Ok...pretty interesting! Thanks!

@Unvr5

3 жыл бұрын

Андрей Полевой Ampero is better, more dynamic and better sound.

As Leo said..you likely couldn't tell the difference in a mix or certainly not live in stage. If you have the real amp, fantastic but why in the world spend so much on a modeler when the Valeton cost 1/6 of the FM 3 ? Take the $850 saved and buy a nice guitar

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Nice consideration! Thank you for sharing your opinion!

valeton is really worthy unit!!!!!))))

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

The value for money is pretty high...

@ericromano892

2 жыл бұрын

Leo! if u ll have some free time,can u test Roland VG-99 ? plssss))))

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Eric, unfortunately I don't have the VG 99...it's a nice unit for sure...but I should buy it... Thank you for your suggestion!

Non so se nel mix si distinguerebbe il valeton dal fractal. Non dimentichiamo che oggi il pubblico ascolta gli mp3 con le cuffiette del cellulare...p.s.: nota negativa, non c'è demo song da ascoltare :-) (vabbè, un po' alla fine...)

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Ciao Roberto, nel mix penso farei fatica a distinguerli..Riguardo la demo song hai ragione...ma questi video sono interessanti (penso) e riesco a farli abbastanza velocemente, mentre le demo song richiedono più lavoro e tempo....non riesco ancora a farne più di uno a settimana...:) Graze per il commento e per seguire il canale!!!

@robertodepetro1996

3 жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr si, era tanto per dire per la song. Un abbraccio

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertodepetro1996 Certo, grazie!

6:17 6:25 6:33

@LeoGibsonGtr

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Привет, странный у тебя акцент) Ты из какой страны?)

@LeoGibsonGtr

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I'm from Italy, thank you for your message!

You put too much work into these videos (: good job. In my opinion the real amp allways sounds better but modellers have their place too. They are great for making quick demos without the fuss of areal amp. I guess they are usefull in alive situation too, The crowd wont hear the difference and you save your back but for making a record there is nothing like the real deal. Enother point is that matching the tones is getting more and more useless cause we are getting used to the sound of moddelers so why bother matching? just get the best sound of the gear you have and you are fine. Thank you for your hard work!

@LeoGibsonGtr

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the appreciation of the video and for sharing your opinion! Matching the sound could be less important, but it is a preliminary step (in my opinion) to be able to check out the feel, where the dynamic response is pretty important (still in my opinion).

nessuno dei due multieffetto si avvicina al vero suono dell'ampli, neanche fm3

@LeoGibsonGtr

Жыл бұрын

Ciao Luciano, grazie per aver condiviso la tua opinione ed i tuoi findings!

@luciopooh

Жыл бұрын

@@LeoGibsonGtr Grazie leo, sei molto bravo e ti seguo sempre, se puoi qualche tutorial fallo in italiano

@LeoGibsonGtr

Жыл бұрын

Grazie Luciano, mi fa piacere che ti piaccia il canale!!! E' una cosa che vorrei fare, ...dovrei fare due video, uno in italiano ed uno in inglese....ma è lavoro quasi doppio...ci vuole tempo... Grazie comunque del suggerimento!!