Vain was the best sprinter I have ever seen, absolutely magnificent and that's an understatement. In late 2021, we rescued his great, great etc grand-daughter who had been tossed aside as worthless. After renaming her, she had a brief racing career in Queensland and now is a terrific brood mare and the mother of a Pierata filly. She is carrying her second foal sired by Top Ranked. We love her and are so glad we saved her life and are continuing Vain's lineage. The filly is ten months old today. ❤

To hear he was black caviars grandad was so satisfying, he was a gorgeous horse.

Well I was a 10 year old at the time , and his winning ways got me interested in the Thoroughbreds , and I still follow the game 54 years later , not many could have done what he did and it's good to know his blood is still out there , he is a benchmark in horse racing imho , and I thank the horse for giving me the interest of my life time

@48tilt

4 ай бұрын

Most brilliant horse i have seen

Excellent production many never seen before clips so well enhanced Thank You Shadow productions

@48tilt

9 ай бұрын

Got to echo your thoughts Rubicon. Fantastic to have so many of these rare clips together. Thanks so much Shadow

I'll never forget the 1969 Golden Slipper, I hadn't been married long and thought Special Girl was a good thing but....my wife thought Vain was unbeatable and she wasn't a punter but unbeknownst to me, she put my wages on Vain, she was that confident, she was always Cool, calm and collected during the race, it was after that race that she showed me the ticket(TAB betting back then), I wasn't sure whether to be mad or happy, I went with happy....after the Slipper I was a die hard fan (of my wife) and Vain of course!

I was a young 14 year old AND I STILL remember everything about him. His pedigree. His racing. Everything. And that Iconic PHOTO of him at stud. Thnkx 4 the MEMORIES 🏇

@rubiconnz1754

9 ай бұрын

A " Young " 14 year old ? Are there any other types of 14 year olds ?

WOW WHAT A HORSE!

@48tilt

3 ай бұрын

The best sprinter i have seen

Freak of a Horse was Vain😊👍

@48tilt

9 ай бұрын

The only FREAK horse i have seen in Australia since the mid sixties

There have been some truly amazing racehorses in Australia since 1969 but I can't remember one with a faster finish.

Fabulous thanks

Most brilliant horse i have seen since the mid sixties. Never saw Todman. Sorry Winx, Kingston Town, Dulcify. In an era when they put great horses in races they might get beaten in , unlike todays protected species.. Should probably never have started in the Sires at Randwick after a lot of rain and lack of trackwork. Vain was then thrown in as an early three year old over the toughest mile in Australia in the Mooney Valley Stakes with a strange jockey against the best performed Australasian post war horse ever to race in America , the mighty Daryl's Joy Cox Plate Derby only had four starts in Australia from memory. Glad i drove all the way to Widden in 1987 to see this absolute freak in 1987 before he died. TJSmith was speechless after the 12 length win in the Cravan A. Never seen that happen before with Tommy. I watched him win the Champagne at Randwick by 10 lengths in 1.92.Australian record for two year old. Col Tidy that great bookmaker punter always rated Vain as the best horse he had ever seen and he owned Zeditave 14 wins from 17 starts.

@georgemoore7186

8 ай бұрын

Jim Moloney took the blame for both of Vain's defeats, he was underdone, he took the opposition a bit lightly, didn't want to gallop him on bog training tracks before the Champagne and thought his class would get him home at Moonee Valley, he didn't count on running into another Champ in Darryl's Joy, to beat Darryl's Joy even Vain had to be at his best, but both defeats were revenged at his very next start as added proof that Jim was right, Vain never should have tasted defeat Can you imagine a 3 year old running in a Group One Handicap with 5kg's over WFA today? people today don't get that feeling of a Champion doing the impossible, not just winning, The feeling is hard to quantify in words, I remember Tobin Bronze winning the Doncaster with about 9 stone 8, or 62kg's, he gave Cabochon 2 stone(almost 13kg's) plus 2 lengths start from the furlong and ran him down, Cabochon won the Stradbroke carrying top weight, he was a high class horse, I still remember how I felt that day in 1967, it was more than a different era, it was a different world, Champions did it tough, they were never wrapped in cotton wool and they were never Koala Bears!

@48tilt

8 ай бұрын

@@georgemoore7186 Great read George. I remember Tobin Bronze beating Cabochon that day. I was in the ledger as a kid. Named my boxer dog Cabochon . Insult to compare that protected species Black Caviar with this freak. One start over 1400 as a five year old LOL. Old Crisp and Takeover Target would be having a giggle. Different ERA for sure. All the great sprinters Vain , Luskin Star Todman had won over a mile or more by the time they were three. When racing was about serious punting. Ran into Laurie Bricknell on the Gold Coast the other day. Said he is lucky if he can get on for 2K now Pathetic. Criminal. Corporates and decimal boards have killed the game. Part of our heritage has died. I was a book for a couple of years . When i stated at Wentwoth Park 1980 there were 52 bookmakers in the Paddock including the away ring plus another dozen in the Ledger. You could get on for 20k anytime and that was the dogs. Dog bookies bet to losing figures on nearly every race. Really miss the old days. Heaven. Remember Ray Hopkins screaming at John Stollery on the next stand with punters trying to get on "you have got 98 on your Board" to which Stollery screamed " I dont give a F**K." Heaven.

@georgemoore7186

8 ай бұрын

@@48tilt I hear racing shows these days talking about how they bet in telephone numbers today, I can't get on even in races like Caulfield/Melbourne Cups to win more than $2,000, and I am on a Pension They're accountants, not Bookies, I remember being at the races as a kid back in the 60's and being mesmerised by the cash, both Punters and bookies betting in $1000's everything was different, Today they can't tell the difference between a Champion and a Hero(because they don't have heroes anymore) Black Caviar and Winx were undoubtedly Champions.....but they were NEVER Heroes, they were more akin to a Bully beating up on the weaker kids, kids they knew they could beat, To explain what I mean, Audie Murphy wasn't a Hero because he was the best shot and killed Germans from behind Cover, he was a Hero because he was out in the open giving them a chance to kill him....and getting it done, that is the difference between a Hero and a Champion That day Tobin Bronze did what he did was the Easter weekend, the Sydney Cup was on the Monday and was won by a horse called Galilee also carrying the grandstand, I remember Prince Grant who was a very good horse led and must have been 25/30 lengths in front at about the 700, by the time they straightened Galilee had him in the twinkling of an eye and raced away to win by 5, Prince Grant easily held down second, he wasn't stopping, the best part was you could get on both of them, from Memory I think Tobin was around 5 or 6/1 and Galilee was around evens, Winx and Black Caviar races were mostly barrier trials, you could not get on them, you could never feel part of the victories, Emotions are hard to explain but being there that long weekend was like remembering where you were when Kennedy was shot...or when Elvis Died....or when your kids were born not just a memory but an emotion, today's generation will never feel that, so I understand when they don't know what they missed Have a great day

@48tilt

8 ай бұрын

@@georgemoore7186 Memories. Galilee was still the best stayer i have seen. . Agree about barrier trials. Horses today are set to not lose in races . . .No point in stringing 20 race wins together if they beat nothing and don't run times. Look at that last race of Frankel. Pathetic and they call Frankel the best LOL Frankel and Black Caviar take the cake. Winx did all she could in Australia and ran times. Beyond me that you can have a horse like that and not take her overseas. It is called being challenged. They all need to sit down and have a good yarn with Crisp and Bernborough Emotions. My Grandmother had a bit of money so she took me into the members at Randwick to watch Vain win the Champagne in 1.92. by 10 lengths. I still remember sitting their stunned and shaking in disbelief at what i had just seen. I saw all Vains three Sydney runs. Yes bookmakers are accountants today. In my view the other thing that killed the game was rebates. They should have been banned years ago. You cant make money betting into flat markets. Zeljko started the big slide I dont think there is a answer. Sometimes i think it is a bad dream and i will wake up and there will be a hundred bookies in my back yard betting to 95% each way.. I wish there was an answer but i think the game finished. Racing shows today are a joke. Look at the main channel and all they talk about everything except form and serious betting but then again there is no serious punting these days. All about levelling out the playing field reducing the ability to get your money on and screwing the mug punter

@georgemoore7186

8 ай бұрын

@@48tilt You can sum it all up in two words SELF INTEREST What I think is by far the biggest detriment to racing is it is run so the few can make huge money, BIG BREEDERS are the main culprits and they own a lot of racehorses but that is only so they can keep the mouths shut of high profile trainers and Jockeys, it is the tail wagging the dog, they run races for the horses they are breeding, not the other way round, they should be breeding horses for the races we are running, hence no stayers The thing is when you breed sprinters it is a fast turn around, if you buy a sprinting bred yearling you have a pretty good idea if it is any good before the sales come around the next year, if it is any good you go back to buy another one, if it's no good, you are back the next year to buy another one anyway, if you buy a stayer, you might not be back for 3 or 4 years, that is why Australia breeds sprinters, not because they are popular but because that is where the money is in Breeding, more to it than that but I will spare you the details Then you have Maher and Eustace with close to a 1000 horses on their books and Waller/Godolphin close behind, and a couple of other stables not far away, they say we can't do anything about it, Rugby league brought in Salary caps for that exact same reason, in Hong Kong trainers are limited to 60 horses and everyone has 60 horses, it is a level playing field, there is an answer, you can't cure Greed, Rebates as you mentioned are a symptom of the same greed, then you have the greed from TAX, it keeps going up and no one gives a damn about the customers(Punters) I stopped going to the races 25 years ago as the crowd were drunks, not punters, there was no atmosphere, most people at the races go for the party, not the races, they don't bet and they don't even know races are being run, I can see a day when racing will just implode, the TAB has cartoon racing and punters bet on it, the cartoon horses even parade before Jockeys mount up, are they freakin' kidding? they think Punters are all brain dead!, In short, too few snouts in the trough it's a trough that 99% just don't get a look int to and I haven't even mentioned the cheating that goes with greed I'll get off my soap box now Have a great day

Classic🏆

May very well have been the best sprinter ever but staying sound it would've been a formality

@48tilt

8 ай бұрын

Vain is the most brilliant horse i have ever seen since the mid sixties. Same number of starts as Frankel who they claim as the worlds best .. Funny Frankel in 8 or 9 starts over a mile never got within 4 seconds of Winx

@harrycallahan9069

8 ай бұрын

@48tilt Hello I commented recently on another video claiming Winx and Black Caviar were the best 2 horses my reply was " you know what Tulloch and Vain would've done to them?... embarrassed them.

@48tilt

3 ай бұрын

@@harrycallahan9069 Couldn't agree more. Black Caviar was a protected species wouldn"t get within three of Vain

backed vain to beat special girl , got 9/2, never forget that day !

@48tilt

9 ай бұрын

You must have been a good judge. Sydney people thought Special Girl was unbeatable