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I'm someone who switched from RAD to Vaganova and it really was a big shock, but I can with confidence say I much prefer vaganova

@user-nl5cr7ot8f

Ай бұрын

I made the exact same switch! It took a long time to adjust, but I love vaganova now!

@gigimora366

Ай бұрын

RAD is not a ballet technique for professionals that's why you were shocked

@aster_11

Ай бұрын

@@gigimora366 In my country it's like one of the only forms of ballet, including cecchetti. Majority of professional dancers teach and grew up with the RAD method. Sadly vaganova studios are rare, but yes I love it so much!

(Older lady here), for such a young lady, im so impressed with your ability to explain and demonstrate. It was wonderful. 🌹 👏

I was trained Vaganova, and my daughter is just getting started in a Balanchine school. This helped me understand what to expect as she progresses.

i used to train in the Cecchetti technique, and now doing ABT (which combines multiple aspects of different schools of ballet) and can definitely see the Vaganova influence on ABT (especially with the epaulement). personally prefer the Vaganova technique over Balanchine, but it was interesting to see your take on the differences! (especially since Balanchine is not as common where i am from)

@sloth_dance

Ай бұрын

Omg same

this is why I find ballet so interesting. it's all about the technique.

I saw a Bournoville class once where barre started with grande battement!!!😮. And we can't forget that Balanchine classic a la sebesque. lol. The breakdown is great!

My first teacher danced in NYCB. One thing I remember from her class that I never heard in any other type of class I took was that when you do any kind of battlement (tendu, jeté, grand) to the front or back, you want to have the toe of the working leg end up on your center line when your leg is extended, not just in front/back of the hip of the working leg. That was so ingrained in me that I always think it looks sloppy when dancers don’t cross their legs over.

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

Ohh yes!!! Forgot about that!!

@paulfickey5440

Ай бұрын

I read this comment and had to stand up and do a few, and yup, I def go to my center line. Never realized that was uncommon because that’s how I was always trained, in multiple settings. Felt really weird to me trying to keep it in front of the hip lol

@dancinggiraffe6058

Ай бұрын

@@paulfickey5440 Wherever I went after that, I kept crossing my leg over, and nobody ever told me it was wrong. But I really never did have any other teacher that said that it *should* be done that way.

Yet-love how the body and torso & head tilt in the Vaganova, which is equally expressive, imo.

That shade of brown leotard really suits you! Thanks for the comparison.

I teach ballet classes in Finland and our curriculum is heavily based on Vaganova so it’s definitely more familiar. It’s interesting to see the differences in Balanchine, like the wider prep position in pirouettes. And I’m baffled by the front spotting in piques. Like how do you know where you’re going if you’re not even looking 👀

Love these comparing styles videos! And that's you tried them all! And did pretty great!

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

Yay! Thank you!

I was/am trained in RAD and Cecchetti but I have found myself becoming more enamoured and interested in Balanchine style. I really liked this video showing the difference between these two techniques. Thank you!

@Subway_surfers_dude

Ай бұрын

I do RAD and I’ve been dancing for 8 years since I was 6 I’m 14 now and I’m in grade 3 is that bad?

Your comparative demonstrations were very helpful. Thank you!

Thank you for this!! I love the arms when you do the Balanchine!! I feel like the body doesn’t look as graceful unless the arms are fully expressing.

I’m a Balanchine dancer all day long. Good job explaining the differences! Balanchine is all about the line. My teachers would say that we have wrists, hands, and fingers to dance with. Also yes to the crossed arms in turns. And droopy elbows is also a yes depending on how old your teacher is. 😂 Awesome job! Arabesque and turns look amazing!!

@marta-mc17

Ай бұрын

But the lines are muuuch nicer and elegant on the Vaganova tecnique

@genlyai5055

Ай бұрын

@@marta-mc17 Wrong.

@philzmusic8098

4 күн бұрын

@@marta-mc17 The question is do you always want elegant? I play Chopin differently than I play Beethoven--a composer B. never choreographed, by the way.

Vaganova is gold! Nothing can be compared to that methodica!

Balanchine girly here and I've never heard of bending the knee when bringing back to the fifth position. You were spot on with the tendu arms, we love a good dramatic tendu arms. When I was younger I was trained RAD then switched to Balanchine and I've noticed that Balanchine is about speed while making it look effortless.

@arthrodea

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't think that's Balanchine technique. I think that is just dancers "cheating" to get their foot in to a more turned out position, when they need to pull up more and pull the straight leg into a strong fifth position.

I had always assumed that I was taught Balanchine technique because my teacher had actually trained with George Balanchine. I know now that most of what I learned was Vaganova. The more you know!

I was trained in Cecchetti technique but now as an adult dancer, I can mix it up as much as I want! 🎉 I like all styles! Just depends on my mood that day 😆

Thank you so much!! This is helping me to differentiate training I'm getting!

What I always notice in Balanchine dancers is that they're allowed to lift their heel in demi plie

@OffStageGirl

Ай бұрын

This is actually dangerous for your feet 😅

@AllieHutchins

Ай бұрын

And not actually accurate to Balanchine's or the original SAB faculty's teachings. They rebounded with the heels hitting the ground in allegro and SOME parts of *choreography* were on the balls of the feet. They didn't train like that. Training like that is dangerous and a gross development of a misrepresentation similar to the see every finger >golf ball > grapefruit hands.

You dance beautifully! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

I was trained in Vaganova, and my daughter is doing the ABT method. No idea which one I like better! All the methods have their strengths!

I grew up doing Balanchine but my university does Vaganova. Hardest switch ever.

Your turnout is insane, wow!

I am a Vaganova trainned dancer ❤❤ I LOVED how well u explained evreything. You are so talented🎉🥰💕✨

Thank you for the informative video.

This was super nice!

Hi!!! I love your channel so much, you inspire me to become a better dancer!!!

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

Thank you!!!❤❤

this was very interesting! I've been doing ballet for 20 years but I have never known explicitly which method my teacher teaches, I feel like it's mostly Vaganova, but with some balanchine elements

Fascinating video. I really liked the Balanchine style

I also trained with Cecchetti, RAD and French method. Now I'm a Silver Swan and we're learning Vaganova with our Russian trained teacher after a 49 year gap!

Excellent and very informative demonstration. Thank you! I prefer Balanchine but over all I love dance regardless which style it is based upon.

I find the Vaganova technique suited to romantic ballet, the Balanchine technique suited to both classical and modern ballet. In V. the arms are closer and more liquid, in B. the arms take up more space and are more explosive. The presence/absence of epaulement fits in with this distinction.

Just stumbled across your video. You are such a doll! ❤

Amazing channel

Lovely bevel! ❤️

This is so fascinating. My instructor just does like the weirdest mashup of styles. Very interesting seeing which things she incorporates from any particular style.

Your form and positioning is beautiful. I was trained Balanchine and danced nearly entirely in that style, but never professional, so it's my preference. But all ballet is exquisite and stunning.

vaganova looks like music box ballerina, balanchine feels more expressive and alive. both are amazing, but i much prefer balanchine, ngl.

From what i was taught, Balanchine arms in piques are the same as pirouettes- tight, almost wrapping over each other. The more "giselle" style of crossing and dropping the elbows is a style choice, not necessarily technique.

Why don't you have a thanks button? I enjoyed this video and would love to support you.😊

There was some good Balanchine Claws in there.

@philzmusic8098

4 күн бұрын

You see claws, I see swan necks.

You guys are so mean in these comments 😅 she never claimed to be an expert in either style or to have gone to SAB or Vaganova. In fact, you hear her say something along the lines of “in my experience” over and over… learn to have fun lol not everyone needs to be a walking Wikipedia page to be able to post online

@KaraLey98

Ай бұрын

Chiara, wouldn’t that be A DANCING Wikipedia page? Also I’ve read numerous compliments so far not -/mean remarks..myself-really appreciate the video💟

@dancingwithmackenzie the term we were taught in vaganova pedagogy is small pose arms (anything below 90 degrees and big pose arms (90 degrees and above). And straight leg in then bed for pirouette. There are a lot of little details that would be clarified through studying the pedagogy vs what you learn in class 🙂

As a French I prefer a fifth position almost like a 3rd, and not bending the knees 😱!

Very interesting even to someone who is not a highly trained dancer (but fascinated with ballet!)!

I think the Vaganova school has raked floors in it's classrooms and practice studios, to get them used to be on stage. Not a dancer, but i did take adult classes for a bit, one was ITSD, and the other Cechetti. It's interesting to get little comparisons both in the actual technique but also the terminology. I know it's all in French, but with a couple of steps, which are usually in combinations, they do have a few different names. Thanks 😊

@balletwithisabella

Ай бұрын

Yes the school has raked floors - I’m a graduate of vaganova.

I prefer Vagonova over Balanchine any day of the week. There are certain principals at NYCB who have broken, floppy wrists that annoy me.

I learned that "cashew foot" in cechetti

Actually, my teacher used to mock the balanchine "Ala sabesque" along with other non classical lines.

@genlyai5055

Ай бұрын

And every good teacher I've ever known mocks the tired old Cecchetti/Vaganova 'technique' which means one can never move fast or have expressive arms. Honey, you don't own the word 'classical' NOR its definition. GROW THE FUCK UP.

This … actually a very good comparison of the 2 schools … I was trained mostly in the French method … so I lean Vaganova … I prefer a more classical trained dancer’s background, yet in choreography, a more modern, Ballenchine/Paul Taylor esque choreography… the whole discussion is really quite compelling … I have a secret … this from a dance dude … as a male dancer, one is allowed more deviation from a particular school, one reason … I think it’s because the Corps De Ballet uniformity being so essential for women.

I was trained in cechetti

I definitely prefer Vaganova technique

According to my very old school Russian teacher, "ballerinas never cross their arms!" Could hear her when you said that lol

You are a cutie pie. This reminded me of some great memories. 🥰

Balanchine still wants full 180 lol

I feel the Vaganova is more elegant, whereas the Balanchine is more athletic.

Vaganova is not respecting the different morphologies in the hips ! They all finish destroyed 😭😱

@arthrodea

Ай бұрын

I don't think they all end up destroyed. What is not accounted for is that in Russia: the kids audition and are specifically selected based on body characteristics just as hip mobility and turnout. Kids lacking that will not even do serious ballet. In the US: any child can take ballet classes, there are not typically auditions (except at a very few more serious ballet academies, and even there their standards for body shape and turnout are nowhere near those for the Russian schools). So if you have someone without that natural ability trying to force a turnout - then yes they can end up with knee damage.

I trained a combination of chechetti, Balanchine and Russian at the top 5 ballet schools/companies in the USA and none of the “cheats” bending the knee, or cashew foot were at all acceptable ever. The turnout must come from the hip and not the foot which is why some people might not appear to have good turnout. Vaganova forcing the turnout is horrible for the body and caused knee, ankle and hip imbalances that make dancers injury prone.

@tatya222002

Ай бұрын

Vaganova method is aimed at a small number of hand-selected kids who already have the built necessarily for the method. They literally have a physical therapist present at the entrance exam.

@Homerun153

Ай бұрын

​@tatya222002 Correct. Vaganova selects those with: Perfect proportions, perfect turnout, perfect demi-plie, perfect medium or high insteps. All these attributes are given by Mother Nature. YT responsible for a great deal of ignorance of classical ballet and artistry, sadly.

Really appreciate your willingness to actually demonstrate. I realize this can be embarrassing if not perfect. But that is OK. Just demonstrate slowly to show the difference. Then show the difference. You could show using clips from actual ballets. You are a beautiful dancer. Thanks

Balanchine created specific classes for his company, so it comes hand in hand with his style of choreography. And I don't think there are any companies or ballet schools that teach his style. I feel like it can be difficult for Balanchine style dancers to fit in traditional ballet companies. You have to be proactive and fluent in Vaganova training as well. Style can be changed, but the technique is different can of worms. So good luck to everyone.

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

If you want a career in the USA you need to have knowledge of all ballet styles, RAD, vaganova, and balanchine because otherwise its very hard for you to get a job :)

@philzmusic8098

4 күн бұрын

I'm guessing Kelsey Kirkland switched techniques (except for B. ballets) when she went from NYCB to ABT.

Vaganova over Balanchine INDEED!!!

@genlyai5055

Ай бұрын

FOAD.

I'm from school Balanchine...winged foot, high extension, athletic dancers. Never even heard of Vaganova until moment, and I studied Russian technique for 11 years, taught for 30.

As a franch dancer i hate the Balanchine style, it sounds like begginers with hands, arms, not using the head... I love Vaganova style, it's pure, elegant and technical

@genlyai5055

Ай бұрын

C'est de la merde totale, cherie!

Well, considering that Vaganova IS a technique and Balanchine is a style..

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

The School of American Ballet would show otherwise, they train in a very different technique

@AllieHutchins

Ай бұрын

@@dancingwithmackenzie it's not a technique, it's not codified or a structured syllabus. And whatever they're doing currently is not what it was when Balanchine was actually alive, ie heels up, head forward with no epaulment at the Barre, grapefruit claws. They generally don't hire kids that started at SAB from scratch and graduate, there's a higher success rate from older dancers that attended the school for the final few years to learn the style on top of their technique.

@genlyai5055

Ай бұрын

@@AllieHutchins What drivel you post!

Почему у неё такая короткая шея?!

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

I dont. But the USA actually allows short dancers to have careers cause were equally as good and beautiful!! Lol

@philzmusic8098

4 күн бұрын

She was stretched on the rack.

Madam. Вы внесёте чушь.

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

do you have anything better to do

Twisted hips, scrunched up back of neck in both arabesque poses. Not good.

@dancingwithmackenzie

Ай бұрын

im sorry i didnt know you were the ballet master of the world

@Homerun153

19 күн бұрын

No, merely an ex-professional ballet dancer who had the great good fortune to dance in several ballets at the Garden, behind Rudi. Implicit in your ripost is that you consider yourself an expert. Not being able to take technique criticism does not bode well for any would-be professional ballet dancer. Fyi in the performing arts, rehearsals are expensive and there is no time, nor the inclination, to correct poor technique! @dancingwithmackenzie

@Homerun153

19 күн бұрын

I danced professionally at the Garden behind Rudi in my time, which makes me more of an expert than you. Please grow up.

It’s funny to me that someone can be so smart and talented but also be like ‘I need to wear my tights OVER my leotard WITH the crotch seam showing’. I mean at least black tights would look better? Lol. So weird. Really makes it hard to watch. It’s like old woman’s shape wear kinda look? Trying to look ugly on purpose? I dno. It rly draws attention to the wrong area and makes dancers look bloated.