Big shout out to Engineering After Hours - his fan cars are some of the fastest electric vehicles in the world! kzread.info

@EngineeringAfterHours

2 жыл бұрын

Great work on this one! I love the direction comparison as well.

@FarmerFpv

2 жыл бұрын

You need a Louver or a Strata cap which prevents debris from entering the fan with a tornado effect expelling the debris & dirt to the sides. They are used in aftermarket car car intake boxes for off-road vehicles. A topspin would work too. Check out Donaldson Filtering solutions. You may be able to 3D print one. They may even sell one small enough for your application. essentially they are pre filters but work with centrifugal force of air spinning like a tornado rather than a mechanical filter which can clog.

@El-Hombre-Random

2 жыл бұрын

try to fix the cam, lock easy

@insAneTunA

2 жыл бұрын

I think that you did a much better job with your choice of location for this experiment compared to the previous video. This time it was much more suitable for your experiment. And this time the difference in grip was very noticeable despite your clumsy handling and steering 😉 So my compliments for that. 😋 Sorry for you loss of the camera. Small tip, maybe next time you can turn that round track into an oval with some cones, creating a straight on the track, which gives you more data and more challenging conditions.

@ddogoo3749

2 жыл бұрын

Could you build more rockets? Those are very fun videos to watch and you do a good job on them.

Early testing seems to have revealed you were on track to create the worlds fastest roomba haha

@xdragon2k

2 жыл бұрын

You just now need to explore how Dyson keep their suction constant and free of obstruction.

@FarmerFpv

2 жыл бұрын

@@xdragon2k They use a secondary vacuum chamber with a tornado effect to bring the debris to the edge.

@masterimbecile

2 жыл бұрын

Also known as a VROOM-ba

@JusticePreyHDM

2 жыл бұрын

@@masterimbecile vroomba go brrr

@LiptL

2 жыл бұрын

@@JusticePreyHDM attach a remote explosive and you got a boomba

A firmer suspension could give you more downforce without dragging the skirt. Also for active downforce management you could increase the fanspeed when steering (if you can program that)

@cranstonsummers2871

2 жыл бұрын

^ this one! Please take it further!

@Nevir202

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, as you start to draw a vacuum, you will draw less power, as it's doing less actual work, so you could make a smart controller that indirectly senses how much of a vacuum you are pulling by monitoring draw, and automatically controls the throttle to try to always pull slightly less than the maximum vacuum, which should hopefully translate into the skirt riding just above the ground.

@digiay

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nevir202 that's right, but needs a lot more engineering. I don't think my suggestion is a perfect solution, but it could improve the rideabiljty with little changes.

@briansmith7234

2 жыл бұрын

Dynamically controlling the fan speed based on laterally forces and / or skirt height may be fun. I would consider adding some small air inlets near the front of the skirt to keep it from sealing completely as the fan loses much of it’s suction when the air flow is reduced to near zero. Also a centrifugal fan would do well in this use case. Fun vid, Hope to see more on this topic.

@OliverKirkham

2 жыл бұрын

further to this making the skirt and aero unsprung to you can run the fan at max without any risk of grounding out

Having a microcontroller that takes an input from an accelerometer and then varies the speed of the suction motor based on the lateral G's would mean that when the suspension in unloaded, the suction falls off allowing the car to attain higher velocity due to lower friction and then when the G's rise up (in a turn), the fan speed ramps up, increasing suction and pulling the car down and loading the suspension up providing more traction.

@hamjudo

2 жыл бұрын

Turbo lag may be a problem. How fast can the fan spin up? The car needs down force at the start of a turn.

@lohostege

2 жыл бұрын

It could just use stearing input with suction, More steer

@maximthemagnificent

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if an adjustable vent could help with spin up delays.

@insAneTunA

2 жыл бұрын

With a digital programmable remote control he can simply make the steering action also control the fan speed. With each steering input the fan speed goes up, regardless if it is steering to the left or the right. And with less steering action the input will be lower so there will be less fan speed. So there is no need for gravity sensors or an accelerometer at all.

@StreuB1

2 жыл бұрын

@@insAneTunA That is a good idea, I did not know you could do that with controllers. The only downside is there are times where you do not want suction but you do want high steering angles. Such as low speed turning just to name one instance.

Map a button on your controller to spin the fan in the opposite direction. This helps in disposing the dirt getting stuck.

@thedeamonmeteor69420

2 жыл бұрын

sky effect

@Jrgosman

2 жыл бұрын

And In bonus, make the car fly!

@MatthewNovoselskiy

2 жыл бұрын

He’s gonna have to change the whole ESC to do that

@noktrnl123

2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewNovoselskiy most escs support reverse just have to program it.

@Blutankalpha

2 жыл бұрын

69th like. Nice

The trick to making that vacuum skirt work is to attach it to the wheel uprights, not the chassis so it stays at a fixed height above the ground no matter how much the car rolls/pitches. It'll let you run a softer suspension as well, which is almost always better.

@kenvanpassen9247

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't doing that mean that the chassis of the car needs to be able to move up and down and tilt sideways inside the skirt? which in turn means you would have to make the skirt seal all around the chassis while not being attached to the chassis itself.... feels daunting to me :)

@TheBillzilla

2 жыл бұрын

@@kenvanpassen9247 No the skirt that he's built would be the same, just attached to the wheel uprights rather than the chassis. But yes with softer suspension he's have to lift the chassis up a few mm's so it'd keep clear of the skirt in bumps.

By looking on the video, I have a feeling that you configured EDFs to suck air, but making them rotate "backwards" instead of mounting them reversely. Remember, blades have their shape and angle of attack to provide maximum thrust when they rotate in the direction they were designed to. So, by mounting them correctly, and powering according tho their natural direction of rotation they will produce much more thrust/suction :)

@JMMC1005

2 жыл бұрын

This! He was losing so much efficiency by doing this. I'd be surprised if he was getting more than 50% of the EDF's normal performance.

@Project-Air

2 жыл бұрын

​@@JMMC1005 Somehow I completely forgot to mention that this was intentional: I still got more than enough thrust/suction from the fans with the blades the less-optimal way around (only needed about 30% throttle) while still having the EDF blades visible, so it looks cool for the thumbnail (important for KZread, let's be real!). Nice one for noticing though!

@alunesh12345

2 жыл бұрын

@@JMMC1005 Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. Hell isn't fun. GOD loves you soo much unconditional❤🙌❤😌

@foxgaming76yt24

2 жыл бұрын

@@Project-Air Are you planning to implement huge wings together with this fan on an RC car, and maybe a modified body shape ask as to improve airflow speed and smoothness. Also, as other comment threads have mentioned, being able to programme the fan speeds would be beneficial.

@foxgaming76yt24

2 жыл бұрын

@@Project-Air Also yeah, while it's true that it would look better on the thumbnail, the sacrifice of performance is kind off off putting.

The Chaparral 2j had skirts that were stiff but moved. They worked with the suspension to keep a set height from the ground. Also you could have the tray adjustable for and aft to balance down force. Too much push? Move it forward. Fan cars are great concepts but require unrealistic flat and clean surfaces.

@akhil_kasiram

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, i thought he was gonna mention the 2j, the absolute beast of a car that could probably generate enough downforce to stop upside down... too bad it was unreliable as heck

@coreygolphenee9633

Жыл бұрын

@@akhil_kasiram and ass backwards to drive if it's anything like the Gordon Murray cars

I think it would be worth looking at the fan as a mechanism to move air over diffusers and venturi tunnels under the car at a faster rate of speed than the car is moving. This is the actual primary purpose of blown diffusers and of the bt46b's fan. It wasn't designed to be a static pressure device like a vacuum. Think of the design more as an upside wing in a wind tunnel. The wing will produce lift, or in this case downforce, even when stationary by having the air pulled past it by a fan. It makes for much more efficient, meaning more downforce to drag ratio, than a vacuum design.

@jakedewey3686

2 жыл бұрын

This is what I was thinking. The whole point is to take advantage of ground effect, which he acknowledges, but never actually makes any attempts to use...

@rfldss89

Жыл бұрын

That's what i thought too. The fan car in f1 would suck in air through the front and blow it out the back to make the air underneath move faster, creating a low pressure zone.

I’m sure you got inspiration from f1 including the last car video. I’m a huge F1 fan and all I can say is great job trying to make a ground affect car!

@johncarl5505

2 жыл бұрын

*Sad Chaparral Noise*

@ShadowRaptor42

2 жыл бұрын

Can't fortget the 2j

Your workmanship is brilliant. The sieve install was testament to your attention to detail. Awesome to watch!

Id love to know if it could drive on a ceiling [a flat one of course]

@stejer211

2 жыл бұрын

You could race it at the Guggenheim in New York!

@Joe-zw9ep

2 жыл бұрын

There are RC cars that do this for very cheap on amazon :)

Maybe just carry forward the trend & add stuff like bargeboards, venturi tunnels, diffusers etc like a F1 car? Would be awesome to see you make something that has them all working together Edit: Active suspension & active aerodynamics would be so cool as well

@ThePapaja1996

2 жыл бұрын

or sex wheels

Awesome! Love the timing with f1 starting last week!

this is a great practical demonstration of downforce and ground effect.

I love how you demonstrate these scientific theories and calculations in real life experiments!

Awesome build! What about testing attaching wings directly to the wheel hubs like they did before they banned it. This keeps the pressure directly on the tires so you can run softer suspension and have more mechanical grip.

Suggestion - add an inertial switch or accelerometer linked to the fan speed - increase grip from skirt when cornering, decrease drag from skirt on straights

@alunesh12345

2 жыл бұрын

Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. Hell isn't fun. GOD loves you soo much unconditional❤🙌❤😌

@misssylance3293

2 жыл бұрын

That would be so cool!!!

This is one the coolest experiments I've seen in a while thank you for your work and providing this video!

Chaparral 2j used this same concept. Their skirt used cables and pullies to maintain a specific height independent of the body of the car. Cool video!!

Hey bro, just wanted to say how professional your videos are now. Great sound and lighting. Youre more calm and confident, with great shots and editing. Just like on TV. If youre doing this all yourself well done. Wish you well on your career. All the best Kieron

@Project-Air

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Kieron

@DiyEcoProjects

2 жыл бұрын

Im a photographer ... so would be interested in your gear - which camera, led lighting, mic you use please. oh, maybe a link to locked google sheet in the description perhaps. That would be cool.

@DiyEcoProjects

2 жыл бұрын

ah piss!!! feel your pain on that camera smash

The fastest vacuum cleaner I've ever seen.

@daeshawnr2595

2 жыл бұрын

*Chaparral 2j has entered the chat*

@MichealleShoemaker

2 жыл бұрын

The fastest roomba

@Brainless_Memer

2 жыл бұрын

@@daeshawnr2595 lotus 79 leaves the chat

I enjoy these videos so much. I’m probably like 20 years older than you, but I’m constantly learning from all these amazing experiments. I wish I had as much creativity (I’d be happy with one tenth of it!) :)

I own those rc cars. Stiffening the suspension by twisting the screws on the shocks sona helps alot. Also putting thicker oil in the shocks.

Love your Mini man! It looks perfectly modified

This new generation of F1 cars also use ground effect to generate downforce. It’s really interesting to see the different designs and strategies they use to seal de underfloor to preven purposing. I’m loving this aero centered videos. They help to understand this concepts and have a bit of a better view when watching races

@coreygolphenee9633

Жыл бұрын

So did the 70s ones and they abused it to near comedic effect lol

Mate, congrats for hitting 200k subs, as an engineering addict I really like your videos, keep it up!

I recently thought of building a similar RC car! And I would never have guessed about the dust problem just by thinking about it😂Thank you for the wisdom!

Love the video! You could try a "bladeless" fan to solve you're blade snaping problem.

@giacomomilan8692

2 жыл бұрын

Like the Dyson fan? Complicated but good idea

@fergusoddjob

2 жыл бұрын

They still have blades as im sure your aware based on the quotation marks. The air would still have to travel through the blades so the same problem still exists.

It would be very interesting to see a sensor used to sense the distance to the ground and the Gs on the car to drive a PID control of the fan to get maximum grip when needed without having the skirt contact the ground. You could also designs a skirt that used a Teflon material in a guide that is free to move up and down to create a near perfect low friction seal.

@ToastyMozart

2 жыл бұрын

Probably easier to use a barometer than a height sensor.

Sick! Been waiting for this! Have a good weekend mate :)

Total respect for your real car. Nice choice!

edit: I see this was already recommended :p A thought: Depending on the hysteresis between fan power and fan rpm, if you could have the fan run relative to steering input (the more you steer, the more the fan ramps up) you could perhaps gain some more straight-line speed and maybe get some better battery life as well. That is, only use the fan when it is needed.

Would be informative to show the lap times with and without suction. Also why not to disable the fan - do the lap - enable the fan - do the lap, so the testing is more accurate

@alunesh12345

2 жыл бұрын

Believe in JESUS today, confess and repent of your sins. No one goes to heaven for doing good but by believing in JESUS who died for our sins. Hell isn't fun. GOD loves you soo much unconditional❤🙌❤😌

@misssylance3293

2 жыл бұрын

The test would just show how the mods affected the car's performance from stock. Added data but nothing that would help the project far as I understand. I'm not the engineer type to tell how this would be applicable.

Dude, I am HARDCORE jealous of that classic mini! SO COOL!!! Those old minis are super hard to find here in the US.

It seems like the past of formula 1 was a big list of trying things, new modes, projects, concepts and thank you to this videos everybody can watch that, and learn, thank you Guys!! 👍

The Fan Blades rotating backwards is bothering me alot lol.. would decrease atleast 30% of its efficiency..

Hey Im in 12th grade and as my final, im building a similar car and i will conduct several experiments researching the effect different factors have on grip. One of the thing i want to try out is how downforce affects grip. I have some questions: - How much power did your edf use? - How big was the battery powering the fan? / how long did the fan run? - Did you use the same battery to power both the fan and the car itself? Any help is much apprechiated Thanks

Extra points for the Mini!! 😃 Awesome Video. ☺️

i have been waiting for this video for a long time. thanks mate

Could you avoid the need for a sieve mesh by using a cyclone?

@Nevir202

2 жыл бұрын

Doubt a cyclone would work , but with a bit of trickery you might accomplish the effect. Since power and efficiency of the fan aren't major concerns, baffle the suction such that it's spread among multiple points, and the suction is parallel to the bottom of the car. With no direct upwards suction, it would be hard to lift anything off the ground. You could also make the inlets small enough slits that you aren't worried about anything big enough to cause damage passing through them, say 3mm openings or something like that?

@pauljs75

2 жыл бұрын

An eductor type system like the Dyson "bladeless" fans would work great in this regard.

@death_witch

2 жыл бұрын

The dyson bladeless just has the fan in the bottom of the device. They want to maximize surface area, and reduce pressure.

The EDFs are the wrong way round. They are much more efficient when driven in the right direction. And maybe a blower style would be better for this purpose because EDFs have such low static pressure.

@brrrrrr

2 жыл бұрын

He said in another comment that this was intentional because he didn't need much force anyway

@simont3686

2 жыл бұрын

@@brrrrrr But it would draw much less power at the same thrust.

Amaizing project! We really like it! 🤩

Very nice to watch, thank you very much! 👍

I love these car aerodynamics videos 🔥

Oh my, I love your mini cooper!

Wow incredible you’re at 200k subs now. I’ve been watching since the beginning and knew you were gonna be big one day

That is a lovely lovely mini! Beautiful

If 23 years as a airline aircraft engineer and crazy micro jet engine home builder has taught me one thing...its that you've installed the fans backwards and are running them in reverse. They'd work a lot better installed and running in the right direction. I am impressed none the less. 🙂🇦🇺

4:42 I'm diggin the old iron you got there. None of this plastic disposable garbage, just an honest little Mini.

Would love to see a car like this drive on the ceiling! Great project

This is absolutely amazing! 👍

Very cool little project. I'd suggest to enlarge the area of the mesh and maybe tinker with the center of suction as needed. But the biggest potential I guess is in skirts that can slide up and down to allow for proper working suspension and minimized drag from the skirts. Cheers

Well done! I’m sure your channel will hit a million subscribers in no time ! Really enjoyable content

You basicy made an RC hoover. Luv it

You're relatively bigger car is gorgeous! I hope you convert it to an electric one day, it's a fascinating process and a terrific project, a lot easier than it seems it would be. Electrics are so simple after all

This was awesome.

Wow good to see it works better with just 1 edf instead of 2

I've waited for this so long

Loved every single minute of your vid

I appreciate that your plug for NordVPN didn't play into the "it makes your data more secure!" nonsense, but focused on the benefit of being able to access other regions' streaming materials. Cool cars by the way 🙂

Sick project and video. So much potential when there are no rules

you might consider a circuit to tye the fan in with the turning only. or increase pressure in the trurns, and decrease it on the straightaways. cool video, great job!

I have watched most of your videos but this was for first time I saw your car 4:31 ...loved it just loved it.

Great work on this one

loving the mini

Great car mate. Do more of these experimental cars.

Love the retro F1 engine noice overlay haha! So much more speeds that way

Hey!! your great and its a great video!! I am subscribing immeadiatly. Very sorry about the nice Sony Alpha getting damaged I love those cameras and have a couple. Best of luck and see you as the videos come out!

impressive project

Thank yo ProjectAir, now i can tell my kid it is fun to vacuum the floor :D

As always great stuff thank you for sharing

Super underrated channel

Every time I see someone do this, I'm always reminded of the line follower robot competitions in Japan; the winners always use four quad props, in reverse, so it's essentially blasting air upwards and creating downforce. At least it won't be vacuum clener anymore.

Enjoyed watching it 😊👍🏻

You should try blowing air past the hole and creating a low pressure area. This is used in garden vacuums to suck debris up into the bags. The plus of this is that your fan won’t get clogged as you are not sucking via the fan.

When I was a kid, RC cars and walkie talkies blew my mind. Now there are drones and cellphones, and I'm kinda jaded about it all.

You have a mini!!!! So cool.

With enough suction to hold it upside down, it would be cool to build a track that went up walls and across the ceiling.

I love that it sounds like a f-1 car

This Guy is Getting Professional

The original was the Chaparral Fan Car - 2J in sports car racing. The engineering behind these cars is nuts! Not just a fan on the back way more than that

Love the Coop!

One thing worth noting was the the bt46 and lotus cars only use skirts on ether side of the car to increase the vinture effect (sorry for spelling). You might be able to increase performance by making it narrow in the middle of the floor and wider at each end as well as using a rubber skirt on both sides

IIRC the BT46 initially had the same problem of sucking itself down to the track and rubbing, but they solved it attached the vacuum chamber to the wheel hubs instead of the chassis. That way the suspension wasn't compressed by the vacuum.

The BT46 was a total beast... and it threw any dirt it found on the road right in the face of the ones following it, too.

The pressure from the system is pushing down your rear wheels more than your front ones. Put the air intake closer to the front of the car and it will push the wheels that actually steer into the ground harder, and will help under steer. A front bumper mounted spoiler will also help push them into the ground. You can help prevent the skirt from hitting the ground by setting limits on the suspension end points. Hope this helps _ automotive project manager, JD Power :)

I love your videos. Great work . Keep innovative. 🙂👍🏽

in a future iteration id recommend opening the front of the skirts and the back of the skirts part of the downforce comes from the air creating that low pressure zone which is easier at the front without the skirt would add less surface friction when the skirts glide across the surface

Multiple of the 70's F1 cars used thickly set bristles as skirts. They were stiff enough to allow creating a somewhat permeable membrane, but soft enough to bend back when contacting the ground. They were probalby the best middle-ground solution between optimal downforce and creating too much downforce, increasing rolling or even drag resistance.

Honestly love your mini

Love your mini!

I love how you put in F1 car noises

That will make an amazing vacuum

There was a car in GT6 that had this technology too called the Chaparral 2J '70. The design wasn’t allowed after a couple races irl because any driver caught behind it literally has to eat road dust.

I own this car, and i can say it’s fantastic

Nice Video! Thank You!

The original fan car, the Chaparrel 2J had a moveable skirt that was attached to the lower control arms of the suspension so only the low profile tires were a variable in how high the skirt was off the tarmac. You could limit the suspension travel to this height and use some firmer tires to keep the skirts off the ground.

The dirt was also the issue with the Chaparral 2J. The didn't use a mesh to filter, so they used to thro rocks behind the car. It was band for that reason.

Not only is this guy bright & sharp...but he's funnier than hell!