Pinned post for Q&A :)

@OtakuLoki

5 жыл бұрын

Would it be possible for you to address the mechanics of how vessels converted to radio control use for target vessels like Utah, would be operated? For example, would the ship get underway with a skeleton engineering and deck crew, turn on the radio control units, and then disembark before the sharp heavy things starting falling around the ship? What kind of redundancies would there be to protect against having even dummy rounds fired at the ship that could take out the radio links, resulting in an uncontrolled battleship going wherever it wanted - under steam?

@britishperson1300

5 жыл бұрын

How Many ships did sordfish attack?

@raygiordano1045

5 жыл бұрын

@@OtakuLoki That would be interesting., a channel called Periscope Film (IIRC) had an old clip of this, but not many detail were given..

@raygiordano1045

5 жыл бұрын

I was wondering why, seemingly, every ship that had hull mounted, underwater torpedo tubes never seemed to have used them. I figure there was a good reason for this, but considering how handy torpedoes are in general, what were the problems? Thanks.

@robertsuurna5442

5 жыл бұрын

As I understand the new Gerald R. Ford class is estimated to save $4 billion in operating costs over a 50-year lifespan (according to wikipedia). Did ship designers before WW1 and between the wars tried to make their new capital ship classes more economical to operate? If yes then did they made predictions of how much they will save and did the predictions come true?

My submarine once moored on Ford Island near the USS Utah's wreckage. It pains me to know that so many people get to visit USS Arizona, but USS Utah is mostly a forgotten rust-covered wreckage that is rarely visited by anyone outside the military. As with USS Arizona, we show respect to our fallen comrades as we passed USS Utah.

Phrase of the day: "3-inch aircraft irritating units" 5:54

"Aircraft irritant guns" my new favorite saying.

@dosvidanyagaming4123

5 жыл бұрын

Aircraft Irritating Units* I'm gonna tell the dedicated AA soldier in my arma group he's one whenever he misses a shot

@josynaemikohler6572

5 жыл бұрын

I honestly love the designation Anti-Zeppelin-Gun, or BAK (Ballon Abwehr Kanone) in German a lot more. It sounds great, and shows, what those things were initially supposed to shoot down. :P

At pearl Harbor chief boiler tender Peter Thompson elected to go down to the boiler Room to make sure power stayed up for the pumps he saved numerous lives on Utah keeping her from rolling over until many more had escaped he earned a medal of honor for his sacrifice

@andrewnoonan4044

5 жыл бұрын

It would be my one criticism of the video in that the actions of the crew that day were pretty much ignored.

@jonathantodd6953

5 жыл бұрын

@@andrewnoonan4044 Well the dude only had 5 mins, so.

@rackstraw

3 жыл бұрын

Name and rating is incorrect - he's Chief Watertender Peter Tomich. www.history.navy.mil/our-collections/photography/us-people/t/tomich-peter.html

@colbeausabre8842

2 жыл бұрын

I think you are referring to Peter Tomich. "Five years before World War I began, Peter Tomich (Tonic) immigrated to the United States. When war broke out he enlisted in the U.S. Army where he served until January 13, 1919. He received U.S. Citizenship and, ten days after his Army enlistment expired, joined the Navy. He had no known relatives so when the destroyer named in his honor was commissioned in 1943, it was decided to award his Medal to the ship itself. The award was presented on January 4, 1944 by Rear Admiral Monroe Kelly. In 1946 the U.S.S. Tomich was mothballed. In 1947, Governor Herbert B. Maw of Utah proclaimed Peter Tomich an honorary citizen of that State, and guardianship of his Medal was granted to Utah. In 1989 the Navy built the Senior Enlisted Academy in Newport, RI and named the building TOMICH HALL. The facility is a combination of academy, dormitory and museum. Chief Tomich's Medal of Honor was displayed there until 2006 when surviving family were identified and his Medal of Honor was presented to them" "By 1941, he had become a chief watertender on board the training and target ship USS Utah.[On December 7, 1941, while the ship lay in Pearl Harbor, moored off Ford Island, she was torpedoed during Japan's raid on Pearl Harbor. Tomich was on duty in a boiler room. As Utah began to capsize, he remained below, securing the boilers and making certain that other men escaped, and so lost his life. For his "distinguished conduct and extraordinary courage" at that time, he posthumously received the Medal of Honor. His Medal of Honor was on display at the Navy's Senior Enlisted Academy (Tomich Hall). Later, the decoration was presented to Tomich's family on the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise in the southern Adriatic city of Split in Croatia, on 18 May 2006, sixty-four years after US President Franklin D. Roosevelt awarded it to him

Poor Utah. Survived being literal target practice only to be sunk by aircraft in a hilariously ironic twist after being converted into an AA training ship.

@spookyshadowhawk6776

5 жыл бұрын

Now, it's a submarine.

@robertf3479

5 жыл бұрын

She's a tribute to the propensity of naval aviators to ignore orders. Japanese torpedo plane pilots had been warned that Utah had no value as a combat unit, they were NOT to waste torpedoes on her according to my studies of the Pearl Harbor attack. Had they been available those two torpedoes might have helped to put Nevada down in the main channel, blocking the harbor entrance. The excuse had been put forward by some that they 'mistook' her for a carrier. Her berth that day was the one usually used by USS Lexington (CV 2.) IIRC Lex was delivering planes to Midway, Enterprise was supposed to be in port but heavy weather slowed her return from delivering planes to Wake Island and Saratoga was undergoing maintenance and training on the West Coast. Even the most nearsighted pilot could not have made that kind of mistake Had they been available those two torpedoes might have put Nevada down in the main channel. There is a memorial to Utah and the 57 men still entombed in her on the shore of Ford Island right next to her berth.

@Wolfeson28

5 жыл бұрын

@@robertf3479 There's some debate, depending who you ask, as to whether the Japanese pilots who torpedoed Utah mistook her for a carrier or for an operational battleship. But either way, you're absolutely right that the aviators in question were briefed about Utah's presence and lack of value, but ignored those warnings in the heat of the moment (although technically those planes were able to make their torpedo runs before almost any AA fire had started). Utah actually drew a total of 6 torpedoes; the remaining 4 all missed Utah, although one hit and sank the cruiser Raleigh in an adjacent berth. While those torpedoes would certainly have been useful at Battleship Row, they most likely would not have led to Nevada sinking in the channel. The entrance channel to Pearl Harbor was too narrow for torpedoes to be dropped there, so additional torpedoes could only have been used against the battleships at their moorings. It's true that an additional hit or two on Nevada would have caused her to sink faster, but in that case she probably would never have gotten under way at all and would simply have sunk in her berth like CA, WV, and OK did. If you're interested in a book that describes the events of Pearl Harbor in a lot of detail, I'd recommend Attack on Pearl Harbor: Strategy, Combat, Myths, and Deceptions by Alan Zimm. While I don't agree with all of the conclusions Zimm comes to, his research work piecing together many different survivor accounts from both sides into a cohesive narrative of the attack is top-notch. My only issue is that sometimes, in other parts of the book, it seems like he ignores some of the evidence he just finished discussing when he draws his conclusions.

@robertf3479

5 жыл бұрын

@@Wolfeson28 I've read Zimm's book, I don't agree with all of his conclusions either but he put a lot of work and thought into it. I can't name one author who doesn't have preconceived notions about the subject he or she writes about. I got interested in the Pearl Harbor attack while stationed there '76 - '80. Submarine Bowfin was a fixture moored with the reserve fleet at the time.

@hellhound47bravo3

5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the sentiment. Though she did take hits that the Japanese should have saved for other units, and as such did not die in vain, the idea of any warship going down without being able to take actions needed to defend herself sucks.

I met a survivor of Utah on Pearl Harbor Day 1986. He joked that Utah was the only ship to be used for target practice by both the USN and IJN. A reporter asked if he was wounded in the attack; he responded, saying, 'When the ship rolled over, I ran across her bottom, slipped, fell on barnacles and ripped my ass open.' The reporter then asked if he'd gotten a purple heart; he responded, 'You don't get a medal for a retreating action.'

@bskorupk

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think I've heard the "Only ship to be used for target practice by both the USN and IJN." Joke since my Grandfather passed in 2004, I'm almost certain he wasn't at Pearl Harbor, but he was on the Ticonderoga, and likely would have heard it second-hand.

@mikhailiagacesa3406

5 жыл бұрын

I was lucky enough to have 2 great-uncle vets tell me about what they did overseas, and they turned me onto a lot of ww2 vets when they found out I was going ROTC. I think they didn't mind letting me know ugly details, since they knew what I might be getting myself into. VERY sobering.

@bskorupk

5 жыл бұрын

@@mikhailiagacesa3406 I learned more about my Grandfather's War Years than my Dad did, as he and many others of his generation simply didn't speak of it, preferring to have the old nightmare die with them than to rub-off on others. He opened up with the ugly details in his few years, as in 2001 - 2004 he was very distressed about where the U.S.A. was getting into. One of the worst things I ever heard on a news broadcast was when we were at a restaurant with him in 2003 when some fool in a discussion about PTSD and the Iraq War said that "there's no one in living memory who can remember Suicide Bombers" Grandfather briefly looked ponderous, but in mid head-scratch he froze, staring fearfully at whatever had happened 60-odd years earlier. They very quickly changed the channel, and he gradually warmed back up afterwards, but was still a bit soft-spoken the rest of the day.

@mikhailiagacesa3406

5 жыл бұрын

A-men!

@xaenon

4 жыл бұрын

That man deserves a medal just for being awesome.

"...largely for morale purposes..." Great description of the tertiary armament of US battleships before the arrival of the Oerlikon 20mm gun. It's striking how huge those bridge wings are. I think the Floridas were the apex of huge bridge wings.

@themadhammer3305

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe on battleships, however have you seen some modern super tankers? The bridge wings on some of those take the absolute piss

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@themadhammer3305 Yeah, I've seen those pictures. They are mostly on tankers at least one generation earlier than current ships, and they were huge because the crew had no other way to be able to monitor tanks and the hull for leakage without them. They caused a lot of problems for ship designers and sailors. The overhanging wings caused excessive vibration in the superstructure. I can only imagine how much fun it was standing a watch on the extremities of the wings in heavy weather. New tankers have color CCTV cameras that have taken over the monitoring and made those huge bridge wings a thing of the past. Even some of the older tankers are being updated with cameras and getting the wings removed.

@themadhammer3305

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 ah is that how they got around those issues, kind of a clever idea. I'll always remember seeing one for the first time in person and thinking they looked absolutely ridiculous though, your comment made me think of them and gave me a chuckle

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@themadhammer3305 After the supertanker spillages of the 70's, governments demanded that there be a system of keeping the hull under surveillance at all times. Because the bridge was set so far back on the hull and centered, the sides of the ship couldn't be seen from there. Maneuvering these huge vessels in ports was also a problem since tugs near the bow also couldn't be seen from the bridge, and dock clearance was a big problem. In the days before color CCTV, the monster bridge wings provided the only answer. I'd still hate to be the sailor or officer assigned to the ends of the wings as they vibrated like a washing machine gone wild. It was a long way back to the bridge, and a long way down to the deck or sea surface, if something failed.

@themadhammer3305

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 the tugs one makes sense, from my experience the highest point on the port tugs are below the weather deck, would make it petty hard to see them from the bridge of one of those super tankers I'd imagine. I'd imagine when the ship is rolling being out there would be pretty unpleasant as well since your so far away from the centre line

The last submarine I served on was the USS Florida SSBN-728, her namesake, from 1991 to 1994, while she was still in her original configuration as a ballistic missile submarine, just following the ostensible end of the Cold War and First Gulf War. Twice during the time I was on her, we made port visits to Pearl Harbor. Both times, we were moored on the north side of Ford Island, immediately down from the wreck and memorial of the Utah - you could have easily stood on our bow and hit her with a hand-thrown rock - part of the wreckage still showing above water. I read one account, several decades ago, as to why the Japanese bothered to sink an obsolete training ship. It boiled down to her being parked in a berth normally used by one of the carriers, and her size, the lack of any noticeable armament from a distance as her main guns had been removed, and a great deal of the additional wooden decking from her days as a target ship still in place - leading the Japanese aviators in the heat of battle to misidentify her as an aircraft carrier, perhaps THE priority target of the attack. During those same visits, I also had the opportunity to visit the Arizona Memorial and the adjacent Submarine Memorial as well. At one point, I took an hour or so to go walking around Ford Island as well - you could still see the bullet marks in the walls of the barracks and other buildings that were present at the time of the attack - and had the unique perspective of viewing the Arizona Memorial and the mooring spots of Battleship Row from the shore of Ford Island - this long before the Missouri was moved there - the mooring posts out in the water marked with the names of the battleships that had been moored there during the attack - as well as plaques onshore identifying which ships had been moored in those spots, in particular where another ship had been moored outboard.

@danielscheurwater2466

4 жыл бұрын

They didnt priority target the aircraft carriers, they knew three of them weren’t at Pearl Harbor and attacked anyway. Thanx for the rest of the information, was a nice read.

@alanh1406

4 жыл бұрын

My father worked for EB for 30 plus years. I had the opportunity to tour the Louisiana. I’m not sure if your boat was built there though. Thank you for your service.

Florida man here.. some of the scrapped iron was sold to Walt Disney to build his 10,000 leagues under the Sea ride in Orlando. The dream lives on!

the notorious gangster john dillinger was in the navy aboard the utah,,,,until he went awol.

My great grandpa was on the USS Florida and present during the surrender of the German Fleet. He describes in his correspondence with an Iowa newspaper article how the boys on the Florida were "itching for a fight" as they approached the German fleet.

5:00 am on a Saturday morning - perfect time for a Drach Video.

@mrbeep8096

5 жыл бұрын

8:26 am for me.

Thank you. Your Delaware class posted today made me do a quick search and I found this information on my favorite ship. Many cheers

I rarely reewatch videos...but your channel is one of the few i dothat on.

Now I understand why collecting the anti-air ammunition was so important on the Utah after it was sank at Pearl Harbor. Since it was a traning ship for anti-air crew, it had vast quantities of that Dakka onboard.

Thanks Drach While they didn't have exciting careers these ships proved the value of the turbine over the older engines. I've read the US had trouble with building turbines which is why the first DN's had triple expansion engines.

@hellhound47bravo3

5 жыл бұрын

I believe you're right about early US turbine engines. The ones originally fitted to North Dakota, while fairly reliable, were quite inefficient, and eventually had to be replaced.

@colbeausabre8842

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellhound47bravo3 I have heard that the turbine builders couldn't meet USN specifications and made no attempt to design/develop anything that did. The builders thought that would force the Navy to accept less than what they wanted. The USN decided two can play at this game and ordered reciprocating engines for the New York and Texas to prove "the customer is always right"

@hellhound47bravo3

2 жыл бұрын

@@colbeausabre8842 That would explain the change following the use of turbines in the Florida Class. Unfortunately, that choice didn't do "Oklahoma" any favors in the course of her career.

Woohoo! My home state BB!

@peterjensen9468

3 жыл бұрын

@Jurassic Aviator we also got Salt Lake City, took part in more battles than any other ship in the Pacific Theater.

Wreck Utah: I used to be a AA heavy battleship until I took torpedos in the keel

@thegrandnope7143

5 жыл бұрын

Right off to the scrap yard with you!

@AdamMGTF

4 жыл бұрын

Krupp armour... Fancy

There's a "Florida Man" joke in there, somewhere, lying on the ground just waiting for someone to pick it up.

@sadness3337

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta be some Florida man jokes in there somewhere (yes I know it is a dead meme)

Florida Man!!! I've said all that needs to be said

Few things are more peaceful than flying through space on a delivery mission listening to Uncle Drach talking about AA guns.

@legogenius1667

5 жыл бұрын

As in literal space? Do they even get wifi signals up there?

My paternal grandfather was assigned to USS Florida and was assigned to its' shore party during the occupation of Vera Cruz in 1914.

Aircraft Irritating Units. Sounds like they needed to see the MO.

Thank you for the video... made my day

A special on the post Dec7 Utah and the 7 decades after would be cool. I read a little about it and saw pictures of the years taking their toll.

Great video, as always.

Great research I really appreciate your channel.

I have a great cousin, Robert semples who wonthe metal of honor on the Florida at Vera cruise, , he retired before ww2 but when war broke out he was recalled/ reenlisted and was later killed

I have a request you do a video on USS Samuel B. Roberts DE 413 aka the Destroyer Escort that fought like a battleship. Or the battle between Bismarck vs planned large repair/refit HMS Hood historical scenario or one on the Conte di Cavour class

@Rammstein0963.

5 жыл бұрын

He did, it's covered in the Battle of Samar Straight video.

@misterjag

5 жыл бұрын

Her sister ship, the USS John C Butler, was covered here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gKR6utBrdtisabw.html

"Aircraft irritating units" - Hahahaha! Brilliant.

". . . aircraft irritating units . . ." Good one M8.

Great vid Drach, a pity the USS Utah is not more accessible for viewing.

I think if you make an episode of the USCGC Eagle, it may prove interesting.

4:25 photo caption looks like "USS Flopida"

Drach; the USN refers to "lattice" masts as "cage masts", Cheers

Heyooooo new vid :)

Wow, Until this I've never heard of the USS Florida.

@goldenreaperjtx

7 ай бұрын

At one time or another there was a commissioned capital ship named after 47 of the "Lower 48" states. The one left out was Montana. The only "modern" battleship not named after a state was USS Kearsarge. The Navy seems to have liked that name, as four ships have born it.

How about reviewing the latest USS Florida; I believe she started life as an SSBN but was converted to an SSGN

Please do a guide on Danish ironclad Rolf Krake

Can you please do an episode about the IJN Kongo class?

Please do a guide on uss Nevada bb36

I used to live in Florida

Ahh, the battleship named after my state. Interesting things, showing what the USN could get if Congress wasn't being particularly stupid.

@xaenon

4 жыл бұрын

Wait.... is Congress even capable of not being particularly stupid?

Question concerning the USS Utah. If she had not been sunk at Pearl, or at least not severely damaged, could/would she have been converted back into a BB? I have read that was considered for USS Wyoming. Sure would have been a few spare parts available close by.

Shame for girls they had a nice looking design even if at times it wasn't too effective. Another shame is that Utah at the time of pearl harbor wasn't able to use none of her superior anti air due to them being covered up by the barns and wood who knows how effective she could have been had she been fully prepared.

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

The biggest problem, even if her weapons weren't cover by the wooden sheds, was crew. The number of men aboard her at the time of the attack is shown by the relatively small death toll of 64 compared to the 415 men lost on the Oklahoma, which capsized under similar circumstances. It was also common practice to only load the number of rounds needed for a practice gunnery voyage to reduce the number of crew that would have been needed to maintain the magazines between training sessions. It's not very likely Utah could have done much better at antiaircraft defense than the other US battleships that day.

@hardcasekara6409

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 Maybe but she might have had some impact in the battle which was better than nothing. Maybe then she wouldn't have been forgotten as she was.

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@hardcasekara6409 Perhaps, but the problem of crewing and ammunition supplies remains. She hasn't been forgotten by the Navy. She has a memorial at Pearl Harbor with a concrete walkway that leads to the front of the ship. It's certainly not a memorial like that of the Arizona, but it's probably about right considering she was no longer a battleship when sunk. I think the Utah has less of presence in the public mind since the Navy took pains to describe her as a mere auxiliary at the time of the attack to decrease the impact of the sinking on public morale.

@hardcasekara6409

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 Yes but when Pearl Harbor is mentioned Arizona, Oklahoma and all other ships but Utah. It's kinda sad since she doesn't deserve that treatment. Another thing Sad about Utah is that deep inside her twisted and rusted hull lays a earn filled with the ashes of a baby or child from one of the sailors who has intended to release them overboard when they had set sail for open sea.

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@@hardcasekara6409 The death tolls from the Arizona and Oklahoma were massive compared to the Utah. The 1,177 men that died on the Arizona was nearly half the total death toll at Pearl Harbor with the 429 men killed in the Oklahoma coming in second. Then we have the iconic film of the Arizona's huge magazine explosion, something that has become emblematic of the entire attack. As much as I want all those that died during the attack to be remembered, ships like the Utah just didn't enter the public consciousness like the Arizona. I've heard the story about the supposed urn of a child of one of the sailors aboard the Utah at the time of the attack. All my attempts to verify this story have landed at dead ends. I'm not saying it couldn't be true, only that the story, along with several others about some aspect of the attack, appears to be apocryphal.

How about doing the USS Delaware because that’s my Home state

Had this ship lived up to it's name it would have made the Kamchatka look like a fine ship with an excellent crew by comparison.

Cth’ulu at 4:40.

Question: Is Drachinifel an Anglo-Saxon or Celtic word for "Sarcastic?" This is not meant as a criticism although some may infer there is a sarcastic intent.

Hay can you please do the I-400 super submarine?

@wtpiv6041

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure he already did.

And now you know about the USS Utah

Do USS Oregon please.

where did you get the gary grant voice from?

Did it manage to shot down some planes during perl harbour?

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

The Florida was long scrapped by the time of Pearl Harbor. The Utah had most of her antiaircraft weapons covered by wooden and steel boxes to protect them from the effects of practice bombing being done to the ship. Since it wasn't meant to be a combat ship, the most important thing was to protect the weapons so they'd not be damaged and last longer in training. All the machine guns were dismounted and stored below. What little ammunition there was for the machine guns was in locked magazines, and the CO and XO were both ashore on leave. The first torpedo hit the ship at 0801, only one minute into the attack, with the second hitting almost simultaneously. The deck was covered in two layers of loose 6" x 12" timbers for protection against practice bombs. By 0805, the ship had already taken on a 40 degree list, and the officer in charge ordered the crew to the high side of the list so they wouldn't get trapped under all these falling timbers. By 0812, the ship was lying on its side, and the only thing the surviving crew could do was get off the ship as quickly as possible. Ironically, even though many crewmen couldn't get to life jackets, all those now floating timbers acted as liferafts and saved many lives. Japanese aircraft were still strafing the ship while all this was going on. Not a single gun was ever brought into action.

can you tell location of shipyard launching

My grandfather served aboard her in WW1

Did someone say Florida? 🤗

RHN Hydra class ironclads

You say "let us know" at the end of each guide who is the us is there another person we don't here or is just you?

@hothoploink1509

5 жыл бұрын

*know; the "US" is the end of the sentence; *hear #grammarnazi

@Drachinifel

5 жыл бұрын

Just me at the moment :)

@mbryson2899

5 жыл бұрын

Uncle Drach plus his loyal followers, many of whom chime in on posted questions. :)

AYY IM FROM FLORIDA

But was it ever under the command of Florida man

I don't know if this question has been asked. What are the devices on top of the main guns?

@brigdonbishop3095

3 жыл бұрын

During Utah's last configuration she had some single 5"/38 calibers on top of the 4th and 5th turrets. What you are referring to is most likely the firing control unit that they put on the 3rd turret. Earlier Utah (I think Florida also) had a firing control unit on top of the 2nd, 4th and 5th turrets (By earlier I mean in the early 1930s after the overhaul in 1925).

@colbeausabre8842

2 жыл бұрын

@@brigdonbishop3095 Here is a picture of the USS Florida with rangefinders on Number Two, Three and Four Turrets. www.navsource.org/archives/01/013004a.jpg

Why turret 4 is facing at the turret 3

@davidkaminski615

5 жыл бұрын

Turret 4 would have better firing angles forward than turret 3. Turret 3 angles are limited by its closeness to superstructure. This gives the ship 6 guns facing in a forward arc faster than trying to turn rear facing guns to fire at an enemy forward.

There are some who consider the South Carolina's as not a true dreadnought due to their low speed (19 knots as opposed to 21) and reliance on triple expansion engine (as opposed to turbine). the South Carolina's were typically operated with the pre-dreadnoughts and not with the rest of the dreadnought fleet which further adds to that perception.

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

I've never read anything from any naval expert that the South Carolinas weren't "real" dreadnoughts. Do you have a link for your assertion?

@janis317

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 There are several sources, just one is "All the worlds Battleships, 1907- present" which does not include the Carolina's and further there are comments regarding them in the Delaware class which followed the Carolina's. For further proof I will quote what the wiki states as far South Carolina's service career in WWI (Keep in mind she is less than 10 years old): "On 14 October, the ship went to Philadelphia for an overhaul that lasted until 20 February 1915. She thereafter steamed to Cuba for the routine peacetime training maneuvers. At the time, tensions between the United States and Germany were high due to the sinking of the passenger ship RMS Lusitania by a U-boat, though the Germans agreed to suspend their unrestricted submarine warfare campaign. For the next two years, she followed the same pattern: training exercises off Cuba in the first quarter of the year, followed by maneuvers off Newport, and periodic maintenance at the end of the year at Philadelphia. On 6 April 1917, the United States declared war on Germany over the latter's resumption of the unrestricted submarine campaign earlier that year. South Carolina continued to cruise off the east coast of the United States through August 1918.[2] Starting in September, South Carolina and the pre-dreadnoughts of the Atlantic Fleet began escorting convoys to France. On 6 September, she departed with the pre-dreadnoughts Kansas and New Hampshire to protect a fast HX troopship convoy. On 16 September, the three battleships left the convoy in the Atlantic and steamed back to the United States, while other escorts brought the convoy into port. On the 17th, South Carolina lost her starboard propeller, which forced her to reduce speed to 11 kn (20 km/h; 13 mph) using only the port shaft. On 20 September, the port engine stopped after a throttle valve broke down. She got underway temporarily using an auxiliary throttle before severe vibration forced her to stop for six hours while the main throttle was fixed. Four days later, the ships reached the United States and South Carolina made her way to Philadelphia for repairs.[2][3] After South Carolina returned to service, she participated in gunnery training, which continued until Germany signed the Armistice of 11 November 1918 that ended the fighting in Europe. In mid-February 1919, South Carolina began the first of four round trips between the United States and Brest, France to bring American soldiers back from Europe. In the course of the voyages, the last of which concluded in late July, the ship had carried over 4,000 soldiers home. She then went to the Norfolk Navy Yard for a lengthy overhaul"

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@UCW7JzqaM4HFFdCuDFh2lXgA I suggest you read www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2010/february/south-carolina-sisters-americas-first-dreadnoughts by Norman Freidman, a world renowned naval historian. There is zero doubt the South Carolina class were true dreadnoughts. They introduced the innovation of superfiring turrets, which were later adopted by all the major navies. Their low top speed was a tradeoff for better armor protection and relegated them to operating with older ships during WWI, but that doesn't make them not "real" dreadnoughts. Who's the author of the book you're citing? Assuming it's the book by Ian Sturton, I have it, and can find nothing in it that states the South Carolina class were not real dreadnoughts.

@janis317

5 жыл бұрын

@@sarjim4381 That is his opinion; and he is one of several naval historians who have difference of opinions on the SC's Super-firing turrets in both the B and X positions certainly led credence to their inclusion but the use of the triple expansion does not[ its a long argument. However, since the South Carolinas were operated as pre-dreadnoughts by the Navy and not sent to join the British Grand fleet at Scapa Flow; that has more relevence to me than the opinion of one historian no matter how renowned he is. Sturton was the editor of the book and is currently in production by Conway classics (as I stated they discuss the development of the South Carolina with considerable detail in the Delaware class (They are described as "Semi-dreadnoughts')). The fact is the navy wasn't very pleased with the Carolinas even before they were commissioned and the Delaware was quickly built to rectify their deficiencies (perceived or real) brought about by the Dreadnought. Also Conways "All the Worlds Fighting ships" states that the Delaware was the first US Battleship to match the performance of the Dreadnought. Another Source stating they were considered 'hybrid ships' is here: www.naval-encyclopedia.com/ww1/US-navy/south-carolina-class-battleships/

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

@UCW7JzqaM4HFFdCuDFh2lXgA They were not operated as pre dreadnoughts. They were assigned to convoy escort duties because of their low top speed compared to newer vessels, but they were also unreliable vessels, as both ships had problems losing screws and excessive vibration at speed. Even if they had a higher speed, it's doubtful these ships would have been considered as main battle fleet units due to their mechanical problems. Dreadnought herself spent most of the war operating with pre dreadnoughts. There were certainly design faults with the South Carolinas, but that doesn't negate their place as the US Navy's first dreadnoughts.

Man...those conning towers were fugly.

Fueled by GatorAde.

How about the USS Nevada. She was moored not to far from the Utah. And survived a bunch more hits. And 2 nukes.

@davidkaminski615

5 жыл бұрын

He's already done USS Nevada. Do a search on it.

@robertthecag1230

5 жыл бұрын

​@@davidkaminski615 Thank you, it had to do more with the class than the ship. At Pearl it took a great deal more hits then a couple. And saved many other ships by drawing fire by being the only BB to get underway.

One torpedo tube per side just feels like a lot of needless extra weight

@davidkaminski615

5 жыл бұрын

When these ships were concieved, engagement ranges were fairly short. They were never meant to be primary weapons, but if you're that close to the enemy anyway, why not shoot a torpedo at them?

@argyrisperiferakis6404

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidkaminski615 yeah I have read that I meant that in such a caaeva quartet of tubes ifvsomething of that number would be more efficient

@Rammstein0963.

5 жыл бұрын

It was as drach said, largely as a security blankie of sorts. Also it did have (admittedly limited) use but it was as a "standoff" weapon to (hopefully) discourage destroyers from making torpedo runs as being smaller and more fragile, destroyers can be taken down by a single torpedo whereas a Battleship is (usually) more resilient.

@colbeausabre8842

2 жыл бұрын

Torpedoes were expensive and supposed to be used as "sniper" weapons. Case in point, no British destroyers mounted more than 2 tubes (2X1) until the L class of 1914, when it became 4 (2X2) The idea of firing a spread was not adopted until 1916 or so and it wasn't until the W class of 1918 that 6 tubes (2X3) were adopted. Plus torpedo tubes were weak points in the armor and hull

floridas turret 4 is facing opposite at turret 3 I think New york class look better then Florida class

@sarjim4381

5 жыл бұрын

The New York class was 573 feet long compared to 521 feet for the Floridas. The longer hull allowed a better turret arrangement.

The aircraft irritating units 🤣🤣🤣

Never been first before 😅

@mattioksa5116

5 жыл бұрын

onnittelut :) / congrats :)

@niklasmakalainen866

5 жыл бұрын

@@mattioksa5116 kiitokset 😅

She was a remote controlled target and didn't get hit? What rotten shots they must have been.

Close up of sailors using cage masts aboard USS Rhode Island (BB-17): media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-steel-cage-masts-of-the-rhode-island-battleship-united-states-of-picture-id931878872

How the hell do i pronounce your channel name?

@colbeausabre8842

2 жыл бұрын

DRACK-IN-EE-FEL

@Pyotyrpyotyrpyotyr

2 жыл бұрын

@@colbeausabre8842 since 3 years ago I have actually learned how to pronounce it properly. Thanks still. 🫡

The cursed state

Very nice of the "KZread Political Checkers" to not to forbid anyone watching this particular video.