"Most of the losses came at the route in the battle." This is why I love Medieval 2. Yeah, your best soldiers will fight heroically and bravely to the death, which is cool, but many units will break, and so I often find I have more captured enemy soldiers than I have killed enemy soldiers.

@Midironica

9 жыл бұрын

Which makes alot of sense, considering that in the early middle ages most armies were made up almost exclusively of levied peasants. The knights would have been quite few in number and only really powerful and rich nations would have the money to field large divisions of trained, non-noble infantry and cav.

@satanicmuffin9309

9 жыл бұрын

Precisely. I used to question the general's speech in which they mention "Today we will strike down a quarter of our foe's army today," as if that was a big deal, but it makes a lot more sense if you see it as the number of dead before the route.

@EvilTwinn

9 жыл бұрын

I take exception to the phrase "peasant levies". Most of the soldiers were actually middle class. While peasants were occasionally levied, they were not normally done so, and those that were levied were not generally in combat, and instead did much of the non fighting work.

@timotheose

9 жыл бұрын

EvilTwinn by

@croataxeman2529

9 жыл бұрын

That's why i love the SS mod with real recruitment submod. The professional troops are few so most of your armies are levies and mercenaries.

Spartans would also stay dead silent when they charged....I can only imagine how scary that would look like....

@RexGalilae

5 жыл бұрын

There are stories about how unusual it was to see them silently and confidently walk into formation during deployment

@alialahmad4329

4 жыл бұрын

Arabs also did that early

@PineFire

4 жыл бұрын

*InsertStereotypicalNameHere* more often than not, the Spartans (who were not ever a professional force) marched to the tune of flutes. Hoplites never really “charged” in some instances, maybe, but they were only a militia force with decent discipline.

@user-it2hc6bx5t

4 жыл бұрын

@@PineFire Spartans were formidable because of the fact they were a professional force, their constant drilling and discipline is literally the reason they surpased all other city states in land warfare. The phalanxes Indeed marched under flute to keep a common pace (since it needs to be noted that all armies didn't simply charge from their deployment zone, they marched up until 100-50 meters from their opponents to start charging)but charging with a phalanx wasn't impossible and certainly wasn't that rare after Miltiades proved how effective it was by using the heavy weight of the phalanx and the momentum of the charge to shock the Persians at Marathon. If the Athenians which did indeed had a mandatory military service and and where not as professional as the Spartans can pull it off as effectively as they did then I doubt the Spartans couldn't do it just as good or even better.

@MelonHead1848

4 жыл бұрын

@@PineFire Research before you comment. Sparta had the most professional army the world had seen at the time with only 8,000 men spartiates. Battle of Platae 5,000 spariates led a charge to help turn the fight.. research is a wonderful thing.

8:50 that charge looks so sad.

@Davide___92

8 жыл бұрын

+Stefan Westermann Rome 1 > Rome 2

@fluets5658

8 жыл бұрын

+Davide.D What did they look like in Rome 1?

@tofuteh2348

8 жыл бұрын

+Fluets rome 1 cavalry felt like they had more impact, while in rome 2 they just look like theyre squishing together

@Commievn

7 жыл бұрын

Calvary charge in both Rome 1 and 2 are great and very effective. Tho, the Rome 1 is a bit OP thanks to their ability to jump over phalanx, lol. Imho, the Calvary charge in Med 2 is the worst, mainly because it's very buggy, the unit need quite a distant in order to charge, or otherwise, they will only *walking to* in the enemy and starting to fight,and yes, *walking*, not even running. This make Cav charge quite aweful in siege battle, on top of that, every road is so small in Med 2. The 2nd worst would probably be Shogun 2 thanks to asigaru, cheapest unit in da game btw.

@theKbott

7 жыл бұрын

Brock McClain Getting a good charge in Medieval is a science in itself, lol. It takes a lot of practice to get it just right. The cavalry needs to already be in running formation before you issue the attack, otherwise they will fuck up in one way or another.

>Using the Triplex Acies online! >does not use Triplex Acies k.

@DoubleBob

8 жыл бұрын

Stewart Ashton This is just "approaching the enemy in a super empty checker board formation and then playing normal rome2". Triplex Axies is more than that.

@CRT601

8 жыл бұрын

Because triplex acies is useless online?

@ForeverDoubting

8 жыл бұрын

+FernestHall I believe he emulated as best he could and where he did compromise he explained why.

@draconisthewyvern3664

7 жыл бұрын

hmm triplex acies was only a marching formation used to approach the enemy. the triplex acies was quite literally the opener opening to a single line, strong right flank, or wedged formation. also in standard usage of this theoretical formation the skirmishers would hold the line separating the enemy between the first line charging out and the other two lines in reserve. opening gaps for the first line to fall back through and the second line charging through at the same time. essentially the romans never engaged the enemy in a checker board formation instead using it as a opener to their other tactics etc.

@iahvesix3779

7 жыл бұрын

it did give him more maneuverability

Failure to disengage and retreat is one of the huge reasons I hate Rome 2 Total War. It was present in previous Total Wars.

@julius6889

7 жыл бұрын

Is there even an option on TW games where they are able to give ground?

@najkraemer3117

6 жыл бұрын

rome1 and medieval 2

@stratdaddy

6 жыл бұрын

Naj Kraemer what?

@constantinexi6489

6 жыл бұрын

The Magical Gamer the unit collision in Rome 1 allowed units to get pushed back as more and more men charged them

@RobertWF42

5 жыл бұрын

And it wouldn't be hard to program into the game. Units already get fatigued as they fight. When fatigue levels reach a threshold, say after a minute or two of melee in game time, a unit will automatically stop fighting & step back a few paces from the enemy unless egged on by a leader. That's when the Roman player can move his hastati back and bring up the principes.

I like how he just kinda charges at the end XD like "oh hey look at this formation" and then just tactical blob.

@anthonydonate9938

2 жыл бұрын

Historically accurate

I wasnt aware of it but i think i used this checkeboard tactic online against a Spartan Player and for the most part it worked , the gaps in my lines allowed some enemy units to get sorrounded and kinda picked off

@benandres9627

5 жыл бұрын

Greatdictator Yeah, I tried using it against Carthage as Scipii in Rome 1 and it worked extremely well. The carthaginians would either run through the gaps and get enveloped by the secondary line or the gaps would easily allow the secondary line to flank the enemy. Lots of micro tho

@gryphonicbaguette

4 жыл бұрын

Ben Andres Your meant to form a line when attacking but okay.

@ClockworkAnomaly

4 жыл бұрын

@@gryphonicbaguette dont trust historians that think they know real war. Trust the sources.

@gryphonicbaguette

4 жыл бұрын

ClockworkAnomaly You think they would just open their line and let soldiers flood through? I’m not sure you understand war

@ClockworkAnomaly

4 жыл бұрын

@@gryphonicbaguette I'm not sure you do either. Have you ever fought in a battle line armed with sword and shield?

It DID come to the triarii

@timothyheimbach3260

6 жыл бұрын

Derek Guerrero I find in total war it almost always comes to the triarii

@ts9749

6 жыл бұрын

Don't forget the enemy had -tanks- elephants

@koreancowboy42

5 жыл бұрын

Triarii/spearmen gets beaten by swordsmen, got to break your bubble. I played as Carthage and lost to Rome during a 2v2 online. I wasn't a terrible or pro/good player but atleast decent to know what im doing, I used Scared band as front line in phalanx formation with archers in front and in lose formation, cav on flanks and etc. Once engaged their losing to armored legionaries, high tier spears losing to swords. I did test run on Trarii the best spear unit Rome has and they lose to swords too. Apparently spearmen are mostly on flanks with cav only. It's my opinion and my experience

@devoncampbell4214

5 жыл бұрын

Korean Cowboy42 Your simplifying it quite a bit.

@athaeus2667

4 жыл бұрын

@@koreancowboy42 You know he's referencing history, not the game mechanics with that comment?

Well to be honest, you marched as triplex accies, but as soon as you intended to fight, you abandoned it, designing your maniples as phalanx . The gaps in the formations do have to exist, as you can throw javs with your retreating skirmishers and your principes if the enemy tries to surround your first row. Also, if they partially surround 1 maniple with a wider formation, they will show their backs to the maniple right next to it, and their sides to the principes. Regarding reserves, you did it correctly, using your army body rows one at a time. I find Divide et Impera a better environment to apply this doctrine, as flank javs and battle weariness have more impact in the morale of the unit. I like to complement DeI with the ultra fast battles since the moral system still applies but at least this way there are more casualties and shock cavalry is not a must to speed up outcomes.

@robhara7911

6 жыл бұрын

plus they would have a negative moral hit for being attacked in the flank the 1st line would have collapsed quickly, in game offcourse

@jackblackmore787

6 жыл бұрын

I was just about to go off on one just like you lmao!

@Elnaroth

6 жыл бұрын

i think he used it as much as possinble and sensible in the game

@TheLiquelique

5 жыл бұрын

@Nilbog in DEI you can set disciplined formation

@MattParra15

2 жыл бұрын

@Baldwin IV not true it all, I've been playing rome 2 non stop the last week and your units will stay in formation if you don't give them the order to attack a specific unit, The triple acies works perfectly

While I understand the constraints placed from some of the issues with Rome 2's interface, that triplex was definitely not executed periodically correct. The biggest thing the triplex did as a whole was maintain solidarity throughout the battle, unitl the battle turned in Rome's favor. Then you would see formations give way in order to maximize devastation. The initial "charge" would look more like a brisk controlled advance. Enemy lines would usually be all one large formation (mostly because the command and control is simpler), which would be eaten up by the serrated nature of the triplex. The Hastati would initiate combat, enemy soldiers would fill in to the gaps, thinking they have successfully flanked a formation of Hastati, only to be smashed by the more heavily armoured and seasoned Principes. This would happen again (if needed) by the Triarii. However Triarii usually did not need to fight in most battles, as the Principes would do a good job cleaning up. Also imagine any disengaged Roman infantry throwing their pila while they are not in immediate contact and you can imagine the devastation. Cavalry was present mostly to secure the flanks, run down routed enemies, and cover advances and withdrawals. Cavalry were usually the wealthiest soldiers on the field, so were spared a lot of the most dangerous fighting.

I'm still waiting for a TW game that would implement rank rotation or even formation depth impacting morale.

A great video thanks for explaining actual historical vs gameplay differences that was fascinating. I have a much better understanding now, it makes it so much more interesting as well as fun.

@InvictaHistory

10 жыл бұрын

thanks, glad you could appreciate it

Awesome videos man. Love the detailed explanations of your commentary. Subbed

The movie ' Gladiator' missed a awesome opportunity where Roman troops could of advanced on Barbarian soldiers in complete stoic silence while screaming Germanic tribes people were confused and intimidated.

@Tinnesa

6 жыл бұрын

that would have been sick

@tothmatyasbalint3841

6 жыл бұрын

the advancing foot soldiers were silent

@golling3334

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's just pretty hard to show the barbarians being intimidated by a silent march and actually get that across to the audience

@Presbiter

5 жыл бұрын

Dude, you are talking about intimidating Germans? Do you even know what the term "German" mean? It means literally warrior people and they did not name themselves. You can be sure those tiny romans pissed the ground muddy fighting in the ancient german forests facing giants that stood one to two heads taller than themselves as is recorded by the roman historians that followed the legions up north^^

@Revi_EU

5 жыл бұрын

@@Presbiter "The word probably simply means "neighbor" and has been established by the ancient leader Julius Cesar. Today you can find this term not only in Romance and German languages but also in different Slavic, Asian and African languages as well." www.thoughtco.com/where-does-the-word-german-come-from-1445247 Can you link a post where it says, german means warrior people? I am German (Dutch) myself, but since we are also germanic people i am pretty interested in your claim. The funny thing is, that the germanic people themselves dont call Germany and Germans, Germans, they are Deutsch, we call them Duits, in scandinavian countries it is called tysk.

This worked really well when having a garrison of zombie pirates holding off barbarians in Warhammer. It allows the units in the back to get clear shots and fire on the flanks of the enemy held up by the units in front of them.

we wish CA would care about history when it comes to gameplay but it's nice of you to know all this stuff and to talk about it in the video

dude. such interesting commentary. I thought this was gna be just an average video but it's like a fucking story!

Fighting without breakfast?! BARBARIC! No way a roman solider would win under such uncivilised circumstances!

@crystallxix1493

4 жыл бұрын

Johannes Schramm THEY MAY TAKE OUR LIVES BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR SECOND BREAKFAST

@MrWankyTank

9 ай бұрын

what an underrated comment

Thanks for this video ! Very intertaining and full of great knowledge !

Ive used this formation a lot. It allows rapid reinforcement via counter charge from the second line, helps reduce casualties from artillery and you can more readily deploy a 3 unit battle line on your flank if the enemy attempts a maneuver. I usually keep the cavalry in the rear as an initial counter charge defense until I lock the front line down. Simply, its hard for the enemy to maneuver on this formation because it is so deep compared to a standard battle line.

thank you for showing us how to do this! time to test it out in the campaign!!

try using the Zulu bull tactics: line of light infantry in the front sort of forming a semi-circular shape "horns" then followed by a line of heavy infantry along with archers forming the "chest" then the final line of heavy infantry behind the chest with the rest of the archers forming the "loins" of the bull since the zulu army didn't have any Calvary, you're free to do what you want with them

@cameronbruce9650

5 жыл бұрын

I often try to use this tactic in Total War but often the horns can lose moral quickly as the game doesnt completely compliment this tactic

@lollius88

4 ай бұрын

Thing is : We don't need to use the tactics of primitive tribes, when we have the might of Rome to lead us to victory!

@kogerugaming

2 ай бұрын

@@lollius88Exactly. Why would anyone want to use a tactics from a tribe that still less advanced than a civilisation 2000+ years ago?

@lollius88

2 ай бұрын

@@kogerugaming Ahh based individual spotted. Indeed my friend, those barbarians if left alone wouldve still been the same today if the British didnt civilise them. Meanwhile 2000 years earlier the Romans were having elections, a constitution, a Senate and a People's assembly. Huge difference

@kogerugaming

2 ай бұрын

@@lollius88 well said

Nice video and well done. What literature did you read for such detail about Roman tactics?

This is so dope. FYI advance the principes up to the front line and then you can withdraw the hastati with no issue. 2nd line of fresh troops starting fighting immediately

Great content loved the in-depth explanations!!

This was really interesting. I learned something new. Thank you

Love your videos man, keep it up!

LOVED the historical insight

Biggest issue with playing Rome 1/2 is how much I (and the AI) were forced to use medieval formations... I wish there was a formation editor in the game so you can create your own, specifying where different units go. Spears at the sides, heavy infantry behind a spread skirmish force, artillery in the centre surrounded by light infantry on the sides etc. I don't care enough to form my own formations in every battle.

Cool vid man, didn't knew you had Roman knowledge. Last time I checked (long time ago) your channel was making Halo forge maps (which were also very interesting vid's). Why did you decide to leave Halo forge stuff?

I know that you talked about Parthian tactics during your Parthia campaign, but can you make a video about Parthia's tactics when fighting the Romans?

@pijef

10 жыл бұрын

The Parthians used mass horse archers, they would force the entire Roman army into a square. When the Roman Cavalry charged the Parthians, they would leave behind all infantry support. The Parthian cataphracts would then destroy the Roman cavalry without opposition. The Horse archers would then start barraging arrows at the infantry, they would go into testudo, then the cataphracts would charge them when they were in this inflexible position. This is how the Parthians won the Battle of Carrhae.

@ASCG5000

10 жыл бұрын

pijef Yes I know that, but i want to see it in action.

@pijef

10 жыл бұрын

ASCG5000 Carrhae is recreated in 'decisive battles', a show that uses Rome 1's engine to recreate historical battles on the history channel. its on here. search it

@ASCG5000

10 жыл бұрын

pijef Alright, I'll check it out. Thanks!

@diadokhoi5722

7 жыл бұрын

ASCG5000 u just use cav

I use a lot a triplex acies in my battles. The difference is that its not Rome 2, nor the romans, its Europa Barbarorum 2 (medieval 2 mod) And i play as bosphoros (yea yea, its against the AI, i know, But the mod its indeed challenging). The difference how I deploy is that i make my units wider and thinner in the first row, and the second line its actually more long than wide. The first, because its better for direct combat (more men in the first line means u wont get your unit surrounded by a wider formation) and the later its because their objective its to go through the first line, turn 90 degrees, and flank the enemy engaged against the first line. If the enemy forms up just a line, and engages my first, so my second line cant manouver this way, then i just unload all my second line javelins. Only charging when the first line is exausted and needs a rest. Keep alternating this between the first and the second line, while leaving the third line to refuel the lost men, or to counter play enemy strategies (if they try to flank you, for example). I have came to test it a lot, and i found that its indeed a STRONG tactic, its really versatile, and it just plays itself against anything the enemy could do, as i hardy ever lose my infantry engagements (the enemy allways gets flanked, and surrounded, and gets tired a lot more than my men).

@samuelmontenegroserniotti7146

7 жыл бұрын

PLUS, my skirmishers ALLWAYS escape safely behind my guys, without making a chaos in my first line.

excellent! I tried to recreate the battle of cannae playing with a friend yesterday, so we allowed 40 units per army, to make it look like 8 legions combined together fighting the cartaghinians. However, even though it was suposed to be a recreation ( so i was playing as the romans but i didnt intend to win) I won the battle. We thought it was pretty stupid as i made all the mistakes romans did in that battle ( such as losing both cav battles in the flanks of my massive triple acies by allowing the carthaginian cav and slingers to get favorable engagements in both flanks, and I also clumped my infantry and the center of the carthaginian infantry to let him get the good surround. After that, of course, he was suposed to charge my back with his victorious cav and end the battle. Believe it or not, the vast number of roman infantry acted like a battering ram and splitted the carthaginian center in half, allowing me to win.

very good video and thx, for the historical background that you so well explaine to us, you must have been a Tribunus laticlavius in your past life.

@itacool6457

7 жыл бұрын

roblox

Very nice video as always. however, I would like to suggest that if you could play with a friend multiplayer battles portraying such tactics with the divide et impera mod you WOULD actually demonstrate to a very good point how people could behave in battles realistically. Give it a try....that mod is all the work that CA hasnt done and should have done.

Zerkovich uses a modified triplex acies in his warhammer armies now but he uses it to create gaps in the lines that he can exploit with his reserves. It's impressive to watch.

What's that drawing function, I haven't seen it before. Was it there in the original release? Or is it a mod, cause I can't find the mod anywhere.

The breakfast and sun cheeky tricks were from the Greeks, mentioned in the Peloponnesian war

i usually use a phalanx strategy 2/3hastati and 1/3 principes, sometime even some rorarii, with 1 or 2 principes in reserve to flank the ennemy and the triarii to reinforce/prevent flanking/and countrer the cavalry, and i use very carefully my weak cavalry, mainly to cover my flanking principes from ranged unit

Is there a way to retreat a unit from an engagement in attila? i tried and my cavalry just got murdered, any suggestions?

Hi, can you please tell me where to get the info of formations and tactics of ancient armies? I would like to teste them. Thank´s

@InvictaHistory

10 жыл бұрын

Hmm there are tons of different tactics used by different nations at different times. Even if you were to just look at Roman warfare the tactics would be pretty highly dependent on the commander even though they all relied on the triplex acies

What button do you press for free mode cinematic camera. And i hate how in rome 2 troops can just go through your units with no problem, when retreating. It makes doing the openings between lines pointless, as they can just force their way through the main line(Its not like you going to ever retreat anyways). .

@OdinsGrace

10 жыл бұрын

K is the hotkey to make the HUD disappear.

@bastek1232

10 жыл бұрын

thanks

A nice history lesson. However when I read the title I kinda thought it couldn’t be done in R2TW.

you need to bring in the new troops to hold the line before with drawing the less fresh troops. In this game it takes longer for units to tire also , so it's really not necessary in most battles but the longer ones like in siege defenses against larger attackers.

Pretty awesome video, nicely dealt with the elephants

Hey, wanna learn more about the military tactics and important battles of Rome, anyone know good documentaries?

LOL! Great vid! I played these tactics back in the 90's (feint, attack, withdrawal, regroup, repeat, flanking, always maneuvering) and I was accused of being a "camper" because the snot-nose kids I walloped always preferred a mad bum rush. And I always slaughtered them even when I was outnumbered. Thanks for validating my strategy with a well made video!

@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158

8 жыл бұрын

No, that is how the Romans did it, keep charging at hannibal so you can beat him to a pulp.

@igloo54

8 жыл бұрын

+John Taguba Sorry, I was talking about the gamer tactics and not the actual history. Both are incredibly interesting.

@moreshige

7 жыл бұрын

1990's?? I hope you were not refering to TW series.

Cavalry are just like OK we attacked and won, I really don't want to die so let's just keep chasing these fleeing people and not help our army

@giftzwerg7345

3 жыл бұрын

if you dont case them they mid reform and fall into your back

Im always frustrated to use 5 cohort of hadtatus and 4 principes or 5 hastati and 5 principes. Its frustrating to me to have a cohort hanging alone in only one flank. 😁

Would the triplex acies work with Divide et Impera?

how did the infantry keep the original spacing formation when moving them up at the start of the battle?? they always clump together in a single line when i do it

@ildpind

8 жыл бұрын

Looks like he organized them in groups and locked their formations :)

if Creative Assembly made a tactical retreat option available, and maybe an A.I. action that will force units to chase retreating enemy units unless they are ordered to do a diffrent action. Things would be so much more complex and a wider range of strategies could be used. A give ground or being able to march backwards slowly would be cool too.

How do you see the shape of your ranks as they move out? I cant describe it, but when the golden ghosts of units would pop up helping you organise lines.

@lukbohra

7 жыл бұрын

Shawn Seward i think if you hold spacebar

do you use preotorians cavalry??? i don't think is historically correct

Its those kill boxes that the checkered board creates. There is so much debate on whether it was used in combat or just on the advance so units could filter through the unit masses but i very much hold that it was used on the actual clash of lines. It has too much function, from preventing a full charge on the line to keeping an enemy in check and wary of their flanks. Just damn genius for the age considering it would have seemed madness to those before its time due to the general approach to conflicts of the era. Edit ~ Post first reform.

@impulzivity1665

6 жыл бұрын

Saint Sin I don't know, I mean I feel like they probably would have marched with it, stopped, and then sent in the units by line. Probably by of course skirmishing for a while, then sending in the velites, then rotating with the hastati and principles (sorry if I spelled it wrong mate), then finally using triarii in emergencies with equites probably cycle charging throughout the battle. The reason being that the men they were fighting used many hit and run tactics. So those gaps could've been exploited and done before even being reinforced. Meanwhile if they were defending in a battle they probably would've made some changes unknown to my knowledge. Just my two cents.

Are online battles played in "Battle realism mode" ? also i dont have that paint b rush thing on vs AI

@Shadowofromefanatic

9 жыл бұрын

u have to edit a file to get them in battles ur playing in

1:48 how do you move your units like that? An answer would be much appreciated.

@MrKkobi

8 жыл бұрын

+PervertJesus When u mark them, Pres Ctrl + G and they will get into the formation and stay in it also when u move them.. I hope u understand, my english is not best :D

@18ps3anos

8 жыл бұрын

+PervertJesus What kkobi said. Control + G can be translated as the command to create formation groups, while only G creates selection groups, not locking the current formation to those units. If you want to stop the formation/selection group just select all the units in that group and press G, so you can re-arrange your troops easily. In Atilla, you press only G for the formation groups, and control + G for the selection groups.

@MrKkobi

8 жыл бұрын

I was always did it like Ctrl + G, thanks for help.

how do you find multiplayer battles no one ever plays on multiplayer

how do you "lock" those infantry units into formation? like at 3:50?

Can someone please tell me how did he moved the hole formation in minute 1:45. What do you have to press on the keyboard after selecting the hole formation?

@lukbohra

7 жыл бұрын

Patricio Baez Buchanan ctrl + g

I think you would like Adrian Goldsworthy's books, especially the Fall of Carthage. Good stuff.

I used the Triplex Acies today in a couple battles but I used legionaries instead of principes. It worked quite well actually :)

The basic core Roman unit was the century of about 100 men. 100 equals a century, right... Anyway, two centuries equaled a maniple which is the core manipular unit of the triplex acies. I would arrange two Total War units to equal a maniple: not one. However, Total War limits units on the field so you would not have a full 30 maniples including 10 hastati, 10 principes, and 10 triarii. The maniple was arranged with the two cohorts one in front of the other. Not side by side. However, you could arrange that way if you desired for example whether you were fighting a phalanx or swordsmen. The front maniple was called the posterior cohort, and the back Corhort was the anterior cohort. The front cohort would pin a unit, and the rear cohort would flank it or fill the gap between two maniples. Once the Romans adapted the 6 century cohort, it was to add width and depth to the cohort to fight the Gauls. Roman comanders brought their legions principes forward to add depth to their hastati when engaged against the phalanx. The cool tactic with this is once your skirmisher pass through or withdraw between the maniples in checkerboard quincunx formation, you can shift over your anterior cohort to fill the gap to cover them. I noticed at about 10:04 that a a few of your hastati were routing or broke, when the anterior cohort shifts right or left to fill the manipular gaps, they can form a solid line and advance or move forward one at a time to reinforce the gaps or relieve routing units. Or even before a unit routs, you can pull them back into your new formed line and renew the fight later. This very technique was the Romans secret. They could renew the fight over and over. Sending fresh men into the melee. I'll let you know one secret of mine. Prior to sending in my new line of fresh legionaires, I'll allow them to throw their pila into the enemy while the first line is engaged. This front line prevents an enemy rush into your new line. The more the legionaires who can throw pila, the more you can drop enemy numbers. This alliviates skirmishers and archers for more heavy infantry legionaires. ;-) Good video and it's great to see this formation is use. I enjoyed watching it.

Excellent video!

Good work dude, i like it! U could make a serie about romes famous batles, from the begning to the late empire.. Like the evolution of warfare in roman army. Can b hard but we (viewers) can also help u regarding content for it :)

i use a motified version of the triple ex acies online and i have doen well when i am the infantry and i have auxilery player who brings the cavlry and the ranged units. it can actualy work

do you study history xD or just read for yourself? I love history too and read for myself even that I don't study history or anything related to it

First cohorts or eagle cohorts need to be used as surrogate generals to help with morale and units fighting better.

Funny how the video starts with a disciplined formation but when it gets closer to the enemy its still the "who can make the thinner line" type of formation.

@gryphonicbaguette

4 жыл бұрын

Cause the gaps would be used against the romans. You cannot simply have gaps in your lines

@MattParra15

2 жыл бұрын

@@gryphonicbaguette yes you can, I attack with that exact formation every time, the 1st line is defense and bait, the enemy units usually spreads out with a thin line to try to surround my densely formed front units (which defends good because their packed together and made to stand gaurd instead of attack) while my 2nd line (offense line) moves up to the gaps to flank the enemies over extended line that was trying to flank my 1st line, and then it snowballs into victory with low deaths on my side I do this on hard difficulty, I started using it because I watched an online player win with this tactic and I learned that Romans really did that

Personally, i think those gaps are way too big.. there is no way they would leave such open space in their line. Another problem of it is in fact that it puts 2/3 of army into reserve, while 1/3 needs to match the length of enemy army, which usually was deployed in single line... which means, Roman first line had to be very thin to be able to do that.. if you read Caesars Bello Civili, he commonly mentions depth of the line of his army vs depth of enemy. (at Pharsalus, Pompey was deployed in almost 2x deeper formation than Caesar) So for some reason, Romans considered depth more important than being able to outflank the enemy.. they always matched the length of enemy. Personally, i think we are looking at it wrong.. It was never about perfect geometrical formations, but these units fought in a "cloud" like way, with front row holding the line, while rear ranks were engaging enemy from range, and reinforce the front line as required.. Common deployment of practically all armies was to put best soldiers into first line, so they hold the line.. Romans put their young in first lines, to tire the enemy best.. then withdraw them and attack with their best.. which would give them advantage because they would be fresh, fighting tired enemy.. but for that, there couldnt be huge space between young and experienced, because those young would just break.. they needed to feel support from their veterans, and therefore i think they were just few meters away, in third or fourth rank right behind them...

if your opponent wasn't awful you would have been destroyed that battle

great video, i learned a lot. thanks!

There is a much easier way to form your troops. Make a line with your hastati and principes, mixing them (hastati/principes/hastati/pri....). Then select only the principes, and move them back. Just a suggestion ;)

Very interesting where do you learn about these tactics

@Observer29830

9 жыл бұрын

MrR1D3R Google 'Wikipedia roman infantry tactics'

@Lolbanaan123456789

8 жыл бұрын

Its this thing called books. It appeared to me as a magical invention done years ago. A few years back i found out about them. Since then i have bewn reading(that's what you do with them to get the information out) them extensively. I recommend trying some on roman history.

@ColJenkins

8 жыл бұрын

MrR1D3R The internet. Oh, don't forget about the ancient relics of the past commonly referred to as "books". They contain much arcane wisdom and lore of the dark ages of the past.

@MrR1D3R

8 жыл бұрын

ColJenkins cool what books do you recommend. Also have you read the series by Colleen McCullugh, the masters of Rome series, I think you would enjoy those if you havent already

@ColJenkins

8 жыл бұрын

MrR1D3R I'm currently reading "The Roman Army: The Greatest War Machine Of The Ancient World" by Chris McNab. It's a decent book on the subject.

I would be nice if you can make Alexander at Gaugamela :)

You're asking about the triple acies working in the game. The battle you fought lasted 3 mins. Total war needs to sort out the battle length first.

rome 2 should have an ordered, disciplined retreat for certain units like hastati pricipes or legionaire cohort so these tactics could be applied. since they don't, i always leave gap between hastati fighting so when one is overwhelm i have one cohort of principes advance and support on the flank or rear

you know you know you can select them all, and go to formations and select triple axes right?

@akshaykumarjha9136

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah but in the default formation setting, the gap between the units is too less for the velites or principes to act freely. So, it is better to form Triplex Acies manually

On my campaign I did something like this with Epirus and it worked well

how you draw a line in 1:25 plz tell me how to do that

Very interesting and informative

how do you draw on the screen?????? please post!

It may not be affective but I can see why it might put off the your opponent by making your force look bigger and making him/her think you're a better player than they are with the use of such tactics

My style of fighting is based off of this, but revised to fit the style of gameplay needed for decisive victory. First off I always go for a defensive fight allowing the enemy to march at me which allows me full control over my formation whereas attack may catch me in a less organized spot. I have my Archers take point followed by a line of my standard infantry, this is often inverted as I will sometimes put my archers behind the first line and order them to hold position. Then I wait it out and see if the first line collapses or starts to weaken which is when I call in my reserve units which may be up to two lines of stronger troops. I only deploy them to weak areas and generally keep them back unless my men start to route. Then behind that line would be my Cavalry who come and quickly counter flanking maneuvers, fill holes in the line, or route troops. Siege equipment usually finds a place in the middle of the line. And that's basically my take on repurposing these ideas.

Historically accurate. Romans weren't great at skirmishing, or scouting. They used allied auxiliaries for that... Because the thing Rome was truly great at was utilizing allied tribes/nations strengths against like-minded holdouts who did not have the discipline of the Roman legions backing them up. I encourage you to read Caesars account of his conquest of Gaul as evidence of this. He references his reliance on allied Gallic auxiliaries multiple times (though he downplays it somewhat, being Roman and all... and presumably writing for a Roman audience).

How do you do that in 2:05 (the cinematic camera, not the troop camera)?

@Sol_Invictus-

9 жыл бұрын

Letter K

@joshuajones9119

9 жыл бұрын

nomorepolar bearsoon cheers and beers thanks

@Sol_Invictus-

9 жыл бұрын

NP man :) Btw clicking N while you are in letter k mode is cool too :)

Hey, a stupid question: how did you get all 20 unit cards in the same row?

@mrwabbit9576

9 жыл бұрын

onemoreturn I think you need a super wide screen. I think.

@onemoreturn

9 жыл бұрын

Disdain for Plebs Yeah, I guess.

Hey Oakley, i was just wondering if you knew what you have to do to get "the lost eagle" achievement? I got it yesterday doing an online battle, and steam only says "defeat someone who already has this achievement". I checked the forums, and people don't know there either. Please help :)

@InvictaHistory

10 жыл бұрын

Nah I don't really follow achievements and am not sure about the details for this one

@fizzypurple5495

10 жыл бұрын

THFE Productions I think its for defeating a developer or someone else who already has. Anyway, just want to use this opportunity to thank you for the great content! :D P.S do you use any mods?

@InvictaHistory

10 жыл бұрын

Fizzy Purple not very often. I could but thats mostly to enrich a campaign experience which I dont have much time for

@fizzypurple5495

10 жыл бұрын

THFE Productions Makes sense. I do like all the unit mods though, they all look so bad ass!! :D

@owenwu5554

8 жыл бұрын

+Fizzy Purple I have one

Can you use this strategy with other factions?

I had never thought of trying to catch my opponent before he's had breakfast.

Your description of ancient melee combat (small detachments charging and falling back constantly w/ room in between the armies) is actually highly debated FYI.

This is how history is supposed to be told

how do u do the green blue red lines? what do u toggle in game?

@ADogNamedStay

8 жыл бұрын

He records it first and then commentates over the recording.

How do you get the battle marker?

You guys should play DEI mod and in campaign the slower movement and slower battles works really well with historical tactics, pikes are also not as broken where any pike unit will beat any other infantry unless they get outflanked so I often find charging straight into them not as suicidal as in the vanilla. Also i see a lot of comments about realism and in DEi they implemented a system of supply lines where armies who cannot establish a supply line with their faction suffer attrition. Its a really challenging mod. Plus its easy to install just subscribe to all 6 parts of the mod if you bought the game from steam

Triplex acies does not mean 3 single lines. the gaps in the lines were used to reinforce. If they needed a single line the second line could fill the gaps at the front. But if they were flanked they could support the left or right flank.

I prefer the simplex version. also I thought everyone would use these formations. I prefer these over long lines.

Weren't the triarii held in reserve though, not the first to fight? I thought normally velites engaged, then hastati, principes and the triarii were the "oh shit" button

@athaeus2667

4 жыл бұрын

There was even a common proverb in Rome for when trouble really struck. It's come to the triarii.

Triple accies works better if u put ur rear lines into 4 wide columns and push them through the gaps or make gaps with them then u hit the enemy in the rear and flanks. I never charge the front line I absorb onto spears and charge the second through the static defenders

if i'm not wrong, the triari were actually deployed in a continues line