OK great just what I was interested in I'm doing a maple cap alder Tele Honey brown stain rub in rub off Looks really good even w/o wet sanding So that next step after the stain of oil is the key Thanks

Could you do a video on the prep for finish? I seem ro fail that often

@IPGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

I have several videos on this including one in this series of videos :) here's a nifty link to it:kzread.info/dash/bejne/n5Nk162JgLKTXbA.html and at around the 12 minute mark I go into detail about prepwork for staining and finish in general.

@fufc1231

2 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars thanks ill go watch rn!

Do you think its feasible/advisable to sand back, change the colour and apply this finish to just the face of an acoustic while leaving the existing colour/finish intact on the back and sides??

@IPGuitars

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely feasible. You just need to make sure to remove ALL of the old finish and sealer on the top, but it is definitely doable.

Really nice video! I do have a question though. Im currently working on a guitar made out of sapele and the dye that im using works really well! I tried the dye on the scrap wood and then tried finishing it with tru oil Though the tru oil ended up darkening the color and making it turn green. (the dye is torquoise blue) How can I fix this? Should I buy another type of dye?

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

What kind of stain are you using? Turquoise is a tricky color, because it can vary on how much of the green or blue pigment pops through. A quick way of seeing if it's the stain or the finish that is causing that effect is to see how the stain looks if you just apply water on it. If pigment lifts off is another way of telling. Also, sapele's own color can greatly affect how a stain looks on it. Best thing to do is just experiment on your test piece to see which result gets what you want :) tiresome, sure. But it will be worth it to get the look you're going for in the end.

@pansonapanda

3 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars thanks for the advice! The stain that im using is called transfast and its a soluble dye. First time i did it right but i put too much tru oil which is most likely why it turned green. Though I just tried it today on another patch of my scrap wood and it turned seafoam green after putting a light touch of the oil and I think i'm satisfied with that! Thank you for the help! It also has some weird cool affect where it changes the hue of the color depending on the light.

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Oh cool, haven't heard of the product before, but really interesting to hear that there really is that big of a change in color. But if you're happy with how it's turning out then that is the only thing that matters!💪

Could i put a stain over a single thin coat of tru oil or should I sand it first.

@IPGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

If you have oil underneath, the stain will not stick. You'll need to apply the stain on bare wood and then finish with a product of your choice.

Great videos, just subbed! I tried that method before, and I ended up smearing my stain and having it still getting in my rag even after several coats. I then had to use sanding sealer to seal the wood before applying my oil. Does the finish you're using end up locking the colors in, or you still experience some sort of bleeding ?

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

You will always get a little bit of bleeding as not all the pigment necessarily penetrates the wood. Which is why you gotta apply whatever oil you might put on top very carefully. The amount of bleeding very much has to do with what kind of stain and HOW MUCH of the stain you apply in one go. More stain=more pigment that might linger on the surface. This is why test pieces are the key honestly :) that way you can avoid ruining your work in the worst case scenario

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

And thanks for the support! :D

@mvyper

3 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars not at all! I'm new to this, and trying to learn as much as possible. I used Angelus dyes. Derek from BigDGuitars once told me that, expecially with Angelus, you should always spray sanding sealer first to lock the colors in, before applying oil. So, I'm off to trying several options. 😁

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Ah alright, I haven't tried out their products yet, but funnily enough watching old BigD videos got me started in refinishing back in the day as well.

@mvyper

3 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars he's got some amazing videos! Thanks a lot for taking the time to answer. I watched some of your tutorials, that's some great stuff. 😉

I'm doing this to a bc rich V . My question is can you do a burst with black edge and green to light green without having it bleed too much? I want to use water base but don't know what to use . What is the best brand or best stain to use?

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can absolutely do this. What I would really suggest is getting an extra piece of wood that is at the very least similar grain and color to what you're planning to stain. This way you can experiment with the technique and not risk ruining your actual piece :) As for what stain to use, not sure of the "best" brand currently, but out of what I have tried I would suggest TLC Guitar Goods, Crimson, and I think StewMac has some if you're US based. I also have a video where I did a burst with water-based stains "Finishing My First Guitar Build: Staining A Burst By Hand" it's an old one, but atleast it shows kind of how to approach something like this with just stain and paper towels.

@InstrumentalArcanum

3 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars thanks so much for the response man . I really appreciate that . One more question does wood grain matter when it comes to water base? I believe it's similar to a white birch or something like that . Is it better to dilute with water to get a lighter color . It's a very tight grain not really any contour like maple . I want it to pop out and not just stay one solid color. Is the best method to sand after staining or just dilute stain with water ? I wanted a black rim with a progressively lighter as you go green to get a burst effect.

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

The grain doesn't matter as much really. What you need to get a good "color sample" to go by on your test piece is a wood that is similar colour and sanded to the same grit as your actual piece of work. The rule-of-thumb really is that it is easier to add stain than to remove :) so if you're still new to it dilute the stain with water and then add stain if you need to. If you're going to be staining the whole lot in one go (e.g. not having a base color) then you don't need to sand it down. If you want to have a basecoat of a solid color, then after it has cured, sand it down with a relatively high grit (320 or 400 or higher depending on the effect you want). At the end of the day: just have fun and experiment :) By far that is the best way to find what works for you and how the stain applies, works, and blends. When doing the final black pass on the very outside, I would suggest having the rag very wet with mostly water. That way you're blending everything together.

@InstrumentalArcanum

3 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars what brands of paint are best for water base ? Where do I buy them ? Im guessing home depot wont carry it right ? Is it the brand crimson or crimson guitars . I looked it up was a bit confused. :/

@IPGuitars

3 жыл бұрын

Ah sorry about that :) soyeah the brand of stain I used in this video were the "Stunning Stains" made by Crimson Guitars. They have both water and spirit based. Other similar would be through TLC Guitar Goods that I know of.

I stained my self built bass with wasterbased stains and then used hardoil on it. because thoil doestn really create a waterproof shield so to say, the color went of when you play with sweaty hands. Wouldnt that happen to your build as well?

@IPGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

That is a great question, but not the case. I have experienced this with certain oils pulling the pigment off the stain rather a lot. For instance I had issues with Tung oil and spirit based blue stains where the pigment would just come off, but then water based purple and red worked fine. With the CG oil (based upon a Truoil-type oil) I used in this example, I had no issues as it builds and penetrates the wood grain. It is very important to test and experiment with the woods and stains you have before applying to a final product, just to kind of troubleshoot :) What oil and stain did you use for yours?

@MightyGodlikeG

2 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars I'm located in Germany, so the most common stain is water based stain by "Clou", i put that on, let it dry for a couple of days and then put the "Clou Hardoil" on it. It's supposed to be used on floors and such, builds a "waterresistant protection". I put 3 coats of that on the bass, let it sit for 1-2 days each. In the end i wasn't really happy with the result, since my stain was too dark and the oil a) ended up a little sticky and b) after half an hour of playing the palm of my right hand ended up green. I anded off the oild and stain, restained it to my liking and planned to let it be clearcoated. sadly the guys of the paint shop called me and told me that the clear coat they use didnt work on my testpiece, since bubbles came up. sSo now i'm kinda clueless on how to finish my stained bass without running into the same problem again

@IPGuitars

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm.. okay, I read up on the technical sheet for the oil you mentioned. So you applied it by rubbing it on and then wiped away the excess? Or in this case with the stain, left the first layer on until it started to tack and then rubbed away the excess? Really strange, because by all that I managed to read up on it should work. It does seem to have a long dry time, but as long as you really rub away excess oil, it shouldn't remain sticky. As for the painters clear coating it, I don't know what products they used, but it could be that either there was some residual oil on the surface that the clear coat didn't really "stick to", applied too heavily, or the sealer wasn't sufficient enough. I'm sorry to hear you've had trouble with this, but I am more than happy to help if I can, so that you can get the finish you are after. I've helped out online with this stuff before as well, so feel free to send me an email to info@ipguitars.com or reach out via Facebook/Instagram

@MightyGodlikeG

2 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars Thanks for your help, it's pretty rough to get through all the obstacles during a build when you are an amateur and need some equipment on the side. I'll let it sit for some days to get a clear mind and think about further steps. I'll reach out to you if i fail again :D Also thank you for your videos, they've helped me out on many points during my build

@MightyGodlikeG

2 жыл бұрын

@@IPGuitars Sorry, forgot to answer the first part. Yeah, i wiped it on, let it sit for 20 minutes and then rubbed off the excess. I guess it remained sticky on the parts where i wasn't that precise, so it ended up a little sloppy