US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on? | To the Point
Germany and China are strengthening ties, but the German chancellor’s high level, and high-stakes visit to Beijing will be a diplomatic and economic challenge.
Both countries can’t seem to get a grip on their economic woes. China is trying to export masses of subsidized goods to Europe and America. But that creates new problems.
The US, and its Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen are already threatening further tariffs and a trade war. Meanwhile, Germany is trying a new China strategy, which oscillates between cooperation and isolation.
On To the Point we ask: US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on?
Our guests:
Vendeline von Bredow is the Senior Germany correspondent for The Economist, based in Berlin.
Felix Lee is a journalist, a long-time correspondent in China and currently works for the specialist German news outlet China.Table.
and Matthew Karnitschnig is a journalist and correspondent with Politico here in Berlin.
Chapters
1:40: Both Germany and China face demographic challenges.
02:30: China is actively developing crucial technologies.
03:40: Will the U.S. decouple or de-risk?
05:00: Can Germany compete with China in future technologies?
06:30: “If Germans want to keep up, they must invest significantly.”
07:30: Europe isn’t behaving as a global power.
09:30: Analyzing Germany’s “China Strategy.”
10:10: Large German companies are unlikely to withdraw from China.
12:20: China’s message to smaller Western companies: “We no longer need you.”
12:50: China is not a free market and has never been one.
13:20: China’s products are flooding the world.
15:30: Germany has no choice but to engage with both China and the USA.
16:40: Is fair trade with China possible?
18:50: Will Trump increase pressure on China?
19:30: The U.S. maintains substantial trade volumes with China.
20:30: De-risking hasn’t been fully implemented by Germany yet.
22:30: China is already decoupling.
23:30: De-globalization is already underway.
23:55: Germany will face significant challenges.
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I live in Australia, our government used to pump in billion of our tax money to subsidize major car companies like GM, Ford etc, why ? Because our government thought it was worthwhile to keep the industry and keep the car industry competitive against cars imported from Japan and Europe, but interestingly we heard no complaints whatsoever about Japan or Europe car, and the media thought the exercise of subsidies were legitimate, no complaints at all. Now China boost the EV industry to get the country met the environment needs, improve air quality, but the Western world critical about it. What a double standards and hypocrite😮
@happymelon7129
Ай бұрын
China has many lesson of corruption after pump in too much , too fast money. Now Beijing is very very careful .
@ANTheWhizkid
Ай бұрын
Since Ford and Holden is gone, Australia doesn’t produce cars anymore.
@iScoopyPal
Ай бұрын
Improving the environment and air quality alone is worthy of the subsidies. The problem is that China is doing it outstandingly. It also suffers many setbacks that the West enjoys. However, China's success is met with nothing but jealousy.
@happymelon7129
Ай бұрын
% of the cars produced are exported. Germany: 75% South Korea: 70% Japan: 50% China: 15% U$ : China’s has overcapacity.
@happymelon7129
Ай бұрын
😆commitment ? 29-3-2024, Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two years. After two years, that program has only delivered seven open charging stations with a total of 38 spots where drivers can charge their vehicles, according to a spokesperson for the Federal Highway Administration. (The funding should be enough to build up to 20,000 charging spots or around 5,000 stations, according to analysis from the EV policy analyst group Atlas Public Policy.)
Lol which side is germany on , as if germany has any choice 😂😂😂
@mustafakhan6935
Ай бұрын
Germany is always side under belly of USA😅
@dagmarvandoren9364
Ай бұрын
Germany...colony. we lost the war
@sulandelemere
Ай бұрын
Good to know people know what’s going on.
@wordscapes5690
Ай бұрын
@@mustafakhan6935And the Middle East and Africa are always sitting at the bottom of China and Russia’s toilet.
@ssss8162
Ай бұрын
Germany is on the US side.
US maintain its economy due to its democracy? I thought it is the hegemony of military and US Dollar.
@netizencapet
Ай бұрын
Yaaas indeed!
@platocai8874
Ай бұрын
Let's get back to the essence of things, do you know, in 2023,automobile export data: Germany exported 75%, Korea 70%, Japan 50%, China only 15%
@satyaanakbali
Ай бұрын
@@platocai8874but do you know the rate of chinese export has grown by 69% compare to the previous year?
@platocai8874
Ай бұрын
@@satyaanakbali Of course I know, but do you know? Most of the cars exported by China are from the single market of Russia. Tchaikovsky and Russian cats have been sanctioned, not to mention cars. Therefore, Chinese cars are continuously exported to Russia.
@platocai8874
Ай бұрын
@@satyaanakbali there is another reason, out of political necessity, many countries only report negative news about China, which leads to receiving news that is lagging many times, but the world is always updating, and when this continuous change accumulates to a certain point, it creates quantitative change, so you may wonder what is happening.
Do not worry Germany always chooses the wrong path
@mathew9508
Ай бұрын
🥲
@wdp7128
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@asenkokona
Ай бұрын
LOL...
@jasbergdious3974
Ай бұрын
😅😅😅😅
@amandagrant4331
Ай бұрын
Now German leaders hate Germany.
I'm sorry the over-capacity argument I don't buy. Chinese EVs make up 5,2% of the global market and 94,8% are sold in the Chinese market. If this argument was serious then we would be arguing that Germany has a problem in over-capacity in its automotive sector because 13% is sold outside Germany. Why no one made this argument about Germany (and I would make the same argument about Japanese automotive sector). It sounds like people are saying that the Chinese must have enough capacity to only sell in China. But then that means there should be no trade. I don't think anyone wants that.
@user-hc9lp3hb1r
Ай бұрын
The only reason Chinese EV's only make up 5.2% of the global market is because they are currently vastly inferior to US and European EV's and people know it. Once the Chinese can produce an EV on par with a Tesla at half the price you will see many EV companies going bankrupt.
@Saeras42
Ай бұрын
You're right, this argument doesn't withstand any criticism. It's even crafted in a way that most viewers will easily find it fair, 'as if for first graders.' After all, regular viewers don't know the market figures and data you've mentioned in your comment. Unfortunately, these double standards will remain a problem for a long time. But eventually, honest work will prevail. So, it's inevitable - over time, the truth will have to be acknowledged. They won't be able to enrich themselves at the expense of other nations as they did before. They'll have to work.
@ZweiZwolf
Ай бұрын
if China has EV overcapacity, then OPEC has oil overcapacity. The USA should demand that OPEC not flood the market with cheap oil!
@user-ru4pv7os9z
Ай бұрын
耶伦老奶奶已经不是经济学家了,她已经变成一个政客了
as a chinese, China never force u to choose between US or China we are not US, this is not our style u choose ur self to be Germany
@bsmithhammer
Ай бұрын
That's laughable.
@luciferone2664
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Jonas-sw8mj
Ай бұрын
I'm sceptical. You do reverse engineer and steal tech. It's not all sunshine and rainbows in China either. A balanced approach is needed to both China and USA imo. Put your own people first - focus on your long-term goals. Germany looks very aimless under Sholtz, he's a terribly weak leader.
@mr.ghidorah4202
Ай бұрын
Yeah. Instead, you undermine countries until they submit to your bidding. We see though you Winnie the Pooh.
@kenho-wr5ul2rh7m
Ай бұрын
@@bsmithhammer keep urself laugh then we are busy to improve ourselves
Look, the US blew up Germany's gas pipelines. It's pretty clear who should Germany work with for its own interests.
@XquizitRush
Ай бұрын
You do not know who blew up the pipelines.
@larynOneka8080
Ай бұрын
@James-lf4dp Everyone knows who blew up the pipeline. Don't be obtuse.
@musiconabudget3712
Ай бұрын
@@XquizitRushdon't be juvenile
@roninxix4428
Ай бұрын
It sure isn’t China
@challengerxgs3307
Ай бұрын
The question is whether they have the guts.
Germany will choose the wrong side as it is runned by puppets
@killuazoldyck4742
Ай бұрын
Gotta admit i see puppeteers on both sides. 😂
@Do-not-be-sheep
Ай бұрын
Yes that is my concern as well that many senior German politicians are being controlled by China. Money talks
@vlhc4642
Ай бұрын
Historically the side Germany joins will probably lose.
@davidlai399
Ай бұрын
@@killuazoldyck4742one puppet destroys German industry, while the other promotes economic expansion. German conglomerates such as Siemens, BASF, and VW already made their choices clear.
@aaabbb-py5xd
Ай бұрын
Germany is property of the USA. Germany does NOT get to choose. Germany leaving the USA is like an abused wife leaving her husband. Germany's face, if not its life itself, will be rearranged by the USA.
This is absurd. China is the main economic engine in the world. It is in Europe's interest to trade and to have good economic relations with China.
America dictates Germany. Which side is Germany on that is not a question at all.
@ethimself5064
Ай бұрын
Germany is doomed if takes sides with China. The West pissed their future away back in the 80's
@kingwing3203
Ай бұрын
与美国为敌不会死,与美国为盟则死无葬身之地。
@oldsenpai4337
Ай бұрын
Isn't Europe trying to decouple from everyone and make their own path as a "3rd option" between USA and China?
@OliverBuschmann
Ай бұрын
Evidence?
@davec110
Ай бұрын
@@OliverBuschmann Nord Stream 2, enough said.
While Chinese products are "artificially cheap", american products are artificially expensive, I'm looking at you apple
@anypercentdeathless
Ай бұрын
Hard to take you seriously when you can't spell, use basic punctuation, or even know what a sentence is. Do they not have sentences in China? Unbelievable.
@lianghao7128
Ай бұрын
@@anypercentdeathless You know English? That's incredible, I'm proud of you.
@danielbrown7534
Ай бұрын
@@anypercentdeathless and you mastered how many languages?
@ZweiZwolf
Ай бұрын
Chinese products are structurally "cheap" due to extremely efficient infrastructure, automation, and logistics, along with low cost of labor. China's market socialist economy makes core energy, communications, and transportation a public good that is available on a cost plus basis, rather than as a profit center priced at what the market will bear.
@archstanton5973
Ай бұрын
@@danielbrown7534 *Well you obviously haven't even "mastered" BASIC ENGLISH........*
Germany should stand for herself and work for herself, not for american.
@SpazzyMcGee1337
Ай бұрын
Good thing German economic ties with dictatorships have never come back to bite it. It means Germany doesn't have to give a second thought to dealing with them!
@tlll8590
Ай бұрын
When German talk to stay side, they don't like US. When they need military and money support, they switch to friend of US. It is classic.
@walhdamaskus2408
Ай бұрын
@@SpazzyMcGee1337 , dealing with who? If everyone isnt think like u and are agree with u then they are dictator, so what make they cant able to think like u and call u as a dictator when u arent agree with them.
@walhdamaskus2408
Ай бұрын
@@tlll8590 , US aint everyone side. They are a selfish superpower as like as any others superpowers. Germany is their friend as long as german are useful to them.
@SpazzyMcGee1337
Ай бұрын
@@walhdamaskus2408 I'm sorry, but which dictator to the East are you trying to defend right now? It's hard to keep track
When China produced all the toys and clothing for the whole world, no one complained about "over-capacity".
It's not like China takes it seriously from 2 years ago. They have worked hard for decades in so many area to bring them to the place now in so many industry fields. Autonmotive, AI, Space programs, mining, shipping, machinery, transportation.......
😂Germany has already made this choice years ago. Has not you made your ultimate sacrifice to serve your master? He busted your energy tube to detach you from Russia and turned you from a manufacturing power house into a vassal state. Oh, are u still investigating?
@HTeo-og1lg
26 күн бұрын
You can't wake up someone if he or she is pretending to be asleep. There are at least two kinds of Germans - (1) those who knows what is happening, but chose to take the "bribe" of personal gain in subscribing to the "revolving doors" (legacy of the Marshall Plan personal career infrastructure, where politicians in the West takes up lucrative post after their stint in the corridors of political power, (2) those who are challenged in critical thinking skills, thus susceptible to being colonized ideologically by a foreign empire. For example, Ursula and Annalena, each belongs to category (1) and category (2) respectively.
The moment I heard Economic decline was high level in China while low level in Germany made the show a joke.
@willengel2458
Ай бұрын
the empire's tentacles has infiltrated most media. they shutdown RT, CGTN so you can't get another view.
@JG-xi4tu
Ай бұрын
Bot can't even give a timestamp in the video
@gwilhelmw
Ай бұрын
@@JG-xi4tu 1:36 decline of economic GROWTH, china FROM a high level, germany FROM a lower level..
@JG-xi4tu
Ай бұрын
@@gwilhelmw Yeah exactly, thank you. These bots get out of hand. "The level of Economic decline in China is high & low level of economic decline in germany" Is *not* at *all* the same statement as "Both China and Germany suffer an economic slowdown, where China of course declines in rate from a higher initial level"
@mutkaluikkunen3926
Ай бұрын
As they said, companies in China are not living under the normal market rules. Chinese government is heavily subsidizing many of the critical companies so it seems like they are doing strong even if they're not generating much or any profit at all. Under normal market economy rules those companies would've been bankrupt ages ago.
Blinken:If you're not at the table in the international system, you're going to be on the menu.
@felipe-vibor
Ай бұрын
He copied Kenyan president William ruto's statement
@karlmin8471
Ай бұрын
Such cruel and evil words.
@Cotswolds1913
Ай бұрын
@@karlmin8471true and advisable words*
@davidcwitkin6729
Ай бұрын
Time for all of us to start eating Chinese food
@ssuwandi3240
Ай бұрын
Blinker seems naive his table isn't that visible outside of DC or Ukraine. His menu must be very limited.. things that others do not desire anymore like the safe and effective
Honestly speaking *Germany* *UK* and *Japan* have no choice
@dagmarvandoren9364
Ай бұрын
Uk has favorites of USA
@leondongcn
Ай бұрын
Same as the Philippines&S.Korea, only the lapdog of Uncle Sam
Which side is Germany on, you asked. The side where your bread is buttered, Genius.. 😂😂😂😂
Terrible journalism The question should be what is best for Germany? Not who to support or trade with?
@bsmithhammer
Ай бұрын
If you think those questions are separable, then you need an economics class.
@Nollic15
Ай бұрын
There will be ethnic Germans in Germany in 100 years so who cares?
@Kingofthehill84
Ай бұрын
Germany biggest export markets are United States ($153B), France ($120B), China ($109B), Netherlands ($109B), and Italy ($90.7B).😅
@sulandelemere
Ай бұрын
@@Kingofthehill84china has once again become Germany’s number one trading partner
@aslampervez2294
Ай бұрын
@@Kingofthehill84US is having trade 700 billion dollars annual trade but US wants to stifle Germany China trade
Maybe grow some balls and make decisions based on the interests of the German people? Not be overly concerned about what everyone else wants and thinks. A friend of all is a friend of none.
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
The interests of the German people is democracy and freedom. Not dictatorship and tyranny. Being a part of the free world, is in the interests of the German people.
@happymelon7129
Ай бұрын
But Vassal freedom = length of dog leash
@v_for_vercis
Ай бұрын
@@hkonhelgesenthat doesn’t mean we Europeans need to be American puppets. Enough is enough
@Jonas-sw8mj
Ай бұрын
@hkonhelgesen Germany is banning people from entering (Gaza surgeon og Greece x finance ministers), and you're denying them the right to protest or even speak about what they have witnessed. What democracy are you talking about?? You're halfway to Gestapo-land already.
@andia968
Ай бұрын
@@hkonhelgesen you forgot another desire of every decent german . to be 100 percent independent without interference from ther countries (USA included)
Why would Germany need to take a side? You guys are sick.
@Ahoooooooo
Ай бұрын
Because the US said so . If you are not with them , then you are against them . It's a bullies strategy, but it works until everyone turns against you .
@eddastrohmayer251
Ай бұрын
Right, realpolitik and trade diversity!
@david50665
Ай бұрын
Germany already chose a side..
@edwardhochwand9063
Ай бұрын
They are just telling: „Don’t choose China.“
@sunday_2000
Ай бұрын
不是有病,是德国没有选择,领土有美国驻军的那一刻,德国的国家主权就不再完整,外交就不再独立。所以答案很简单:德国会永远站队美国,因为德国的后背有美国人的机枪。
Germany is a country without a unified view, the Foreign Minister and the Minister of Finance are not in the same political party as the Chancellor, Scholz and German companies want to do business with China, the CEO of Benz, BMW, they all go to China this time, And there's a U.S. military presence in Germany, so in fact, it is very difficult for Germany to have a unified policy and attitude towards China.
@r3dpowel796
Ай бұрын
no its just a country with lack of sovreignity
@gezhang-nu2vv
Ай бұрын
@@r3dpowel796 sovreignity problem is the root cause , you are right .
@JoanneLeon
Ай бұрын
Those CEOs will be changing their tune just like all the others as China replaces all the products they build in China and disadvantages them in every possible way. They're stuck for now and have to play nice until they can replace those operations elsewhere. Just open your eyes and admit you've been taken for a ride and then thrown on the dustheap of economic miracles. All to save a few bucks and undermine your own workers.
@davidcwitkin6729
Ай бұрын
That is what a Democracy sometimes looks like
@mcending98
Ай бұрын
That sounds great, like a working democracy with multiple oppinions and differentiated decisions.
To be an enemy of the US can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal. It is essential for Germany to keep distance from its Warmonger big brother .
@Pierre-Leloup
Ай бұрын
Troll
@aslammighty8835
Ай бұрын
Well said. The current USs economical conditions says it all..
@electron6825
Ай бұрын
@@aslammighty8835The Chinese economy is in recession, the US is not 😂
@aslammighty8835
Ай бұрын
@@electron6825 even with negitive 34 trillions dollars??? China has invested its money globally especially in poor countries and making todays Billions of Dollars. China means Business and no wars. Whereas US economy is suffering today due to non-stops on going wars.
@Weahcyrus
Ай бұрын
@@electron6825 laughing emoji doesn’t mean you are right
Why does a country need to choose only one side? Why not both?
@TuhunluunBionoid
Ай бұрын
Because US is forcing everyone one to take a side in its attempt to create a new Cold War.
@Cotswolds1913
Ай бұрын
Because the US won’t tolerate that, nor should they.
@zackvu7283
Ай бұрын
Because they've been doing so for the past 2 decades and what has it led to? An emboldened wolf warrior China making territorial grabs in the South China Sea with its 9-10 dash line. Russia initiating a "special military operation" to conquer its neighbour, Ukraine. High economic growth requires a stable geo-political environment. You can't have that when your Authoritarian trading partners are making irrational decisions that tank everyone's economy.
@Cotswolds1913
Ай бұрын
@@zackvu7283 And not only that, but even in terms of pure economic interest, if a Europe led by Germany were to stand with the US to demand an end to China’s confiscatory trade policies, then Beijing would likely have to accede, which maybe wouldn’t be as big a deal for Germany as for the rest of the EU (Germany seems the only western economy capable of avoiding huge trade deficits with China, tho they are growing), it would indeed be a huge move for European growth as a whole, which does benefit Germany.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
Ай бұрын
that's the easy conclusion...if you're a 3 year old.
Why Germany has to take side. I think Germany is an independent country. So, they can be neutral and do what is the best for their own people.✌🏼🇩🇪✌🏽
@stevenpreston5619
Ай бұрын
Germany ceased to exist after WW2, but now a state of the U.S , just like Japan 😂
@jeovanabonifacio7531
Ай бұрын
True
@ligerdave
Ай бұрын
Can’t agree more. Ppl have been brainwashed on this siding thing. The hope of having china becoming a western style democracy is pure illusional with imperialistic mindset. Why can the west become more something else? There shouldn’t be a single system at all. Otherwise the whole world becomes an authoritarian world holistically. Be yourself and be responsible for your citizens. That’s it
@DineshTwanabasu
Ай бұрын
An independent country that cannot ask why US blew its lifeline pipe under sea.😂😂😂😂
@fjin1
Ай бұрын
Independent puppet 😮
China's subsidised products? Which one? EV cars? Is US not subsidising EV made in the US now?
@jgroszer
Ай бұрын
The US is spending epic amounts of money on its military and arms manufacturers, far more than China. Everyone knows that arms spending is thinly disguised subsidising of US manufacturers since the US army does not purchase at market prices.
@mutkaluikkunen3926
Ай бұрын
China's subsidies are on the level of it's own and you know it. As they said here, many of these EV companies are kept artificially afloat by chinese government, even if they don't make any profit and have a huge overcapacity. You would never see that level of subsidies in the west.
@zhanglan6568
Ай бұрын
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 where does the subsidy come from? if China subsidizes its EV cars with huge money, then it means that it has to tax a lot on other products, which makes other products expensive in the market. Have you seen that? The Chinese products are overall competitive not because subsidy or any kind of government intervention but because Chinese people learn from the trade with the advanced ecomomies and works hard like Germany did before.
@blahblah-yx7bl
Ай бұрын
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 overcapacity?? we sell over 90% cars in local market, the only over capacity of this world is dollar.
@JCSY1
Ай бұрын
Exactly. Everyone knows who is the king of hypocrisy.
germany should do the right thing for its own people and not do what england and the Us want(again)😡
@anu_smr
Ай бұрын
Nah u should. That's what u guys want from india😂😂
@aslampervez2294
Ай бұрын
US is having trade 700 billion dollars annual trade but US wants to stifle Germany China trade
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
Democracy and freedom, like England and USA is the best for the people. Totalitarian tyranny, like China and Russia, is only hostile and harmful to the people. The free world is best for the german people.
@easter-nmgr4086
Ай бұрын
😆is that a joke from citizen of vessel states
The lesson is quite simple: “U$A vassal” == “Bad economy” Politicians focus on geopolitics for the benefit of their masters rather than economy for the benefit of the people.
@pjhgerlach
Ай бұрын
The EU and thus Germany is not a vassal state. Unlike most African countries are slave to Russia.
@Pierre-Leloup
Ай бұрын
Troll
@cookingonthego9422
Ай бұрын
Nonsense
@XquizitRush
Ай бұрын
And this is all you learned from Beijing University? Pathetic.
@electron6825
Ай бұрын
Become a Chinese vassal instead 😂
The host: The US economy is doing far better than the Chinese economy. Seriously? We live in parallel universe?
@gsyoou
Ай бұрын
America's junk American debt has soared to 35 trillion, and gold is rising. Everyone is abandoning the dollar.
@Cotswolds1913
Ай бұрын
Maybe not far better, but it is doing better
@thysonsacclaim
Ай бұрын
Sorry but it is
@Jason-io9zg
Ай бұрын
It is by rapidly consuming credit of dollar hegemony with 4.5% interest rate and 2T printing every year.
@skydragon23101979
Ай бұрын
@@Cotswolds1913Hmm a 2.5% growth in gdp vs a 5.2% growth and you tell me US is doing better?
US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on? Me: Last time or now?
@easter-nmgr4086
Ай бұрын
The wrong side by German as always
@SamXu
Ай бұрын
Which side does Germany should side on with? I think Germany should think more currency instead of country on actions. That would benefit for their own people. Only economic can helps nation go through the tough years at present. War will created hate and trouble historically.
@williamlai29
Ай бұрын
@@SamXu I totally agree, Germany should NOT be the puppet of USA.
If Germany only have the free will to choose…
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
They have. But China want to choose for them.
@icu17siberia
Ай бұрын
China should reciprocate trade laws/regulations with Germany. Same rules, applied exactly. That would work well
@Djamonja
Ай бұрын
Germany is now competing directly with China in EVs and other higher end manufacturing. Do you want Germany to choose China over Germany?
@user-et1vi6jo3w
Ай бұрын
@@Djamonja 독일의 주인인 미국이 중국을 선택하길 바라지 않을거다
@RDd188
Ай бұрын
Absolutely they lost it once they lost WW2
We Africa will see where Germany and Europe will get there resources to make the battery
@handle-changed
Ай бұрын
in northern europe.
@silencemeviolateme6076
Ай бұрын
We Africa? There is no unified Africa. Why are you lying?
@reallyhappenings5597
Ай бұрын
Afghanistan has the largest lithium deposits in the world and you know they will sell to anyone.
@JG-xi4tu
Ай бұрын
@@reallyhappenings5597No... Those are in Chile and China.
@icu17siberia
Ай бұрын
Not Africa. china has had Russia send mercenaries to take over the mines in Africa.
Germany is a us vassal
Google search shows Germany an independent country and not US state no 51.....is google correct or incorrect? Please guide.
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
United we stand. Divided we fall. Germany and USA share common interest against the empire. The benefit from standing united. In stead of obeying the communist divide and conquer agenda.
The title cracked me up hard. Nice try pretending to be a sovereign nation Germany.
@netizencapet
Ай бұрын
Best wording of our universally shared reaction to this video.
Germany should be on its own side. Period. Every country should be on its own side. Reject coercive request to choose side between two superpowers.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
Ай бұрын
sure, because any country, specially one that is not one of the 2 major super powers can do well just on its own. stupidity has no limits really.
@RDd188
Ай бұрын
Sorry Germany gave that up. When it lost the WW2 😂 It's now a vassal state atleast when coming to geopolitics.
China will be condemned by the USA to keep its #1 position as the largest economy EVEN if China becomes a democracy. The USA did the same to Japan when its economy was rising and will do the same to India, in the future, when competing for #2 slot.
@dragon123fantasy
29 күн бұрын
Exactly😀
How about Germany just be its own side instead of picking between US and China?
🇩🇪 Interest first, no side
Over capacity, 100+ EV car makers.... isn't it the product of free market economy?
@blahblah-yx7bl
Ай бұрын
90% sold in CHinese market, unlike german car makers. 70% sold in foreign countries. which is the real over capacity
Germany should be on Germany's side. And max on the EU's side. Period.
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
China is not on german side. USA is on the german side. Because share common interest in democracy and freedom.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh
Ай бұрын
that's the problem. each one just caring about themselves at the present time. just do what's bets for me right now. who cares about consequences, about human rights about whatever as long as we make more money? human evolution is going backwards. not many sapiens sapiens by now.
@agamliandy7843
Ай бұрын
@@hkonhelgesen US and Germany values in democracy and freedom? Are you really sure about that?
@daviddu1676
Ай бұрын
If you are doing business in a rule of jungle city, you don’t go against the will of the gangster which protects you. As the lady said, for security Germany has no choice. The fact is Germany has been militarily occupied by US since WWII. The commons don’t feel much but the guys at the top know what’s is the aftermath of going against the US on important matters. Don’t be naive. Until you can protect yourself, you are at the mercy of your protectors.
@havingdinneramaster
Ай бұрын
@@hkonhelgesen中国不会让德国站队 我们希望德国有自主权,多为自己考虑就行了。 团结的欧洲对中国有好处 自主的德国对中国有好处
At least China never bombe your natural gas pipelines 😂
@jaysu8669
Ай бұрын
This is the problem actually.
@hkonhelgesen
Ай бұрын
Russia did.
@blahblah-yx7bl
Ай бұрын
@@hkonhelgesen 😱
Do I smell another Gerhard Schroeder out there?
Germany should be it's side first - taking care of it's production and sales before considering any other competitors, including China. By the way, this means as well not to sell any German infrastructure, e.g. parts of a habour, to any foreign company, including China.
Germany is on the side of Germany. What is wrong with DW? trying to sell Germany?
@user-sm1eu1sl1r
Ай бұрын
germany is already sold.
@davec110
Ай бұрын
you think they'll let DW exist if the owner didn't kiss the ring?
And do you think America is a fair trade country?😂 keep Europe poor and American rich.
Growth cannot go on for ever, best to slow down and concentrate on the quality of life, culture etc.
"US-China trade war: Which side is Germany on?" this raises the question of oligophrenics or for oligophrenics. What this means ? that Germany has to choose between two masters? Since when did Germany become such a servant? Why doesn't Germany have its side, its interest as a nation? Things are very simple, China has cheap resources from Russia, Germany has expensive resources for the sake of its master, the US. It is not difficult to figure out what the real problems are. The most serious problem is that through NATO, Germany has ceded its sovereignty to the US, so "Slava Ukraina" until you starve. This is what happens when you elect leaders who betray their nation
The answer to this question will largely dictate how interested the US is in NATO and Europe in the future.
@chillxxx241
Ай бұрын
This is about Germany and continue to make tragic strategic errors. The best thing Germany has going for it is its technology and letting China steal it will put Germany at a disadvantage globally. Brazil made this error and lost its value added manufacturing. Now they only have agriculture and raw materials.
@fly463
Ай бұрын
@@chillxxx241 what did you mean by the Brazil example ? ;-; Can you please elaborate ? 😅
@Anthony-db7cs
Ай бұрын
Not sure Europeans should go relying on authoritarian dictatorships to fill the US void.
@tiffanylaserna1288
Ай бұрын
It goes both ways. If Americans elect Trump and side with Russia, then Europe should encourage China to do whatever the h*** they want.
@GiorniVenibato
Ай бұрын
@@chillxxx241every developing countries went through the same process! Did Japan steal American technology or is Vietnam stealing from China now with many factories and technology transfers from China to Vietnam!
Why does Germany need to choose a side? just do what is best for your people! Oh, no, the US does not allow it
Germany alone is weak but together as Europe we are strong 💪 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
@igoldenage
Ай бұрын
Still not as strong as US and China.
@blahblah-yx7bl
Ай бұрын
good luck with russia
One famous American president said ,always keep Russia out and Germany down. So u see it was not a war to down size Russia alone.
@user_ar6332
Ай бұрын
why don't you mention the name of the 'famous American president'?
@gagamba9198
Ай бұрын
@@user_ar6332 Because it wasn't a US president. The quote is about the role of Nato: 'Keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down. Those were the words of a Briton name Hastings Ismay, Nato's first secretary general.
@stephenhill545
Ай бұрын
That was in 1949. Times change.
😆Grow a spine , learn from Malaysia. "We will not pick a quarrel with China for U$." ‘We do not have a problem with China’: Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim. Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim says if Western countries have problems with China "they should not impose it upon us". Mr Ibrahim insisted that Malaysia can be friends with both China and the West. "We are an independent nation, we are fiercely independent, we do not want to be dictated by any force," Mr Ibrahim said. "So it remains to be an important friend to the US and Europe and here in Australia. They should not preclude us from being friendly to one of our important neighbours, precisely China. "If they have problems with China, they should not impose it upon us.
@mutkaluikkunen3926
Ай бұрын
China's economy is totally dependent on the trade with the west. If that goes, China goes.
when you don't have a choice, asking that question makes you feel like you do.
Germany should stay neutral.😃😃😃
The last time Germany tried to choose its own path its pipeline mysteriously blew up.
Standing in between but not siding with a country, considering economy without politics...do business with all parties....
"Like a scared child in a room full of strangers, Germany felt alone if Uncle Sam was not holding its hand." European Council of Foreign Relations - The Art of Vassalisation
@mutkaluikkunen3926
Ай бұрын
This argument started when sanctions went up against ruzzia. Kreml troll factory desperately trying to work an angle.. and failing :D
@ThiagoGrez
Ай бұрын
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 this is the title of an article written by a think tank sponsored by EU
@mutkaluikkunen3926
23 күн бұрын
@@ThiagoGrez Lets see it.
@ThiagoGrez
22 күн бұрын
@@mutkaluikkunen3926 Did you read the article?
Guys. Don't you see how pathetic this is? Even the powerful germany sees itself having to take 'sides'... This really tells me that the time of europe in the world is gone.
Germany should be neither on china or usa side, but its own side
@078percent4
Ай бұрын
On your side = enemy of America
One thing for sure . Germany is always on the wrong side - ww2 , israel , ukrain , US .... the list is very long
Germany is not a child, why does it have to choose one or the other?
@bsmithhammer
Ай бұрын
That's exactly the type of thinking that has resulted in present-day Germany. How's that working out?
@anu_smr
Ай бұрын
Like u guys ask to india Why not Germany?
@musiconabudget3712
Ай бұрын
Germany is not a child . It is a vassal state lol
@cwpv2477
Ай бұрын
because the ppl are redacted and most of west incapable to accept that someone else has power, leading to smear campaigns against an uprising superpower and overextended wars and inflation. It is always the same. since rome.
@dagmarvandoren9364
Ай бұрын
Because we lost the war........
The question would be, can US (34triilion debts) give Germany or EU substantial cheap energy? Cheap rare material? Uranium ? Infrastructure ? A big Market ? And Prosperity ? Think thrice ...
@bullpup1337
Ай бұрын
the only question is: does Germany want to go towards democracy or tyranny
@mengreat6982
Ай бұрын
@@bullpup1337 why trade and economy has to do with ideology ? Are you sure US is a democracy? The west has trade with non democracy nations since 50's so why the big deal?
@didixtar2863
Ай бұрын
China’s 56 trillions into debt lol and it’s population it’s shrinking rapidly
@nuke_Godjira
Ай бұрын
@@bullpup1337👈🤡
@nuke_Godjira
Ай бұрын
@@bullpup1337perks of democracy buddy, you can choose whatever path you want to take, who are you to tell other countries what to do? Lol
is Germany a sovereign country? is Japan a sovereign country? is Italy a sovereign country? is South Korea a sovereign country?
@DineshTwanabasu
Ай бұрын
None is
@Deonara
Ай бұрын
😢 none
Why don't you look at what you buy and see how much of it is made in China? Why not just stop buying? I will give you the simple answer: you can't because you have no way of competing.
Germany has basically lagged behind in innovation and quality. They are charging German prices for Chinese reliability. That's why BMW, Mercedes, Volkswagen have been shitboxes for years and their sales have been affected as compared to Japanese counterparts.
Felix be saying one thing over and over again, Bro we heard the overcapacity point please move on and say something else.😂😂
Europeans thought they were ripping off China... hehe well... did Europe learnt its lesson? Or is still sunk on the idea that they are "very smart" and they can go around the world doing as they please?
Is DW funded by US? I thought it was German national TV, wasn’t it?
If Germany is smart, it will be on its own side
Who is the US to tell Germany what they should do or not? 😂, why so controlling? Lol
@bsmithhammer
Ай бұрын
We aren't telling Germany what to do. Where are you getting that from?
@LCCATCX
Ай бұрын
@@bsmithhammer US told Germany to get rid of Huawei at a huge cost to Germany. This is just one example.
@bsmithhammer
Ай бұрын
@@LCCATCX We strongly recommended that they do so, we didn't "tell them to do it." That's not how it works. And ditching Huawei is absolutely a smart idea.
@marcs5117
Ай бұрын
@@bsmithhammerits an ultimatum. US tells Germany what to do
@LCCATCX
Ай бұрын
@@bsmithhammer Germany didn't throw away billions based on someone's "recommendation". Germany is a modern first world country. They don't need another country to remind them there is a risk. They are quite capable of assessing it themselves. After WWII Japan and Germany had to obey whatever the US "recommended". The whole world can see it. I hope you are not playing dumb just try to win an argument here.
‘Which side is Germany on?’ The side of germany’s daddy (US). Vassal states cant have independent strategic autonomy. Simple.
As always, on the wrong side of history.
It better be on Lady Democracy's side!!!!!!!!
@blahblah-yx7bl
Ай бұрын
so called democracy is more like a religion in europe...exclusive and inefficient, but nobody can doubt it
Uncle Sam will be watching in anger
@thewingedhussar4188
Ай бұрын
Hey considering how trump is undermining the US. How can the US be mad? If trump was in jail now, that certainly be a different story to a degree.
@mathew9508
Ай бұрын
Scholds is odd guy🎭
@BlingBlingBandido
Ай бұрын
Uncle Sam just shot himself in the bottock by betraying Ukraine and undermining the trust Europe had in the US. Military protection is now not longer an argument for Europe to play softball in any trade deals.
@jessegpresley
Ай бұрын
Uncle Sam, the guy responsible for the prosperity of Germany in the 1st place
@cookingonthego9422
Ай бұрын
USA made system happen. USA paid for it. You dont bite the hand that feeds.
Ha ha ha rediculas US economy is doing better than China??? who taught you guys math 2.5% is better than 5.2% ha ha.... what happened you guys? are you ok?
The answer to the question is quite obvious, unfortunately not only for Germany but also for western european nations, with roots dating back to the end of the 2nd WW and the Bretton Woods Agreement. Independent of that, they cannot ignore China.
3:08 even Chinese might have thought americans have common sense but then came trump 😂😂😂😂
One foot in the US boat and the other on the Chinese boat so what's going to happen? 😂😂😂😂
@user-bb7fv3ef5q
Ай бұрын
🥚🥚
@user-bb7fv3ef5q
Ай бұрын
🦵🥚🥚🦵
@KittyCat-qg4vd
Ай бұрын
Ahinzo Abe
@niceguy76
Ай бұрын
Chuck Norris at Christmas. 😂😂
@sunday_2000
Ай бұрын
中国不会在意,但美国不会同意。中国想双赢,而美国想赢两次。
This is American News channel?! Fox3
germanyt should have their own side.
I think that it would be in the best interest of the German people (not necessarily for the entrenched German political class) for Germany to not align with one side over the other, but rather to adopt a foreign policy that maximizes flexibility to adopt policy decisions on an issue-by-issue basis. Germany should be friendly to both China and the USA and not rhetorically tie itself to one or the other. Of course the problem is that the overbearing USA will not allow Germany (or any other country) to pursue this most rational of policies--the USA demands that one is "with the USA" or "against the USA".
@PapaOscarNovember
Ай бұрын
'overbearing USA' is a view from Germany. USA is committed to expending soldiers' lives and to sacrificing its population centers in nuclear exchange, in order to protect Germany if it is threatened. Germany is similarly committed to protecting Poland and Baltics. How would it sound to Germany if those countries wanted to stay neutral, not take Germany's side, and to have normal relationship with an enemy of Germany for their own sake? How does Germany feel about Hungary actively undermining European security currently?
Sadly, Germany isn’t as strong as it appears. They can be a leader in Western Europe even after the post WWII traumas/stigmas. Sadly, they don’t have strong leadership.
Wrong question asked. The right question will be what is the best interest to Germany, not picking sides for the sake of it. Determined on a case by case based on Germany's interest.
Germany making the 'Russian error' with China. 🙄
@aslammighty8835
Ай бұрын
What about the current "American Error" Germans and Germany suffering through???
@pjhgerlach
Ай бұрын
@@aslammighty8835 Which is? As a Dutchman I'm very curious about that.
@aslammighty8835
Ай бұрын
@@pjhgerlach involve in useless wars due to the US.. That bears no fruits nor today or in the Future..
germany is an american colony
@Cotswolds1913
Ай бұрын
Based on what?
@jgripen969
Ай бұрын
@@Cotswolds1913 Russian bot bro
@Asukii776
Ай бұрын
Germany is it own country not a American colony
@user-ui2ox4ux3z
Ай бұрын
Germany is a defeated nation in the second world War and today it depends on the US for its security. So it's clear that it should be careful with it's relationship with the US all the more when there is a US base in its land.
@jgripen969
Ай бұрын
@@user-ui2ox4ux3z Do you guys get paid for every comment made, or how does it work? Genuinely interested
% of the cars produced are exported. Germany: 75% South Korea: 70% Japan: 50% China: 15% US saying to allies: Look, China has overcapacity, why not tax them?🤣 😌As Australian, I've seen more and more BYD EVs in Sydney. These EVs are really competitive in terms of both price and quality👌, and they provide more choices to Aussies. I can't find a reason for rejecting those competitive cars.
Germany wants to be on the side of where it makes money so it can continue to feed its people, but its master is telling it to bite which enemy its master is facing.
@icu17siberia
Ай бұрын
Chinese view every relationship as "master or vassal"., to them you're one, or the other. Are you paying attention Germany?
@AYVYN
Ай бұрын
@@icu17siberia That isn’t true, they let North Korea form alliances with their enemies
German come + go with Zelensky,, China go with Russia
The real question is what future does Germany have if they do not choose China and BRICS as trading partners but join the US is recession and hyperinflation.
It should be on the side of maximizing the interests of Germany and the German people.
Always good to be on your own side, milking benefits from both. That's if the CIA allows you guys to.
If China can catch up after lagging behind for over 100 yrs, there is no excuse for Germany not to catch up!!
Germany don't need to choose any side, as far as it helps the countries economy!
Maintaining trade with both countries will be essential and investing in future technologies. Exactly ike it was said in the end.
Germany is already just as much at odds with China over trade imbalances and the sudden shift in automobile, tool, and automation machinery reciprocity in trade.
C’mon Germany!..You know America always been good to you 🥰🥹
@ingridd1363
Ай бұрын
except when they destroyed the pipeline so they could sell us their gas. That is what I think has happened. Germany should stay neutral. Perhaps peace-broker would be a good place for them. Don't trust anyone except their own people.
That’s decided by the US.
germany needs more beer.