Upgrade From A 3X To A 1X Drivetrain
I get asked about swapping a bike over to 1x from a bunch of different people who own bikes with a buuuuunch of different drivetrain configurations and with the recent video on upgrading my brothers bike from 3x8 to 1x10, there have been a load of questions coming in through the channel as well. I decided it time to put all of my broken thoughts and ghetto practices into video for your viewing pleasure.
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Came back to this video as a reference for my MTB and I'm using the front integrated brake/shifter lever with shifter as a dropper post lever!
Best of both worlds!!Remove your front derailleur and shifter. Get a narrow wide chainring. Leave the granny gear on the crank. Maybe or not get a wider range cassette. Now go ride as hard as you want, when you get to a really hard hill you cant clean, get off, catch your breath! Move chain onto granny. Finish riding up the mountain. Stop at the top and catch your breath, enjoy the view, smell the flowers etc. Put chain back on the ‘big’ chainring. This set up will save you some money and a little weight. It will allow you to try 1X to see if it works for your style WITHOUT breaking your piggy bank. It will also encourage you to push harder up hills and challenge yourself. It will also encourage you to keep your chain CLEAN!!
@coletrick8748
3 жыл бұрын
Ain’t nobody got time for all that. Lol
@rollinrat4850
3 жыл бұрын
@@coletrick8748 Yeah, not enough time to simply get fit and push the pedals harder! Half of my bikes are singlespeeds. Haha, all we really 'need' is one gear. Derailleurs and all that junk compensate for human weakness.
Wow, I never knew why a narrow-wide chain was better. Didn’t know that the wide only fit between the outer plates👊🏻
FINALLY someone explained the purpose of a clutch CLEARLY
*This video is probably the best explanation I’ve seen thus far.*
Great Video... I think you're take on 1x has pushed me over the edge to order the narrow wide ring for my DA9000 cranks.
I'm glad I kept my 3X10 mountain bike. It's super versatile, going up 20% hills on the trails or road touring with large gears and being able to keep close to my best candace. The chain also lasts very long with little crossover. Also, the front gears need little maintenance since for every 20 times I change the back gears, I only change the front once. Sometimes the original ideas are the best. Like my rear rack, with the arrival of bikepacking I never took the rear rack off, it is useful for large or small panniers, a backpack, drybag or just a wind breaker, so useful.
I was thinking of a 1x system... best video that brainstorms the options. Thanks!
I'm thinking back converting my 4-speed Chevy truck to a 1 speed transmission
@janetsers4895
5 жыл бұрын
I'm thinking about converting my 4-speed Chevy truck to a 1 speed transmission
@paulscott1091
4 жыл бұрын
@@janetsers4895 i did that on my 75 ford if you use the transfer case as a front derailer it helps on the clutch smoke and you can breath just realy hard not breaking drive shfts go with 2nd 4th worked ok on road but it sucked trying to get there have fun with that
@niflag
4 жыл бұрын
CVT!
@financialloser
4 жыл бұрын
😂 😆 oss
@SRT_Daevon
3 жыл бұрын
Did you go into the race gear on the highway?
Just learned a ton from this video! Very well put together!
You explained a lot of things about drive trains really well, thank you!
Aha great timing! I was just thinking about how to tinker with my entry level mtb earlier today
Dude, the info you just gave me was super useful, TY.
Such a useful video, contains so much good information about 1x conversions. Many thanks.
Why do you think 1x is an upgrade? I love my 3x.
I also run a 1x10 SRAM X9 on a Scott Spark 35 upgraded from 3x10. I simply replaced the crankset with a SRAM GX one and it works really great.
Excellent video, I learned a lot. thanks man!
Narrow-wide + chain-guide is definitely the way to go. Bonus if you throw on a "wide range" cassette.
Do I have to change my derailleur to covert to 1x? I’m not clear on that.
I'll take all od the 3x cranks that you don't want.
Videos are great! You are very clear and humorous. And a local guy, you are!
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Your in Nova Scotia?
Recently bought a Rocky Mountain Soul 27.5 that was used by a bike mech friend of mine. It has a 11-40t Cassette and 1x 9 30t speed in the front. No front mech, no guide. And haven't dropped the chain once in Shorthill Provincial Park. Rear Mech is Acera M3000 Shadow. So your point on 1x is correct.
Awesome video. For bolted 3xs, how does the spacing work? Do you have to use the middle chain ring? As in, the large and small rings are attached to the spider which is part of the middle ring? I was worried if I tried to do 1x with a bolted 3x I would need to use spacers to keep something like the middle ring aligned correctly, etcetera. Thanks
Thanks for explaining this subject clearly. I’m thinking of doing my commuter a 1 x
i like the thoroughness of this video. answered all my questions. thanks for taking the time.
just love your videos! thanks for this explantion!
You should consider starting an online store, stocking parts that you present and have tested. I, for one, would buy the 5 bolts, 130 BCD chainring, you are using in this video.
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
I actually just kind of do that exact thing but through affiliate links instead. If something is purchased on Amazon through my links, I profit from it! And that way, I don't have to stock anything!
I bought a One Up components oval chain ring for my entry level Norco XC bike. It was 2x9 before, the oval chain ring had been great. Will be pairing it with a Box components prime 9 system
I ride a bike with a 3x8 transmission and I would not change that at all. It has all the range that I need in speed. With the missing larger chainring, you are missing the benefits of the higher speed and you would need at least 11t or 12t on the cassette to achieve the high speeds on the road. On higher ascent grade hills, the granny gear on the crankset would be a great asset so the legs won’t get tired and for slippery dirt terrain, you have more traction control. My next bike if I decided to, it would have multiple chainrings in the front. To have a 1x11 or a 1x12, the chain needs to strain itself by angling it in order to get the biggest gear on the cassette. I would go for a 3x9 or a 3x10 for an upgrade. Peace!
@joeKisonue
Жыл бұрын
They now offer 10 tooth rears. I just upgraded my 9x2 11/26-39/53
@mexxchattaway6719
Жыл бұрын
Just got 2021 rockhopper 1x, imo it is nowhere near as good as my 2011 3x
@deltafour1212
8 ай бұрын
@@mexxchattaway6719 You just saved me money. I thank you.
Dude, awesome content, compelling style, and fun!!! Love the border collie, and that is one huge as_ burrito! Followed!
This was a super informative video! Thanks
1x 10sp on my XC bike, 32t Hope oval chainring, XT derailleur with clutch that I NEVER switch on. No dropped chains, the Hope ring is that good. Where I live we regularly ride 350m hills at over 20% incline, so 32t is a must. Road bike still 2x10sp.
Very useful video! I know it's been a few days but I needed to share, You can use 10s clutch derailleurs with 9 or 8 speed drivetrains as long as you use sram 8/9 speed shifters. I currently have a 10s zee derailleour with an 8spd sram cassette, chain and shifter on my dh bike and works perfect! Cheers
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
I had read this as well, but didn't want to add toooooo much of the fun mix and match stuff in as to not confuse the beginner wrenches too much. Good info!
you can drill out the rivets on the cheaper 3x chain ring works great i have done it alot
@JohnSmith-qv6hp
5 жыл бұрын
That must weaken the remaking ring flexing etc 3rings supported each other for strength
Thanks! You helped me decide not to bother doing this, as I ride my 3 by on the centre ring only and it has integrated brake/shifter levers. Add to that, it's an early 90's Gary Fisher and I like how it's almost original.
Great vid, very informative. I got old sram rival 1x10 on my jamis gravel bike. Yum, giant burrito! Now I’m hungry.
Hey man, I have a 2006 rockhopper. I'd like to up the drivetrain. It has deore lx now with 3x9. Saw a Shimano XT kit 1x11. How would I know if it would fit? The reason I'm contemplating upgrading parts is that newer bikes $$$ but have entry level components. Seems like might as well get the best parts I can afford and build it the way I want it...
How is a 3X to 1X an upgrade? I switched from 3X to 1X and i consider it a side-grade: less choices but more simple and less weight.
You can usualy use a 10 speed derailuer on a 9 speed caset and you can drill out the rivits if you have a stamped crankset if you have an integrated shifter you can just buy a cheap brake leaver.
I'm repairing bike. It has 3x 6x drivetrain and its smeashed i am replacing bottom braket casete cranks everething so i think to replace it with 1x10 or something similar or should i go back with 3x6?
This video is very helpful and detailed
If you have a nine speed get a 10s rear derailleur and just close the limit screws as needed, it usually works
I'm literally about to make the switch to 1x!! I have 20 speed tiagra 4700 for road and it's very flat in Dallas. Great video!
@georgeb.wolffsohn30
4 жыл бұрын
Why 20 speeds if it's so flat ?
@patientswim6888
4 жыл бұрын
@@georgeb.wolffsohn30 so you can always keep your cadence exactly where you want it. It feels incredible! I have tiagra 4700 20 speed on my bike, I plan to convert to 1X too. My front derailleur was playing up and I realised that I almost only use the 34T chainring anyway, I only really need a few faster gears. Going to get an 11-36 cassette with a 38t chainring and hopefully there wont be too many gaps in my cadence
I would like to add clutched derailleur to a 7 speed cassette. Why won’t a 10 speed derailleur work with a 7 speed if I set the Limit screws accordingly? The only problem might be chain width compatibility. Will the 7 speed chain be too wide to work with a 10 speed derailleur? If I change to a 10 speed chain, will that be too narrow for my 7 speed cassette?
Great video dude. Thanks a lot
What’s the clothing you have on? I do a lot of road biking but not sure what clothing is good for the cold.
What cage derailleur do I need to go with for the 1x10 conversion or 1x11 conversion?
I am still struggling to see how a 1-speed chainset is going to be better for me personally, I use the larger 44 chainring on the front a lot, I could easily forgo the granny ring, I rarely use it, if at all, 32/32 is usually low enough
I have a gt Aggressor pro I just got a 40t N/W chainring but I'm keeping the stock 8 gears in the rear for now. Will the stock chain be ok and will I need a chain guide? Ive always kept the front gear on the largest of the three (42T) so I don't see why it wouldn't work. This is the first video I actually learned stuff. I subscribed. Thanks for any input.
Living in flat Forida, as I do, I really don't need the complications in maintenance of my 21 speed MTB. I removed the derailers. I converted the rear deraller to a chain tensioner by removed the spring that displaces the chain laterally. I saw that on another utube clip. While at work, I also replaced the flat handlebar with an elevated stem and a swallow handlebar. Now I can ride my MTB like a Dutch gentleman in Amsterdam, upright and comfortably. The spring seat I bought for less than $20. adds a rear suspension to the front suspension that came with the MTB. Why did I buy a 21 speed MTB in the first place? Because they are much less expensive than other bikes - which I think are terribly overprices by comparison. My MTB cost me less than $100, new, in a box months ago. Now, it costs about $50. more. The MTB has a front suspension and aluminum alloy in the frame. The cruisers, etc., in the bike shops start at $400, are all steel, no suspension at all and single speed!
I have an sram X0 3x10. The crank drive arm has bust so I need to replace the crank and am looking for a 1x but I can only seem to find 11 or 12 speed. Can I get away with keeping all the 10 speed rear and chain onto an 11 speed crank?
The Crux! 1x drivetrains for cheap! AND burritos, and Norton too!... GREAT winter bike video :)
Would you happen to have a guide or know of one that would tell one what their rear hub is capable of upgrading to?
Can I put a 1×10 on back of older Specialized 06 MTB? Came with 3x9. Front shifter sucks. Good bike.
I want to get my sirrus sport from 3x9 to 2x11...what do I need "compatibility-wise" on the rear hub for that?
Dude, you’re a genius- thank you so much!
Interesting video. I'm considering converting an old '92 MTB to a 1X. I been using it as a commuter bike for a long time now. And as you stated, I just put it in the mid front ring and leave it there! I'm not sure if the chainrings are riveted on? It's at my local shop where it's getting a tune up which hasn't been done in decades and am having some more modern bars and shorter stem installed. I will take a closer look when I get it back. My shop said it's not worth converting to 1x and they are probably right. But I'm still curious. I love the Front Deraileur hack! When I get it back, I'll look into that!
I dont know anything about bike...i thinking of buying an ebike....but it only got 9speed...can i replace it with 12 speed??? Or can i remove 3 cogs to fit in 9 speed space..??.thanks
I bought a trek Marloin 6 I want to mtb and urban ride but my gearing sucks riding around town wanted to switch to the 1x it would will used a little more for urban riding any suggestions for the tooth count thank you for you help
If you have an 8 speed cassette and a crankset with a 110 BCD you can use a rennen Design Group Pro BMX chainring. The 8-speed chain fits single speed chain rings nice and snug. Really any single speed chainring with large teeth will work.
Sounds like I can put any size chainring with my cassette, with a preference but not a necessity to have narrow/wide teeth. Man, this allows me to build a 1x that actually covers my needed gear range!
Would i5 be possible to convert my Giant Revel 1 from 3 chain rings to o e like you did in the ghetto hack?
What is the name of that Specialized bike?
I conveted a triple to a 1 x using a narrow wide chain ring. First ride the chain snapped.. not sure why.
Hi, please help me. I have a shifter Shimano Deore SL-M590 and derailleur its Alivio and I want to change derailleur on Tiagra Shimano RD-4601 it will be work correctly ? Than you for reply :)
I have? Where are you located? I have a 3x7 ozone 500 that i want to change to a 1 by im not racing i want to switch the crank set to the hollow IXF will it work
Is the 1x drivetrain and upgrade or a downgrade 🤔🤔😂but i have three 1x bikes one dh mtb one trail mtb and a road bike
You can ride clutch on 9 speed or lower. Tge only need is a converter. Buy one or print one. I ride clutch (rd-m6000) on 3x8 speed and next time on 3x9
Can someone tell me if I can go from 3x10 to 1x12 on my older cube from 2012? How can I check if my wheel is compatible with it?
know this is an older video but you said you liked to tinker and I cant find the answers anywhere so hoping you can help. I want to use dropbar shifters on a 1x10 set up with a 42t chain ring and 11-42t on the back. i have an old 105 shifter (10 speed) so was hoping to find a rear derailleur that could work but it would seem there arent any that work to that max size sprocket with shimano road shifters? is that the case or is that just manufacturer arse covering. Ie can I use a tiagra 10 speed 4700 GS + cable hanger extender to get there? combinded with a deore 11-42t cassette (my understanding is the attenuation on a deore RD wont be compatible with road shifters).
My front gear is 3 speed. On internet it says 104/64 bcd, but What is the middel one. It is a shimano fc ty501. I figured out that the middel one is 138mm but What bcd do i need? A 64bcd or 104bcd?
nice informational video and nice collection of bikes! I have to ask though, why are the bikes so clean looking and the chains look so ruff?
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
Because I clean my bikes but never degrease the chain haha
can you use any spd of chain on any narrow wide chainrings?
Hey I have a trek fx2 (2021) 3x8 ! I used for trails and long distance!! Did u recommend me swap to 1x10? Thanks for all your wisdom
I’ve got a 2015 whyte 801 with 3x9. Will be looking at going 1x10 this year sometime. Probably I’ll buy a mix and match of used and new components.
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
That’s the way I do things too!
@deanr1979
6 жыл бұрын
Spindatt how about changing from 3x to 2x? Shifter has switch to change to 2x. Can I keep same front derailleur? Will be buying a specific 2x chainset (for my sons bike)
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
The current front derailleur will more than likely work. BUT, front derailleur can be had for so crazy cheap, it’s almost worth buying one “just because”
@51249ca
5 жыл бұрын
@@Spindatt Your mountain biking buddies would probably have a front derailleur for free/beer. No way I would pay 25% of retail for a mtn bike front derailleur. Just have to find the right people or shops for the right bargain.
@bobbyhempel1513
5 жыл бұрын
2×10 would be far better.
I hate chainrings; can i use different chainrings together - let's say SRAM 53T and Raceface 34T? or thee other way round?
looking into 1x10 setup with 11-32 and torn between 46 tooth or 48 tooth. Just doing long distance road biking. So I want to keep a good speed up but if I come come across a big hill late into the ride I want to not stuggle. Currently running a single speed with 48x16 . Got any suggestions between 48 tooth and 46 tooth with that cassette ratio?
Thks for the info, lots of help.
hey , just watching and there was chat about riveted front chain ring sets , if have and dont want to spend the $4 for bolted , take a grinder and grind the ones you dont want till round , i have on few doing the small and large leaving the middle and the outer bigger make for a kind of chain guide of bash ring then , cheers
@busoptr
4 жыл бұрын
Smart
Could I not just fit a clutched 10 speed derailleur on my 8 speed ? 😊
My fat bike has a hacked together 1x10 Shimano setup. Very much used to have a 3x on the front that I ran by removing the biggest and smallest chainrings for quite a long time until I finally decided that dropping my chain was getting old and irritating. Narrow wide chainring made a huge difference but I still drop my chain if I crash.
@Spindatt
6 жыл бұрын
same with my bikes. In the event of a crash or bad mistake, I still experience some chain drop. I'm okay with that though
Best cycling video ever. Thorough and accurate explanations, BMX phone game, burrito, and a dog. Ticks every box...
Anybody???..I dont know anything about bike...i thinking of buying an ebike....but it only got 9speed...can i replace it with 12 speed??? Or can i remove 3 cogs to fit in 9 speed space..??.thanks
Think I could go the ghetto path with an 8-speed Alivio groupset and a narrow wide chainring, or too old/not enough spring tension?
@Spindatt
2 жыл бұрын
yes, can be done
I'm going to switch from a 9 by 3 to 1 by, with either 32 or34 n/w chainring, I think it will work OK with Shamano Deore xt derailleur!
@nicksadler9797
4 жыл бұрын
Did it work? I’ve got the deore XT derailleur and want to do the same
@pedronalesso1464
4 жыл бұрын
@@nicksadler9797 with a 32 chainring and a 11 cog your max speed is around 30 km/h. I have a 32 with 11-40 Acera 9s, would recommend 34 with 11-42, it´s a 0.81 ratio a bit hard on steep climbs but doable
Great video bro
MicroShift just dropped a BUDGET 1x9 system with a clutch. It looks pretty good. And, of course, SRAM NX is out there, too.
@mellissanash7517
5 жыл бұрын
How much?
I went with the final option and bought a 1x groupset. We got mad hills around these here parts though so I got me a little 28 tooth ring. It should all be here next week so I'll report back. My only concern is that I won't have enough low-end for when I want to spin up the last stretch of a big climb.
@LemonySnicket-EUC
8 ай бұрын
Still working for you ?
@dirtnastyish
8 ай бұрын
@@LemonySnicket-EUC Yeah I still like it.
Hi, just to confirm with the ghetto 1x conversion I could just remove the non used chainrings from the 3x and rework the front deraulier as a chain device and then I have my self a 1x drivetrain.
@JohnSmith-qv6hp
5 жыл бұрын
Don't give up your day job.
10:54 Yeah for road and gravel bikes maybe, not MTB's. I put a standard CS-M8000 XT 11 speed cassette on my Hope Sport just fine and that hub was made over twenty years ago. When a manufacturer say something like "11 speed compatible" rather than being helpful and reassuring it's usually a way of misleading you into assuming that your old stuff is obsolete.
nice video, i have always been 1x
What do you think about 1x 8
Can you go 1x8 with 34t chainring And 11-36t cogs
I mainly ride my mountain bike on road. So maybe that’s why I’m okay with a 3x8. Lol I feel I’m the only one who likes it. This was a cool vid.
@jvac1129
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not changing mine. I have 3x9. I ride mostly in the city.
*Gratuitous Burrito footage* ...Norton might have been a little jealous.
Any thoughts about the sunrace 11speed gear set?
great video !
See that’s what I was told you finally got to it, that I would need to change rear derail,cassette and all that.......
Best part of a !X setup?? Hearing the thud as your front derailleur hits the bottom of the trash can......😁😁😁😁😁😁
I think my conversation on my beater bike was the most ghetto. I couldn’t fine a crank puller that would work on my shitty suntour cranks so i just hack sawed the chainrings off and then just slid the new nock off raceface narrow wide one on.