I never get tired of listening to these guys, keep up the GREAT stories.

Apache kid is my ancestor through clan. Eskiminzin is also my ancestor through clan before he married into the Aravaipa Apaches and became chief. I’m proud of my ancestors and have been looking into my heritage as well the old traditions that have been lost to time. Hopefully one day, many people will turn back to our traditional teachings..

@jquest43

3 жыл бұрын

Who were the people before your people? The ones whose land you took?

@ApacheKidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@jquest43 Well traditionally, you know how legends go we were here since the beginning... Logically it is hard to tell. All Apaches/Navajo came from Canada and were one people at one point. That was until the Navajo went South to the 4 corners region. That’s where us Apaches split from there. The Western Apache I believe after the split moved to the White Mountain area and Cibeque later becoming the White Mountain Apache Tribe. The last moved would be when the last of the Apaches moved south a little more into San Carlos and the Pinal Region. At the time of the move, I don’t believe there was anyone around our specific area. Especially after all the other Indians already were South including areas such as Mexico and below. Judging from ruins that are around, it looks like there used to be some Pueblo people that lived in this area. It’s hard to tell when though as all that is left are foundations and little to no walls. I believe these could be the ruins of the great Hohokam people or maybe even the Mogollón people. The reason I believe these ruins we’re vacant at the time is because there is no where in our own history about going to war with the Pueblo people at any point unless it was so long ago that it was forgotten. This is the story/truth of the Western Apache. There may be pieces I am missing but this is what took place before. We are in no relation to the Chiricahua, Mescalero, Jicarilla or Lipan Apaches. The Chiricahua used to call us Western Apaches as “The wild ones”.

@jquest43

3 жыл бұрын

@@ApacheKidd thanks for responding..much respect to the Apache people

@ApacheKidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@jquest43 Of course, happy to share some info! Thank you

@chicanobluesaz4191

2 жыл бұрын

@@ApacheKidd badass!!!

Boy that Apache kid was quite the guy,he maintained his integrity through aome of the most harrowing circumstances .you sparked a renewed understanding for me, to learn more .

My great great great Uncle was the one to come upon the seen after the escape. He helped the the surviving officer/s and I think one inmate who was later pardoned for his help. His name was Andronico Lorona. He was a rancher in the area. My family has an extremely long history here in Central AZ back to the mid 1800s.

@chrislouden7329

Жыл бұрын

Al Sieber was a horrible habitual lier who screwed his scouts over stealing their money, horses and guns and horses.He perjured himself to get Apache kid into prisoy

@tylermoulton7294

Жыл бұрын

Crazy ❤

@tomschmidt9923

4 ай бұрын

Super cool.

@user-lv7qn4gw3g

4 ай бұрын

That Apache Kid photo has a real Christopher Walken vibe to it.

An example of how easily and quickly Authentic History can be lost. Great Job, Me Jack!

Great example of spoken history. This style has been used by many different cultures for thousands of years. It's a gift.

Once again...the best SW story teller! And to think he visited that cave! And ask the old Indian exactly where the escape of the Apache kid occurred! What a great piece of history, thank you sir! The true American spirit: you the storyteller AND the Apache kid!

I live in Alabama, but I was in Arizona in sept and I went to this cave. I wish I knew more about the history. I did a youtube video on it. But I was calling it the Wave cave.. Thanks for the video.

This man could probably tell stories for days and not repeat himself. Thankyou for these gifts of history.. all the stories not told too..they’ll be lost when these old timers pass on.

@Authenictruthoid

4 жыл бұрын

You are so correct. That's why I listen to what old people have to say ! I would be here today if I didn't . They should do one on the real truth about Mazon Creek Area history before I die.

@AFloridaSon

4 жыл бұрын

More people should get stories from people with so many years of knowledge. You never know what story a person may have hiding inside, just waiting for someone to listen. I wish that I had asked my parents, and grandparents more questions.

@markcantemail8018

4 жыл бұрын

A Florida Sun , Yep . My Grand Mother if she was alive would be 118 years old . I asked some questions before she went down hill and received Candid answers . She was a Telegraph operator at one time . We had a cake tin in the attic and I brought it down one day . Later on that day on the clothes line was a Womans Scalp airing in the Sun ? Long Red Hair, when I asked I was told . She had to cut her long hair off before she worked that Telegraph Job . If someone stood at her grave I could see it If I was standing where Louise Brooks is Buried . Yes many stories are lost now . Great Video .

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

4 жыл бұрын

A Florida Son me also

@AFloridaSon

4 жыл бұрын

@@markcantemail8018 I admit that I had to look up who Louise Brooks was. And although her glamour days were in black and white, she had a very colorful personality. I've probably seen her in movies, because I enjoy those old black and white movies, but I've seen a lot of them, so I don't remember all of the names. On a more personal note; one of my aunts was staying in my grandparents home after they passed. My aunt cleaned out the attic and threw away decades of forgotten memories. Another relative just happened to pop in, and managed to pull some stuff out of the dumpster, but most of it was already gone.

I would have loved to hike in the superstitions with you because of all the knowledge you have. I love to hike and my friends and I have hiked almost every trail on the west end of the supers. And some on the East end like circle stone. Such a beautiful and majestic place.

This gentleman is so interesting . He is a live history book and we are privileged to be able to listen to him. Thank you for this great video. 👍🏻🇨🇦

@debralucas2224

4 жыл бұрын

I'm watching from Australia... Fascinating history lesson... I've heard of Billy the kid but never the Apache kid..

@lizziesangi1602

4 жыл бұрын

@ Mimi V EXcellent comment👍

@isaiahdante7362

3 жыл бұрын

I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know a way to get back into an Instagram account?? I was stupid lost my account password. I love any help you can give me!

@kendallaugustine13

3 жыл бұрын

@Isaiah Dante instablaster ;)

@isaiahdante7362

3 жыл бұрын

@Kendall Augustine thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Looks like it's gonna take a while so I will reply here later with my results.

In my opinion, it is difficult to get better stories, than true history from entertaining real tellers of real history and sharing their personal experiences as Dutch Hunters themselves. Jack, Hank, Larry, Clay, Ron and Charlie are very good at story telling. Condolences to Charlie LaSueurs' family and friends. I had two hammered hips and two hammered knees, recovering from replacement surgery at this time, when the other side is replaced I plan to see the museum in a January, I hope. Can Jack still ride a horse or mule? Thanks to all of you.

Another great story told by the pros. Thanks men ,I hope these stories never end.

This story was great I give it a 10 out of 10. We need more cool stories like this in the world

@jacksanfelice8840

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks I love that area and found that old cave , in 1890s papers. largest one in Superstitions I know of. Not an bad hike either and you can see for miles as the Kid could and if he saw dust he got out of there quick. Jack

I'm always so happy to listen to your tales. Thank You.

@franciskeogh5027

4 жыл бұрын

Very Good

What an inspiring story for aother book, what fun to explore these places and most of all, thank you for keeping Mysteries of the Superstition Mountains show alive for us and for the sake of Charlie.Great job!

Makes me miss living in Arizona even more!

I could listen to this cat all day

Thanks Hank and Jack and all! Commenting in support of a great channel!

This is just good stuff! I'm older, and I've stomped all over this country, and loved it all. My knees, hips, back, etc complains now that I'm a senior, but I'm happy, and feel sorry for the younger generations that are "gamers", and have no idea what it's like to stand on top of a mountain, and see for 50 miles! America is a beautiful place, and most folks have never seen it because they can't text their pals with no cell towers. Shame.

@mikehagan4320

4 жыл бұрын

I'm an older hiker as well. The Satisfaction with achieving a hike to the top of a Mountain and taking a Rest on the top of the world is irreplaceable. And many times I never made it to the top the first or second or third time. But I continued to hike and I would eventually have success. Best wishes and Continued Hiking! M.H.

@princeamongmen7064

4 жыл бұрын

They literally start to feel ill when they stray out of WiFi area’s! I live in Scotland which also offers magnificent scenery although I love many things about your amazing country but the land itself is what captures my imagination the vastness never fails to impress! Respect to you Sir...🤠

@mikequyl8754

3 жыл бұрын

Very true been there Awsome place

@jquest43

3 жыл бұрын

@@princeamongmen7064 there's an app for that

@rvtech101

Жыл бұрын

58 years old with a pacemaker, still out hiking with my adult boys! All 3 of us love hiking the Sups every chance we get!

I look forward to y’all’s videos, they are so amazing! Thank you all

Subbed I love this fellow and could listen to his stories all night long in fact I think I will🤠

that jack is a great storyteller

All I ever heard was one little bit of the Apache Kid, thank yall excellent as always.

Always enjoy the stories. I look forward to new videos

😊 Please keep these stories comin'. Wooo weee! This story was one of the best!

thank you for all the history that you share ,this is an amazing channel ,please tell more.

My great grand dad told stories about the old days one was about an old prospector came into town leading his mule .a drunk cow boy stagered out of the saloon and said say old man have you heard of the 6 gun shuffle no said the old man , the kid pulled out his 6 gun and started shooting at his feet ,the kid emptied hisgun and started stagering back toward the saloon. The old man pulled his double barreled shot gun and cocked the hammers, the cowboy froze the old man said say son have you ever played kiss the mules ass .the cowboy said no sir but i always wanted to

@garyj2101

3 жыл бұрын

LOL🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

Great story. Thanks for keeping the channel alive!

@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793

4 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Ward thanks for the support

@jeremyward493

4 жыл бұрын

@@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793 We all miss Charlie, but I'm sure he's happy these great stories continue to be shared. Thanks.

Just discovered your videos. FANTASTIC!!! Hank, you are one hell of a story teller. Love the history, and the mystery of the Superstitions. Keep them coming. I’ve been watching these one after another since I found these this morning.

Dang! This was just AWESOME. That cowboy had such a way with words. I could see the entire story in my minds eye. Seems like there's many spot's named "Three Sisters Mountain". Thanks for sharing I much enjoyed the telling.

@georgemarinez7650

2 жыл бұрын

Let's go Brandon !

Gentleman, Thank You, All - Hank Sheffer, Larry Hedrick, Jack San Felice - Charlie would be Very Proud - God Bless...

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

4 жыл бұрын

David Phillips yes he’d be pleased

Always a treat to hear from you guys . 😉

Another fantastic tale brilliantly brought to life.

Great story love to here stories of the old west.

My grandpa was last to be told of gold hidden by Apache kid. My dad & brother attempted to find it years ago but it was too rough on horseback. A place known only by one or two. The gold was taken during a raid on a supply wagon. It’s still there. $$$

I've been there a time or two....didn't know the history. Very interesting

Please keep up the stories. Love them.

Fasinating...absolutely fascinating....

WoW, that was a really nice story, especially since the "Kid" never got caught!

Awesome history, great videos!

Love to hear the stories of the Superstition Mountains.

My mother was raised in Pacheco, Mexico near the Pratt Ranch where The Kid and his two wives killed Mrs. Pratt...The two children hid in a chicken coop and were not found...The women stoned Mrs. Pratt to death while she was sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch of the home...One Kid story that can be verified

@adoxartist1258

4 жыл бұрын

I'm curious: Who was Mrs Pratt to them and why did they murder her so brutally? Seems like she couldn't have been much of a threat at that moment, sitting in her rocking chair. Also, the story teller said the kid would go get 2 women from time to time. What happened to the former 2 that he needed to replace them?

@kitclawson

4 жыл бұрын

@@adoxartist1258...The Pratt Ranch was out of town and isolated, but on the main road so was easy to get to...The Kid would pass by as he went out of town...As I remember, the Kid had four women with him at this time...The family that lived there were the Thompson's...Mrs. Thompson fought with the women hand to hand for some time then sat in the chair in defiance...Probably thinking she would show she wouldn't fight them any longer...(They must have showed aggression to her or threat in some way)...But, it didn't work out that way for her...After hitting her on the head with rocks they dumped all of the sacks of flour, sugar wheat to get the sacks to haul off larger items they could use...I'm sure you can find more on the Kid from journals written by the Colonists in that area on line

@adoxartist1258

4 жыл бұрын

@@kitclawson Wow! Thanks for answering. Life for those people sounds both terrifying and fascinating!

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

4 жыл бұрын

Kit Clawson what an awful story.. that poor family destroyed by evil greedy people

@waltersobchak4565

4 жыл бұрын

@@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934 kind of like the countless Native families slaughtered, who that old lady benefitted from to have her ranch.

I spent quite a bit of time in those beautiful mountains in the early 60s wish I had met Jack also Ron Feldman.These are living legends on the history of the area .I used go down and drink coffee with Al Morrow,who was also a good storyteller.

GREAT STORY TELLING! thanks much pard.

Very interesting story WOW I wonder if there's more to the story Thank You very much keep up the good work 😊👍🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

I like reading and listening to historical wild west stories. There was one story where Billy the Kid crossed paths with the Apache Kid at a New Mexico town but only looked at each other probably knowing who the other person was. I did hear Billy the Kid wasn't killed by Sheriff Pat Garrett but actually lived near Ramah NM with a lady after the Ft. Sumner incident then moved to Prescott AZ after that. That's what I heard.

Excellent story !!!!

Did we ever finish just one story completely?.. loved it anyway!

Many many stories on that Mountain range....I read another tale , years ago....the thought then was the Dutchman’s mine, or one of them was in the Four Peaks Mountains, and the logic for it being true. Floods stopping the Dutchman’s ability to get into the Superstitions and back to the flatland cabin with some gold in an allotted timeframe..... sounded possible. Thanks again for your stories

Thank you for your living history! It is all so fascinating - subscribed!

Was nice to see this I grew up on the foot hills of superstition mountain proper

@aleisterlowenstein9526

3 жыл бұрын

Straight out of a.j.....

Wow, thanks for that. Very interesting!

Fascinating. Thanks

Good stuff, guys! Very interesting.

I Love these stories.

Good video, glad I found this.

My Dad took me there in the early 1980s, he said he found a atlatl point there back in the 1950s.

My father in law is from an old cattle family. He said the brothers used to steal each others cattle. The running iron is a sure sign of crooks. Lol

Thanks again friend.

This interview, I hope, needs to be written down. Oral history. So much lost over time.

@bradbutcher3984

4 жыл бұрын

So, write it down. Not trying to be mean. Don't rely on others if you feel that way.

@bradbutcher3984

4 жыл бұрын

I have notebooks full of things I write down from videos and documentaries.

Good stuff....

So enjoyable, thank you!

Awesome video. Our old History should never be forgotten. The Apache would use the caps and cross the tops of the mountains In certain areas caves honed out as shelters there is far more there, Than we know ,there's an old Randolf Scott movie Machennahs Gold . My Grandmother was Apache and Choctaw,stories passed down,the gold is real What a treasure trove waiting to be found ,Indian lances bows and arrows inside cave collapses. Let's hunt and Metal detect it's time for the old ways to make a come back with new tech , drone GPR ground penetrating radar , fly overs night time thermal signature as well . for seeing what dwells in the unseen . Reading the mountains and what's beneath now that is another video for Y'all to make .

I'd like to go out there and check it out. Very Interesting. Thanks

I would love to see the way he took in rather than the way everyone else goes up there. I want to check out the Apache kids cave

In 1999 when I was 17, I jumped on a Greyhound bus with $50 and moved to Miami/Globe AZ from Western NY. Wish I had known of this cave back then...

@aleisterlowenstein9526

3 жыл бұрын

That's a serious change all around. Love that area , Miami is fading .

Thankyou!

Very cool learning about to the Sups...

tiswin - mostly fermented corn grits , recipe at " Indian Fighting Army " and " Apache Land " old published books

Rich in history are real and old stories! Thank you! People hiding out in a wilderness are very careful of fires! 1st they can be seen. 2nd one can smell most fires. Just saying.

He is better than a book

One of the prisoners was a Mexican who also escaped and was never heard from again

Brilliant you can’t leave your food source for very long

Larry, what badge is that on your wall?

Good job

The apache kid was the best

I have some paydirt from there. Love the stories

Many caves and ancient sites where people lived before the Native Americans. Many stone carvings and relics to be found if you know where to go.

Line of sight is a very hard climb. Need to take a walk weith you sometime and take some pictures and learn a little while I do.

@kathyinwonderlandl.a.8934

4 жыл бұрын

John Day fun!

Great story.

Thank you that was interesting!

I first learned about the Apache Kid when I was just a child in the stories and history told by elders. Haskay-bay-nay-ntayl, (later known as “the kid” or “Apache Kid”) was once one of the most hated/feared people by the tribes of American Indians still living on ancestral land at that time. Haskay was not only working for their greatest enemy, but he was also believed to have supernatural skills and abilities even while still extremely young (aka: excellent tracking skills, his amazing sight, his ability to “ghost”, etc). Once he escaped captivity though he then had the unenviable fate of *also* being hated and feared by both sides Ultimately though, he had the last laugh on his “rescuers” and he went on to live for many, many years as a fierce warrior for the people and one of the most dangerous and feared enemies of those he once served. The exact circumstances of his death aren’t known, although there were many who claimed to have killed him, none of them were ever actually proven to be true. The one thing that has always stood out to me is how so much of the Apache kid’s story is dependent on which side you look at this from; to the non-natives, Haskay was “rescued” from captivity. But if you stop to consider just how much heavy lifting that word has to do in cases like this, it’s almost laughable that it could ever have been classified as a rescue. Contrary to what some would have us believe, North American Indians did NOT kill or enslave children taken during raids on other tribes. Most often they either held them for ransom and released them back to their family or else they were adopted given to raise by a family within their new tribe. Children were rarely ever treated badly, and young children especially were never treated as “slaves”, beaten, starved, etc. It wasn’t until after Haskay was “saved from captivity” that his survival suddenly became tenuous at best. So many of these “rescued” children lived lives that were short, brutal and pretty much absolute hell; to their “rescuers”, they had little to no value. Unlike their original captors, these so-called “rescued children” were all too often starved, beaten, r/sa’d, sold into ACTUAL slavery, trafficked, you name it. The real, (possibly unpalatable truth) is that Haskay and so many others were far better off before their “rescue” than they were after.

You forgot there was one Mexican prisoner who was with the kid who was later pardoned

Now there is a well used designated trail to the wave cave. I see where the Apache Kid was buried in the Black Range, New Mexico..

looks like a wave too me

We don't call ourselves Apache

So who's brand was being changed

I was asked to remove this

@bahda4831

4 жыл бұрын

Respect ..Miigwetch

@Crtnmn

4 жыл бұрын

One...oneness....omnipresent....brothers...all flesh is my flesh...all things are created, beautiful and good. This is what my Father, Christ Jesus has taught me. Thank you for sharing. Appreciate you.

@jquest43

3 жыл бұрын

@@Crtnmn in Christianity your father is Jehovah God..Jesus is your king and savior,the Son of God..you commit idolatry by your comment.( In Christianity)

@Crtnmn

3 жыл бұрын

@@jquest43 Jesus Christ is the Father...you need to read the word.

@Crtnmn

3 жыл бұрын

@@jquest43 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 14.9

i thought a running iron was used to brand unbranded cattle on the range. A cinch ring was often used to alter cattle brands that were already branded .

De-weaponized ? Disarm. Quite a bit of fertilizer mixed in.

Why not a new filmmaker title for "Apache Kid" We will like to watch the based a story.

Two women at a time Some man

Apache Kid must have had some Eagle in him!!! Flight Risk

" there's a Snake in my boots."

Who is the plump short white guy in the photo dressed so ornately?

What proof do you have it e his cave

They did injustice to the apache kid just wrong no justice just because ....you know there story .

bronco apache ?

Send me a map !