4:30 844: “Now you see me, Now you don’t!”

@Gabethenwr77

Жыл бұрын

Lol true

Feel the mighty roar of the 844s whistle

and this is why they put tires on the driver wheels, it is far easier to change those out then recast new wheels and re machine due to wear, its the big 5 or so inch band of steel around the outside of the drive wheels, if you never seen how they change them out its pretty neat they are heat fitted, and changing them involves fire and hammering, heh.

It must have been excruciating to see her get shoved like that. 😭They should at least have one crew member in the cab of the diesel engine if they use one so that they can stop it manually. That way, 844 doesn't get damaged by a technical failure.

Beautiful locomotive. I got a private steamshop tour 2 years ago. I saw 844,3985,dda40x,f-units, rotary snowplow, and much more. The steam crew was so nice. UP is the best.

While I hate to 'like' the video for what happened, you did a great job explaining everything. The UP crew does an outstanding job and I know they'll get her done right. Still can't believe a braking issue like this would happen - never heard of it before.

Hooray! @7:55 - I've finally twigged to what the flickering light source is/was. I'd seen it several times in videos about 844. Of course, oil-fired, those are the burner flames.

Oh my God! I was in 2nd grade at the time, big fan of #844 and still am, God, wish I knew about the time! Never knew 844 came through Texas!! I only lived an hour away from Mt. Pleasant, now I live 6 hours away.

Excellent video...thank you!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong but the diesel is only there for when something goes wrong. The grade is essentially flat and they're braking for the next stop so the diesel is not going to be required. Someones not telling us everything.

I love 844 she’s my favorite out of the three i love 4014 and 3985

That train passed my house on part of the 2 miles it took to stop...I was sitting outside watching the smoke over the trees wondering wtf.

to answer the question of the rail fan in the video yes they have used #844 to pull a train with out a diesel before it was back in 2010 for the Colorado Centennial and the Portland Rose Centennial. the Portland Rose is what sent the Columbine dome car to the drop table and is the same reason why #844 is telling MOPAC to hit the road a rookie diving the diesel and not knowing how to use the dynamic breaks and the cause is always the same Flat Spots that's why they don't let rookies drive.

great video and the locomotive was sounding great on this trip! sometimes her whistle gets out of tune lol

844 is equipped with a diesel control stand in the cab where the engineer on 844 can control the diesels behind him eliminating the need for a second engineer. When Ed tried to stop, the diesels did not respond. The only way to get the diesels to stop pushing was to bail off of 844 and get on the diesels, but they were moving too fast to make that attempt. they did everything possible to get the diesels stopped. It was the same problem they had with the RCS units of the early 70s. When the engineer tried to slow the train, the RCS units would not respond and he would have to dynamite the train to get them to stop pushing. The slaves would not get the signals to slow down up in the mountains. This resulted in two nasty wrecks when the trains buckled in the middle. Today, the technology is much improved and they are called DPUs but it is still Loco-Trol. Today a DPU can be controlled independently of the lead units if necessary. The head end can be put into DB while the DPU is in run 4. they do this when cresting a hill and they need to keep the train bunched up to prevent a run in.

@hughvane

8 жыл бұрын

+Wasatch Range Railway In the movies I watched in my youth, the hero would have run back along the tops of the trailing cars to get to the diesel, whereupon he would have found the throttle lever stuck wide open, so with superhuman strength, and with teeth gritted, he would have yanked the power cable from generator to traction motors off with his bare hands, ignoring the 600 v coursing through his body.

@wasatchrangerailway6921

8 жыл бұрын

been there done that

@KSSilenceAU

8 жыл бұрын

+Wasatch Range Railway Arnt Remote loco's supposed to stop loading if there is a reduction in Brake pipe pressure? im pretty sure with loco-trol they are in case the train is in tunnels or some other issue causes loss of radio contact to the remote units, afaik the Engineer would make a BP reduction and the remote units would sense this and stop producing motive power. I wonder why that didnt work this time? I guess nextime they will leave someone in one of the diesel locos just in case.

@wasatchrangerailway6921

8 жыл бұрын

the only time a diesel will throttle down to the idle position is in an EMERGENCY brake application. Simply reducing brake pipe pressure will not cause a diesel to return to idle. I hope that helps.

@chrisgrant7026

7 жыл бұрын

What is meant by "...dynamite the train..."? Sounds drastic.

These days, we know that 844 has a control panel in the cab that commands the actions of any helper diesel. Perhaps this was not the case when this incident occurred?

I was told By the Engineer & Crew of the 844 ( in no uncertain terms ) the Diesel was for braking and was NEVER @ Throttle. In her Ascent of the Sierra's a few years back, that ol' Girl made it look easy. So I asked in Colfax, yeah they were insulted.

Love to hear the echoes of that old steam whistle!!

R.I.P 844 Driver wheels

Nice video dude

This is why I *HATE* to see diesels attached to steamies. The steamers can do their own work, Dammit!

@evanlocke6308

8 жыл бұрын

+Satchel Hogan Yeah. Until the steamer takes a shit and ties up a main for who knows how long. While the foamers may piss and moan about a diesel with there oh so precious steamer, the RR's are looking at all the possibilities. Be thankful these things are even around! UP could've said to hell with it and scrapped them all.

@TheSonic10160

7 жыл бұрын

Tell me, how exactly can a steam locomotive 'take a shit'. They don't break unless your fireman's an idiot or someone forgot to oil something.

@wolfen216

7 жыл бұрын

on her trip into KC 6 years ago, got a seized bearing and was 2 hours late with the diesel doing most of the work to shove her into town. They had to completely remove the right side rod's to replace the bearing. No diesel, she would have tied up a very busy main line for at least 2-3 hours. www.chasingsteel.com/blog/2010/4/7/union-pacifics-no-844-suffers-a-seized-bearing.html

@renegadeoflife87

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, there's plenty that can go wrong. Unlike a diesel though, the problems don't necessarily stop the right right away- they can usually tough it out enough to limp onto a service track and wait for help to arrive. If 844 ever had both injectors stop working, they would have precious little time to dump the fire or risk a deadly explosion.

@spadesofpaintstudios1719

7 жыл бұрын

Satchel Hogan ikr that is a powerful engine

A Beautiful Train. She has it all.

Well that helper didnt help much did it?

Up 844 blows it's currently whistle

this was on my 10th b day and i love 844! :D

It might seem an ugly old black smoke belcher to some, but it's a work of art to me. I can't believe they actually work that train. Usually steam trains are rebuilt and used for show. That says a lot for this old girl! Wonderful! The day they have to retire this beast will be a damn sad day for America. A piece of American history will be lost. Literally, an old (WWII) war horse! Thanks for sharing your video!

@Jeebuus

6 жыл бұрын

That'll be a sad day, but at least it's made it this far never being retired and all.

@FutureRailProductions

6 жыл бұрын

Saint Steven I don't think she'll ever be retired. Down for an overhaul yes but permanently retired I don't think so. If they take good care of her she could run up to a hundred years. That's only 26 years from now. She was finished being built on December 24th, 1944. I think it's safe to say she'll be running for many more years to come.

@algrayson8965

5 жыл бұрын

A steam locomotive never has to be retired. If maintenance is kept up with and broken or worn out parts rebuilt or replaces as needed there is no reason but interest and money. It's already obsolete and has been for over half a century, so that's no reason to retire it. Back when these were in regular use they would have new boilers made, driver tires refinished and replaced, bearings replaced, piping replaced, etc. The cast steel underframe should never wear out. Cylinders can be relined. Broken and worn places welded and built up, remachined.

@cellogirl11rw55

5 жыл бұрын

How could anyone call her ugly?! 😭😭😭😭

Great Video ! BTW

Up 844 & 4014 doubleheading to texas

Regardless of the failure mode of the MU controller, an emergency application would trip the PCS on the diesel and bring it to idle, as well as apply sand. This of course would have locked the 844's drivers anyway, but would probably shortened the length of the slide.

@lewisandrews8524

7 жыл бұрын

It's my understanding that the PCS cutout didn't work due to a bad pressure sensor. The brakes came on, but the PCS didn't drop the locomotive to idle.

I have been a driver ( US = Engineer ) for over 30 years. Your description makes no sense. How could the diesel keep pushing. It either has a crew on board or 844 has a control stand for it ( we had that set up on a steam locomotive down here to save having a second crew ). Either the diesel gets shut off or shut down. And 2 miles.....that is seriously out of control. I smell a monumental fuck up and cover story. This sounds more like somebody didn't turn a brake tap and 844 was the only brake.

@stephenhunter70

6 жыл бұрын

And or as a result the only way they had of controlling the "train" brakes was through the diesel. I can only imagine what would result if they tried that coming down cave hill into Lilydale

@herdingcats3850

6 жыл бұрын

You're the RR man, but I was thinkin' the same thing.

@Texassince1836

6 жыл бұрын

Whatever it was I was there, they finally brought it to a stop 100 yards from my house

@trainsbangsandautomobiles824

3 жыл бұрын

Very possible. Few weeks before this happened, Ed ran 844 into the yellow boxcar they used and destroyed it. It too was kept hush hush

@johnmichaels2495

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect it was a control system failure. Ideally the control system for something this large will always "fail safe". From what it sounds like, it did not fail safely.

What bugs are yet to be resolved in the MU Controller firmware, as of December 2012? A max brake command misinterpreted as full boost would be a serious problem for other roads besides the UP.

Nice video quality

Slid for 2 miles? Ouch!

normally the 844 is the only power to the rails, the diesel(s) is for dynamic braking and electrical power?

I live very close to Mount Pleasant!

I guess this is why they manned the diesels on 4014’s tour this year

Hervorragendes Video TOP*****

I live 13 miles next to Mount Pleasant!!

Up 844 going to texas 16-19 april 2012

the ditchlights are broken and the 844 crew needed to brake early to have the train stop trains need a long distance to stop youi know

they can dynamic breaks take power from the traction motors to stop a train (the polarity is reversed) heat is disapated as the resalt. dynamic break failure happens when the traction motors burn out because of overload. if you see the sides of MOPAC at 3:23 you will see oil burns the cause of this is there is a bad traction motor under the oil. in order to stop the tracion moters are turned on to lower the speed to 15 (yard speed) and the air is applied this did not happen here.

That was the 100 year MARK of the R M S TITANIC UNION PACIFIC 844 THAT same day that was cool too some problems eh

Having worked for UP and been on several specials, I can tell you first hand. When these roll on to your subdivision, assholes immediately pucker. Managers go into douche bag mode and slow orders magically fix themselves. It's not all fun and games for the crews running ahead or behind these old gems. There will always be problems, big or small, somewhere along the way. Railfans losing their minds just to get a glimpse while crews are saying hurry up and get it off the sub so it's someone else's problem.

Up 844 pulls 2 tenders auxiliars

Do dynamic brakes fail (besides this one of course)? Can't say I've heard of that happening in the 30+ years I've been a railfan.

didnt they know they were sliding? kinda hard not to notice that from inside

So the two crews didn't have radio communications???? Seems like some of the story is missing. c And if the diesel was stuck on full throttle, they should've hit the emergency fuel cutoff to shut it down.

@MrBugsier5

6 жыл бұрын

that would not work in a case of Runaway, where the engine runs on lube oil...

Bring back her Overland livery!

they have a diesel loco for - emergencies - but it is being controlled from the 844s cab? every fil mso far that i have seen there was a driver also in the diesel loco. isnt that supposed to be so?

mi-a placut!

what happend to UP 1982'S DitchLight

You are so true about that. I know I was a former hogger for the stUPid. That would fire you on the spot for something like this had it been another train and crew.

Up 844 & 1982

Did they check the brake pads?

Why did 1982 have one list on?

3:23 MOPAC is getting set out because the dynamic breaks failed #844 will head on alone to Hearne and Davidson Yard for repairs

Do you have video of the slide?

Up 844 MT plesant tx

Ed Dickens was the engineer that day so somebody should ask him

"Skilled crew"? The story I heard was that the engineer messed up when reacting to the the diesel failure.

@josephyoungblood4163

8 жыл бұрын

the thing I find extremely funny was for the two miles the 844s drivers were locked up and sliding. that causes severe flat spots on the drivers. the point I'm getting at is who thought it was a smart idea to lock up the drivers and slide instead of controlling the brakes so they don't lock up while trying to control the diesel. don't get me wrong. that would cause a lot less damage to replace brake shoes than replacing the tires on the drivers

Usually in europe whatever a single locomotive is used or a multiple traction is needed, when you apply for e-brake any locomotives goes into idle and cuts off the traction. So my question is, how could the diesel keep pushing if e-brake was applied? They were lucky they didn't killed someone..

I'm surprised for public safety reasons there doesn't have to be a crew in the diesel as well, rather than just remote control. Maybe procedure will be changed after this incident. Shame to damage a great and precious engine through this kind of failure.

@karlrovey

5 жыл бұрын

Then you would have to apply that to regular multi-diesel operations as well. This is just as likely to happen there too.

OMG You can't get the flats off the driving wheels like that.

Wot are the orange flashes above the rear pony wheels?

@mesaman3000

Жыл бұрын

Fire coming out of the bottom of the firebox!!

I bet someone got some time in the street on this

@llanamejia

7 жыл бұрын

flbmxdad Hopefully and deservedly

I am confused. What caused the break down? The steamer, or the diesel?

@kimjongun4301

10 жыл бұрын

Cockroach And you were an accident.

@squach6239

7 жыл бұрын

Prince Noah Diesel didn't respond to remote control activation.

@MrBugsier5

6 жыл бұрын

@Prince Noah ,the modern made electronic crap on the diesel.... lol (yeah , really! lol)

Ha ha, the camera lens got "steamed up".

Wow! Why were 844's wheels not kept turning SLOWLY? This would have slowed the train far better than stopping the wheels and would have prevented damaging the wheels.Was there no way to physically get to the engines to put them into idle?

@renegadeoflife87

7 жыл бұрын

It probably took too long to get a crew member who knew how to stop the diesel to get to it and turn it off after the DMU failed. Though it would have made more sense to me to back off the 844's brakes enough to avoid skidding, or at least put enough steam on to accomplish the same, that way the damage would have only been to the brakes- which are designed to wear for a long time anyway. In the excitement of the moment there probably wasn't time to try anything of that nature, they just sent someone to stop the train as quickly as they could.

@robertgift

7 жыл бұрын

renegadeoflife87 They could have had 844 slowly rotate in reverse and prevent flat spots. That way they are not having 844 also pull the train forward. Don't these people THINK?

@southwestvirginiarailfan729

7 жыл бұрын

+renegadeoflife87 Usually there is a crew in the trailing diesel that knows how to operate it. That's what Norfolk Southern does when steam runs on its tracks if a diesel is required. I don't know if Union Pacific does that or not.

@ZeldaTheSwordsman

7 жыл бұрын

Who's to say they didn't? This is a video of the aftermath, not of the stop itself. From the sound of it, the diesel's controls were malfunctioning.

@robertgift

7 жыл бұрын

ZeldaTheSwordsman Had they kept 844's wheels *slowly turning* or made 844's wheels slowly *turn in reverse*, they would not have incurred such flat spots.

@6:08 thats 75 yards from my house through the woods

UP swept it under the rug...had it been any other train, the crew would have been fired!

Why he is using Two water tenders? He beber used before

@mesaman3000

3 жыл бұрын

This is a common practice now with the mainline steam. Both (I believe) are filled with oil for burning, and water for steam. Since there are virtually no water and fuel stops for steam engines anymore; they carry as much as possible to keep from running out.

@joaoricardoaraujogranzoto3050

3 жыл бұрын

@@mesaman3000 oooo, like 3985, 3985 and big boy they are aways with two tenders

LOL I am also a railfan I can tell when a train has problems by what is being shown

Just hale in the heack does that happen i could see 6 maybe7 feet thats an error 2miles is um like i dent mean to shot him it was an accident.....cop says but 7 times .

nice the 844 middletown,ohio.

Grinding off flat spots? I doubt it. More like in "timeout" mode while people were getting piss-tested and all kind of fun stuff like that was going on.

So, there is nobody in the diesel helper? It would seem to me at least one engineer in the diesel would be common sense. Then a simple radio call would have avoided all the trouble.

How on eart can this happen?? no communication????? strange story...... looks like a fuck up!

2:20

1:12

Oh man I wish I was there to see it even though I live in Texas my name is Texas Mike Steam account is Texas my KZread account is Texas strange isn't it cuz my real name is Texas

Shoot the air, bale off the engine brake.

INSTEAD OF ADDING A DIESEL MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE A GENERATOR CAR THINK UP!

"...behind her kept pushing and it took the skilled crew 2 miles to get her to stop..." I like the fact you called them a skilled crew. I think if they were any more skilled, they would have noticed the problem sooner and corrected it. Common sense, no?

Colossal fk up.

Just jale

Get rid of the damn diesel.

Due to engineer ERROR and failing to shut off the diesel. The steam engine has no electrical connections to the PCS and this has been discussed as far as the PTC system too. There will be more to come in the future most likely, just have to wait and see what the next error is.

@karlrovey

5 жыл бұрын

This was not an engineer error. The problem was with the electronics on the diesel. UP has a system that allows it to control the diesel from the steam locomotive. That system failed on the diesel locomotive, meaning it would have done the same thing if it were in a string of diesel locomotives in regular operation.

Up 844 15 april 2012

Chuckie 2009 could have fixed it !

@MrBugsier5

6 жыл бұрын

WAAAAA! lol