I hate having to go thru 4 modes to get to what I want....2 is more than enough! I have the 1000 lumens version, and I wish the low mode was more like 50 lumens.

I’ve been using Surefire for 25years, quality is number 1 and truthfully my only complaint over those years was the higher lumens which they have been changing for the better. As for the warranty they are unmatched!

Nice vid.

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Nejati Ayvaci Thanks!

i got one of these at a gun show from a guys "bargain bin" for $35 couldnt buy it fast enough.

Appreciate the review man, I've been wanting to get a proper EDC light and I think you've helped me make my final decision so ty! I was going stircrazy but umm ya, your giving out some seriously generic info about batteries and they have so many variables, chemistries, manufacturers, quality control, and cell age all playing very big roles. Depending on your particular need. As you said "One needs to be cognizant of a products design intent" goes for batteries even moreso than most things man. xD The reduced point of failure with 123s really is only low temps. BUT are you more concerned about your battery running in under 0°c or having a higher thermal runaway threshold? -weighs hands- Again, depends on how you're using them. Yes, they can drain to 2.7v-2.5v before they're dead however, that is only because they're non-rechargable so it's moot, you're not worried about cell damage at that point, is disposable. Shelf life? Entirely dependant on the particular chemistry of the battery. (IMR, IFR, ICR, MMC, INR, etc, etc) Yeah. I apologize if I'm being pedant but as a battery snob I can't help myself. If you have a quality LiOn with a 3.6v-4.2v charge, you can leave it on a shelf for months or even years. I literally pulled some out of a storage bin that had been locked away for week over 3 years, still holding 3.6v. Don't store LiOn batteries at full charge as it can increase degradation. If you're losing more than .1v/mo you sacrificed on quality or the cell is old/damaged (damage most likely from over discharge [drain or drain rate]. I'm not a flashlight/torch geek but I am a pretty big battery snob/geek. Not all 18650s are created equal and if you take say a Samsung 35e 18650 and put it in your SureFire (I believe I read somewhere it can have up to a 10a discharge) you'll be damaging the battery if you leave the light on to long. I would recommend the 25r for that continuous discharge rate. Also, your 123As are considered dead @ 2.5v and basically drained at 2.7v but if you take a 18650 below 3.2v your risking the cell. I personally don't take mine below 3.5v before I cycle. But I'm also pulling about 35a out of my batteries so I keep them between %65-98 capacity. LiOn batts like to be in the middle. Also, if you're going to get into serious batteries, get a serious charger. Don't ever charge them via USB. Get a PROPER charger like a Opus or NiteCore. Hope I could add a little to help some of y'all out. Hey, if any of you have any questions about LiOn batts or chargers shoot me a msg. I'll be glad to help. Oh and please guys, don't buy Chinese knockoff LiOns... The QC is atrocious, they're unreliable and sometimes even unstable. I've seen bargain bin LiOns ignite at 3.3v. You get a quality tool, don't skimp on the batteries! I've been cycling some of the same 18650s for over 5 years (DAILY CYCLES) and they seriously still hold a nominal 4.2v full and have just shy of if not still full capacity. I also HIGHLY recommend getting a charger that can not only cycle and refresh your batteries, but control how fast you charge them. If you don't need it immediately, like you need your phone (that and charging in use is why in 9 months you start losing battery life) TRICKLE THAT CHARGE!!! I generally put mine on a charge rate of .5a/500mAh for all of mine. On a side note guys, most of your big brand batteries all get their cells from the same manufacturers. (Panasonic, LG and Murata now I believe.) Used to be almost all Panasonic. Sorry, that's one bit I haven't kept myself in the loop. Unless in the recent few years, some others have started making the cells themselves that I'm unaware of. They buy the cells with a specified level of quality control, and build the battery around that. IMO the best starts with AW. Hands down. Then Sony(Murata) Samsung and LG. There are some other decent ones out there like TrustFire, but they're lower end and seriously, who can't spare another $1 at this point to get a top rated batt?

@billythekid3234

2 жыл бұрын

stiCK you sir nailed it,,,, this guy knows nothing about rechargeables. I myself use all Samsung,, Sony, and Panasonic. To say that 500, 600 and 1,000 lumens are about the same is madness! BTW Surefire 123's are made by Panasonic! Surefire have never made there own batterys!. HOwever I have been caring Surefire for 35 years! I do love em, But now days there so much to choose from!

Do you know if that tail cap fit a edcl2-t

im between tactician and E2D 600 but i never seen video with E2D 600 beam shots i will be grateful if you make a video...the only reason i think 600 e2d is more useful at 1000 version is the runtime 1000 lumens dimm faster than 600..btw nice video bro

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Pretty much anything you see on video isn’t going to be a very good representation of what it looks like in real life unfortunately. The beam has a very distinct hotspot with a decent amount of flood. Lots of throw from this light. I’d go 600 unless you can get a good price on the 1000 lumen. I have owned a Tactician as well. The beam is much, much wider and you’re not going to get nearly as much throw. It’s probably better for close-quarters. The way you actuate the Tactician is also distinctly different, and you need to ask yourself if you want a traditional tactical switch (Tactician) or a clicky switch (E2D). The other big consideration is the clip on the Tactician which is bezel up only. Hope this helps, and thanks for watching ;)

@solitarium01728

5 жыл бұрын

i have 2 more questions A)the e2d 600 what colour is? Because the e2d 500 was lil greenish B)do you think e2d 600 have better runtime than e2d 1000? Today i will order e2d600 or e2d1000 but im confused very much i think 1000 lumens overheat in few minutes i guess...

@nelsonr1467

3 жыл бұрын

Get the tactiction.

I have countless rechargeable devices but when it comes to something like this, I don’t want anything to do with rechargeable batteries!

@jacobsebastien3910

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Agree'

@r.w.7232

4 жыл бұрын

Wow... you are greatly behind the times. You must not know flashlights. The rechargeable 18650 and 21700 batteries are far away a Superior power source for flashlights. Please don't tell me you're one of these disposable AA and AAA users are you?

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

He’s simply saying that primaries like lithiums are more reliable for an application like tactical use. CR123 have a much longer storage capacity and are useable at temperature extremes unlike rechargeables. :)

@r.w.7232

4 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision but the 18650 and 21700 are just so simple to use. They're incredibly easy to keep them charged. It's a no-brainer, cr123s just not on the same level.

@sajidakh

4 жыл бұрын

On lifesaving equipment you dont want charging on anything. Military optics, night vision etc do not have internal recharging mechanisms. Rechargeable requires the user to be cognizscant of the power drain of that device. The human is most error prone. Changing out batteries on Jan 1 and July 4th is a much easier task for a human to subscribe too. Lifesaving equipment isnt for daily use. Rechargeables have a home on those sorts of use cases.

Have th he original e2d 200lumens for $99.00 on sale with strike bezel..button goes 60 lumens and 200 lumens.only replaced bulb once...bought it nee in the early 90's..Luv it..123a batteries 🎯 . .

Would you prefer the new 1000 lumen to the 600 lumen?

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely not at the current price. Maybe if I could snag it at what I got the 600 lumen iteration for though.

Could you use RCR123A's (USB rechargeables) in this light?

@Precogvision

3 жыл бұрын

No, it’ll fry the driver

Nice review. Great talking points. If you still own this light, are you willing to sell or trade it?

Can't find much info if the 1000 lumen E2D Ultra still has TIR optics.

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Luck Yes, it’s TIR.

@novan3

4 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision Thanks Precognition. Excellent and thorough review!

Can i use those rechargeable cr123s by nitecore on this? Just ordered one and its still OTW.

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

Tim Definitely not, you’ll smoke the driver lol. You can try a 16650 but it won’t give you nearly the same output on high.

@Fortis_1337

4 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision Ah thanks!! Lol time to stock up on those bulk packs of surefire lithium cr123.

@yourfilipinotv6477

4 жыл бұрын

There are rechargeable cr123as 3.0v as well. Not rcr123a

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

YourFilipino TV All “rechargeable” CR123a fall under the denomination RC123a. The “R” stands for rechargeable haha

@yourfilipinotv6477

4 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision Yup, sometimes rcr123a is considered 16340 li-ion. You can check Weltool and Delipow cr123a rechargeable 3.0, coz rcr123a is 16340 that is 3.7v.

Does it come with charger and rechargeable batteries? Thanks

@JT3A

5 ай бұрын

Yes

Please recommend me some rechargeable batteries for mine, that are stronger than the surefire brand batteries.

You can use a 16650 rechargeable in Surefire lights, im not sure in all of them, im not a fan of surefire, but i have 2 G2X Pro and need a 16650 to try it...but i respect your opinions.

Enjoyed your comprehensive approach to reviewing. Good storytelling makes for good reviews and there aren’t enough of them in this industry. 2👍. What’s your opinion on Streamlight - the widely regarded contender to the Surefire brand. You know they’re a competitive alternative because the most quality accessory producers typically sell parts suited for 2 brands, surefire and Streamlight. After these two brands you get into the more esoteric, “tinkering” brands that I won’t bother with because I don’t have time to research them before dropping a couple 100 bones. So what’s your opinion on Streamlight? Btw I bet you exclusively use Apple Computer products(just a guess)

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Hey man, thanks for watching! Yes, I’m pretty much Apple at this point, once you get locked into their “ecosystem” it’s quite hard to get out. As for Streamlight, I’d say that they’re probably the next best go-to for tactical lighting products after Surefire. I’ve owned a few Streamlights, and while they aren’t my cup of tea, I’d posit that they’re great for the mass majority of consumers. Streamlights are also generally cheaper than Surefire, and the quality reflects that in my experience. With that said, they do make a solid product and my dad even has an original Stinger Incandescent that’s chugging along to this day. TL;DR Go for Surefire if you must have the better of the two (me). But for most people, Streamlight tends to be more desirable from a price-point to value perspective.

@sheepdog916

5 жыл бұрын

Precogvision Makes sense. It seems like there is a logarithmic value between the two brands. You have to answer, is 5-10% more quality/durability etc. worth the extra 100-200% cost. Kind of like comparing Japanese supercars to European supercars. The answer really depends on how flippant you feel with your debit card at the moment.

Multiple modes in a tactical flashlight is dumb. The surefire gas pedal switch is the best in my opinion. Soft push for 5 lumens and a push through for a 500 to 1000 is perfect.

Can you talk about the flashlight it self and not Surefire.

@Precogvision

3 жыл бұрын

Ehm it’s kind of in the title what I’m going to talk about my dude (hence the “brief overview” part haha)

@nelsonr1467

3 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision sorry.

I have a surefire and I have lights from many other brands. I can tell you for a fact the thickness of the aluminum used in a Surefire cannot compare to any of the other brands. There is a difference between Surefire and the rest. Don't take this the wrong way, I am not saying the other brands don't make good lights.

Surefires are nice but I think Elzettas are way better. Significantly more robust, customizable, and way better beam. Plus they are American made, more reliable, and cost just as much. Elzetta is like Surefire on steroids.

can you remove the clip?

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

concerned1313 Haven’t done it myself, but yes, you can.

J adore les Surefire, probablement les lampes grand public les mieux construites, mais il faut absolument qu ils protègent la tête des lampes avec des bagues en acier !!!!!!! J ai ruiné une Surefire 6px comme ça...l aluminium c'est trop tendre pour une lampe edc, qui va forcément tomber, tôt ou tard.

I like to recharge my batteries. Whether they are rechargeable or not.

@bloodymarvelous4790

Жыл бұрын

Great for fireworks on the 4th of July :)

A single li-ion cell does work in this but due to the surefire utilizing a simple current limited bucking driver you will lose about 100lm on high because 1xli-ion = 4.2v 2xCR123A = 6.4v

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for chiming in. Honestly, to my eyes it looks much more greatly exacerbated than that but my eyes are certainly not a light meter.

@DisturbedBurger

5 жыл бұрын

I don't have this light but I personally tested my p2x Fury (probably similar high mode mechanism) at 635lm with 2x 123A And with a keeppower 16650 I tested around 530. Low mode is the same with either battery configuration and I tested it at 19lm

@DisturbedBurger

5 жыл бұрын

The low mode on the defender ultra seems, to my eyes, more like ~10lm-~12lm

I’ve snapped some

SF is a cult, also once you use Olight you have to go back to SF. That and it's moddability Once you get into the Lumens Factory or Fivemega rabbithole you can't ever have enough Surefire parts

That You have is 500 lumen

@the8jrfan

4 жыл бұрын

P. OTTA thank you Yoda

Good review thoughts on tactician? New follower here. I’m new to YT as well check out my vids too if ya like.

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

I had a Tactician and sold it. It was an awesome light tbh, and it was cool to see Surefire listening to their customers. Only thing I didn’t like about it was the bezel-up clip. I’ll check out your vids too!

@docric

5 жыл бұрын

Much thanks

slow down...

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

You can slow down the video in settings ;)

Not sure why but it is very hard to understand the way you talk?.. your words are blending together..you are talking too fast.. if you're going to do a video you need to speak clearly, enunciate words to be able to be understood

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ve slowed down in more recent videos because people can’t seem to keep up. You can change the speed to 0.75x in the settings if you have trouble.

Dude you need a dictionary. Butchering words left and right, both in usage and pronunciation.

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

Like what? I’m American born and raised, lol. Never had anyone tell me that before. 🤔

@reallyhappenings5597

4 жыл бұрын

@@Precogvision 0:41 AUDITORY -- not misused, but bizarre. this review will be auditory? unclear what you mean. "pertaining to the sense of hearing" 1:43 RECTIFIED -- you say they have rectified their previous pricing. Rectified is a very black/white word, it literally means that something has been "made right." same construction as "correct." Latin origin, typically used in a scientific/mathematical/accounting context. I'd say it's a little off-base here, where you likely mean that surefire "improved" their pricing or made it competitive. In other words, the word has an explicitly objective connotation AND denotation, whereas something like "improve" is subjective, and therefore more appropriate to a discussion of the value/price/worth of the lights. 2:00 "issues of contention are warranted" -- the contentions may be warranted or unwarranted. The issues are just issues. This is a question of precision and style. 2:05 EDIFY -- "to educate or instruct" especially morally. To lift up. A preacher edifies his congregation. A parent takes his child to the museum for that child's edification. You don't edify outlandish claims about flashlights. You might discredit, clarify, analyze or evaluate those claims in a video. So this was way off and I think that's what prompted my comment. 2:58 SUFFICES -- seems like you're saying "I think it's suffice to say that..." as if the word is an adjective. It's a verb. It suffices to say that, having written all this, I must have high standards for the written word. Also this was a horrible mispronunciation, you've got to hear this used properly. 4:08 ARGUMENT OF CONTENTION -- this is redundant. An argument requires contention. The typical phrase used in modern American mass-media language is "point of contention" which is both more familiar and avoids redundancy. At this point I had to bail on the video, so this is as far as my feedback can go. I'm a professional writer and I think any writer would agree with the subjective aspects of the above critique. The objective stuff, i.e. auditory, rectify, edify, suffice, that's just no-go. Anyway I hope that may help you in some way. I appreciate your receptiveness to this. In the grand scheme of course, none of this is a big deal lol.

@Precogvision

4 жыл бұрын

@@reallyhappenings5597 I had to look at my script to remember some of this stuff lol. For "Auditory", I was speaking with reference to myself mostly talking. That's also why I referenced the items in front of me as "eye-candy". Most people watch videos for the visual aspect, and I wanted to emphasize that the video would be more so verbal. As for "rectified", I don't think that it has to have an objective connotation/denotation. While the word does objectively mean to correct a wrong, that correction is subject (at least in the scope of what I said) to whether or not you believe their new prices are more in-line with value. If I recall correctly, and looking at my script, I said "while some of these issues of contention are definitely warranted". It's implied from "while some" that some issues are, and are not, warranted. As for edify, I'm not 100% sure on this one, but that's how I've always seen it used in literature. If you look up the dictionary definition, it also states "to instruct intellectually". A good example of it used in a sentence (from yourdictionary.com) akin to the way I used it is, Edify for others, that's why he says "He that prophesies edifies the church." According to my script it says, "I think it's suffice to say". I haven't gone back to watch the video, so there's a fair chance I did screw it up when I said. But that is what the script says. I agree that "argument of contention" is redundant. Forgive me if I think you're being a bit pedantic. If you are a professional writer like you said, though, then I don't mind at all. In fact, your feedback is most welcome; I'm always looking to improve! For what it's worth, I have made efforts to tone down my language in more recent videos.

Armytek predator better than this for sure 1200 lumen for turbo, 5 mode, strobe mode, double o-ring 437 meter thrower, 30 meter impact resistant, waterproof ip68 the highest can go 30 meter deeper also. Great price and Superior than this. 😂😂😂

@Precogvision

5 жыл бұрын

Mohd Zaudi Khasni Unfortunately, it seems like you didn’t understand a thing I went over in the video. 🤦‍♂️😝

@dizzy4303

4 ай бұрын

Better in every way except that its made by Armyrek and not Surefire. This is a trusted tank of a light for MANY years, tested in harshest conditions by many people who use them harder than the average user. Armytek looks great on paper but theres more to it than that

The problem with the technology in flashlights is they always fail. I’ve never had an issue with surefire, but every Fenix, olight, with all the cool modes always seem to have issues.