One thing you should still learn is the mechanics with fallen trees. The transparency mechanic works based on your distance to the fallen tree, but spotting and camo mechanics work based on distances separately, on their own, not based on the transparency mechanic. Transparency is just a visual thing to guide the players. So this means that when a tree is, lets say 15m tall, and you knock it to the ground. When you approach it, it will turn transparent at less than 15m distance. But at that point you're still more than 15m from the furthest part of the tree to you. This means the tree will still act as camo between you and the enemies and you aren't spotting through it, it is in fact blocking your spotting. This is why with fallen trees you can't trust the visual transparency mechanic but instead judge the distance to the furthest part of the tree from you when you want to spot through it. This is 100% tested thing and this is how it works. Nothing is broken, it's just different mechanics and the limitations of the visual transparency mechanic with objects that are bigger.

Just learned that the 15m behind the bush = save isnt anymore... well, that alone explains ALOT. 🤣

Finally someone explained it. Because I also thought that bushes have different types of camouflage, and some are even broken.

Extremely interesting. Very, very useful for myself and I believe everyone not knowing all these mechanics. I'm not sure I would understand without examples but this was very clear. Great job, thank you !

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Fantastic video. It all makes a lot of sense now! I've been thinking of that Daki clip for a while now

The only time I understood camo. You are the best

Great content. I always play with very sneaky tanks, so sometimes i was getting spotted without understanding, then i started to know about those weird 25% and 80% bushes. Then when CVS appeared, and EBRs can use them, everything got more complex for my AMX line

This is a great video, wow thanks for sharing this awesome tip. GG and WP mate.

There's a tier X field mod that decreases bush camo. With that field mod and CVS the new critical number becomes 37.92%

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Interesting, thank you for pointing out

@fili0938

9 ай бұрын

@@Aeromax9 (1 - 0.2) x (1 - 0.03) x 80 = 62.08. So the new maximum camo a bush can give is 62.08%. 100 - 62.08 = 37.92. Percentages in World of Tanks are NEVER additive, they're always multiplicative.

You are one of my favorite player and person in this community cheers mate.

makes sense to me, thx i always struggled with that hopefully im better now

The best explanation of cammo in WOT.

Really helpfull. Thanks a lot!

amazing explanation

ffs, pure treasure, thank you! I am quite a good LT player, learned by watching the best in CIS, Nidin, he understands all this, but never explained it so well, like you did, as well as tonns of other LT bloggers.. massive THANKS!

@iyouxintwitch

5 ай бұрын

My pleasure

Love the guide and have a suggestion. Could you make a video specifically showing how to deal with EVEN 90s with other T8 lights? EVEN 90 doesn't really have a lot of counterplay other than passive scouting in an 80% bush and hoping he pushes into a single, but how do you decide when you think the EVEN will push? EVEN is top 10 most popular tank on every server cluster despite being a light, so every 3 mark session in T8 lights is basically you vs. EVEN 90. Even worse when you get an EVEN 90 and have to split your spotting with them or lose it entirely.

Wow, no wonder my M41D did so well on prok when I was grinding for 2 mark and doing union-15, I was using bounty exhaust which gave me just over 36% camo

Very good info, but one thing it doesn't address in terms of my gameplay is 90% of the time im match made with potatoes playing with boxing gloves on. I can go to all the nice spots and keep things lit but all kidding aside half the team is dead in 2 minutes and the rest of the team are camping the back line in heavies. It keeps my winrate hovering at 48-50%. People will say "lrn to play better" but my spotting has little to do with half my team being in the garage before the battle is even really set up.

Sometimes you can spot the enemy light just before entering ths proxy distance. This is because bushes become clear when you get close enough to them. So sometimes you can move through the bushline and get so close that the enemy light only has 1 bush effectively speaking.

Holy sh*t i didnt know how much i needed this, thanks a lot !!! 🎉❤

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

So glad! Enjoy

kinda funny, that if you go full camo on a T30 (bounty exhaust, bond vents, BIA, camo paint, camo skills, exhaust directive and Cola) you can actually get the 36% stationary to make it invisible in bushes :D no one in their right mind would go for that set in a T30, but the fact that it is possible is kinda insane

First of all, congratulations on an excellent video. In the calculation file there seems to be an error in the 80% “after firing in bush” box (is the same as 50%). Furthermore, I believe that the calculation file is only valid for lights, because it does not take into account camouflage in motion and in motion after shooting. It's right? On the other hand, for me, there are also some errors in the calculation in motion, boxes "in bush" boxes (0,9 and 0.85 must be 0,875). Sorry my english

Honestly I respect how much your english speaking ability has improved over the years of watching your streams and vids. Great job!

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I try

WOT Professor Iyouxin, thank you sensei.

Very good vid.

@6:00 need the tree be cut? does a normal standing tree counts? and 8:40 how far can 2 bushes be away fromn each other to seill count as doublebush?

Nice guide man. Is there a website where we can see tanks visibility points? So we can tell if that little part of the track that's sticking out of a bush really makes a difference.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Check WG videos in spotting mechanics

THANK YOU 👌

Thx for that knowledge, I really appreciated it Cheers Sir from Poland 🍻

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@slomkaadas9603

9 ай бұрын

@iyouxintwitch Always Sir, always. Have a good day!

wow amazing ty

spotting guide for every map please

Actually went into the Discord to get the camo calculator. Thanks!

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Thank me later 😊

Hello, I loved your video and the excel is very accomplished, but I have doubts because the vision, the camouflage and if the enemy tank has CVS, doesn't it have an influence? I understand that the excel is a reference but the enemy tank also influences. Great job

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Our document has it all

Great video. But u mean that u need to sit behind the bush to make it to an 80% one? Or it also work if u knock a tree into a bush so both overlap and sit in it?

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Both overlap

I have one question @iyouxin twitch, i'm not sure if when we we are 15 metres behind the bush, we have still 50% camo from bush or its changes to 80% And when one bush in front of us and its 15 netres in front of us we are still able to spot with no changes? Sr for bad english

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I will make a video on spotting mechanics soon

Great vid my WR just fkn boosted i feel like my enemies are bots XD thanks!!!

You have NO IDEA how many times I told our light tank to go and just sit in that D/E 1 position 🤦‍♂️ 95% of the time they either yoloed like crazy in the middle or they passed through the line of bushes at line 2, obviously getting spotted and lost the game for all of us ☹️ I had GREAT spotting games from that position with either a stealthy td or a medium 😱 It's just awesome! And not by using cvs, I also had great games at lower tiers, just by sitting in that bush and / or then shooting double bushed.

I wish WoTB have you, this is a great video

where can I get the camo calculator? Great work btw! Keep it up!

@iyouxintwitch

5 ай бұрын

Our discord

Iyouxin, is there a video or website that shows all the different trees by camo provided?

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

25% or 50% that's it. Has leaves or it's green - 50% . The rest is 25. You welcome

back in the days light tanks would allways spot TDs but now TDs spots light tank first

I’ve played for ocer a decade and I feel like a boomer when it comes to how CVS changes bushes, but slowly learning it lately by playing EVEN 90

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

The camo and spotting system changed even before CVS was introduced. It's been like this since early 2018 when WG made the bushes and trees make more sense. There used to be everything 0-60% or so that foliage gave. The same looking trees on different maps could give different camo values. Now it's simple and allows you to plan your plays.

Very informative! But where do you get this camo calculator? XD

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

In the description go to discord. There a channel #camo-calculator

Thumbnail looks like iyouxin eating broccoli 😂

I still dont understand when bush conceal gets added, like when you are in a bush and enemy is in an open field does it count as both tanks gets the bonus as theres a bush in between or only you get it as you are actually in the bush?

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

When the bush is transparent to you, meaning when you're 15m or closer to it, it no longer clouds YOUR vision. You are at that point spotting through it. But from the enemy's point of view, it is camo for you. This is why when you shoot at the enemies from a bush, you should be over 15m from the bush so that it is no longer transparent and keeps its camo when you shoot.

It is 80%, because game mechanic allows to aquire up to 80% camo from foliage, so there can be 10 bushes in front of you, it still gives 80% :)

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, it's to combat ability to get 100% camo in every tank so that campers can actually be outspotted.

This explaination is neat - except for the emphasis on 36% camo. My Sheridan with max camo skill, low noise exhaust, and exterior camo has less than 35.81% camo. Am I supposed to need field mods or consumables to get to 36%?

@iyouxintwitch

5 ай бұрын

Just don't spot with it in line on bushes. kzread.info/dash/bejne/naN7pqh8oaTMZ7w.htmlsi=bzi0fkAEPuscWcYi check this video too

You are the beast 😄 Can I have a link to Excel?

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

It's in our discord, please check out

@grzbal

9 ай бұрын

Thanks bro, I am grsteful

Great... so on what map are we supposed to use this? New Mountain Pass where they removed all good TD positions? Or all the other maps where we are supposed to bush behind some grass.

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

On all maps. I constantly use bushes and knock down trees on all kind of maps, even Paris and Ensk. When you understand the mechanics, it opens up tons of positions to use to spot and for example shoot a few times before relocating. I can tell from experience that people in this game are extremely oblivious and don't understand where they get spotted from, even if they see a tree falling.

@marcbjorg4823

8 ай бұрын

@@LethalWalou, basically what I see, is dummies without good optics whining so Wargaming remove all good snipe locations so they can play with 400m view range.

Your awesome

6:00 but 50% bush + 25% tree will do 75% camo wont it ? either way this helped me a lot ! but I keep wondering 25% tree and 50% bush together do 80% camo ? I guess for 75% tree to work you need 36%camo + 5 so 41 logically ?

@rajkolv

9 ай бұрын

I think 25% from trees ads to 50% from bushes like 50% + ( 25% of that 50% which is 12,5%) so 62,5% should be a bit more accurate i think

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

It will be 75%

@elie2133

9 ай бұрын

@@rajkolv yea in fact it's 75% not 62,5

@elie2133

9 ай бұрын

okay ty@@iyouxintwitch and would you be spotted only at 50 meters also if you have a 75% bush and a 41% camo if I understood correctly ?

@e_Moses

9 ай бұрын

@@elie2133 40% stationary camo would be enough. 75 - 20%, reduced by CVS, leaves you with 60% camo from the bush so your tank needs to have 40% stationary camo. Keep in mind that if you move CVS will reduce 12.5% of you moving camo.

This math makes sense. But how do you make it useful given in game there’s no time to crunch numbers? Do you memorize a few numbers before you go in?

@iyouxintwitch

7 ай бұрын

Yes

6:43 - this is just the theory, because in reality - the tank in the line of bushes will also benefit from the knoced tree and the bush of the Bulldog, that's why Bulldog won't be able to outspot the enemy LT.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

If you can see through that fallen tree, then it doesn't provide camo for the enemy light tank

@WarriorsOfAden

9 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch yep I know but in situation when the bush is transparent, you still have 80% bonus? I thoght, that in such situation you don't have 80%. Even if the tree is knocked into the bush.

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

@@WarriorsOfAden You do have camo from the tree and the bush, that doesn't change whether it's transparent or not. The transparency changes your seeing through them, and if you don't see through them that means they act as camo between you and the enemy. That is of course useful when you shoot the enemy.

I learnt nothing till you whipped the map out and then, dam I never realised pushing the left hand bush line gave me 80% camo instead of 50% cammo. Title lies I learnt how camo mechanics work in 8:23 m,inutes :D

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

We are working on a full guide about spotting.

@spilsuk

6 ай бұрын

Brilliant@@iyouxintwitch also I learnt 50+50 = 80 :D

I don't understand what 25% bush,50% bush is. This index means that when entering the bush, it adds up to 25%, 50% or something like that? Hope you can explain it to me. thanks you.

@iyouxintwitch

2 ай бұрын

It's your bush has leaves? No? - 25%. Otherwise 50. Grass? Always 25%

I have to say it, your sometimes really annoying iyouxin, but these videos are on another level. Really profesional work ! Nothing i didnt know but ill leave you a sub and a like just for your way to explain camo.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

🤤 fenks

Great explained. I know now how to use the bushes. But its really hard to understand the mechanics Great Video🍀🌞👍😁

Hi, where can I download the google xlsx you are using in the video

@BADMIXofficial

9 ай бұрын

On xin server I think

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Discord

@endercat1126

9 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch thanks

so are you saying I don't need to boost my camo on say ebr?

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I think you should. Because you won't be spotted on the open field. But some tanks can't get 50% camo no matter what you do

is there any link tho this google table with calculations?

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

in our discord. Camo calculator channel. Check description

@rocket5667

6 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch thanks!

So if I knock a tree into a bush and then sit IN the bush (not behind) do i get max camo or do I still need to sit behind it? Thank you!

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

It works both ways. If enemy is in front of you, you can be outside of the bush and fire. You sit in the bush too cover your tank if you expect enemies to pick from the rear or the side

@joakimwermelin4200

9 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch And If I put a tree over the bush, will this change anything ?

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

@@joakimwermelin4200 the camo of the "box" with a tree 🌲 and a bush will be combined.

You gotta love the quote *There is not a single tank that has 600m Viewrange* Am ...wrong xD

How can I get that sped sheet.

@iyouxintwitch

7 ай бұрын

In our discord

so basically that 36% camo mark just is, no explanation, WG decided it's gonna be that way, same with proxy spot... why it is 50m? because WG decided it's 50m, some game mechanics are just set at some value because somebody felt that it would be okay to have that value up there 🤷‍♂️ another example: in NBA made by 2K there is a player stat "ball handling", if you have this stat at 86 or higher (range 25-99) you can run around your defender, but it you have the same exact player with just 85 ball handling, you won't get past the defender, he'll lock you in place like he glued you to the floor... why 86? nobody knows, it's just the way it is 🤷‍♂️ so I wouldn't look for an explanation for the 36% camo value being some calculated value, it's just a set value that WG picked... nonetherless an amazing explanation and the most important thing for me - the bush camo values, I knew they had different values, but didn't know what and how to recognise them 😅 so thank you very much Professor Iyouxin 💙

@Uberrandom

9 ай бұрын

36% is not random - CVS is reducing the maximum camo from bushes from 80% to 64%. The description is that bushes give -20% camo in the slot, and 80% times 80% is 64: so you add back 36% camo on the vehicle with 64% from bushes and that gives 100% camo, then you can only be spotted in proxy.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I will work hard on making full guide on spotting mechanics. You are gonna love it

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Very clever

why does it matter that the tank is passing through one line of the bushes, when one bush gives you 50 percent camo and that's enough to make you only be proxy spotted if u have 36% camo? shouldn't he only be able to be proxy spotted?

@iyouxintwitch

7 ай бұрын

50% camo and 50% bush _proxy only

Where can i download that?

@iyouxintwitch

5 ай бұрын

Discord

How I get this Excel document?

@iyouxintwitch

3 ай бұрын

On our discord

Its like an lecture. I fall asleep 😴

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

Lol 😂

Enter the Matrix

Where is the link to the sheet? The discord doesn't work.

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

Works for me

@nobshistoryengineering4421

6 ай бұрын

I cannot join it, it just says question 1 of 4 required and I cannot advance past it... I have tried joining many times@@iyouxintwitch

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

discord.gg/8FWR3Gwe try this brother. I made a new invite

I didn't pay so much attention even in classes, excellent teacher, excellent service (5 stars)

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Lol 😂 thank you bro, it really means a lot

People are still getting confused by stating that 50% + 50% = 80%. Rightly so because from a mathematical point of view this of course does not make any sense. It should therefore be pointed out that in WoT there is a practical limit of 80% camouflage offered by foliage. In other words, no matter how many 50% bushes or fallen trees you have between you and your opponent, the provided camouflage is never be higher than 80%.

The newer commander's vision that counteracts camo is 20p it needs to be nerfed if anyone's wants to run with camo as a tactic in my not so humble opinion

arond 20:00 mark, why do you have Turkish words on your search bar? :)

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

That's Google suggested

the problem is differnciating between types of bushes

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Has leaves = 50%, no? 25%

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

There's only two types. The bush/tree either has foliage or it doesn't. When it has foliage it's 50% and when it doesn't it's 25%. That's literally extremely simple.

I♥BUSHES

can u share excel ?

@iyouxintwitch

5 ай бұрын

In our discord

iyouxin causaly being a pro in understanding camo makes me feel dumb

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

🧐 explain yourself 😂

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch Well done learning the mechanics, I personally do appreciate a CC finally understanding these things. Lets not forget though that few years ago you were completely oblivious of the 80% hard cap for example. :D you've gone long way since and keep spreading this correct information to fight off the misinformation currently out there. I especially like that you're the first streamer to understand the Fisherman's Bay bushes thing. No one else, like QB and Dakillzor etc still doesn't get it.

I have a bush

Can someone please tell me the math as to why do you exactly need 36%+ camo to not get spotted by anything? I just hate when i dont know why 36 is such a magical number

@chuihoi1423

9 ай бұрын

A replay from @Uberrandom in another comment may help you: "36% is not random - CVS is reducing the maximum camo from bushes from 80% to 64%. The description is that bushes give -20% camo in the slot, and 80% times 80% is 64: so you add back 36% camo on the vehicle with 64% from bushes and that gives 100% camo, then you can only be spotted in proxy."

@e_Moses

9 ай бұрын

@@chuihoi1423 Keep in mind that 36% is what you need if you are stationary. If you are moving you'll need 41.15% camo while moving to only be spotted by proxy.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Comments are great

@adambalogh7239

9 ай бұрын

@@chuihoi1423 Thank you very much, it should ve been kinda obvious to me, I just didnt know how CVS works, aka does it reduce both tank and bush camo values separately or the total value.

@adambalogh7239

9 ай бұрын

@@e_Moses ty to you as well

I have 56% camo on EBR105 no one can find me if I'm in bush, only 50m😂

Thank you very much. You nedd to be CC from WOT. They must forget everything!!!!! You are the best.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

"25+25+25+25=80 that's how camo in WG works" - all you need to know how logic works in WOT ;)

@LethalWalou

8 ай бұрын

The 80% hard cap is a conscious choice. It stops every tank from achieving 100% camo and allows campers to get outspotted by tanks that are meant to outspot them. Now if you want near 100% camo in your HT you have to sacrifice one equipment slot for camo net and another for vents. And only some HTs get 20% camo that way. That's also when CVS kicks in and drops the hard cap to 64% so HTs aren't allowed to camp.

Excuse me , im not an english native , what is the CSV ?

@iyouxintwitch

8 ай бұрын

Commander vision system. Equipment that removes 15% camo behind the foliage

@woaw54

8 ай бұрын

@iyouxintwitch ty :) amazing vids bdw and gratz on 100% Moe on Bc

@iyouxin : where can i get ur calculator? :)

@iyouxintwitch

4 ай бұрын

A new updated version of the camo calculator is now available here: discord.gg/R5nGuXkwhX

Why is the difference between 35.9% and 36% so big?

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I will explain it in the spotting mechanics guide

"Understand Camo in 23 minutes", but this video is only 22 minutes long, meaning I will never unlock the secret knowledge of camo.

@iyouxintwitch

8 ай бұрын

XD

Sorry, I did not watch the whole vid. Where can I download this spreadsheet? Thanks.

@iyouxintwitch

6 ай бұрын

In our discord

There should not be this amount of complexity in a game that is decided by RNG. 15-3 steamrolls and 4 min games.

What wait? - nvm.. 50+50=80

Yeah maxed out on camo for elc and they spotting me and in same bushes that are 50% but keep believing the mechanics act as they should. I mean im maxxxxxxxxxxxeddddddddddddddddd

@iyouxintwitch

3 ай бұрын

if you do get spotted it's either your tank is outside of it or you are moving and they have CVS.

@Dougie-ex1ov

3 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch tell me honestly do you think RNG is not rigged and I mean shooting and all the mechanics? Im telling you what you are experiencing is not normal, its a gamble. Its not strict mechanics. Sure probably with your account, i see 90% of your shots go straight but im about 80% accurate on the nose and I never ever get above 50% pens. RNG says nope. Side on 100M miss, 50M side of light tank dirt. The game is really broken. Im pretty good at the game 9000 rating. I know how its supposed to work I know all about it. It doesnt play out like the math dictates lol.

@Dougie-ex1ov

3 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch and the fires at the end of a blowout its hilarious how many coincidences there are. Its so predictable. I just know everyone getting set on fire. Last 3 tanks fire fire fire lol. Game is rigged my dude.

@iyouxintwitch

3 ай бұрын

I would like to see some evidence, honestly. The more I learn this game the better I become at understganding how it works. And less I think it's rigged. I wish you to experience the same.

@Dougie-ex1ov

3 ай бұрын

@@iyouxintwitch Well maybe im being dumb. It would not be a new idea. LUL. I find its usually ignorance and I cant base my views on experience as the mind is terrible at filtering information properly. Probably right.

isnt that dumb that u can only be spotted in proxy range if u are in 80%bush and with 36+ cammo

I wish WOT console’s camo mechanics were the same as PC’s. It’s sooooo bad on console

@ziginaigra

9 ай бұрын

it cant be worse than here lol

as we all know, WOT is a mathematic game, lol

Please re-post Is-7 videos :)

My name is Valera. I am old man. I am 54 years old.

гра перетворюється в математику. надто багато цифр потрібно тримати в голові.

school for kindergarten???

This was a waste of my time.

@iyouxintwitch

9 ай бұрын

I'm sorry to disappoint you. My goal of uploading this was just to see how community react to me explaining mechanics. Do you mind sharing, what you didn't like?

@fanaticaudienc8089

9 ай бұрын

@iyouxintwitch how fast does M41 go? As a example Humor me this What is the effective top speed of ELC on soft ground? 36% M41 camo moving toward the same area as ELC gets spotted before reaching the position and gets blasted by TD's The problem is Moving Camo, not bush mechanics. You are relying on a chance to get matched up to an inexperienced ELC player just to have a chance of doing anything. Senlac, setter, M41 and.... are fucked going against even an moderately experienced ELC player with some bounty equipment installed. I have LT-432 and am doing fine 🙂 👌. Spend money for results. LT-433 with bounty exhaust and binoc plus CVS produces results. Money. 💰