1. Budget a. Vizier of the Scorpion $0.25 b. Curse of Shallow Graves $0.50 i. Curse of Disturbance c. Necrotic Hex $1 d. Death Tyrant $2 e. Wand of Orcus $5 f. Undead Warchief $5 g. Ebondeath, Dracolich $6 h. Grave Titan $10 2. Bling a. Tainted Adversary $11 b. Lord of the Undead $11 c. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet $12 d. Rise of the Dark Realms $14 e. The Scarab God $15 i. Commander 1 ii. Commander 2m f. Cabal Coffers $24 g. Kindread Dominance $25 h. Liliana, Dreadhorde General $26 i. Mikaeus, the Unhallowed $40 i. Triskelion ii. Walking Ballista 3. Cuts a. Eater of Hope b. Overseer of the Damned c. Fleshbag Marauder d. Spark Reaper e. Gleaming Overseer i. (Eternal Skylord) f. Ruthless Deathfang g. Distant Melody h. Aetherspouts

@GhetoBesenstyle

2 жыл бұрын

What are the cuts for Mikaeus and the combo pieces?

@blindcommander

2 жыл бұрын

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@Avusui

2 жыл бұрын

@@GhetoBesenstyle soo if youre going for both budget and bling, you would always put in bling first. The additions and cuts are 9 cards so its 9 blings for 9 cuts. If you want to fit in the budget too that would be up to you to decode and play test but bling first if youre shelling cash. Or go budget first and take the cuts out for budget while you slowly acquire the bling take out the budget. If you strictly just want budget and mikaeus with combo then lmk

@gisone6403

2 жыл бұрын

1 land u missed out on for this deck... volrath's stronghold.

@joshholmes1372

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly a lot of the prices are off at this point. Warchief us around $20. Wand off Orcus is over $10. Scarab God is well over 30. Mikaeus over 50.

Love the content creator Grave Titan beef

@TheDude8008S

2 жыл бұрын

Not even a beef when people saying grave titan isnt good are just wrong

@tylermoore6774

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDude8008S You're right... it's terrible.

@joshholmes1372

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheDude8008S it's good in a zombie deck, but otherwise just middling.

@ewilliams0608

2 жыл бұрын

A challenge must be issued! Livestream it!

@highdark4

2 жыл бұрын

Except Joel is totally right. Love both content creators though 🤣

The nod to the nitpicking nerds and their gravetitan hate 🤣

@JonReid01

2 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the rebuttal

Just bought this precon can’t wait to upgrade it always wanted a zombie deck

Shots fired! Haha. Can’t wait to see how Joe and BZ respond hopefully in there upgrade vid haha.

Gisa and Geralf are already part of the Precon ;)

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Def. They can be an alternate commander

Been refreshing KZread hoping this vid would drop!!! Great content. Will help me with my upgrades

I appreciate this vid. I am a) brand new to magic and b) a zombie fanatic. I am buying this deck very soon and you've helped me know what upgrades to plan. Thanks!!

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

Great suggestions! I would also add the follwing: Creatures: Grave crawler Carrion feeder Enchantments: Phyrexian Reclamations

Even though it doesn’t specifically say zombie on it, cards like spark double or sakashima seem good here. Thanks as always Joel!

@garyrice3338

Жыл бұрын

Necroduality, or reflections of littjara are really good as well

Would love to see you and Jake face Joe and Beezy for some gameplay action

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

2hg, would love to

@kingginger3335

2 жыл бұрын

@@JakeandJoelareMagic they have that gameplay kickstarter. I'm sure they'd love to have you guys on

@wuptyz

2 жыл бұрын

Do this!!!!

@highdark4

2 жыл бұрын

Please do this

@gisone6403

2 жыл бұрын

I'm for team Jake & Joel.

I think a few cards from the new set have great synergies with this deck. The ones I have in mind are Champion of the Perished. More zombies die the stronger it gets and for only one black. Sign me up. Another one that goes well I think is falcon abomination. You get 4/4 worth of stats split for 3 mana. Not to mention one of the zombies has flying. A great 3 mana to four mana turn with wilhelt.

Love these new segments!

Definitely include grave crawler and phyrexian altar. I'd also probably throw in a phyrexian tower and reclamation. Finally I could see some value in ayara because of all the black zombies.

The Nerds shot on Grave Titan was a great toss in 😂

Poppet Stitcher // Poppet Factory from midnight hunt is an allstar with this commander :) You see, it's perfect with the commander, poppet factory says "creature tokens you control lose all abilities and have base toughness 3/3". So they lose decayed, which means they can block and their power and touchness are increased. Flipping poppet stitcher into the factory is easy, you just need to control 3 or more tokens at the beginning of your upkeep.

@darthkang_

Жыл бұрын

This is a very good one!

Ballista only works with Mike if you have free sac outlet like Viscera Seer. Also, if you have the money, and a few more unique lands, Field of the Dead is a new EDH staple that is tailor-made for a zombie tribal deck

I have a Gisa and Geralf zombie tribal deck so I'm looking forward to replacing them with Wilhelt. G&G comes with the pre-con so they're available to swap out if players want to. But I want to try something new since I found G&G to be a bit clunky plus they're not a zombie. Grimgrin is valuable as just as a free sac outlet. I can see him as great in the 99 rather than as a Commander. Also, Poppet Stitcher / Poppet Factory + a free sac outlet gives you infinite Zombies entering/leaving the battlefield. Include a ton of aristocrats style death triggers (like the Diregraf Captain that comes in the deck). I also run a number of dragons that synergize with zombies along with Crux of Fate as a board wipe and Arcane Adaptation to make my non-zombies Zombies (including G&G). I have a few dragons and demons because zombies lack flying. However, there's a great new card in the precon that gives all zombies flying so I definitely want to give that a go. I haven't been excited for a commander precon for a while but I love this one. I may make 2 zombie decks. And it's just in time for Halloween!

If you’re putting in Cabal Coffers you might as well include Urborg

Rise of the Dread Marn could be neat - a nice Foretell card (especially with a board wipe that hits)

@darthkang_

Жыл бұрын

Great suggestion! You invest 2 mana whenever you draw it and after that it's doable to keep one black mana open in case of a boardwipe.

absolutely have to put acereak in there for the infinite combo with rooftop storm

Great pics. Although Gisa and Geralf are in the pre-con

Acererak from the D&D set with rooftop storm is a infinite combo to draw out your deck and venture through that dungeon as much you want right ? I’d probably add that intro the deck if it’s not necessarily the game ender at that moment. Labman too if you want to draw your deck out and win on the spot .

@chasekol9661

Жыл бұрын

What route to take in that dungeon though

@gazetronix

11 ай бұрын

Infinite drain.

Teferi's veil can help us keeping the decayed zombies alive at the end of combat. (And protect them from board wipes)

Great picks. I like Noxious Ghoul.

The eater of hope looks super cool though! (Art wise)

Not trying to stir up anything between you and the nerds, but for the price of a grave titan you could get a Rot Hulk and synergize with your zombies in the yard, potentially getting 20+ power of zombies for 7 mana

@Voxsmith

2 жыл бұрын

Why not both?

@Vrir16

2 жыл бұрын

@@Voxsmith personally I took it out of my list for a zombie tribal deck specifically because of the giant subtype, and that was even before I got brainwashed by the nerds 😉

@Voxsmith

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vrir16 you're ahead of the curb then! I just built and ordered my first zombie tribal deck using half of this precon with wilhelt as the com. I've got both, I guess I'll see if your right!

@Vrir16

2 жыл бұрын

@@Voxsmith well I'm waiting to get this precon to tear down and replace some stuff in my Sidisi, Brood Tyrant deck. Decided to swap out value packages (Muldrotha etc) to lean heavier into the zombie theme. But best of luck!

@Voxsmith

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vrir16 that sounds awesome! Get to call it zombie tribal, but still be the powerhouse that is sultai. Hope it works well!

Acererak the archlich (AFR) goes infinite with Rooftop Storm to drain your opponents and draw cards

@gisone6403

2 жыл бұрын

Will keep that in mind. Thanx

@michiroblreiter4172

2 жыл бұрын

But he just leaves the battlefield, and dosent dying. So where is the carddraw throught wilhelt?

@jamisongreen2249

2 жыл бұрын

@@michiroblreiter4172 everytime he leaves you venture into the lost mines of phandelver dungeon. Since it's free, you can do this infinite times, drawing your deck and creating treasures.

Cards that could also be added: Ghoulcaller Gisa Lilianas Reaver Grimoire of the dead Phylactery Lich Cellar door Geralfs Masterpiece

Noxious Ghoul is an add I would suggest.

Another two good choices would be Deathpact and Call to the Grave. Death Pact, which simply says when a creature you control dies everyone else sacs a creature, synergizes with the Decayed ability as if guarantees something is always going to die when you through a rotten zombie. Call to the Grave, Beginning of each player's turn they must sac a non-zombie and if there are no creatures on the battlefield sac enchantment, playing a zombie deck makes it pretty much a bonus.

Zombie Master from revised would be fun with this. Thanks J ice 🧊

I wish I could find your prices. Lol. Great vid

Would you cut any of the mana since there is so much in this deck? I also noticed you didn't cut much of the mill

I personally put in gravecrawler , altar of dementia, sidisi, entomb, zombie war chief, and accererak.

Arent gisa anf geralf already in the deck?

@douglatins

2 жыл бұрын

It is

Wow wish I could buy this precon on the only way I play EDH and the official way way to play EDH online.

Gisa ghoulcaller, wilhelt, and intruder alarm. Just saying I'm gonna be playing that.

No Gempalm polluter?

I think that a great little upgrade for this deck that is actually budget and can be an alternative commander if you like to have a backup commander if you want to change the power level of your deck this card is called Narfi, Betrayer King this is a card from kaldhiem it’s 3 generic one blues and one black for a Legendary Snow Creature-Zombie wizard it’s a 4/3 that gives all snow and zombie creatures +1/+1 and you can pay 3 snow mana to return him from the graveyard to the battlefield if he died which is a great little budget upgrade because considering it’s a uncommon so it’s probably pretty cheap to obtain

@Vrir16

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's .07 right now so very budget. I'm running him in my 99 as a lord effect and have been happy with his place there, I think Wilhelt provides more utility in the command zone straight out of the box though

@Fighting_irish493

2 жыл бұрын

@@Vrir16 oh I completely agree I just think having another commander option in the deck can always be fun to swap out here and there also if everyone has a lower power deck swapping him out can help shift your deck slightly

Giving a shout out to noosegraf mob. I run it in my gisa and geralf deck and my playgroup always groans when they see it. In a full pod you're almost always getting 6 free zombie bodies off of it by the time you've come around one time, and if you're able to get undying on it from mikaeus it turns stupid.

Would Liliana the Last Hope be a good upgrade?

I just got the box today. Can we put Cyclonic rift on it?

I was fast to berate you guys on a prior video about the market pricing about a year ago. I believe i called the video lazy and uninspired. Id like to say, this video was the opposite, and has shown me that you guys really care about what and how you do it. Youve gained a new sub. Keep up the great work 👍😊

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Oh shit shots fired!!! ;)

Who else is waiting for the Nitpicking Nerds to leave a comment?

@kjellegilhustad2095

2 жыл бұрын

Grave titan is the best Zombie card in any zombie deck.

So is the Mikaeus infinite combo like one turn type deal or am I trippin? I’m no too familiar with the landscape rn trying to get into magic more.

This commander wants Liliana, Untouched by Death from M19’s minus 3 and Shambling Zombie from AFR for shenanigans

I see this deck as a great way to finally build Nevinyrral

@andrewappleton6741

2 жыл бұрын

I bought this after my playgroup essentially banned my Nevinyrral deck. Apparently they don’t like having they’re creatures constantly wiped out.

Nerds will deffinitely nitpick this.

@maxloggins2930

2 жыл бұрын

#nerdsarethebest

@oldbordergeek

2 жыл бұрын

nitpicking nerds? they have a better vibe then these imho just checking youtube for ideas dont expect much

What synergy does Rise of the Dark Realms have with this deck other than featuring zombies in the art as a flavor win? I haven't looked at the deck list since CZ spoiled it, but you aren't milling opponents much right? I understand it's a good card in any deck, curious if there was any other reason.

@Vrir16

2 жыл бұрын

I'd assume it's running it for the normal "creatures are going to die in commander" and by the time you have 9 mana to spend your opponents are going to have value in their yard, especially if they have to block your death touch zombies

Were you suggesting to add Gisa and Geralf? They are in the deck.

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Just suggesting that they could be an alternate commander

Wait, does does sacrificing decayed Zombie Token at the end of combat count as attacking creature dying and triggers Death Tyrant?

@DragonmasterCire

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's value town

6:56 Watch as Joel embarrasses himself on live KZread by saying Grave Titan is playable. Don't tell me deathtouch on a 6/6 is useful! #NotAZombie

@dustinburns4550

2 жыл бұрын

Muwhahahaha

@Nex41354

2 жыл бұрын

Response #1 to the GT hate. Score: NN - 1 - Home - 1

@commanderpower99

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta spend those dollars somewhere

@gisone6403

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

@Xopher1222

2 жыл бұрын

The only way to settle this beef is a 2 headed giant game with NN vs J&J. Trial by combat!

Why does no one add in champion of the parished?

Why is Tombstone Stairwell not on this list? It can give you a horde quickly.

Nice!

Apparently Wilhelt goes infinite with a sac outlet, Poppet Factory, and 3 zombie tokens

I think Gray merchant of Asphodel would be a decent add if we can recur it, thoughts?

@Eruedraith127

2 жыл бұрын

Gray merchant is super good alongside cleaver skaab, the new zombie in this precon. Even if you totally are whiffing and throwing it down on a 4 or 5 black devotion board, if you can use cleaver on it that turns into a 15 life drain.

@gisone6403

2 жыл бұрын

Yes indeed.

I honestly believe Necromaster Dragon and Geth, Lord of the Vault are potentially great in this deck!

Not on the budget side but Gravecrawler seems like a good choice. B draw a card make a token.

How about Necromantic Selection?

Grave Pact should be an auto-include into the bling. Your decay zombies are going to die anyway, might as well punish your opponents more by making them sac a creature

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Good note here.

The fact that I didn't see either poppet Stitcher or phyrexian alter along with gravecrawler for infinate mana surprised me

@JakeandJoelareMagic

Жыл бұрын

These upgrades are looked at through the eyes of "person who is about six months into mtg" so typically I steer them away from infinites and hyper competitive stuff, just to start

@williammartin172

Жыл бұрын

@@JakeandJoelareMagic that's actually really fair and thoughtful! Nicely done, Would it be possible for you to do a throwback episode of these earlier decks? I'd love to see updated Iist if possible!. Or! A deck focused around building Ghyrson Starn, Kelermorph. Also a huge fan thank you it was this video that got me interested in Magic and was also my first deck ❤, Keep up the amazing work and keep introducing Magic to the next generation.

Love grave titan!

Have to agree that grave titan is a good card. The only downfall is it's not a zombie. Love your channel Jake & Joel

I think they should errata grave titan to add zombie to its type

varina still the nr1 zombie general, this can go in there

Feel like gravecrawler is a must, it’s recurring sacrifice fodder

@ethanwatson4843

2 жыл бұрын

And because of wilhlets ability to make a zombie you’ll always be able to recast him

Isn’t Gisa and Geralf already in the deck?

@thib568

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

Grave crawler, poppet stitcher, altar of dementia (mill when your zombies die)

big fan of the nitpicking nerds shoutout

I also Second Grimgrin

I’m putting the Scarab God at commander 😤

Every time you said Kalitas I heard Cletus

Tombstone Stairwell??

Gravecrawler is a zombie you forgot to mention. 1 mana and recurs itself. I don't care what your budget is, you NEED gravecrawler in this deck. Cast it, sac it to wilhelt to draw a card and get a decayed token. Repeat every turn. Simple efficient and reliable.

why doesnt anyone ever think of Poppet factory.. makes your decayed Zombies usefull xD

6:55 it just got real

Gravecrawler and Geralfs messenger

Rot hulk & grave crawler

What ya think of good OLD, Zombie Master? Run him and Urborg, free zombie hits to the face and everyone involved can regenerate.

Scarab God was $15?

Some of your cards don't synergize very well but are mutually exclusive. For example, you want to resurrect all creatures from all graveyards, but you also play a card that exiles creatures when they die. You recommend a type-specific boardwipe, but put lots of creatures in the deck that aren't Zombies. These are all good individual cards without question, but the composition is pretty suboptimal in my opinion.

Wait no liliana, deaths majesty?! Gotta have a lily for a zombie deck.

@Corbin8

2 жыл бұрын

It's already in the deck..

Excuse me but Lich Lord of Unx is like mini Scarab god but doesn't require you to tap down your army.... Also don't sleep on Grave Betrayal. This into a forced sac/boardwipe means oops your boards are now mine and zombies

Where's Necroduality??

While i do love U/B Zombies, i still feel thraximunder was better. Access to red and kills shit. A 6/6 with haste that gets pumped. With Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar, thrax can get BIG! Like swing in with 10000000000/10000000000 I played it, I had ways to give trample too.

Gisa and geralf is already in the deck lol.

@JakeandJoelareMagic

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Could be an alternate commander

Noxious ghoul

I really don't rate the Vizier because Wilhelt's tokens can't block.

Cool man. Good deck tech. If it didn't have blue I would be all over it lol..

Lol no gravecrawler my man be sleeping

Slammed the nitpicking nerds 😂

gravecrawler

Decayed Zombies die at the end of combat so, Death Tyrant makes Zombies off them.

Grave danger has alot of upgrdes for undead unleashed i took the advice of a comment

Syr Conrad would work well in this deck and he's absurdly cheap

Most of the higher power stuff he mentioned is way cheaper now. Are there any videos floating around of any strong zombie decks? This build is weak asf; literally something a first timer would do. Zombie tribal is in my opinion both one of the most used and at the same time underutilized tribes in magic. I jokingly refer to it as the “Swiss Army knife” of tribes bc there is a zombie for almost any type of effect you can imagine and the combo potential to thematically steam roll your opponents 27 different ways always makes me smile. I’m not going to tell you everything I came up with but I’ll get you started on the right path…… eeeeeeeverybody loves them zombie lords but let me pop that bubble for you; they are a trap! For the mean wombo zombo decks, the only zombie lord you need is Mikeaus the unhallowed. Once you discard the whole ‘zombie lord’ mentality for includes outside of jank then you should enable yourself to discover some of the real zombie pain combos out there.

Don't nitpick me, nerd.