Do you call your own fouls?

@zainekelley

Жыл бұрын

I read on the rules when I was talking trash, that if there's a small gap, as long as your stick is above 45 degrees, you're allowed to shoot towards it without a push foul being called.. seems kinda funny to me.

@jonahkramer9528

Жыл бұрын

yes

@w.peters9548

Жыл бұрын

Always

@w.peters9548

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with you on the shots where the players shoot down on the ball when the cue ball is touching the object ball. IT IS NOT A FOUL!!

@zainekelley

Жыл бұрын

@@w.peters9548 you can't tell if it's touching by camera angle or not. But like I said

“Shane’s cue touches the cue ball, no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this” I’d argue there’s a legit reason Shane doesn’t hear lots of things.

@joshuasuggs2379

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 ikr

@MasekaMokgohloa

Жыл бұрын

you dont have to hear, unless he cant feel

@pearlrival3124

Жыл бұрын

that said he should have felt it giving his other senses are in a magnitude state. hes done this stuff his whole career. we called him on it in a tournament in tunica. when theres real money on the line that bs doesnt stand.

@MikeWhalley

Жыл бұрын

I'd argue he even hit it. to me it looks like he had side on the white and it bends just at the same time he lifted the cue above it, which made it look like it struck the cue

@azaz...

Жыл бұрын

Ok but he would have felt it for sure

You use the word "clearly" in every clip but it just isn't 'clearly' at all, just your opinion lol.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Was pretty clear to me and DrdaveBilliards

@doraemon402

Жыл бұрын

Not only his opinion but he's objectively wrong

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Not wrong at all

@joshfrey6315

Жыл бұрын

Clickbait title

@rastabbatsar6012

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 Well that pretty much sums it up.

If the balls are touching, they become one object, therefor a push is not a double hit. however if there is any space between the two, it is a foul. so it makes it difficult to call some of these if we dont know if theyre frozen

That last one made me think I was at my local pub on a Friday night with all the 18yr olds thinking they can play pool how ‘they’ play it 😂

Love the channel, great vid, keep them coming.

Nice video , please make more of these.

Holy shit Shaw was fucking furious. Then Strickland goes around acting like a damn toddler slamming his cue on the ground just to get his way.. if someone gets that upset maybe think hmmm it was possible that I could have messed up but nah Strickland doing Strickland things.

@rlawther8059

Жыл бұрын

Seen Scottish players snap there cues before but that’s usually after they have won 😂 Ask Jayson about Christopher Slack

@terencebowlen1450

Жыл бұрын

Not unusual for the strickland scrub to be throwing a tantrum like always, he just a spoilt brat with nothing but average pool play, he tried tp piss off some of the greats like Steve Davis (proven 8 time world champion in snooker), that kind of disrespect only deserves to be throw nout in the garbage, really should just ban this guy from all competition in ANY sport or game

@Frusciante1221

7 күн бұрын

@@terencebowlen1450 He is a spoiled brat, but you saying that he has nothing but average pool play shows that you know absolutely nothing about pool.

@terencebowlen1450

3 күн бұрын

@@Frusciante1221 you know nothing about me, yet you assume I know nothing about pool, I didnt deny him that he can play, but its really only average, comparing him to the likes of Efren Reyes, Steve Davis, Ronnie O'Sullivan, Neil Robbertson ... should I list more that Strickland doesnt have a hope against?

Some notes for the people in the comments: 1. You can shoot through the cue ball and object ball if they are frozen. The balls must be declared to be frozen prior to the shot to take advantage of this rule. If you don't declare them frozen, even if they are frozen, any applicable double hit or push fouls apply. 2. If the cue ball and object ball are very close to each other, but not frozen, the cue ball chasing after the object ball even a tiny amount is a very good indicator that a double hit took place. 3. The few exceptions are if you apply enough top spin to get the cue ball moving after stopping in that tiny space, cross face english where the cue ball is deflected sideways before going forward, and jumping the cue ball so it glances off the top of the object ball. The movement of these types of shots is very distinct from a double hit, so it is usually easy to tell the difference. 4. 45 degrees makes no difference in the wpa rules. Some shitty league rules or whatever may say otherwise, but they are not the official rules. 5. A push foul is a completely different type of foul from a double hit. It consists of prolonging the tip contact on the cue ball and is pretty rare. I don't think any of the shots here would qualify as push fouls. 6. Old timers used different rules regarding double hits. Modern rules regarding them have only been in place since the 90's or so.

@LostinYTblackhole

Жыл бұрын

The 45° rule applies to derby coty classic. I’m their rules it is perfectly legal to double hit/push as long as you elevate your cue 45°. Otherwise everything you said is spot on

@lntrlp4936

Жыл бұрын

4:35 seems like a classic push shot to me.

@LostinYTblackhole

Жыл бұрын

@@lntrlp4936 your understanding of push and double hit are swapped around.

@Gotwired

Жыл бұрын

@@lntrlp4936 That's a double hit. Dr. Dave had a good video explaining the difference. It's called everything you need to know about fouls or something like that.

@kameronpeterson3601

Жыл бұрын

@@LostinYTblackhole in upa, the 45 degree rule is so that the shot isnt *automatically* ruled a push/double cue. certainly if you double cue/push despite raising your cue 45 degrees it's still a foul.

I play in local tournaments and occasionally see someone foul but I wait for them to call it. If they don't, I know I'm playing against a cheater. I let it slide because I play for fun, not money or glory and, at 82, I don't need to get into a fight. I found the same thing with golf, sailboat racing and even cards. Most people do the right thing in sports but not all do.

@DarkVenom1432

Жыл бұрын

You as the opponent should be paying attention and calling the foulsz

@kyledorion2514

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, that's how I play too. The first ones free, from there I know what to look for

@OmegaMouse

7 ай бұрын

lol... it's the worst in Tennis. People see the ball out or on the line, depending on how it suites them.

I have to admit some of the push shots you called are quite questionable. when the balls are touching the line between foul and leagl shot becomes thin. Like Shane's shot on 2:15.. I looked ok to me.

@theawesomnes3848

Жыл бұрын

Yes I have to agree with you how tf is this a push shot

@seda12

Жыл бұрын

when theyre playing 9 or 10 ball, you dont have to call a push shot unless its 8 ball. very one way view from the creator

@ryanmoon05

Жыл бұрын

​@@seda12I think you're talking about the wrong kind of push shot. The push shot they're talking about it is when you extend the time of contact onto the cue ball with the tip of your cue, you're literally pushing the cue ball with your cue. The push shot you're referring to is when you are given the opportunity to push out after the break on 9 ball or 10 ball. Two very different things

@user-or9jg1nt5l

Жыл бұрын

The one that’s really obviously good is at 6:52

@jonquiogue6755

8 ай бұрын

those are totally 2 different things lol @@ryanmoon05

Ya know, if cue ball is frozen to object ball, you're allowed to stroke through it with a normal stroke. Most ppl don't know this, in official WPA rules.

@billwatcheshere

Жыл бұрын

7.9 Double Hit If the cue tip strikes the cue ball twice on the same stroke, it is a ball in hand foul. In order to avoid a double hit, the cue ball must be struck at a minimum of a 45° angle whenever in contact with or riskily close (1/2 inch or closer) to the intended object ball.

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

Most pool players do 'know this', especially if they have experienced the situation.

@CheatOnlyDeath

Жыл бұрын

There are some minor variations based on which rules are in effect. Dr. Dave has a good video on a couple of cases.

@kshgarg147

Жыл бұрын

This is a wrong rule. As good as hitting the cue ball more than once.

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

@@kshgarg147 Actually when one strikes a frozen pair it is very hard to double hit unless you actually try to do it.

"no way he didn't hear this" 8^) shane with his airpods off

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Don’t misquote me if you can, thanks.

That first shot was clean. The reason the cue appears to follow forward is that it actually jumps off the edge of the OB diagonally.

@mike8bp802

Жыл бұрын

You know he's hitting the 8ball first right?

@markdresslar

Жыл бұрын

@@mike8bp802 you know what straight pool is right?

@mike8bp802

Жыл бұрын

@@markdresslar you know why its a foul when he hits the 8ball first?

@VinayPai

Жыл бұрын

So I guess Mike 8bp doesn't know what straight pool is.

@kalsyphr5039

Жыл бұрын

@@mike8bp802 my dude you aren't winning this argument, look up straight pool genius.

The Filler shot in the Mosconi Cup was definitely a clean hit, the ball traveled on the tangent line and then the follow took

@garygwinn5818

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely not. His tip hit the cue ball twice. Clearly visible too. Set your video playback to 0.25 speed and watch it again.

@toziassmitt

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight nope. Wrong

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

@@toziassmitt Yes, you are... wrong. Shouldn't it be T Gurl?

@toziassmitt

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight if it was a double touch then the ball wouldn’t have stayed on the line lol, you’re arguing “my eyes are seeing it!” vs basic physics lmao

and that jump push from Shane... ppssssshhh...

I need the glasses you use brother, you make more push calls than a sumo wrestling

I remember watching that Bustamante's shot live on ESPN back in the day, gotta be the biggest controversy in televised pool ever. He even went on to have a private chat with the organizer after this situation (since PH hosted the WPC that year). However, I still think it's possible that the white hit two balls at the same time. Anyhow, Peach went on to win the cup lol.

@KallMeKris2

Жыл бұрын

Look like he the 9 1st.

@robertthomas7239

Жыл бұрын

You really think that's a bigger controversy than Buddy Hall dumping to Mike LeBron??

@everythingbobbywolfe

Жыл бұрын

Even at regular speed you see the 9 move first

@fortheloveofsports1739

Жыл бұрын

Hit the 9 first by a mile. Look at how much speed the 9 ball had compared to the other object ball.

@deepsoundrecord3096

Жыл бұрын

No no no. He started with 9 ball,

0:41 that's a legal shot

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Nope

The second was clean

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

No way

@r.s1322

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 yes way

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

It was a push shot, there was a gap between the balls.

@r.s1322

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 i did not saw any gap

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like a you problem.

"No way he didn't see, hear or feel this" well you can take hear off that list where Shane is deaf lol

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

He’s not 100% deaf

@RockSpoon123

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 He's 97% deaf. He uses a hearing aid.

Did you know that in the "color of money" somebody made a foul and got away😂!

Most of your push shots were wrong except the bank ,that was a push

@AAAskeet

Жыл бұрын

No,bad

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

these were all fouls

@seyumaiayami3536

Жыл бұрын

@@strikermurda No, most weren't. If you ever have seen Dr. Dave Billiards slow mo shots of these exact ones you would see. Yes, some were because the cue wasn't elevated enough and they allowed for some angle when it wasn't needed.

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

@@seyumaiayami3536 elevation of the cue does not matter. A double hit is a foul no matter the angle of your cue. This isn't an amateur pool league.

@seyumaiayami3536

Жыл бұрын

@@strikermurda no shit.

Lots of these clips are push shots indeed, but no foul since it is allowed

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

a push shot is only legal when the cue ball and object ball are completely frozen. other wise push shots are not allowed.

If Im not sure that I double hit a ball and they don’t call a foul I usually don’t call it on myself. But if they call a foul I will always trust them and give them ball in hand.

Strickland never misses an opportunity to be the lesser human.

Bustamante clearly hit the 9ball first...he even stops to look at it and then proceeds to except that it was legal because nobody said anything...lol

Clip two The shooter jacked up to 45 degrees and the cue ball did not travel forward more than 3 inches,, it was a perfect shot

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

that's an amateur league rule and not the professional rule.

@daveusaz7152

Жыл бұрын

@@strikermurda Oh really Lmfao

Actually jumping into the ball when it’s that close is one way to avoid the double hit…

Damn that earl vs shaw scene doesnt get old. Very controversial indeed.

@patrickschleicher5716

Жыл бұрын

can you explain what that was about? the video?sound isnt at all the best.

Thats only if there is a push rule. If a ball is frozen to cue ball technically every shot where you would make contact would be a push shot. As long as you are jacked up past a certain angle it is legal.

Usually your opponent knows it's no rail or call it out themselves

Earl is a huge cheat

@AngrierGorilla

Жыл бұрын

@Nomma Rillnaim it wouldn't have been a foul either, because pocketing uncalled balls it's not a foul, just loss of turn. However I agree that he obviously meant the 10, so he didn't want to take advantage in fraudolent way

With some of the elevated shots, even if you play the white without an object ball anywhere near it, the cue ball first goes forward and then comes back, without a push happening. I dont think shane's 2nd shot was a push

@garygwinn5818

Жыл бұрын

WRONG. HERE IS THE RULE: IF THE CUEBALL AND THE OBJECT BALL ARE NOT TOUCHING, THEN THE CUEBALL, CANNOT INVADE THE SPACE WHERE THE OBJECT BALL IS LYING, WHILE THE CUE IS STILL TOUCHING THE CUE-BALL. IF THE CUE-BALL AND OBJECT BALL ARE TOUCHING, YOU CAN PUSH RIGHT ON THROUGH, AS LONG AS THE OBJECT BALL DOESNT CONTRACT ANOTHER BALL, OR, THE CUEBALL CONTACTS ANOTHER BALL WHILE "PUSHING THROUGH". Take it to the bank. I been playing pool for 31 years and have played at a professional level.

@RushNCrush

7 ай бұрын

Wrong

Can you explain what is push shot

You are calling things push shot fouls that are not. It is perfectly legal to hit into balls frozen together, so long as there isn't prolonged contact or a double hit with the cue.

Damn! I'll never set foot in a pool hall again...the push shot is m y best and most often used shot. I just don't see it as that on some of these..

One nation dominates this part.. 🤣

In most or all of the push shot clips it’s unclear if the cue ball and object ball were touching. Whenever the cue ball and object ball are touching there is no foul because it’s physically impossible for a “push” shot to not occur.

I don’t know how someone think that it is not a foul when the cue is in an angle of 45 degrees. The official WPA clearly says: A double hit is avoided when the stroking-line (extended to the table) of the cue doesn’t not go through the objectball. All other “rules” are not the official.

@brandonmoore5142

Жыл бұрын

If that were true then every single jump shot would be a foul.

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonmoore5142 how do you come to this conclusion.

@davidmiles6420

Жыл бұрын

Incorrect

@mike8bp802

Жыл бұрын

@@strikermurda its true tho cause the only legal jumpshot is with an 45° angle on the cue a "scoop jumpshot" is not allowed because thats always a double hit on the cue ball

isn't push legal as long as cue ball and object ball are in contact?

Learn the rules before you post a video calling people out as cheaters.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Where in the video did I say people were cheating? Yeah that’s what I thought 🤡

that first hit is debatable because if you look at the tangent line of the 10 ball, it goes into the 8 ball which after hitting the 8 ball the tangent line would be the same path that the ball went.

That 8 ball touch was clear which is why he initially jerked his head toward the 8 because he knew he hit it

Some of those push shots might have been frozen to the object ball, making them legal shots. It's impossible to tell from the camera view.

In the Earl vs. Shaw game, Earl called the 10-ball at the corner pocket, he even pointed at it right before the shot. Shaw tried to say Earl called the 2-ball. Ten, two, ten, two I think he heard him wrong.

The push rule wasnt introduced in those old clips so tot yem it wasn't illegal.

You clearly don’t understand what a “push shot” is

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

You clearly don’t have the eye sight to see that these balls aren’t touching, meaning it 100% is a push shot.

@AintLoyalNK

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 there is no way the 3 shots at 30s, 2mins and 7mins are push shots.

@denisbeaudoin1406

Жыл бұрын

@@AintLoyalNK he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi But you are 100% correct. Many of these weren’t fouls

I'm very much a new pool player, but are they still considered push fouls if they are frozen together and not an OBVIOUS push through?

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

They aren’t frozen together.

@codykirkland9002

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 ahhhh. It looks as if they are in many cases. My point is invalid given they aren't.

@LostinYTblackhole

Жыл бұрын

He already replied to you but I still thought I should clear it up. If the balls are frozen together, it is 100% legal to hit into them in all rules and regulations excluding APA & EPA. Also youre mixing the definition of push and double hit. Push fouls are incredibly rare, so rare I’ve never seen or heard of one from professionals. That’s when you use an irregular stroke and make contact. For example that would be if I lined my shot up and then touched my cue tip on the ball then pushed forward. Push shots, are not actual shots, they are pushes. So anytime someone strikes at a ball it can’t be a push. Double hit occurs when there is any gap in between the cue ball and object ball. If there is any gap no matter how small it will result in a double hit

@salevu

Жыл бұрын

@@LostinYTblackhole everything you said is true except last sentence.

I don't think you know what an illegal push shot is.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Well seeing as these balls aren’t frozen, they are all push shots, now what?

@billpii6314

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 You still don't know.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@billpii6314 I sure do

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@billpii6314 thanks for responding 6 months later

Good for the Scotsman calling this bullshine out!

If the 1 was frozen to the cueball it was a good hit… I assume it was because that ref is experienced but we couldn’t see

That shot by bustamante is clearly a good shot. It's a very thin clean shot

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

No way, he hit the 9 first.

@kushilabisto3771

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 see the clip again the ball near 9 ball run >90°, if it's a bad shot it would go 90°+

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

No it is not.

Clip one Contacting 2 balls at same or close to same time the call goes in favor of shooter

I wish you could explain for each one why it's a push shot and how you know?

1:25 it looks like the 2 combos a ball into the rail at the last second. Our camera angle makes it hard to see, but it would be easy in person

1:49 there is a way he didn't hear it

It should be a 'gentlemans' game. Call your own fouls. Admit when you miss your pocket.

How is poor sportsmanship to not snitch on yourself lmao

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

It’s not. The bad sportsmanship is at the end, “LMAO”

If the balls are frozen it’s not a push. As long as you don’t double hit the cue ball!

Didn't the old-timers play by a different rule regarding push shots? What Jimmy Caras did and Irving Crane did might not have been illegal back then. But I'm not sure. I wasn't around. Anybody know?

@davidmellish3295

Жыл бұрын

They were legal shots back in their day

Nice staff, It's strange that Marcel did not call a foul in 2nd shot. He's good ref, foul was obvious

At 1:35, did you really say that Shane “no way didn’t hear it”??? Wow lol

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

No I didn’t say that, how could you possibly misquote me when the text is literally on the video?

@austinrd23

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 ya you did… the text says “no way he didn’t see, hear or feel this…

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

There you go, I didn’t say “no way he didn’t hear it” did I? 🤡🤡🤡

Dude. There were a few in here that weren't fouls. Just wow.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

They were all fouls.

Hmmmmm -- Interesting!

Thanks for all the hard work putting these together

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them!

In this video: person who created it clearly doesn’t know what a “push shot” in pool is.

Nothing is a foul unless the referee or opponent calls it.

First shot. Where was the "obvious double contact"?? You put the arrow at the intended pocket, instead of putting the arrow where the supposed double contact was.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

I didn’t put the arrow there at all. Never assume.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Look at the space between the cue ball and the two balls next to it, if he pushes through anymore than that distance he will 100% make double contact, hence why the cue ball jumps, goes forward, then draws back.

@5:40 usually that is not considered a cue ball foul. The opponent may place the 8 ball back where believes it stood, but it isn’t generally called a foul

His mouth probably said two, but it did look like he was shooting at the 10.

You can do what SVB did and jump from very close. The cueball hits the object ball on the way up and moves up and forward because the contact point is above center on the object ball. The cue never moves forward and the cueball only moves forward. So no double hit. Execution is everything though, easy to mess up and still foul.

@hawktime

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but that ding sound comes when cue ball hits the shaft or the ferrule.

@thesafezone3833

Жыл бұрын

@Ville Mäkinen when I have done it there was no ding or click. It just jumps up and away and strikes the object ball just above center so it goes a bit forward. They do need to be .25 to an inch away. It comes up very rarely though. Maybe once in a million shots literally.

When there is a frozen ball you can hit it in any way

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

They aren’t frozen.

@markusjuva1683

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11, from where can you tell?

When the cue ball/object ball are frozen, a certain amount of “push” is legal.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Wrong

@MaachoMaan

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 3.23​FOULS BY DOUBLE HITS If the cue ball is touching the required object ball prior to the shot, the player may shoot toward it, providing that any normal stroke is employed.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Disagree

@MaachoMaan

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 - Well….you’re disagreeing with the official BCA rule book….because that’s where I copied/pasted from. So you can disagree as to whether or not it should be the rule. But it IS the rule.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Completely disagree bro

Be right back…. Gotta go look up “push shot”.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Let me know when you finish

“There is no way Shane didn’t hear this”. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Don’t misquote me.

@Kavik79

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 paraphrased....but accurate to what you said about it 😂🙄

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@Kavik79 no it’s not. 🤡

@Kavik79

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 you're a joke dude. No sense in arguing it.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@Kavik79 hey bro, you left these here. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

if the balls are frozen, the push is ok, just need to get the cue out of the way which is possible when elevating the cue as they did

those aren't push shots, they're double hits. push shots are different.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

What’s the difference? They’re the same thing

You call foul on everything right I believe it's your opinion not necessarily the rules of the table that each incident have are a little different they may call cue ball foul only not necessarily all ball foul double hits/push shots are not always called depending on rules of the table at the time a lot will say if you elevate 45° or more not considered a foul and I doubt back in the day they had the understanding of the push or double hits and this is just my opinion anyway 😉

If I was gambling and the opponent didn't notice the foul it's on them. Like the jennifer baretta example, loree jon should of saw their was no rail contact. If its going to be a questionable hit whether a push or two balls close together you get an a third party to watch the hit.

That Earl one, it really does sound like he might of mumbled ten ball but was misheard. "ten" and "two" both start with 't', so I'm still not so sure about that one. I mean why would he point to the pocket and shoot at the obvious ball to go there if he meant the two. I think the honor goes both ways on Shaw to concede the shot when it really was obvious, but I can see why both sides were upset.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

If you listen to Earl the second time he slams the butt of his cue into the ground he says “how did I ****ing do that” basically admitting he messed up.

@tptCJ

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 Assuming he knew he made the mistake (as both are blue colored), it was impossible for the 2-ball to go to that pocket, thus making it an obvious shot. There is not a tournament (I would play in) where the opponent would call that out on him. Since it was obvious, it's probably why it was called to the shooter. But, I don't have a problem with Shaw being upset either.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@tptCJ well it’s a call shot game, if you call the 2 ball, you must make the 2 ball, simple as that in my opinion

@AngrierGorilla

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 it was just a miscall. It was impossible to pocket the 2, he obviously wanted to pocket the 10. As a opponent if I understand the intentions of a player I have no problem to give this shot good. At the end of the day the purpose of calling shots is to clarify your intentions, but if your intentions are obvious for me it's enough.

@jimmytreadway3195

Жыл бұрын

@@AngrierGorilla mis call? you loose your turn ,its call shot call ball and pocket if you dont do that right then you didnt call your shot ,nothing to argue about

The push shots are illegal in UK rules but I believe they are legal in US

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

Push shots are not legal... here or there. In Snooker, when two balls are frozen, the referee calls it a "touching ball" and the shooter MUST "shoot away" from the ball and NOT move it.

@nakkadu

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight Yes that is the rule in snooker, also in UK pool rules. But in USA it is ok to play into a touching ball as long as you don't double hit. I've seen professionals do it plenty of times.

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

@@nakkadu Yes, because that IS the rule. If they are frozen, you can shoot it and not make a double contact. In fact, it is actually difficult to even intentionally double hit if they are frozen. You have to do some lame, straight on the axis slow shot where you deliberately stroke long and into the cue ball again.

@nakkadu

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmicraysshotsintothelight huh? So push shots are illegal in snooker and UK pool rules but legal in USA pool rules. A push shot defined as the tip of the cue being in contact with the white ball at the same time as the white ball is in contact with an object ball. What are you arguing about?

@cosmicraysshotsintothelight

Жыл бұрын

@@nakkadu A push shot is when the cue tip contacts the cue ball more than once during the stroke of a shot. That is a double hit foul. WHEN the balls are frozen, a push shot IS legal in the US, but singular, momentary contact is still required. In the UK when the balls are frozen you are not allowed to shoot into the object ball and must shoot away from it without moving it. Here it is referred to as frozen balls, and over there the referee calls it a "touching ball" situation. Here, one IS allowed to hit into the "touching ball", but there you cannot. Neither here nor there can you make more than one contact with the cue tip to the cue ball during the shot. You are getting your nomenclature wrong, and perhaps as a result of that, you are getting the shot process wrong. Only a singular, momentary contact is allowed per shot, worldwide. This is why a jump shot as we know it is allowed, but the 'scoop under the ball" type jump is NOT allowed, because greater than "momentary contact" occurs.

Some of those were questionable on whether or not they were fouls. Some of the people I play one pocket with all of these would be fouls because we call any kind of push shot and play very strict cuz scoundrels try to push out off strong safety’s.

@strikermurda

Жыл бұрын

you think you have more strict rules than pro matches?

Obviously the person making this video doesn't know what's considered a good hit vs foul.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Yea I do

I get that Earl is up there in the best players our sport has seen but it’s rly hard to respect him when he smashes his cue against stuff and things like that. Seen too many clips of that. It’s just immature.

@Welcome2Meap

Жыл бұрын

Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.

@greenjelly01

Жыл бұрын

@@Welcome2Meap That's just as immature as Earl.

Shane is deaf I know he didn’t hear it he turns off hearing aids

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Can he feel or see?

Half of these aren't pushes or double hits - because in those shots the cue ball and the object ball travels at the same speed. But it didn't in those cases.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

That’s not how it works lol.

@SanketAlekar

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 It totally is - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iHaTus-SY8Sphpc.html

@mattc3581

Жыл бұрын

​@@SanketAlekar Your clip is a demonstration of what happens if you are striking flat and centre ball, in which case the cue ball follows the object ball. In almost every case here the player is striking down on the cue ball to impart backspin. The cue ball initially follows the object ball but very quickly the backspin takes hold and brings it back. In a lot of these clips you can see the cue ball move forward 3-5 inches from its initial position before drawing back, showing that it was initially forced forward by the double hit as in your video. If these shots had been played legally the cueball wouldn't have moved forward at all from the position it struck the object ball, the impact would have stopped it almost completely dead and then the backspin would have brought it back from there. Striking down on the cueball like this doesn't make it legal, but it does make it much less obvious that they have double hit. If there is sufficient distance between the cue ball and object ball striking down does make it much easier to actually play a legal shot as well, though as per above you would see the cue ball react much quicker from a legal shot. 0:41 is a really good shot of this in action, you can see the cueball move a couple of inches forward through the position where the object ball had been. Assuming they weren't frozen then this was definitely a double hit.

Bro is commenting on games from the 20s

This is a legal shot, if the balls are frozen.

I think filler did it clean... not a push shot I think

Loree was looking dead at the balls, clearly no rail, her own fault, but Jennifer is that type of player

@b_wheel

Жыл бұрын

I was there in the crowd for this and everybody was whispering to each other... There was a sigh of relief from Beretta when Laurie John took her shot after that... Cheater.

I believe if the balls are kissing its not considered a push. But if there's a gap then it's a push

Btw .. Earl called the 10 ball, it’s obvious that the 2 ball doesn’t have a pocket and if you see the full video you can tell Earl is playing the 10 from The beginning. Jason in the other hand acted like a lil kid with no respect for the game or Earl but that’s a case of his own.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

It’s a call ball game, Earl called the 2, this was a foul. He even admitted it.

@menaceledennis

Жыл бұрын

He called the 10

@hawktime

Жыл бұрын

@@menaceledennis nope, he called the 2.

This is like basketball you do not call your own fouls that is the referees job

I personally call my own fouls... In the words of Willie Masconi, "Pool is a game of royalty." I hold myself to that level of sportsmanship. Pool and golf are two of the only sports that I know of that you can call your own fouls or penalties during high level competition. It's unfortunate that more people don't hold themselves to that standard. After checking the rules, they state that a pool player isn't required to call his or her own penalties, yet watching professionals not ending their turn when they know deep down inside they made a mistake is disappointing.

@ryanwysocki6437

Жыл бұрын

Good thing most of these clips are not even push shots

@torrable-brawlstars7833

Жыл бұрын

@@ryanwysocki6437 every single one of them is but the filler shot is probably not

@OffGridMadMan

Жыл бұрын

I'd say the sportsmanship in snooker is light years ahead of pool and I love both games.

Fourth clip a foul

I love how the channel owner is in the comments running off his ignorant mouth! LMAO

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

100%

@datboytalkinrungotellem

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 fucking b player lol

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

What’s a b player

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

I’m sure you know what it is

I do not understand the first one pls help Scratch that. Anything that says push shot I don't understand, even after googling what it means.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Cue hits the cue ball more than once.

@Cellkist

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 it's so hard to spot even after you say it's obvious ;-;

@denisbeaudoin1406

Жыл бұрын

@@Cellkist because these aren’t push shots. And he loves arguing with people and then blocking them fyi

@Cellkist

Жыл бұрын

@@denisbeaudoin1406 ahhh that would explain it lol ty

You're clearly not taking into account that the rules have changed multiple times during the time span you're covering in your excerpts. Back in the era of the Irving Crane versus Luther Lassiter match, for example, the modern definition of "push shot" simply did not apply, in particular not for frozen balls (which have been considered an exception to the rule in countless reiterations of the rule set). The next shot by Jimmy Caras is the only type that might have been considered debatable back in the era, and you'll notice it apparently wasn't, as Caras wouldn't even bother elevating, nor did the referee bother calling anything whatsoever. The next shot, by Roger Griffis, would in fact have been considered a foul in its era because he can be seen not to elevate 45 degrees, but then, all AccuStat Invitational events used their own rule sets, and Scott Smith, the tournament director wasn't one to overlook a foul if indeed it was considered one by the rules played that day. In Joshua Filler's shot at 6:25 minutes into the video, the cue ball can be seen to deflect sideways along the tangent line before the follow takes, so there you have your answer, all about physics. During the Shane Van Boening shot right after, commentator Danny DiLiberto is giving the relevant rules explanation, so again, the question would appear answered, except I don't believe Shane would have elevated if the balls had been frozen, as the shot would be easier to make without elevation if they were.

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

What a paragraph this is

@arix819

Жыл бұрын

@@cuesportclips11 hes right tho lmao

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@arix819 u read it?

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

@@arix819 “LMAO”

@jamesrelford4560

Жыл бұрын

You didn’t?

sorry man I think the first shot was clean maybe double contact on the 8? because it seemed to be travelling tangelt line of the 12 but then again it seemed to hit the 8 second and double hit on the 8

@masterdurick5667

Жыл бұрын

not necessarily clear, especially without slow mo replay. usually the objective is to avoid double hitting first ball, opponent and shooter might not even be thinking about double hitting a second ball

@cuesportclips11

Жыл бұрын

Get your eyes checked asap.

@datboytalkinrungotellem

Жыл бұрын

Def not clean, illegal - get your eyes checked asap