Flip or Pass is definitely my favourite genre 🙂 I agree 100% that the BS circulating about the Pepsi being discontinued because Rolex have somehow forgotten how to make the bezel for it (seriously - people believe this?) is pure FOMO generated by dealers who are holding a bag of them. The price will collapse after Watches and Wonders when the model isn't discontinued. Another banger of a video

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

It’s been a while but was definitely time to do an updated flip or pass and i can’t wait to see how the prices drop when it’s not given the chop

BP my respect ✊🏻 to you you’re truly a professional at your craft unbelievable but true. TSGWMID💀

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Very kind of you my friend, keep up the good work, thanks!

Love this video, hope you keep putting out more like this!

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

Just wait one year more and most Rolex models, including stainless steel GMT’s will be available RRP at AD’s and under retail at grey market dealers, just wait and you will see 😊

@WestCoastAce27

2 ай бұрын

If the economies of major countries keep going into recession, very possible. Although don’t underestimate how much wealth there is in the world.

@benbill8739

2 ай бұрын

@@WestCoastAce27 the average customer of Rolex is a middle / upper middle class worker, those people no longer want to immobilize 10K $/€/£ into a piece of stainless steel, they now prefer keeping liquidity or invest the money, the only buyers who will remain in the market are watch enthousiasts like us and the majority of us can not afford multiple watches per year or even one watch priced over 10k$ every year and the last crazy prices increases make it even worse. This market is going to calm down for sure

@TheTotalPackage-qo5gx

2 ай бұрын

I agree it’s not far off now with the majority of the catalogue available for retail or under. Only GMT Pepsi and a few other GMT models over retail and of course certain Daytona models. Maybe the odd OP also as Vinny mentioned in the video.

@mattilevi

2 ай бұрын

They will go out of fashion by that time. I’m pretty sure people will get Daytona and GMT fatigue by then. It’s nothing unique.

Nice one Vinny. I've turned down a couple of AD offers this year, saying I didn't want them. I've only bought models I wanted in the past. There are a couple of Rolex still on the wish list but I'm looking at the grey market more and more as prices equalise. If I don't get what I want from the AD I feel confident I won't be overpaying by much if at all by years end. Rolex ADs are far from desperate but we're about 6/7 years on from seeing most models available in the window. That's the norm.

Grey market dealers will offer you list price for that unworn SS Submariner then proceed to sell it on their site for a 50% markup 🤡🤡🤡

Great content as usual. I love these updates.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Nice content. Thanks for

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Very informative video. Well done. Thanks.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

You are welcome! thanks for watching mate

Another great post, thank you Vinny 🖐

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it thanks mate

Great stuff, keep up the good work 🤙🏻

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thanks man!

Ive been offered a black submariner date from ad its alot of money for me and most likely will need to sell or exchange it one day will that hold its value? I dont follow price trends never really thought i would make the front of the waiting list

A ⭐️Fantastic content as usual - refreshing straight as it is 👍👍

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

thanks a lot for your kind words

Thanks Vinny, entertaining as usual. 👍

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Steve🙏

Hi I am new to your channel & I am impressed. Just a question what do you think about 128396 TBR? Does it hold its value and it’s got potential? My ID offers me, this Watch and guaranteed dependent face, Daytona stainless steel, do you think it’s a good deal it’s not worth it? Thank you very much but personally I really like that day date just couldn’t understand why the prize wise they adding the diamond bezel cost $50000 Australian dollars

Happy Easter Vinny, I wish you a day filled with overwhelming peace, and an eggs-tra special Easter Sunday. 🙏⌚️😎

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

very kind of you Gavin thank you, happy easter to you and your family too

@gavinsverdloff4291

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancis No probably. Take care.

@gavinsverdloff4291

2 ай бұрын

Problem that should say ! 😀

Majority of consumers developed the Rolex fatigue at this point. They were treated like trash by the AD upon asking for a professional SS reference, whilst in reality the AD was selling the stock back door to the grey dealers. Also, the whole watch trend sentiment is fading away fast. There are no more helicopter money, people are not locked up in homes anymore, they are spending money elsewhere. This is not the 2021 anymore. Rolex was never a premium price brand. I could get whatever I like at 15-25% OFF before 2018. Those times are coming back fast!

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

hmm interesting point, I would be shocked to see retail discounts being offered but who knows if they can’t shift solid gold pieces perhaps that’s where it will start

@nikolajovicic174

2 ай бұрын

Technically, we already have discounts. Almost all YG daydates can be found bellow retail. Two tone datejusts and some steel datejusts as well. Even the two tone GMT GRNR can be found bellow retail in Germany in classifieds .. The AD's are still clearing the years old waiting lists and they are catching the last crayon eaters to sell them that 31mm diamond dial datejust. Once that dries up, we will see the discounts even at the AD @@vinnyfrancis

@BIG2hats

Ай бұрын

Rolex was premium priced since day one my friend 😂

@petrolo72

22 күн бұрын

As the market and economy start taking more of a steeper downturn, it’s going to affect luxury items first, there will be less demand and the free market will dictate the price for watches

great video, best of luck!❤️

They offered me a murky blue date just with diamond indices. I looked at him as if to say “am I a gangster “ ?? All I want is the blue baton dial not some near £11k monstrosity attracting ner do wells

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

ahahah that’s hilarious, yes i forgot to mention that you would lose even more on diamond plot dials too

What do you think of the new 1908? Spoke to my AD they say it’s very rare still

Hi vinny I love your pass or flip video, which is a very honest, genuine opinion and very positive for enthusiastic people who like to watch and learn about what the current market value of certain models is selling for I will look forward to watching your next video keep up the positive content have a great positive week ahead best wishes

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do!

Always honest info.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Roger, happy Easter

deeply insightful information. hope the market returns to normal.

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind feedback and for watching!

Question ; your focusing on brand new watches, but how about ones bought say a year ago and fully stickered; how do they fair vs current retail

Vinny's channel became the best place to get real, useful information.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Glad you think so! thanks for watching mate

@markq1312

2 ай бұрын

It's good to see a dealer being honest about prices.

Vinny great video! You didn’t mention the Celebration 41.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Ah yes the ‘paella vomit’ dial, really not a fan of the 41 version to be honest but it does still represent a big flip opportunity though is trading for much less than the discontinued tiffany now

First time watching this channel, and yeah a good video I was fortunate to but a DJ 41, Wimbledon,fluted,jubilee at my ad from rrp, I love it and it’s a keeper!

@vinnyfrancis

12 күн бұрын

Welcome aboard! and congrats on the DJ, i’ve had my choc rose dj41 for over 2 years now and it’s still stunning!

Insightful

What do you think of the sprite ?

There is a post on Trust Pilot saying Adam Lynch of Manchester Watch Hub has been arrested and bailed. Does anyone know if this is true.

Very very good video by Vinny !! Request mr vinney to make regular videos like this on weekly basis !!! Hats of to mr vinney 😊

Brilliant, fact and evidenced base work again. Vinny how to I get in contact with you?

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Hi david thanks for your kind feedback, feel free to to message our instagram or live chat through our website which will reach me directly, just search for ‘best the waitlist’

I just bought the GMT rolesor. Pass or keep to sell later? 😅

@stevecotterill7981

2 ай бұрын

A stunning watch. Keep it and enjoy it. 👍

Great video! Flip or pass is excellent!

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Thanks! more to come

Vinny, great video, but what about the Cermit/Starbucks? How come you didn’t cover that one?

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Couldn’t cover them all in one video, will cover soon…definitely still a big flip opportunity

@davidcrane7603

2 ай бұрын

Thanks, Vinny! I appreciate it.

Vinny, I would like to join a WhatsApp watch buying group to check on wholesale prices. Which one or two groups would you recommend, and how do I get into the group(s)?

Fantastic intel. Holding out hope this is the yr I get the call on my grail - the Exp II Polar. The ‘buy £100k to get the watch you want’ is amusing. No guarantees - AND it could be discontinued.

Call me crazy, I purchased my Gold Rolex last year as an award to myself for a life achievement. I cherish it and plan on keeping it forever, I didn’t buy it to flip. There must be something wrong with me.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Not at all that’s great and congrats! There are many however who are still buying to build a relationship so flipping watches they don’t want is an ongoing practice

can you explain how the ADs get watches allocated.. i have hard time to believe that they dont know what they will receive and that they have to pay for that inventory

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

I do believe the watches they receive is random but predictable based on their past deliveries, all i know for here in the UK that some stores get a LOT MORE stock than others particularly Manchester Trafford Centre is in the top 3 in the UK for deliveries

is now a good time to buy an older pepsi model on secondary market?

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

Sure thing, in the UK these can be picked up as low as £9000 now, personally i would prefer early 2000’s reference which will be more, I also prefer original bezels, lots have service bezels or non genuine ones so look out for that

What would a dealer pay for a Blue OP?

Could tell "the Guiness" would be a pass months back with how quick it came on the secondary market 😂

Lol no dealer is offering you 15k for a Pepsi, what drugs are you on friend lol

124060 in the US market also pays sales tax so one would be in for ~$10k. Dealers may offer like $10.5k but definitely trending down.

would love more vid like this

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

no problem we will make more!

@bo55ola

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancis oh wow wasn’t expecting that my brotha. Much love and thank you so much for such brilliant content. Looking forward to more videos like this Wishing you well in all you do!

Sadly no mention of the Batman GMT - Really interested to see where that sits - Go on Vinny, what’s your opinion? 🤩

@WestCoastAce27

2 ай бұрын

WatchCharts shows the prices starting back up. Probably BTC pump helping revive interest.

@therahgalleryart

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t buy a Batman unless I get one for 8500 and sell for 9500

Got a cuppa and the biscuits at the ready!

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

enjoy mate!

Haha. I just bought the Wimbledon 41 smooth and oyster. I passed on the fluted and jubilee. I just don’t like the “sparkly” look. But it will stay with me and will left to my kid(s).

@danielharris3180

2 ай бұрын

I'm collecting the two two fluted jubilee on Thursday, I'm a sucker for some bling but considering I hear the Wimbledon is a sought after dial it's only the steel fluted jubilee that is overlist, the rest are underlist. But anyway, buying for me to keep of course. Congrats on your new watch.

i'm dying for an airking (126900), and can't seem to get one from my AD. he's sold me a dj41 and root beer over the course of a year, but no airking in spite of waiting for more than a year. and i absolutely refuse to pay above rrp.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Ah a veryyyy underrated piece and much improved, we have one in stock brand new full set if you’re interested at under £7k, check out our website beatthewaitlist-watches.com

@russcornfield4241

2 ай бұрын

Great watch the Air King should be able quite easily to pick one up from the AD. Pop in regularly people who was on the list are turning watches down daily.

@user-yp6in8nl9z

2 ай бұрын

unfortunately i live in the united states@@vinnyfrancis

Is the no date Sub actually a pass ? That’s hard to believe.

even for those watches that are sitting at a loss, there aren't many watch brands at this price range than can still offer that percentage of the rrp being returned if you decide to get out of the watch. Imagine buying a two tone breitling at RRP and wanting to get out of it after a year of gently wearing 😮

That’s selling to grey dealers however grey dealers still charges well over retail which means don’t pass if yiu want the watch. Don’t buy it for investment or flip

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Yes thats true, you may also get more selling privately.

The Titanium YM is so boring/dull looking

where do you get those prices? show me one who will sell me new after buying from AD for less

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

LISTEN CAREFULLY TO THE VIDEO THESE ARE NOT SELLING PRICES THESE ARE WHAT DEALERS WOULD OFFER YOU AS A TRADE PRICE.

@zigadebenec8925

Ай бұрын

why would anyone sell it there, many sites where you can sell on your own

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

yeah, for the same or less😂

@zigadebenec8925

Ай бұрын

not true.

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

sorry who are you? do you work within the industry, if not then youre probably in no position to comment. If you want to deny facts then set up your own channel and spread that false information there@@zigadebenec8925

The Pepsi manufacturing issues are true. Have you not seen all the ones cracked during service? The blue does not bind correctly with the red.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

yet they’ve been manufacturing them since 2019? if it were such an issue why keep it running for 5 years

@gaffs82

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancisagain, rumours, but very few make the grade during the quality control process. It’s why they have changed the color 3 or 4 times since the relaunch. I know someone’s who’s cracked in warranty and he was given a different, less vibrant shade of blue. Look how that blue has got darker. Rolex have published a guide on the manufacturing process and how they are sintered. It is no coincidence that all the other GMTs are black - it is far easier to sinter once the primary color gets put on first. Just like when playing with paint- black covers anything. They have preserved because it’s the Pepsi - one of their icons.

The crazy part is in America the prices are not the same as England the gmt 2 two tone at the AD is 16,500 and in the grey market there asking 21,000 to 22,000 so you can stilll make a few bucks on that watch here so I’m confused the watch market is crazy

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Oh wow okay i’ve found that up to now the two uk and US markets are faulty similar, perhaps you haven’t had as many rapid retail increases as we have had much higher inflation?

@thomashelm6931

13 күн бұрын

​@@vinnyfrancismany Americans (including myself) forget that you refer to prices in £, about 20% more than our $. Thus, hearing " it's about 10000, we think $. We need to take that and add $2000 to get the equivalent cost. No notable price differential, actually.

Was offererd 8k for my space dweller last week 😂

100% flip on the RLX YM is more than the 70% on the 36mm turquoise…

retail prices have gone up so much

The only new Rolex I actually want at the moment is a 124060. The rest are vintage or neo vintage. I really think the ADs have shot themselves in the foot long term with how they've treated customers over the last 4 years. Now that the flippers are leaving in droves and the economy has meant less people have the disposable income to buy luxury items like this, the naive loyalty that some showed to their ADs in hopes of getting certain watches is drying up. Rolex as a brand will always be top dog with the way they maintain their market position, but the days of people bending over backwards and paying ridiculous sums of money for fairly ordinary watches in comparison to what you could buy for equal money are well gone. Perhaps them buying Bucherer is because they foresaw this happening.

I got offered 9.5k for a new Sub Non Date. But the formula is pretty simple: A) Is it popular? B) Is it a steel sportswatch C) is it a GMT If it's yes to the first two, probably a flip, if it's yes to all 3, 100% flip. Some exceptions are premium configs like DJ fluted jubilee with motif dial, or OP Celebration. Golden rule, anything two tone or solid PM is not a flip. Simple.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

from a uk dealer you got offered 10k? absolutely no chance mate when they’re selling for under that, not at all.

@danielharris3180

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancis my bad it was for 9.5k, memory failing me. But on consignment. Watchfinder & Co

@Chillguy849

2 ай бұрын

@@danielharris3180 Only on consignment ? How about outright purchase?

@conorlarkin1035

Ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancis cheapest one on Chrono24 today from a UK dealer for a 2024 is 10750

FLIP OR PASS???? What are you talking about? Rolex authorized dealers know what the watches are trading for in the secondary market and are keeping a profile and purchasing history for each customer and of course they are not going to sell watches that trade above Msrp to people without having a purchase history of supporting the brand and buying watches that trade below Msrp and flippers are going to be banned because of fear of losing the authorized dealership from Rolex suspecting they are in cahoots and being greedy with flippers!!!!!!

I would never sell my Rolex. I love my Rolex and I enjoy it. I wear it every day for good 10 to 15 hours. Thanks to my AD

Rolex sales dropped 25% in China and 19% in HK. Asia market is still trying to hold and cook the prices. Totally senseless.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

wow interesting

The market is finally returning to normal where people who actually want a watch may be able to eventually get the one they want.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

yes, don’t be afraid to put your name down for anything you like now

@Chillguy849

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancis Even for a Batman ?

Watches are only worth what somebody is willing to pay just like everything else.

Everyone a shyster and not a watch enthusiast. The “entrepreneurs” have slipped out beyond the confines of the pub back room. And of course the admiring comment from everyone you meet… “is it a fake?”

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 that last sentence is sooo true

£10k for a 2024 Root Beer steel & gold.

You forgot explorer?????

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

coming up on part 2 next week stay tuned!

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Excellent Video. Good to see some sensibility coming back to the market and in fairness I see it continuing to drop through the floor. The financial markets are going to be seeing a monumental crash towards Q4 with investment portfolios collapsing thanks to the interest rate holding with the BOE. Smart money is moving away from luxury goods. We’re going to see a drop like no other this year.

@vinnyfrancis

2 ай бұрын

Don’t think i would be quite this pessimistic, i think the outlook for the rest of the year is likely to be quite boring and stagnant

@WestCoastAce27

2 ай бұрын

@@vinnyfrancisvery likely. There’s a ton of wealth in the world. Most of the people getting layoff/redundancy aren’t Rolex buyers. Short of WWIII sideways is most likely. And BTC is pumping so young men may sell some off to get the watch of their dreams.

@seleb1539

2 ай бұрын

Momentum can cut in both direction.

You also have to include the taxes with the watch is originally purchased. That adds to the loss of a reseller offers retail.

This channel is a killer.

@vinnyfrancis

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your kind feedback and welcome! Please do subscribe

do not buy or support gray market like jomashop and scalpers.