I just carry a banana to eat and then use the peel as a sleep system when I'm done.

@cameronalexander359

5 жыл бұрын

Hahha.. that's gold!

@joero13

5 жыл бұрын

Hah you fool!, Bananas increase your base weight. I just eat what I find on the floor and sleep in a bears den.

@JEEROFUKU

5 жыл бұрын

kmonnier How lucky that you can squeeze yourself into banana peel. You probably super-strong tiny bloke, if you can carry whole banana yourself.

@rennie684

5 жыл бұрын

peel banana skin is health👳

@sarge27271

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome!!!! LMAO....got pics?

You should of just said, “I get so blazed that I fall asleep in the dirt”

Dude, that pad. You might as well just carry a pebble of equal weight to sleep on.

@Jordyssey

4 жыл бұрын

THAT

@alexherning1809

4 жыл бұрын

Its like one of those thin foam sheets they put in cardboard packages

just throw your quilt and tarp in your cargo pockets and you can ditch the pack all together! You are my hero Jup.

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

I see we both have been watching the same experiemental super extreme ultralight spiritual bushcraft videos. Clearly I need bigger pockets

@noah_lackey

5 жыл бұрын

someone make this the top comment lmao

@natekazemier8488

5 жыл бұрын

@@JupiterHikes $450 for those name brand xtra-light waterproof -20* with double the pockets and carbon fiber zip offs (bluetooth enabled are $599)

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

@@natekazemier8488 I found them at goodwill for 15, with the blue tooth

From the first time I started watching Jupiter’s channel I always got this sort of South American guerrilla solider vibes from him. Maybe it’s the beard or the button down shirts, I don’t know. But now that he wears a camo shirt and films his videos out in the sticks I feel like the transformation is almost complete. Love your content Jupiter. Keep up the good work.

@backpackingonline

5 жыл бұрын

I like the shirt you are wearing.. what is it?

I’m a middle-aged guy, and whenever I see some other middle-aged guy riding a Harley I think, gee, my hobbies aren’t so expensive. Same when I look at the price of camping trailers.

Would like to see your tarp setup for various weather conditions

@en7998

5 жыл бұрын

I just cant imagine what to do when you set up when it has already been raining, i.e. on wet floor

@jalmarivartola2286

5 жыл бұрын

@@en7998 You can very easily set up a tarp in a way where a part of it will become a floor/groundsheet, keeping your stuff dry(ish)

@sknyjohn

5 жыл бұрын

@@en7998 , that is what a ground sheet, made of polycro plastic or tyvek, does.

@brandonfoley7519

4 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see any of this stuff work

@ronniepaulinc

4 жыл бұрын

wake up half eaten by insects!

The UL cost “myth” is partly from Zpacks... $600 for the Duplex, $325 for the Arc Blast with no “options” 😳

@TinmanHikingShaun

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you ,took the words out of my brain. Lol it's a shame.

@RandyBest

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. No budget ultralight hiker has ever used anything with the word zPacks on it. Universally overpriced gear.

@TinmanHikingShaun

5 жыл бұрын

@@RandyBest ,it really is crazy that I bought a lil Eureka solo and was really pissed that I even thru a bill($100) at it. Because of all the single wall cuban fiber hype. Meanwhile after hearing countless people either having major condensation issues or customer service problems or a lead time that streches pass your end date ,I look at that lil 2.7lbs tent and smile. I know for a fact I'll be dry and safe in my heavy lil nylon tent. Don't think I can risk 700$ and a 5 mth trip to that tissue paper fad. Guess I'll never be cool. I'll try and get over it. Lol

@ChardOfMight

5 жыл бұрын

@@RandyBest Overpriced maybe, but you can't really argue with the quality... especially since he has one of their tarps

@ryckXattack

5 жыл бұрын

The only exception to this is the Nero. Well built, well priced.

I appreciate you sharing. Looks like this works well for you. As I've gotten older, I have tended to go more toward comfort. I'm carrying more, and moving slower. But it works for me.

What I love about Ultralight backpacking is that It forces the participant to change themselves rather than the objects around them. You're intentionally forcing yourself into a situation that reveals what you ACTUALLY need to be happy. Eventually most people, if persistent realize they value experiences over comfort and also realize many items in their pack are a hindrance preventing those experiences. Im thankful people like this guy bothered to spend some time talking about their experience to help inspire and motivate others 👍.

@davechittenden1657

5 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@cobbler88

5 жыл бұрын

Being uncomfortable is what makes for a dogshit "experience." It's wonderful to romanticize sleeping in the open air under the stars with nothing but a tarp above and basically a small footprint below ... until some real weather moves in, or the bugs begin to eat you alive, etc. If we just stick to the subject of this vid, he basically just compared apples to oranges to try to support his thesis. I think people would have been better served with more like comparisons, comparing less expensive tarps and frameless backpacks to what he carries, rather than completely different products then pointing out how he's doing it for less.

@oongieboongie

Жыл бұрын

Well lets be honest with ourselves, we'd have a better experience with a Nemo Tensor than a $20 foam pad. I definitely would.

@michael83479

11 ай бұрын

​@@cobbler88the whole point is that UL gear isn't like way more than traditional gear. My UL setup is about the same price range as my friends 25lb BW load out

@cobbler88

11 ай бұрын

@michaelnewton8347 IS that the point? The first savings was showing how much less expensive a UL pack can be vs. a somewhat pimped out pack thar no UL hiker would ever carry. The thesis is that UL gear doesn't have to be that expensive. If you want to prove that, then compare the UL gear that a lot of people are dishing out a lot of money for, with less expensive UL alternatives. He basically started by comparing a poop stick to a full sized shovel. 🤣

ok sure, but some of us actually enjoy hot meals, and not having the option of bugs crawling all over you while you sleep. oh and also sleeping on something that involves a pillow, and a mattress thicker than a sheet of paper

Jupiter, I absolutely love your videos and your attitude! I have ultralight gear, but at my age I need some comfort items to allow my old bones a good nights rest, so I can recover to hike the next day. At the end of my successful SOBO thru hike of the AT I was carrying 18-20 pounds total weight ( two days of food). I swapped out an air mattress for a Thermo Rest 1/4” closed cell foam pad. I would not even think of trying to sleep on that pad of yours. In 40 years please send me a note and tell me if you are still sleeping on that pad. I will be 102 and still Hiking I Hope! Keep posting great videos!

You're comparing apples and oranges. "My overpriced tarp is cheaper than a tent! Also, instead of an overpriced air mattress, I sleep on something thinner than a yoga pad!"

@JC-fj7oo

5 жыл бұрын

Right? I think he's missing the point that his ultralight tarp is far more expensive than a regular tarp.I think I paid 10 dollars for mine.

@davesdinnerz9243

5 жыл бұрын

That's the point, he is comparing apples and oranges. He's just showing that the orange can easily be the same price as the apple

@davesdinnerz9243

4 жыл бұрын

@630247365 or you could get a smart water bottle and it'll last you the entire trip while being just as light

@ssddpost

4 жыл бұрын

that tarp is mad expensive.

@mkeboyd

4 жыл бұрын

He did say he used a cheaper tarp at first that was still lighter than those tent options. Also I think you could just get a ridge rest for like $40-50.00 and you can cut it down. Still not crazy cheap. Also inflatable pillows can be cheap. Darwin found one that was cheap and still good.

Tx for the vid. "what works for you" is the truth. I need to carry many pounds more than you do to be comfortable. At first I though this vid was a genuine joke. I don't know how you can be comfy with that loadout, but if it works for you it works for you. Happy Trails Brotha'.

I love your videos! I’m a budget backpacker doing short trips (usually with my kids) and trying to keep the gear both light and affordable, which is tricky. I love your minimalist approach!!

@jibbyjabbatv

5 жыл бұрын

Marmot Kompresor , Puredown Packable Down Throw Sport Blanket, Mountainsmith Mountain Shade Tarp; can be had for less than 200$ total as a budget light weight option for the BIG3.

@no_peace

4 жыл бұрын

That's not "budget," sorry I can get a Coleman for $15 and $50. That's budget.

"Sleeping bag liners can cost upwards of $65. Or even more." lol

Illuminating ..thankyou! At nearly 53 I wouldn't want to be without my Thermarest neoair xtherm max XL at a pricy £200 and a very lightweigh popup umbrella I got from the charity shop for £2.50

Right on. People definitely overspend on tents and tarps can be cheaper than yours too. Your past video about tarps deserves a shoutout here. Rethinking our ideas of what a shelter should be is the main challenge. Also, not for thru-hiking but I'm surprised the SOL Escape Bivy hasn't become more popular as a UL option for shorter trips with overnight temps down to 10C/50F.

Great video! The big surprise is " the # of items carried". That is a great addition to your video. I am going to count the items on my list now!

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Nice I'm glad you enjoyed!! I hadn't even thought of that at first but when going back and fourth between so many gear lists and adding up all the prices it was just something I noticed more and more. The big 3 were often around the same price, but then they had an extra 30+ things

That is a nice setup! Hopefully I can try that soon. However, I don't think it's fair to compare Palante v2 against Atmos 65, we all know that Atmos 65 is built to carry more than 30 lbs, meanwhile, Palante v2 is geared towards minimalist. Just a thought.

@Aklcorp

Жыл бұрын

yeah I thought the same thing... at least compare it to something that has the same capacity... Atmos doubles the capacity not to mention the antigravity system you get from osprey and you can get it from amazon for $255 when its on sale

@michael83479

11 ай бұрын

​@Aklcorp ok but being UL yea you won't need to carry as much so ofc you'd want a smaller backpack. The atmos should be built to carry more since it's for traditional backpackers. It's definitely more expensive yes but even the osprey exos are same-ish price with the flash 55 being about $40 cheaper. Overall tho $240 is very much within the price range of traditional backpacks

I absolutely don't mind carrying 1-2 kilos more weight in order to prolong the age of my sleeping bag, sleep anywhere without feeling the ground, not get fucked in rain, avoid hypothermia, not have sweat soaking my back, keep an ergonomic posture, rely a 100% on my pack keeping my gear dry through weeklong monsoons, being able to do foodcarries for 1-2weeks, eat hot food when I feel like it, exercise my whole body, not sprain or break my feet, not get sick, enjoy nature without worries. It absolutely blows my mind that there are people out there who are willing to give all this up to save 2kgs of weight on their back. I am fascinated and amused that this has become quite the hobby for so many. Keep doing what you are doing, I sure as hell am happy for the ideas and that I only have to incorporate the ones that enhance my own hiking enjoyment. How the hell did you stay dry hiking the entire USA with a tiny ass tarp? I know it's really developed and easy trails with towns and help everywhere but dang does the wind never blow while it is raining?

I’m so glad you did this video. Nobody ever talks about the prices. I thought the popular text was the zpacks duplex. My pillow folds down real thin and I got it from wish for 2 dollars. But I see everyone using the same pillow this year and it is 35 dollars.

That exit off the beach chair got me good! I’m crying laughing 😂

My bag, 35 bucks on sale (combat bag) My tarp $25 Sleeping bag $35 Cool kit $15 for the set Point is I can not afford to spend more than $50 on any piece of gear. Ultra light is definitely more expensive. My whole pack is less than one piece of yours. Not trying to dog u either, love the channel and will upgrade to ultralight when I can.

@patrickgordon9893

5 жыл бұрын

my bag stole from my wife .. but cost £20 so does not count .. sleeping bag .. gerbera 3 season , second hand £ 5 .. ex Belgian army bivy bag £ 10 .. im sure you get the message improvised and buy second hand .. where I live north of England , even in summer I want a 3 season bag .. .nothing worth than a cold night ..

@innocentiuslacrim2290

5 жыл бұрын

Normally if you do not go for the lightest you can find something that is very good for a decent price. Tarp is a good example for that. I think also that much of the weight difference comes from the 27 items contra 40+ items issue and if you look for 27 decent price items then you save some more. As an ex military person I find much of the discussion about backpacking overly technical. I even saw a discussion just yesterday when someone was asking suggestions for an ultralight knife that he would only use to cut cheese or salami... And he had 60 or so replies when I checked the thread.

I appreciate your philosophy. The video you made where you showed that baggie full of tags and clips that you've removed from gear really helped me focus my mind on the hike and not the gear. I think that point is subtly demonstrated here also. Thanks. It's always great to see a new video from you.

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Hey I'm glad someone liked that! I remember years ago comparing my gear to anyone and everyone just to see if they did something I felt was better than me. Coming across one guy with a stupid light pack, one thing stood out. He had modified every last single thing he carried in some way. Not a single item was left untouched. It just rang in my ear not to be a crazy person, but to be more conscious about what I do carry. For most the big picture is what's important, but the tags and like is the small picture illustrating the same idea.

@seesfractals2462

5 жыл бұрын

I think you have a philosophy of mindfulness about what you carry. Practicing that philosophy (like clipping tags, etc.) informs the quality of the big picture, at least it does me. That's an example of how your channel has helped me. Tons of gear videos out there but yours are always so centered and practical. That's what I love about your channel. You're a yogi and don't even know it.

Always appreciate seeing your ultralight gear. Why not use a metalic windshield cover as a sleeping pad instead of that foam? It would be just as thin, and reflect your body heat.

@lukestenson4741

5 жыл бұрын

Dudette, that's a great idea!

Day hike out of the Shenandoah valley, oodles of trails within 40 minutes, old Mtn. Hardware runner’s pac, perhaps my mini filter, and a bite to eat. Many times with nothing at all. Sleep in my comfy bed and shower each night. Ride my maxi scooter to and fro. My biggest expense is footwear. It’s great! Gotta enjoy the walk or you’re missing it. Happy Trails!

which version of the pa'lante is that? 16 or 19?

I’ve watched a few of your videos and want to say thank you for taking the time to share, my fav piece of advice so far has been the 1$:1Mile of hiking ratio to help save money, great thinking. I was wondering about water filtration, do you just fill-up in towns and creeks that are fast flowing and just avoid filtration all together?

Question: How do you keep all the "creepy crawleys" off you whie you're sleeping?

@user-yv2cz8oj1k

4 жыл бұрын

Mummy bag cocoon, then they just crawl over your face.

@turbo6266

4 жыл бұрын

You denaturalise the area. That is to say, kick away all the leaves and sticks. That is really OP. Also, choosing a good area is also good. That means somewhere where there isn't much dirt.

@ernststravoblofeld

4 жыл бұрын

Get in your bag? Hammock?

Makes a lot of sense! Gear load outs are highly personal what works for one person may not work for another. But overall your info makes a lot of sense!

How do you use to filter your water? I may have missed it, but did not see it on your gear list.

We gonna talk about how much that lawn chair weighs?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Oh shoot my camp chair I forgot

@Themology

5 жыл бұрын

That was such a plot twist at the end of the video haha

@dirtyteeth0

5 жыл бұрын

Those damn Schill Bros are getting to everybody with this camp chair stuff 😂

@MrTmax74

5 жыл бұрын

lol

@williambrennan7794

5 жыл бұрын

I love my chair. 1lb

Wish I had a cool red tab on my palante , excellent video spot on! I started with the 65 atmos that I put everything I could fit in lol

Jupiter how do you stay warm in alpine with a thin pad like that?

I like the general message of this video - people do often start out with too much stuff and there are definitely places where money - and weight - can be saved. Just a note about Osprey backpacks - the rain cover is included when you purchase your Osprey pack. Also, I lost the rain cover three years after I bought the pack and Osprey sent me a new one, free of charge, and I didn't even have to pay for shipping.

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

That's awesome! I didn't know that. I more meant using that pack as just an example. My first pack was a kelty 75L and I had to buy a pack cover for it. I should have more so directly used myself in the place of just more modern options. But I think that would be less relatable even if less anger inducing haha the overall point being simply backpacking doesn't have to be expensive. I am not the cheapest also not the most expensive! Some spend less than 500 some spend closer to 5,000

awesome setup! tried this out on a trail near my house and set my personal best time! the only differences was my pack and my water bottles. Instead of the Pa'lante v2 I used an old GoLite pack of mine. And I used smart water bottles because I had some on hand. great set up overall!

Jupiter, you seem to be very upbeat happy-go-lucky as a person and your sleeping mat choice confirms for me - you also carry this attitude into everything in life and are happy-sleep-lucky with a thin darn pad! :) Whatever works for you. I certainly spent more money on an extra thick pad because I want to stay on the trail, and sleeping well is what I need. Thanks for the video.

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the kind comment! I am certainly happy go lucky most of the time and just enjoy being out there! The pad is definitely not the most comfortable but ya know if I found a sweet pile of leaves I probably wouldn't want the pad at all ;) All personal preference and I recognize this is not the most popular of videos due to my direct comparisons but am still happy with it anyway. Thanks again for the level response!

I just carry a shovel and a straw. When the weather turns bad I just dig a hole, jump in it, cover it over and use the straw to breathe through until the weather passes. Works a treat!

@darthkek1953

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, in that case I'd better stop farting in the straws I see randomly sticking out of freshly-dug mud.

Nice touch, that camping chair at the end...

Love your video !!! Great points made 👍🏼😎😎

What do you do for bugs?

Do you use a ground sheet or bivvy?

Hey Jupiter, what’s your thoughts on the infamous hyperlite packs? Love your videos glad to have recently stumbled upon your page

The best inflatable pillow is the bladder out of a Starbucks coffee box.

@alexhearing3689

5 жыл бұрын

You have just blown my mind. Gonna try and snipe one from work after a meeting before it gets tossed!

@crr5699

4 жыл бұрын

How much does it weigh?

@darthkek1953

4 жыл бұрын

This is the old "the bladder from a box of wine" festival trick.

@brandonfoley7519

4 жыл бұрын

He takes living like a homeless to the next level

Man I really need to try tarp camping! Nice vid, man!

Great video.Enjoyed it very much !!!!

The only problem I have with tarp camping is bugs. Is there a way to deal with them when tarp camping?

Thanks for the video man, I'm gonna add up my gear later, I hate to think:)

Really enjoying your videos from Broward County! :) By the way, you can tell you were raised right!

Do you only use an OPsak as your food bag? Did you have any problem with critters chewing into it on the PCT?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

No problems with critters and the OPsak ever!!! I may be an outlier but I dunno. One time on the FT I dealt with ants, but they didn't get into it. Just kind of swarmed it.

Such a good video! I have been thinking about this crazy price difference for a while. Pocket rocket (plus fuel, pot, etc. vs peanut butter jar.)

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Or an alcohol cat food can stove! I think it's easy to spend big bucks. It's hard to put in the research and avoid that. Which is maybe why this topic is so polarizing

Great Video. Thanks for sharing.

That's great! I wish I could start all over.

Wow this is really helpful video! Can you shoot a video how do you set up that tent tarp? Thank you!

Minimalism in Ultralight Backpacking or just everday life is key in my opinion. Its not about how much or how little, its about being intentional in all that you do. Good stuff dude...🤙

@spicecrop

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it's almost as cool as being a homeless bum. No thanks, comfortable on the trail in exchange for miserable at camp when you need to get good rest.

@TheUltralightMindset

5 жыл бұрын

@@spicecrop Being "intentional" with your gear choices shouldn't result in being uncomfortable in camp or loss of sleep. Everyones level of comfort is different. Its all about finding exactly what gear YOU need for a safe and successful hike and then stripping away the nonessentials. IMHO

@michael83479

11 ай бұрын

​@@TheUltralightMindsetyea people always mention being miserable at camp. I'm like how? I have a nice tent very comfy inflatable air pad, quilt, and my phone and ear buds. What else do I need? I can read or listen to music/podcasts or just relax and usually I'm not spending much time in camp either so why bring things I won't need.

Needed this! PCT’20 in the works😎

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

A little research goes a long way! Though this video is not intended to be the end all be all the point illustrated is not to be hasty, but instead go in with a plan, and buy exactly what you want saving on the extras

That pack seems so tiny! It might be a challenge for a beginner like me to fine tune my gear enough to fit comfortably in that bag. The waterproof material and relatively reasonable price are very appealing I will say, compared to the other durable, waterproof UL packs I've looked into. Awesome video!!

Ultralight refers to your wallet after you buy into the mantra.

What’s your considerations about hammock?

Great presentation.

Marmot Kompresor , Puredown Packable Down Throw Sport Blanket, Mountainsmith Mountain Shade Tarp; can be had for less than 200$ total as a budget light weight option for the BIG3 coming in at less than 4lbs.

Enjoyed the video keep up the good work be blessed

Do you have the 16?

In my case, the lightweight “backpackers” are ALWAYS borrowing my gear, food, everything. I like your channel.

Really like your videos and dig your style dude

Not sure here, but will the ultralight backpacker have to replace gear more often?

@cobbler88

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColbyBaber Are they, though? I know some are, but whenever we watch the end-of-trip vids, we hear about how they mailed this back, picked that up, changed packs at X destination, etc. They're changing up their loads. And a lot of them are getting gear for free. I'd also like to see how this pack holds a mandated bear canister. I think the shorter answer to the original question is that it depends on how much you're using the gear. UL or not, if you're only car camping or hiking only about 25 miles a year (which is more than most people, to be honest), whatever you get is likely going to last quite awhile.

I get where you are coming from and importantly you are encouraging people to think about their pack loads. One thing I would like to ask as I have no experience with quilts but am very interested, I was led to believe that quilts were specifically designed to use in unison with inflatable sleep pads as the pad provides the insulation from below and the quilt provides the upper insulation?

It's a mind game we play with ourselves; what get hikers in trouble is playing the "what if game" in which your gear start growing as well as cost...this is where experience comes in and each item should have multiple use. I do have a few of those no, no items but managed to keep my base weight to 9lbs or less but this is always a process I'm going through.

How, exactly, are quilts superior to sleepingbags? Don't they let the heat out?

Thank you for this video. I have said for a very long time that if someone buy lighter gear in the same comparative price range, light gear will be cheaper than traditional gear. Of course, high end light gear will be much more expensive than budget traditional gear, but those who buy budget traditional gear should compare that to budget light gear. The only thing I found is really more expensive is a sleeping bag/quilt. As soon as down is used, it will be expensive, if it's syntetic, then basically lighter is colder... and still not very light.

@darylgud7601

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel h if you are a dyi guy the Costco quilt is down filled and only costs 20.00 dollars. with a little imagination it is all you need.

@MrDanAng1

5 жыл бұрын

@@darylgud7601 I know of that quilt, or rather blanket, but we don't have Costco in Europe. The best alternative here is buying from AliExpress, the cheapest ones there is about $70-ish price range. They are claimed to be 800 cuin. In stores here, I might find something for double that money if I'm lucky, but that will be 5-600 cuin down, so I can as well buy a synthetic bag of good quality instead, it make more sense. But then I think it's not really a budget alternative anymore, not even for Europe!

@darylgud7601

5 жыл бұрын

Do you have a "Bed, Bath and Beyond"? They have them their under the double diamond brand.

@darylgud7601

5 жыл бұрын

Aaron, I am 6'4" tall and the one size fits all world of backpacking equipment, really does not work for me. What I did with the two quilts that I got from Costco is used one of them to extend the other, so I could fit in it. The quilts are 12 squares long, so I used 4 of those squares to extend the quilt. I made a foot box on the bottom of the quilt, by sewing on a long tube and running some paracord through it. Then up the quilt for about a foot. That way if I loosen the cord I can have a blanket as well. With 4 more squares I mad booties that go up to about my knee and the last six squares is a mini quilt. with a few extra loops I can attach it to the top quilt over my mid section. so it is like putting two sleeping bags together if really could. with a puffer jacket, I was good down to 9 degrees. The whole thing weights under 2lbs. Even if the outer layer gets a little wet the inner layer keeps you warm. Most of time with the booties I keep toasty warm. I would much get up in the night out of a quilt than a sleeping bag anyway. If I only need the top quilt it is just over 16 0z.

How do you manage staying warm in cold alpine temps?

@TNFlies

3 жыл бұрын

He def uses different gear. I recommend layering with an undershirt, fleece, down, then a windshell/rainjacket. Then for the pants just have thermals, pants and wind/rain pants.

what do you carry for cooking/eating supplies?

@valentin2869

5 жыл бұрын

I think he cold soak his food

What’s that sleeping pad? Is that for a dog my dog could probably go from a full sized self inflated sleep pad to that but would he like to sleep curled up 🤔

I think it has a lot to do with a sense of safety and lack of experience. The worst "enemy" on the trail in my experience is a worried mind, and you need to have some time and experience to comfort and educate that poor mind :) Until my mind is more educated I stay with my Hilleberg tent, neo air mattress.. and the list GOES ON. Looking forward to the day when I would feel safe under a tarp etc!

I wouldn't hike this light, but I enjoy your channel and concept. It's nice to see or explore other possibilities. Great job!

@michaellorenzen8200

7 ай бұрын

why not ?

How many days can you go with this much? Is this only really suitable for popular walking tracks? What about clothing and food? Cheers

@jalmarivartola2286

5 жыл бұрын

This list is for "base weight", or the stuff that stays the same in the pack. Clothes, food and water all vary in weight pretty significantly depending on what point of the hike youre in, how long youre going, what the weather is like, how available drinking water is, etc. etc. but you'll pretty nearly always have the same food preparation system, the same backpack, the same sleep system/shelter for the whole trip. Also he said he has done 7000 miles with a kit like this so its definitely viable for long distance.

@Jamie-vp2yb

5 жыл бұрын

@@jalmarivartola2286 thanks for the reply.. I get that he has his base set up, but i'm asking about how long he can stay out on the trail without having to go grab food from towns all the time. Would this setup be appropriate for off trail hiking where you need more food and better durable gear maybe?

I like the Gossamer Gear Mariposa...60 liters, super lightweight, versatile, durable, but with all the bells and whistles, that you may or may not need, without any added weight.

What about water purification/filtration?

Great video my friend. I think a more fair comparison instead of using your tarp since it takes a lot of skill, would be comparing a Zpacks Dyneema Composite tent. I don’t know of anybody that is ultralight that does not use Dyneema. Be blessed. John

I like UL backpacking. It's fun, convenient and, of course, it's light. However I think your thinking applies right just for summer season or hot climates. I'm Italian and usually go for backpacking trip in the Alps. Say what you want about the materials and the weight but there are no chances you're gonna be well warm and protected from snow, rain and wind in the Alps with not-so-expensive UL equipment. For example a tarp is nearly useless when you get caught in a storm at 1500 m, or if you go for a hike in spring or autumn when night temperature are low and wind blows cold. Other example, the trekking poles tent of zpack duplex are not totally safe in the alps where you better have a "heavy-duty" geodesic tent, which is stronger and heavier. I guess that's the reason why UL is not so popular yet in Europe

Another great video :)

Thank you😊💜

I've got my pack weight down to about 30 lbs over the years. Sometimes 25, sometimes 35. I carry things I need, and things I might need. With an ultralight and minimalist approach, I'm sure I could get the weight lower, but I'm not really interested. A lot of people like hiking for the sake of walking. Some really like walking, and try to keep weight as low as possible. I have never understood hiking dozens of miles on an established trail. Seems to me there are more sights to be seen off the trails. Some trails take you near something interesting, but it takes some bushwhacking to get to the good stuff. If doing any kind of exploring, you like the peace of mind that comes with having the gear you might need. If going for distance, on an established trail and with good weather, I like your gear. I might take some notes from you when summer comes around. I would throw in some tacks and a mosquito net.

And it's still working most gear is shot after one thru hike can u touch on that Jupiter ?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Sure! I used my jacket for 8000 miles and have still yet to replace it. I am soon but I don't think I fully need to. My backpack lasted me 6000 miles and still had a lot more life in it, i just got a new one for free. I think a lot of that is how people treat their gear. Or considering something shot when it could be sewn. There's a hiker lil buddah who has used the same pack for 16,000 miles. Some companies certainly make less durable gear but that's not true for all!

Serious question and without any criticism, just wanting some insight: how do you protect yourself from rain with the tarp? Obviously the tarp covers rainfall, but wouldnt the rain flow to underneath it and eventually to your bedding?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

I have never ever had that experience but generally with a tarp or even a tent you would want to find moderately higher ground even if that means simply not sleeping in a depression. An advantage a tent has in this case is that you can set it up virtually anywhere(among other things), but at the cost of the weight. pros and cons to both! whatever suits the individuals hiking style

@STCxiN10CiTyy

5 жыл бұрын

JupiterHikes Makes sense. Thanks for the quick response!

I will never give up my neo air or pillow...I've fallen in love with my camp chair too

Foam pads don’t really work for me since I backpack in the Sierra’s a lot and setup on granit

Hey what would you recommend for trail shoes now that the new balance are discontinued

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly I don't know! I'm not even sure I'd recommend these, but I'll stick with them until my supplies run out. Looking at what I like and want most in a shoe and trying to find that elsewhere. Could very likely be more new balance. I've been testing sandals, and generally just trying to find that exact preference like I have with the rest of my stuff. Shoes being a bit more nuanced and complicated I can't say I have them as dialed in.

@isaacmacers

5 жыл бұрын

@@JupiterHikes thanks

@stuminnis4050

5 жыл бұрын

New Balance has reissued the shoe...or basically an updated version of the same thing. It's called the 10v1 Minimus and it retails for $115. Back by popular demand.

@dcaudwell

5 жыл бұрын

Not really! The MT10v1 reissue is a reissue of the MT10v1 !!! The MT10v4 was 3 versions later (!) and has more cushion underfoot, a slight heel to toe drop, a burrito tongue and is made of different materials - it's an entirely different shoe! In fact, the now defunct v4 was fine for medium mileage (and for some people for long-distance hiking) whereas the v1 is too minimal for most - great for dayhikes and foot-training but not ideal for thruhikes.

Great video! I think it's important for people to remember that any pack setup is going to be highly personalized. That said, this is a great starting point for figuring out your own needs. I would say most people bring too much and you can't un-spend money. It's way easier to have a light setup w/ a little extra pack space and grow and figure out what you need on weekend trips. I think Jupiter has demonstrated this clearly. Don't buy 2000.00 worth of stuff, never touch it, and then get confused when you feel like you need more on a long-distance hike. Practice. Things you thought were important you won't even touch in 5 days. If that's the case, you probably don't need it. As for sleeping setups. I noticed a lot of confusion and I definitely think his "sleeping pad" is pretty extreme. But it brings up an important point. If he had a full size roll up pad and a tent, he would probably need a bigger pack too. By having smaller gear (weight isn't the only factor), your pack can be lighter and more compact. I wouldn't use a pad that small with a nice quilt like that though. He is losing a lot of heat through the ground, unless he is padding down leaves every night. That said; I'm sure it has more to do with simplicity for him. Having less stuff is nice even when you aren't actively hiking. There is a lot to think about. Most of us "ultralighters" are just trying to teach people to be a bit more open to having less. You may need you cushy sleeping pad, but there are likely many things you have that you don't need. Happy trails

@cobbler88

5 жыл бұрын

I think what he demonstrated is that if you compare apples and oranges, you can support your thesis. I'm not convinced he's doing the big hikes with that small pack and basically a fair-weather setup.

@michael83479

11 ай бұрын

​​@@cobbler88he is. You can look at his 6.6lb bw for the pct which includes camera equipment. Also how is it apples to oranges? He compared his UL load out compared to a more traditional one

@cobbler88

11 ай бұрын

@michaelnewton8347 Right off the bat he compares his UL pack with a 4-plus pound Atmos 65, which is not a UL backpack.

Interesting vid. I'm not ultralight, and my gear load without water and food runs right under 30 on an average trip. Man I can't get over the cost! I paid a grand for my daily driver car. :-) I'm admittedly not a gear snob, but my whole rig was $400, and that's with a $215 sleeping bag.

did you use the tarp on the cold mountain trails like PCT? I see how it could be good for FL, but as a fellow Floridian I think I'd freeze with no minimal wind protection. I really appreciate this video! Over the 2 years I have been accumulating camping gear, and all the 'guides' online all list the same top dollar brands. I will look into smaller companies when I can. Thanks for the input!

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

The tarp can be stapled to the ground to protect from anywhere the wind is coming from. The different ways of setting it up is a big plus to the shelter! I did use it in the Sierra but frankly I cowboy camped every night but one!

I like this video, my only negative comment... I guess it doesn't rain horizontally where he hikes, not sure about the tarp. Also... mosquitos, no way I'd go hiking without a tent / net, unless I misunderstood what a tarp shelter is. I would also count shoes as part of the deal.. I have a $60 pair of boots that weighs more than his pack and a $300 hiking pair.

@SpaghettiToaster

4 жыл бұрын

This is strictly for perfect conditions.

@MrFucktard12345

4 жыл бұрын

Ive never gotten wet camping in a tarp. Ive seen quite a few bivy and tent failures though.

@brandonfoley7519

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrFucktard12345 bullshit

@brandonfoley7519

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrFucktard12345 don't even try to tell me that with half the material you provide twice the coverage?

@MrFucktard12345

4 жыл бұрын

@@brandonfoley7519 i havent gotten wet once. Been camping in Colorado , cali, new mexico and texas with a tarp. 25 plus trips no failures. Its all about placement as well knowing proper knots and knowing to drop the height of the tarp during less adequate conditions. Ive shared my sleeping bag before because my friends bivy failed after only a few seasons. I used the same tarp for 6 and only retired it because my good buddy got us a new one. People get complicit with tents and assume they can plop it down whereever and end up in a gully. Not to mention the perspiration issues in many tents that can get you near soaking within ten hours of sleep.

how long have you been using the tarp?

@JupiterHikes

4 жыл бұрын

6 years and 8000 miles!

Doesn't sleeping under a tarp with that teeny pad suck when the ground is wet tho?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

I use a thin groundsheet to separate me from the ground, so its pretty much the same as a tent

@youreworthyourweightinavoc7189

5 жыл бұрын

@@JupiterHikes ok... you never get any condensation from below? How do you go with bugs and whatnot? I have a tarp but not so stoked about the idea of bugs and snakes coming to sleep with me

As a more traditional backpacker. I think this idea of ultralight costing more is both correct and wrong. Yes, if you are hiking a trail somewhere that is generally warm where nighttime temperatures are not expected to be bellow freezing, you can of course sleep on a thin mat. You can get by with only a shirt and a jacket. I think most hikers bringing tonnes of extra stuff on these trips are doing themselves a disservice, both in terms of carry weight and equipment cost. And these are the kinds of conditions most people go backpacking in. I think I would like a full-size toothbrush and spoon, extra socks, clean underwear for at least every couple days, and some way to warm my food, but I think i would pack pretty light. However, when temperatures go under -10 C, and you need a good sleeping mat, you need extra layers, and you need additional dry clothes, it suddenly becomes very hard to keep your pack under 10lb. And if you want to try you have to pay steep prices for specialty ultralight gear. Not to mention that the risks involved in forgoing certain items skyrocket. I dont even know if its possible to go ultralight in those conditions safely. I think the least amount of gear i have seen someone bring was a wool quilt, an axe, a fire starter, a canteen that doubled as a cooking vessel and a food sack. In that case i think the axe was almost 10 lbs alone. I might just be coming at this from the wrong angle as I mostly go out camping in colder weather. I might also be missing out on the difference between camping and backpacking as english isn't my first language.

Im certainly not UL, lets see how i compare; Nemo hornet 2 tent -$280 on sale Thermarest neoair - $170 Hyke & Byke 0F Eulis sleeping bag - $200 Osprey atmos backpack - $190 $840 total for just that. Seems like a lot but i didn't buy it all at once. And still WAY less than Z packs stuff. I think UL is more about being minimalist than getting expensive stuff. Anyone can be UL if they leave a bunch of stuff behind.

What about a bug screen? how do you sleep outside in climates with tons of bugs?

No disrespect at all, but what is the difference between putting grommets on a regular or light weight tarp vs your over $200 dollar tarp?

@yukimasaheppe1079

5 жыл бұрын

And thank you in general for your solid advice👍

Do you think a poncho tarp could be better than a 7 x 9 flat tarp and rain jacket?

@JupiterHikes

5 жыл бұрын

No I dont, that's why I switched from a poncho back to a 7x9 and rain jacket! I think in certain environments yes but its way more situational. The PCT for example would be great since you dont really need either. Anywhere else I'd rather have a bigger tarp, and full jacket for warmth.

@misopaste5680

5 жыл бұрын

JupiterHikes 💜 ty