*Get The No Deflection Universal Stop Block, Suizan Saws and Dovetail Jigs at The Katz-Moses Store-* bit.ly/KMWstore20 *T-Track 48”* lddy.no/iis6 *T-Track 36”* lddy.no/iitm *T-Track 24”* lddy.no/iiwu *Very Easy 1 Runner Crosscut Sled* kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJ-tl8xpp9falqg.html *Tamar’s Super Sled-* kzread.info/dash/bejne/f5eMrNqSfLvXXag.html *5-Cut Method Formula* ((A-B)/4)/Length of Final Offcut = Error Per Inch E.P.I. x Length from Pivot Screw To End of Fence = Total Distance you Move Fence If Positive # - Move Away from User If Negative # - Move Towards User *Here's a link to two 5 cut Method Calculators Sent by Viewers to Help Out* The second one starts with my numbers from the 2nd try in the video so you can compare what I did to yours. windridgewoodcrafts.com/topics/five_cut/ docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G_j9__xYZN9IzWCciH8W2MTggQJUVJKUkTU6iNy1XVY/edit#gid=0

@skredfam

3 жыл бұрын

Great video! Thanks for trying to simplify the 5-cut method. Not sure how the pricing worked out a year ago, but for July 2021 the POWERTEC T-Track (same profile & predrilled holes) is very competitively priced. I don't work or advertise for them, and would prefer to support the little guy whenever possible. T-Track 24" smile.amazon.com/dp/B07FF1Q16Q/ T-Track 36" smile.amazon.com/dp/B07FF29M4Y/ T-Track 48" smile.amazon.com/dp/B07FF6S889/

@tommycocke8279

2 жыл бұрын

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@frankschlehofer6517

Жыл бұрын

fyi I have a sawstop and emailed support and they said aluminum miter rails were fine since they are not touching the blade, so I installed aluminum rails and no problem

@jorgecastro8757

4 ай бұрын

Jonathan, I am confused by this formula. Not by the math but thr recommendation on direction to move the fence. Your two links seem to contradict each other about which direction to move fence based on pivot point and sign of error. I think the one you present in this video might be the incorrect one. The first link is correct but second link pointing to a Google spreadsheet seems to be incorrect about direction of fence. This is all under the assumption that away from user means forward and towards user means backwards as far as moving the fence.

Thanks for all the kind words ☺️☺️

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

You deserve more you maniac!

@ryanallthewiser

4 жыл бұрын

You two rock!

@fermp3690

4 жыл бұрын

Well deserved praise for Tamar

@joncesaro892

4 жыл бұрын

Tamar is ridiculous! Amazingly creative, if only my mind could get remotely close

@gregorycampbell1148

3 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools Will your stop block work with the Kreg's Top Trak and measuring tape?

Absolute love the “we don’t hide our mistakes”. There are so many times when I feel defeated by a project so hearing these pros talk about their mistakes is really motivational in those times.

@LeoTheHuman

3 жыл бұрын

I also love the fact that he mentions how to fix it post-factum and how to avoid it in the first place. Very well spent 15 minutes on this video!

To take the play out of the runners, just iron on a strip of melamine edge banding to the edges of the runners, trim off the excess and sand the edges. When waxed, the edge banding also runs smoothly. If slightly tight, just sand each side that was edged. Works for me. This is a good video and great for newcomers to woodworking!! Cheers from Australia.

Have to agree with Jonathan-Tamar is fantastically creative and clever.

Finally ordered my stop block, don't know what I've been waiting for. Your videos have been so helpful over my last few years of woodworking, I appreciate all of the info you've been providing along the way!

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

YES!

In the process of building my crosscut sled, was coming back to this video to review and just ordered the stop block, and a saw with a set of dovetail jigs :) Thank you for the videos they are always my favorite

I'm always amazed by the quality of plywood in videos. Even my woodworkers source does not carry ply with this many layers and no voids.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Look for Baltic Birch. WAY better than plywood.

@bradwatson2085

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking this exact same thing!

Guys, Moses, Tamar ( 3x3 Custom ) , & Jason Hibbs ( Bourbon Moth Woodworking ) are the strongest You Tube channels to follow. I've been doing construction for over 22+ years and they have humbled me happily. With their ability to teach an old dog new tricks. Using Katz 5 cut calculator on his web site and Tamars sled blueprints. I got my sled squared down to 1/512". I am so damn excited. I could write a short story about the impact these 3 have had on me, but I'll simply say, " Thank you guys "

Johnathan, EXCELLENT tip on shimming the runner in or out to maintain a snug fit! I actually cut my runners slightly under-width and just shim towards the inside of the slots (the outsides are not parallel on my junky table saw...) and always end up with a snug fit on my sleds. I use cutting board material for my runners. It stays slippery and doesn't wear down. That stop block of yours is pretty amazing!

I just made a new crosscut sled and will try this method. Had to get one of your stop blocks as well and it is excellent!

Loved the way you broke down the 5 cut method. It definitely intimidated me before, but seeing it done in the way you did it makes it seem much more approachable. Thank you, I will definitely be adding a no deflection stop block when I make a sled!

@ScottMcWorks

4 жыл бұрын

Graydon, make sure to check out the spreadsheet that I created. Jonathan links it in the notes below the video. It'll do all the calculations for you and tell you to move the fence forward or backward and by how much!

Appreciate the precision that goes into your work, and the effort that goes into your videos. Nice work!

I have watched over 30 videos on crosscut sleds. I blame a combination of COVID boredom and my dissatisfaction with the first one I built several years ago and no longer have. I have to say that THIS is the best one I've seen. It's not the fanciest, by any means. In fact it is exactly the right amount of fancy. Plus it was clear, straightforward, and well produced. Thanks!

William Ng cuts a blunt wedge on the front of his scrap wood to give a more positive interface with the feeler gauge. On the last sled I made I over did this and made that angle too tight which defeated the object as the point was a wee bit flakey, and I ended up needing two goes to get the fence down to .02mm after sanding the wedge to make the pointy bit firmer. However I am thinking that the next time I do this I'll use a DTI to measure the deflection as it is a) more accurate, and b) shows any movement when inserting the screw. I always clamp the fence before drilling and screwing, but even putting on the clamp can cause movement. A lot of engineering tools like DTIs, and 1-2-3 blocks can be super useful in a wood shop. I use 1-2-3 blocks to extend the range of my digital calipers for instance.

@neilbarnwell

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to use a corner on a 1-2-3 block when I make my next one.

Thanks Mr. Katz-Moses!!! I used your method to make my first cross-cut sled and got -0.0005 :) I’ll call it good enough!

Just bought stop block - can’t wait to built the sled. Thanks for the video.

Waiting on the stop block. When it gets here this is the sled I build. Thanks Jonathan!

I really enjoyed and learned a lot from your video. Just finished my sled using your stop block and now will spend time to make sled square with fence. Can’t believe that after all these years I did not have a sled with the features to make the work more precise and enjoyable. Thank you...love your stop block. Bob

@Ed-ju5il

3 жыл бұрын

I respectfully love your last name.

Yesterday I was chasing 90 degrees with no luck and realized I forgot to divide by 4. Today I got back at it and got to 0.00104 using playing cards. Thanks for the instruction!

When I made mine I predrilled a series of pocket holes on the fence. I used one or two to get it square (5 cut method) then fastened it down with the remaining holes.

For those in Australia like me, ordered my stop block on Sun. 13th Feb. Arrived today, Tuesday 2nd March. THAT is impressive service!

Picked up your stop block. It is great quality and well thought out for use. now time for patients on the 5 cut method.

Excellent, I was just thinking I needed to make a full sled. Time to buy another stop-block.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Nice! And yes I believe it is time.

I just got a KM stop block today and then I checked and this video came out. I need to make a cross cut sled too. The KM channel knows all.

I bought one of JKM's stop blocks, and love it....if you don't have one...get one!!!

Simple and beautiful!

Just Got my stop block in the mail and Love thanks!!!

By far the best explanation of how to do this that I have seen. Im off to the shed

got my KM stop block a few weeks ago...can't wait to build this sled!

JKM, great video. I just got your stop block and will be using a combination or your and Tamar's videos to make my sled. My two favorite woodworking MoTs. Please keep the good stuff coming!

Finally building my new fence using your video, and your stop that I got from The Builder's Challenge. Can't wait to finally have a decent sled!

Great Video. Much appreciate you helping those new to woodworking

The shimming the runner trick before attaching just saved me the same mistake. Thank you!!

Great video and instructions. I'll be getting a new table saw next weekend. This will be one of my first projects after squaring up the saw.

I have never made a cross cut sled watched your video and on my first re move of the fence got it to .001 ! Thanks man!

Jonathan I love your videos and just ordered the stop block! I like your quick pace! Keep the videos coming!

Just got my stop block today.. works great 👍

Bought a Katz Moses stop block. I LOVE it. Best stop block by a country mile! Very reasonable price, too. The stop block has as much integrity as the creator and that's saying a lot!

Excellent explanation and the calculations work perfectly.

I love how all of builders/content creators support and give each others shout out and props!

@jeffcoh3440

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they are all Stacking each other’s backs

And just like that the salesman for red t track was jobless!!! Great video as usual. I love my stop block and Tamars videos.

Great vid. Built Tamar’s multi-sled today and used your 5 cut method and got .0012 after first adjustment. Sold me on the stop block. Can’t wait to try it!

My stop block finally arrived yesterday from black friday shopping! (in Canada so things take longer). Now if the snow would go away for a while so I can upgrade my sled with it! Love the videos, always get so much good info from them!

Great Sled!!

Just purchased your stop block and the T Track from your link. Thank you for all the vids you post. Just got out the army and I am 100 percent disabled and woodworking has just recently came into my life and I'm loving it. Keep posting great vids and coming out with great products.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service my guy!

Oh, man! Thank you for the tip on fixing a tiny amount of play in the runners!!! I was so bummed this morning after my runner glue-up and had a fraction of a degree of slop. You’re great!!!

Ok this was fantastic

Thx, Jonathan. As always, good content. Just pulled the trigger on a Katz-Moses stop block.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

You'll love it!

love your informative videos and explanation of the 5 cut method. I ordered one of your stop blocks waiting on delivery

The price on the t-track is awesome! I didn't have a source for it before but I think I do now.

Simple, easy to fabricate. Great looking with the Baltic Birch plywood. Mathematics is not my forte sot it will take me more attempts.

Woot! All good things! Thanks again my guy!

Great video! I purchased your stop block! Can’t wait to use it!

Great Video Jonathan, I love my Suizan Saw!!

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thanks Cory!

Just ordered the stop block! btw. Very good stuff!

I just ordered the tracks and stop block! Gonna build this in 2 to 6 days! 😁

Alright I'm here. Nobody panic. Got Mother's Day festivities going. Sorry I'm late. Love the build. Only thing I did different is put 2 T-tracks running parallel to the runners so I could add more clamping options. Also a safety block for the blade coming through is worth mentioning.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Thank God! We were worried about you!

@retiredrookie7146

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂 👍

Hey John, bought the T-Track, and I'm already half way through Tamar's Mitre Jig build, just need those T Tracks!!

Building it this weekend!

Good looking sled! Thanks for sharing.

Beautiful!

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I loved your comment to that troll on Tamar’s video. 👏👍 Thanks for the easy explanation of the 5 cut method. I get it now.

Thank you for all the content you put out. I recently had to make two sleds. I had to watch this video over and over. I just couldn’t make it work. I ales watched William Nag’s video. You are cutting on the right side of the blade. William cuts on the left side. You instruct the viewer to move the fence towards the user if you get negative number and away if you get a positive number. William instructs the opposite. I did figure out why. But I think it should have been explained why. Not a critique. I value you sharing your love for wood working. I’ve learned so much from you.

The 5-cut mehod calculator on your site it amazing! So helpful. Thanks!

You can thank Tamar for my stop block order... Her demo sold me! Can't believe she's only been at this for 5 years > Wow!!

Awesome video, thanks for sharing. I am in the process of making my first cross cut sled so this is mega helpful. I am from the UK and am really pleased you ship to us, so I’ve just ordered your stop block and T track 🙏

Great video as usual!

I have this stop block this is the best on the market

Just ordered my stop block, oh and a dove tail saw how could I resist.

Thanks for detailed information and interesting video.👍👍👍👍👍

The finger wipes of glue on the apron was classic!

Great video. Was looking to make a new one. 👍

Brother, you are my new favorite person!!

I like the way you make a cutting tool for the table saw 

I like the idea of clamping to a level. I use one of the cast iron tables (saw, jointer etc.) when at my Menz shed, but I don't have a super flat surface at home. Even the job site saw I have at home is way off flat, and the aluminium table would pull out of shape if clamped to anyway. I've seen some of Tamar's videos, but if JKM is impressed by her, then I can see I need to binge watch my way through her entire channel.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

She's so amazing

I just built my first sled following the video. The error on my first attempt with the 5 cut method was 0.000269. I think I'll call that square!!! Thanks for a very instructive video!

Good job 👍🏼

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

👊

I call Tamar the Jig Whisperer. She really impresses me with her ingenuity. Simply a smart a very smart lady.

Great Video Bud👍

Thank you for simplifying this. i just noticed my sled is a little off and was about to throw it out a window. 😅. You do great stuff. sincerely, a Newbie Woodworker

I found the five cut method interesting and curious. I used to work at a large Architectural woodworking company and operated a Martin table saw with a 10' L sliding crosscut and a computer controlled horizontal panel saw. The method we used was take a 4 x 8 sheet , make a trim crosscut on the end , flip the sheet over and make a crosscut with a 1/4 scrap left over. Snap that in half and if the thickness is the same then you are dead nuts square. I just used that method to build three table saw cross cut sleds. Let's call it the KISS principle. Give it a try your, mileage may vary. No need for complicated math or using feeler gauges. Good luck.

Ive learned that blue painters tape can also help take out most play in the runners if you don’t have veneer

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I was going to do that but I seconded guessed myself on the long term durability

Another great video!....I have a continuing problem of my sleds warping, twisting, cupping...any suggestions for a material that will NOT warp?

Truly gifted in what you do love your work would love to learn from you.. your infinite table is awesome could you please send me the plans for this

Followed your guide here. Dunno how you managed it in just two attempts. I probably had to do 8-9 tries before I got it to zero out. Love the stop block I got from you as well.

To all the men out there who don't woodwork, happy mother's day.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Lol! I just got it 2 hours later

@Zillzbillz

4 жыл бұрын

How’ up, are you calling men that don’t woodwork women or am I missing the actual joke.

@MJ-nb1qn

4 жыл бұрын

Zills Bills - I think it wizzed past you! Took me a bit too!

I bought your stop block. Nice! I also bought the cheaper t track you suggested. The track attachment screws were run in almost perfectly, but not 100% perfectly, and the cap screws you furnish with your stop block interfere with the countersunk t track screw heads, rendering you stop block unable to slide along the t track. Should be a better clearance tolerance for slightly less than perfect countersunk t track screws. I solved my situation by grinding down the head of your cap screws. A comment on your sled assembly process - when you removed the non- pivot screw from the underside of the sled, you correctly left the whole sled on the saw. While you didn’t mention that, it’s important step. I removed my sled from my saw to make the adjustment on my bench, and adjusted the fence the 5-cut calculated amount. I go to put the sled back on the saw, and it would not budge along the slots. Guessing that removal of the screw allowed the sled to spread apart/narrow a little, rendering the slots no longer registered with my sawtop. Ugh!

Hey Jon! Thanks for the Video, I'm probably going to be buying one of the stop blocks, they've been REALLY tempting for a long time. It looked like you were putting a finish on at the end, what do you suggest for jigs?

A good way to fix the 'play' in your runners is to drill a few holes thru the sides...drill and tap them...and place set screws in them to tighten them as much as you need

I’m not sure i heard the explanation, but using the 5 cut method essentially multiplies the error x4 which is why it is than divided by 4. the larger of a discrepancy you can create the math becomes more accurate (...the math doesn’t change but measurement and rounding inconsistencies are reduced) . So...with that in mind, the use of a larger scrap will further accentuate the error and will reduce measurement/adjustment inconsistencies.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

all good points

Hey Jonathan. Thanks for the T-Track link. Do you have any similar great cost source for adjustable miter rail?

What would you recommend if you wanted a 45degree bevel reference on this as well? Maybe add a third miter rail and cut a secondary reference line or is that not necessary?

Great video! Thanks for posting! Quick question - where did you source the long trox bit shown in the closing montage? Thanks in advance!

Really enjoyed this! The one thing I'd say is William Ng had one bit of advice that's great and missing here. If you do the math and you get some odd deflection that isn't able to be easily replicated by a combination of feeler gauges, just adjust the length of the back board that you're using in your calculations and adjust the little stop block accordingly. You should be able to get a nice fraction by adjusting that distance

got mine to -0.00036 . Not too shabby i think, haha! Thanks for the helpful video!👊🏻

So, I built this sled to handle most of my crosscutting needs, but I also built your "super accurate" sled that goes on one side of the blade only. I built it to operate on the left hand side of the blade on my Sawstop so that I could use it with the stack dado head for cutting tenons.

Great video! 👏🏼 What countersink bits did you use? Also, how did you square up the first side of the fence after the glue up?

Sold. Once again. I’ll buy one.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Insert the Take my MONEY! Meme

@Xray.71

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Katz-Moses hahaha YEP! Your KZread is the best. Only thing missing is measurement indicators on your t-track! So the fence is 3” high by 3-3/4” wide?

Great video as always. I had a question about the sanding after squaring. If you were to sand the face of the fence couldn't that take you more out of square?