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I love your review of these trackball mice, thanks for doing this for us!

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure :)

Thank you so much for the 3 part and in-depth reviews! Even two years later it's difficult to find such high quality and informative reviews! Especially the orbit fusion felt a bit obscure since I saw almost nobody talk about it.

@AleSuggests

9 ай бұрын

I agree, the Fusion is still a bit of an overlooked mouse. The funny thing is that it quickly became my absolute favourite, and I have eventually got rid of every other trackball mouse (at the moment). Is the Orbit Fusion perfect? No, it isn't! But, in my honest opinion, it may be the best TB we have so far. Obviously, it is all subjective, and the fact that I can take it always with me due to its small size plays a major role. Thanks so much for passing by ;)

@VinLudens

9 ай бұрын

@@AleSuggests Thanks for the extra thoughts! I ended up going with the Expert, and the wireless version based on your comments in the videos; and it is really an awesome device! But being able to carry the trackball around like a mouse is definitely very interesting, but wasn't among my requirements for the time being. However, I shall absolutely consider the Orbit for my next trackball acquisition! Thanks as well for the reply, have a great day :D

I've been an ergo mouse collector for quite some time now, and I can assure you that once you get used to it, you'd be surprised on how comfortable they truly are (it relieved my carpal tunnel issue). The Fusion is quite a dream come true to us ergo mouse users that is hoping to have a trackball in mind, and this might be the promised product that we are looking for :)

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

My personal experience is that trackballs in general can relieve carpal tunnel (even the cheapo kensington orbit elite). The fusion is currently my main driver from some time now due to its size, but I must admit... if I was going to make a choice only considering comfort and pain ease nothing would beat the kensington expert! I hope this helps! Thanks very much for passing by ;)

I'm enjoying your reviews!

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for passing by ;)

This is a fantastic review of these trackballs. Just what I needed to see. I tried a Logitech TrackMan marble. I like the trackball way of working, but was frustrated by the lack of a scroll wheel. I may go with the Fusion, because it’s more compact, and the button layout looks like it will suit me better.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Glad if it was helpful :) I have never tried a Logitech TrackMan yet, but my first trackball didn't have a scroll wheel (Kensington Orbit Elite) and for me having a scroll wheel really makes things faster and more natural! Good luck for your upgrade and thanks so much for passing by ;)

@OuijTube

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests the Logitech TrackMan Marble has a couple of things going for it. I like the size of the trackball (40mm). The main left and right click buttons are large and well placed. It has two more secondary buttons (mapped by default to browser forward and back). It’s also half the price of the Fusion and about 25% cheaper than the Orbit with a scroll wheel. After using it for a while, I discovered that I wanted a scroll wheel more than the two extra buttons. Also, I use other conventional mice with adjustable DPI settings (Logitech G203 and Razer Turret). The higher DPI settings make a huge difference in moving around a 2560x1440 desktop. The trouble with entry level trackballs is that almost all of them were designed in an era when most desktops were smaller than 1080P...so higher DPI and adjustable DPI were not important then as they are now.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

​@@OuijTube It looks like the Fusion hits many right points for you then ;) I must try those Logitechs soon as many people keep telling me that they're good. Btw if I was you I would not bother too much about the DPI settings as the Kensington' software has great features that handle large desktop situations pretty well already. I am talking about a feature called "acceleration" that changes how fast and far your mouse pointer goes according to how fast you move the ball. It works marvelously after you set it up properly and allows you to be precise or fast any time you like. Also another feature called "inertia scrolling" is amazing (basically same concept of acceleration but for the scroll wheel). Even an Orbit has those features, and that mouse is a very good place to start IMHO. Please mind though, the Fusion and the Expert are superior mice in terms of: ergonomics and button's quality (Orbit clicks may let you down at some point). To improve the ergonomics of the Orbit (for cheap) you can try this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZmJzKmpY7e9m8o.html You can also check a video on my channel where I compare Orbit, Expert, Slimblade and Perixx trackballs all together if you haven't already ;) kzread.info/dash/bejne/iqiWxs9ykbizlJM.html Let us know how it goes in the end :)

agree! I prefer the center ball vs the thumb operated ball. Less fatigueing overall imo. I been liking my wired 3rd gen expert mouse I got on ebay for $30. Its got the rotary scroll and everything! Do you think $30 was a good price for it? It is optical, and has 4 buttons total. It is usb. I love this thing it saves space and is good for my arms and wrist in the longrun.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

I think you found a pretty good deal there ;) the expert is a great mouse and it's easier to clean than the fusion. nothing beats the expert yet in terms of comfort and reliablility. Thanks for passing by :)

The Expert Mouse is the gold standard of trackballs. The size and especially the weight of the ball, is unmatched and it is super responsive. It might not have as many features (like dedicated dpi switching or scroll wheel click) but what it does, it does really well. I actually used it when I used to game fps competitively in league play.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, the Expert is fantastic and there is not much like it. Although not many people have so much space free on the desk. The Fusion is a compromise for me, and I ended up using it as my main mouse from some months now. Although, if ergonomics is priority I never tried a more comfortable mouse than the Expert. Thanks for passing by ;)

@awry22

Жыл бұрын

The MS Trackball Explorer is the Gold standard actually. YMMV. =]

@xh0rsex

Жыл бұрын

@@awry22 The trackball explorer is not ambidextrous and does not have a removable wrist rest, while the expert mouse has both. As I already mentioned, the size and weight of the ball is unmatched in the expert mouse. The MS trackball is also discontinued, while the expert mouse is still in production.

@kazushiikegaya2109

Жыл бұрын

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Your reviews are fantastic on these trackballs! thank-you man! Quick question - can you use the rotary knob for changing a knob in say a kontact plug-in with Logic Pro? Many thanks

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you :) For your question... You can do a little test by yourself. Use a normal mouse, point it to the knob you are referring to and start using the scrolling wheel. If the parameter changes with any mouse wheel, then it will also change with any Kensington trackball that has a scrolling ring. This means that everything that you can change with a normal scrolling wheel it will feel so much better with a Kensington mouse, due to its rotary ergonomics, smoothness, and infinite scrolling settings in the Kensington application. I hope that make sense. Thanks very much for passing by, I will soon release music production content too, so maybe stay in touch? :) Take care

Any update as to which you prefer? Awesome videos btw, thanks so much for your input!

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

I keep switching between the two. The Expert has a great palm rest, but the upward tilt can make it uncomfortable at times.... so I recently went back to the Fusion. Due to its small size, the Fusion is a great companion that I carry with me when I work out of Country... but it would be grand if it had some sort of wrist pad. I hope this helps... and thanks for passing by :)

Very thorough analysis, thanks! First time Kensington user here (I just got my Expert Wireless Trackball this week). So I'm not the only one tripping on the ball while trying to scorll lol! After watching your comparison I think I'm leaning more toward the Orbit Fusion, but it's a bit too late for that :P You mentioned you have 5 Kensington mice/trackballs already. How do you rationalize to yourself having so many mice? Do you use them all or do you just stick with one for a very long period? (And how come you haven't tried out yet the PERIMICE-720 from Perixx? haha! No, I get it, you prefer the trackball on the top rather than on the thumb. It's just that I hesitated between that Perixx and the Kensington.) I'm in the same boat as you I think, but with mechanical keyboards (4 IBM, 1 Unicomp, 2 Filco) and I'm thinking of getting the Durgod Fusion Steam to match the Kensington Expert :P PS: Your Spotify link doesn't work.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thank you so much for passing by :) I think you may have done the best choice with the Expert! It's hard to dislike, but it may take you some time to get used to it. If you spend a lot of time working at the computer, it will be like a blessing for your hand and wrist! Enjoy it! I currently own "only" 3 kensington mice actually: the Expert, the Fusion and the Orbit. I have lend the Orbit Elite to a friend, otherwise they're 4. I usually use just one, the other is a backup, the other one is, instead, the backup of the backup; and the forth one is just in case a friend is in need. And that's how I rationalise it lol I am still trying to figure out which mouse is the best between the Expert and the Fusion... so hopefully at some point I will get rid of one of the two. I am currently using the Fusion, but I feel like I haven't made a choice yet... in fact sometimes I miss the Expert. I had my keyboard period too... and even a folding keyboard period... I'm fine now :) That Durgod qwerty it's really unique btw! I don't think I have ever tried a thumb trackball mouse yet... I have a feeling that it would not be as fast as a center balled mouce... but as many people asked me to try it, I may have to try one out at some point. Thanks so much for the kind words and for spotting the broken links, they should work now ;) All the best Ale

@llrnr

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests I love your explanation of main mouse / backup mouse / backup for the backup / spare mouse for friends. Thanks for the chuckles! And congratulations for surviving the keyboard collector withdrawal syndrome :P

@OuijTube

3 жыл бұрын

Do you pick different functions for each keyboard? I have a Unicomp for writing/work. For gaming, I use a Magicforce/Qisan with Gateron Brown switches. I have a Razer Turret wireless lapboard/keyboard for couch gaming.

@llrnr

3 жыл бұрын

@@OuijTube I'd love to, but I have some difficulty coming up with 8 different functions. The keyboards' roles are usually "work", "home" and "hibernating" haha!

What one would be best for triple monitor set up or does it not really matter because of the customizable software

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I think they will do both a decent job because of the very good kensington software. You will need to spend just a little bit of time to customise the acceleration value. Otherwise, the Fusian has a button for the DPI modes which can make things easier. Thanks for passing by ;)

thanks

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome :)

Мне такой сейчас едет из Китая. Он под LINUX MINT работать будет?

hi! I have a pro ergo keyboard and an orbit fusion. how can I use a single dongle instead of 2 to sync the devices to my laptop? thanks

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Hey there, thank you so much for passing by :) I don't have the Pro Ergo Keyboard unfortunately, so I guess the most convenient way for you to find this out would be to reach out Kensington. I'm sure they'll get back to you quick and with a detailed answer. If I have to speculate (and please do mind that I am just speculating here), judging from the model names, your only chance to use one dongle for two different devices could be to use a "Pro Fit Ergo" keyboard with the "Pro Fit Ergo" Trackball that Kensington released alongside with the Orbit Fusion. But, once again, I may be totally wrong about this. Sorry if I cannot help any further, best of luck... and maybe let us know here how it goes ;)

@jd5787

3 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests thanks! Turns out it is a BT keyboard so no dongle needed 😁 the mouse is not BT though. Not sure what is the difference between BT and non BT devices other than the need for a dongle though. Thanks!

There is one topic, nobody wants to talk about - the scroll button. How is it solved? Is the scroll ring clickable, or do I have to asign it to some of the programmable button?

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

You're right. Nope, you cannot click the scroll ring on any of the Kensingtons, but you can assign the middle click function to any of the assignable buttons through the very good Kensington software. I hope this helps and thanks so much for passing by ;)

I've been using expert for 1.5 yrs so far. I like its huge trackball, rolling smoothly. However, I feel it heavy to dial the ring while using certain software such PDF.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I agree, the Expert ring is not smooth enough. The Fusion offers a better experience for that, although it's not perfect either. Thanks for passing by ;)

Thank you so much for your video comparisons. I've just got an Elecom ex-g and I'm quite disapointed with the ruby spheres that support the trackball and constantly skip the cursor due to friction. Do you have this type of problem with either of these models? I struggle to do simple things like select text with the elecom. Thanks

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Trackballs take some getting used to. I clean my daily driver regularly... even every week if I notice some strange cursor behaviour. I usually remove the ball and use a dry cotton bud to remove any dust from the sensors/supports. Dust usually means mouse skipping for me. In cases in which the dirt build up is more than it should, I would use a cotton bud wet with rubbing alcohol, and I also wipe the ball with a cloth wet with rubbing alcohol, too. I have never tried an Elecom trackball, yet. I am fairly happy with Kensingtons, they have been around for ages now and their software really helps fine tuning the mouse acceleration and DPI (particularly the Fusion Orbit). They are not perfect mice by any means, though... the rubber grip underneath my Fusion is currently coming undone and there is no way to glue it back.... it's insanity! So maybe try to inspect your mouse first. Consider washing your hands more regularly and dust your desk if you notice a lot of build up... then if you are still unhappy, join the Kensington family ;) I hope this helps. Thanks so much for passing by ;)

@rauldeandrade

Жыл бұрын

​@@AleSuggests I decided to follow your recommendation and buy a Kensington Orbit Fusion which just arrived a few hours ago. Although I feel more comfort with a thumb operated track ball ( also considering I'm not yet using the Orbit for more than a couple of hours), the difference in how smooth the cursor is, is night and day. I noticed the Orbit also gets stuck on some movements, but it is so much less noticeable and more usable. Thank you so much for the recommendation. I'm enjoying both track balls and I ordered some spheres to try on the elecom, since now that I have two devices I'm not so worried about experimenting with modding one of them.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

​@@rauldeandrade Great purchase! Well done and thanks for those infos! When you'll need to clean the Fusion, flip it and hold it upside down with one hand... now with one of those pencils with eraser end push the ball out via the bottom hole. You will need a good amount of force, and it will feel awkward, but it's alright... just but make sure you don't use a sharp object as scratching the ball would mean compromising the mouse forever. Use then a cotton bud to remove any dust. I may make a video about the whole cleaning process, as it is not as obvious as other trackballs. Best of luck and let us know how you are getting on ;)

@rauldeandrade

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests Thanks for the tip and for sharing great content :)

Hey buddy, have you tried the Elecom Deft Pro model?

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there, the Deft Pro is a bit too similar to the Fusion... so I guess I'm not "inspired" enough to buy/review it? At least not at the moment... but you never know... sorry man! Thanks a lot for passing by, btw ;)

I am sold to the Expert because of the solid and clicky stepped scroll ring. I can't stand those uber smooth infinity scroll "freewheels". Add in the odd tilt some mice trigger when scrolling fast. Kensington themselves made a trackball bastard called Slimblade Media which used a tiny trackball in place of the scrollwheel on top of a traditional mouse and it was terrible. Unfortunately these aren't good when in your lap or the couch. I had been using a Lenovo N5901 for ages instead but looking for a replacement.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the Lenovo N5901 may be your only decent trackball choice for couch use. I personally use a air mouse when watching movies... which is ok... probably a lot faster than a trackball but less precise. It's pretty damn cheap too: www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01MTZQ6GW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_GM2W7DYKFY41XPNDQYGW I recommend the above with reserve, because it really depends from the user's usage. For movies I'd say it's perfect. The Expert is a great mouse, but the scroll ring won't be it's best feature I'm af afraid. Both the Expert and the Fusion suffer when it comes to their scroll ring. They're both "endless" scrolls... Just the Expert has a bit of a strange "clicky" friction. Thank you so much for passing by and I hope this helps ;)

Чтобы я делал без этого сравнения, спасибо за проделанный труд. I wrote specifically on my own language. I wanted to say that your videos are watched in Russia too :)

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

and that's amazing!!! thank you so much for this comment and salute from Scotland ;)

@romanchiz7775

2 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests thanks one more time, finally I choose the expert because i have ambidexterity skill :) Good luck in your future experiments

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

​@@romanchiz7775 Great choice! You cannot really go wrong with the Expert, especially if you are a bit ambidextrous. Enjoy your new mouse and thanks for passing by ;)

Which trackball would you suggest for Daz Studio or Poser Pro? (Daz Studio is a 3D scene creation and rendering program, so its main purpose is to create various images and videos with the use of a vast variety of different tools and assets). (Poser is a 3D computer graphics program optimized for 3D modeling of human figures. It is known for enabling digital artists to easily produce 3D animations and digital images, as well as the extensive availability of third-party digital content).

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on what is your priority. I'd say that the Expert is a bit more precise and comfortable for long usage. The Orbit Fusion is just more convenient if you have other midi controllers on your desk and you need more space. Another advantage of the Orbit Fusion is the DPI switch physical button. I hope this helps... sorry but I don't own the software you mentioned. Thanks so much for passing by ;)

I really like the fusion. I ended up getting a wireless orbit because it was cheaper. I got a wrist rest to go with it though. I was considering a ploopy but thats endgame. You have to make it though or pay a lot of money and it's super loud.

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

Great! I hope you are happy with your Orbit Wireless! I've never actually tried that one. The only thing that I kept me away from it is the touch scroll wheel... but then again, that could actually be a good system in the end. The fusion is good, I'd say 7.5/10. There are still annoyances here and there. It gets dirty very quickly, and it can cause some pain after some use (if you have a medium to large hand). The Fusion is currently the mouse I use, but I keep an eye out if there is something better. The Ploppy? Yeah, that would be interesting... but I'd also prefer for manufacturers to release a more polished product if possible... the direction seems to be generally right for TBs, with so many competitors raising the bar. Thanks a lot for those inputs, btw ;)

@JessicaFEREM

2 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests np. the ploopy can be made at home or even customized at home. nothing forcing you to buy it from them other than if you just want the full thing at your door. plenty of varieties as well. as small as it is that's probably the most they could do. you can probably sand and polish it if you please.

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I hear ya. What I meant is that I'd prefer to buy an assembled product, that has been polished already. The finish of a mouse (on which I would place my hand for several hours per day) plays a big role for me. And I would not trust my (nonexistent) plastic sanding skills for that. I do dig the project, though... Just not for me... atm

@JessicaFEREM

2 жыл бұрын

​@@AleSuggests the touch scroll wheel isn't actually that bad. the only thing I don't like is that the ball feels kinda small. not awful. although IMO the orbit wireless that just came out would be better if you wanted a cheap wireless trackball, or go with the elecom mice, those are really comfy

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

@@JessicaFEREM I did not know they made a wireless version of the Orbit legacy... thanks for the heads-up ;)

I have been using both of it for two years more. Would like to know how to setup the ring , let it has zoom in / out function ?

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. Is this for Mac or PC?

@d97586058

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests PC

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

​@@d97586058 ​ Well, on PC it depends on the context: If you want to zoom in/out within the browser, you can press and hold "Control" and use the scroll wheel to zoom. The same goes for the PC Explorer Windows. Most software like Photoshop, Premiere, Cubase, etc have a similar approach, although sometimes you may need to press and hold "Alt" instead of "Control". When in Chrome's Google Map, acting on the wheel ring alone simply zooms in and out. If, instead, you would like to achieve something to the like of Apple's zoom (such as zooming in/out anywhere you are even on the desktop), that's a different story, and you may need some third party quirks for that (whatever I tried was somehow buggy). These are all things that you can do on Windows OS already, without a Kensington trackball, but by using any mouse with a scroll ring. I hope this helps ;)

@d97586058

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests Thank you so much for your help.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

@@d97586058 No problem ;) See you around

Yes, the expert mouse scroll wheel sound and feel bad, the cheaper track ball from them have a way better scroll whell

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It seems like Kensington struggles to get the scroll wheel right. The Fusion wheel is OK, but far from being perfect. Thank you for passing by ;)

man they could of made it hav a thumb operated scroll wheel on the side of the mouse instead or put a regular vertical one between the top buttons or something

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

yeah that is not a bad idea indeed!

Second last finger is called the ring finger FYI 😳

@AleSuggests

6 ай бұрын

Thank you... I didn't get married yet, so maybe that's why I didn't know lol

Microsoft made the best trackball of all time. Everything is measured against it. I'm definitely going to try the orbit fusion. I don't like the button position or overall hand position of the expert.

@AleSuggests

2 жыл бұрын

You know what? I had the Micosoft Explorer and I never liked it, but I wonder if I should buy it again as it has been some time since I tried it. I can see why the Fusion may resemble the Explorer, though. The Kensington Orbit Fusion is currently my main driver, but I'm not 100% satisfied with it... I guess is good enough? You could also take a look at the "Ploppy Classic", which has an almost identical Microsoft Explorer shape, but it's a bit pricey. I hope this helps, and thanks for passing by ;)

@SingularityMedia

2 жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests I arrived at the Mic Ex years back and could never find anything that offered the comfort of hand position and the fine control positioning of the track ball. For me it was ergonomically perfect. I completely refurbished mine a few years back and sold it (they sell in good condition for crazy money) as I moved and built a new mastering studio. And the studio is setup where I am nowhere near my PC. So I absolutely have to use wireless (unfortunately this means the Ploopy is no good for me). I'm using the Logitech M570, and it's good..... for a thumb trackball... But thumb trackballs, for me, lack the speed and accuracy of being able to use your index and middle finger for the ball. And I feel thumb balls just move RSI over to your thumb as you tension your thumb in a strange way with them. I'm hoping the fusion is the solution. The expert has a great ball, but it's just a flat interface I don't find it stable enough for speed and accuracy along with button clicks.

The Kensington is the worst track ball I've ever used. Very stiff.. and very poorly place buttons. Terrible for gaming.

@AleSuggests

3 жыл бұрын

I don't game... But when it comes to studio applications (graphic design, music production, video editing) Kensingtons are pretty much the standard (even though I hate the "standard" word). Thank you so much for passing by ;)