Ultimate MTB Suspension Setup Advice with Jordi from Fox

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Today, I’m joined by Fox’s mountain bike suspension guru, Jordi Cortes. We’re going to be working through how to get setup, from setting sag, to deciding if you need to add or remove volume spacers, to what all the different adjusters do and how you should use them. What is high speed rebound? Do I need more low speed compression? We try and help. We also chat about changes you might want to make to the bike in some common scenarios, such as going riding somewhere much steeper than normal. There’s heaps to learn here and I hope it will help you get your bike suspension setup better.
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0:00 - 02:30 Intro
02:30 - 08:30 Setting Sag
08:30 - 10:00 Air vs Coil
10:00 - 18:20 Setting Rebound
18:20 - 28:30 Setting Compression
28:30 - 40:20 High vs Low Speed Rebound
40:20 - 41:10 When Enough is Enough
41:10 - 45:10 Adjusting for Cold Temperatures
45:10 - 48:20 Adjusting for Gradient
48:20 - 50:30 Adjusting for Muddy Conditions
50:30 - 52:30 Adjusting for Speed of Track
52:30 - 54:20 Adjusting for Type of Terrain
54:20 - 55:50 Importance of Suspension Setup for XC
55:50 - 01:03:00 When and How to Get Help
01:03:00 - 01:09:05 Wrapping Up

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  • @johnk7390
    @johnk73902 ай бұрын

    Getting clearing answers on suspension from the experts can be challenging. Well done articulating the questions we all want to ask.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    2 ай бұрын

    Thank you John

  • @dumirazvan8741
    @dumirazvan87415 ай бұрын

    I've seen most of the dialed episodes and the way they approach a tuning problem is so simple and easy. we just have to be disciplined in what we do!. Love the show and Jordi!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Glad you've been enjoying it.

  • @MTOProject
    @MTOProject5 ай бұрын

    Excellent interview - this was is a dream of mine - to sit and get to pick Jordi brain.. he is great at explaining things and just being real - you asked some great questions 👍🏼👍🏼 thank u so much for getting this interview out to the peeps 🎉🎉

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    it's a pleasure

  • @davec3568
    @davec35685 ай бұрын

    One issue I'd love to see Jordi address is fork bushing tolerances and how they affect damping. I sent my 38 in for bushing knock and asked them to burnish the new bushings and the difference was night and day. I had to add pressure and one volume token, and the Fox recommended settings were now darn close to perfect... before they were not. I think this is a tough one to address because the truth is there's a lot of variability in bushing tolerances in new forks, so having a factor rep tell you your new fork would greatly benefit from a bushing service right off the bat might be a topic they'd rather avoid?

  • @jakemacri

    @jakemacri

    4 ай бұрын

    I had the same issue on my factory 38

  • @kirrmann
    @kirrmann5 ай бұрын

    This video is exactly what I was waiting for! And finally someone is asking all the right questions

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Stefan, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @luffyluck
    @luffyluck5 ай бұрын

    As someone who doesn't even notice when I forget to unlock my shock, I can confidently say that this is good advice 👌.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @Bonky-wonky
    @Bonky-wonky5 ай бұрын

    Interesting point on the rebound affecting the bike’s balance and cornering. I’ll play with it next ride.

  • @tim__sadler
    @tim__sadler5 ай бұрын

    So basically this video should be watched by every owner of Fox suspension... Top work Chris. Way to kick off the year!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Tim, glad you found it useful.

  • @avgmountainbiker6083
    @avgmountainbiker60833 ай бұрын

    You literally asked all questions that I have been thinking on when I was trying to understand what is what. lol

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    3 ай бұрын

    Great to hear, thanks

  • @vrwgq3q
    @vrwgq3q5 ай бұрын

    great guidance. Sag is important, but just a starting point and based on weight. Rebound is based on air pressure and weight more than preference. Compression is not progressive, but controls valving and controls 'firmness' throughout the stroke, one for general riding (low) and one for big hits (high) volume spacers are required if you bottom regularly at sag, or if you don't at all (add/remove)

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you enjoyed it

  • @webb_11
    @webb_115 ай бұрын

    Happy New Year Chris! Really looking forward to this podcast with Jordi, love watching the Fox Dialed episodes, I’ve learnt a lot from watching those!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Happy New Year to you too! Stoked that you're excited for this one. I hope it lives up to expectations!!

  • @Teamsmash7379
    @Teamsmash73795 ай бұрын

    Can’t wait for this one, Jordi is one rad dude!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    He sure is. I certainly learned a lot from him in this chat.

  • @mattgranger1104
    @mattgranger11045 ай бұрын

    Happy New Year Chris! Thanks for the cool interview.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Same to you Matt, thanks!

  • @TheBald0ne
    @TheBald0ne5 ай бұрын

    Fantastic discussion, really interesting and informative! ! I really enjoyed it, so much I can see myself watching it again. Well done!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    That's great to hear, thanks

  • @tristanbotteram
    @tristanbotteram5 ай бұрын

    Loved listening to this!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    thanks mate, stoked you liked it.

  • @stevietoft4480
    @stevietoft44805 ай бұрын

    Exactly what I expected from Jordie. It's not your suspension, it's just you 😅 100% agree

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    🤣

  • @davec3568
    @davec35685 ай бұрын

    Are you sure there's no "shift point" between high and low speed damping? Usually there is a "knee" point in a shaft speed vs damping force plot. Please consider showing some graphical info in these kinds of discussions, thanks!

  • @kentpeters6446
    @kentpeters64465 ай бұрын

    Great interview with Jordi? Great choice. How could you go wrong. You nailed the questions and had him answer so many questions with different scenarios that were all understandable. So great to watch him on Dialed. So knowledgeable and personable.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Kent, glad you enjoyed it

  • @justsayin3600
    @justsayin36005 ай бұрын

    This video was helpful for me. I'll have to watch this again.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    great to hear, thanks

  • @Skipperjames
    @Skipperjames14 күн бұрын

    Very good info and explained perfect. You put great questions to him.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    14 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @gregsurat3734
    @gregsurat37345 ай бұрын

    Awesome interview!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Greg!

  • @fredboudreaux9663
    @fredboudreaux96634 ай бұрын

    Great interview. Please do more with him.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks Fred, will do!

  • @RossKuzma
    @RossKuzma5 ай бұрын

    great questions...thank you!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Ross!

  • @rarelycomments
    @rarelycomments5 ай бұрын

    Love the opening response, people worrying about weird details without understanding the basics. "I heard this on the internet, someone said that" but hardly anyone actually understands the engineering. I don't mean this as a gatekeeping thing, the engineering is not complicated. It's just easier to pick up on one thing someone said on a forum once than engage your brain in understanding the theory in a holistic sense.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it. Also, love the username!

  • @rarelycomments

    @rarelycomments

    5 ай бұрын

    It used to be accurate but now it's ironic because I comment on everything.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    @@rarelycomments 🤣

  • @awfully.average
    @awfully.average3 ай бұрын

    this is my experience as a novice-intermediate rider. i really dont know what feels right, let alone what would improve my bike's performance. i also think you gotta be really attuned to what you like and dislike about the bike feel, that can only come from riding a lot with that i invest a day of my time out in the trails slowly setting sag, rebound, compressions and bracketing them and arriving at a sweet spot for myself as a trail rider focused on comfort.

  • @rmhfpv9225
    @rmhfpv92255 ай бұрын

    fantastic video. I paused it a couple times to run out and check what my Fox sus is at.

  • @oldtimerv7
    @oldtimerv75 ай бұрын

    Thanks Guys

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    it's a pleasure

  • @mrjamieholloway
    @mrjamieholloway5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Jordi. :)

  • @MH-md6tb
    @MH-md6tb3 ай бұрын

    I always wondered if you start from fully closed and count the first click as click #1. That was a great question

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    3 ай бұрын

    Thanks, me too!

  • @veers0r
    @veers0r5 ай бұрын

    Definitely one of the better videos on MTB suspension. :)

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    thank you

  • @lukelavine3244
    @lukelavine32445 ай бұрын

    GREAT VIDEO Thoughtful questions, thorough answers, and all of the questions we've been wanting to ask Jordi ourselves! Awesome work + thank you a ton!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    thanks Luke, stoked to hear that!

  • @Ben-sb1xu
    @Ben-sb1xu5 ай бұрын

    Feel over numbers!!!

  • @TheAngryHusky
    @TheAngryHusky2 ай бұрын

    Every time I set fork sag as recommended the fork feels harsh to me. I have to reduce pressure quite a bit to get my fix forks to feel supple. 15-20% sag just beats the crap out of my hands. For instance on my Fox 38 it recommends 91 psi for my weight. I have had to drop the pressure to about 65-70 to get the fork to feel comfortable. At that pressure the 15-20 percent sag goes out the window. What am I missing?

  • @nomadcarpenter8549

    @nomadcarpenter8549

    19 күн бұрын

    Are you over compensating with compression damping

  • @ostankovalex1176
    @ostankovalex11765 ай бұрын

    dunno, I feel like the temperature affects the suspension a ton. LIKE a lot. dunno what were you talking about in terms of degrees, but 10 degrees in C affects it a lot. The rebound becomes much slower and the fork dives much more (currently running the coil in the rear). So in winter I tend to run 5-10 more PSI when inflating the fork at home to compensate for the difference.

  • @DavidFoundCo

    @DavidFoundCo

    5 ай бұрын

    I found that it only affects the first two minutes or so when riding downhill, after that (especially forks) oil warms up and feel like previous temperatures. I think mellow/slower riders won't get the oil moving as much as someone more aggressive on the descends

  • @ostankovalex1176

    @ostankovalex1176

    5 ай бұрын

    @@DavidFoundCo maybe, but I tend to ride up to about -5 or so

  • @DavidFoundCo

    @DavidFoundCo

    5 ай бұрын

    @@ostankovalex1176 I rode in 28 degree Fahrenheit last week and that’s what I noticed on my setup, I didn’t make any changes

  • @davec3568

    @davec3568

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeah, notice it for sure around freezing or below!

  • @donbenincasa7442
    @donbenincasa74425 ай бұрын

    One of the best discussions on suspension yet!

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Awesome, glad you liked it.

  • @Ben-sb1xu
    @Ben-sb1xu5 ай бұрын

    When Jordi talks i listen

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Ha

  • @mscott9666
    @mscott96665 ай бұрын

    Excellent, well worth listening to all of it.

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks, glad it was useful.

  • @In_dependent
    @In_dependent3 ай бұрын

    What's your take on putting more tokens than you need? say 3/4 and lowering the overall pressure to make fork very plush at the start?

  • @nathantoney.1501
    @nathantoney.15015 ай бұрын

    awesome

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it

  • @ridedirtymtb9938
    @ridedirtymtb99384 ай бұрын

    Do you all set your rebound open for sag?

  • @kurtrichardson5060
    @kurtrichardson50605 ай бұрын

    Don't think......feel

  • @downtimepodcast

    @downtimepodcast

    5 ай бұрын

    That's the one

  • @AaronMarkie
    @AaronMarkie2 ай бұрын

    HA Zero click - as an IT guy counting the first as Zero is absurdly normal. Hearing Jordi explain from a "normal human" point of view made me laugh at the stupidity of the IT world's use of Zero as the 1st :)

  • @vlbz
    @vlbz3 ай бұрын

    If you're a programmer, the first is usually 0.

  • @nothinglessness
    @nothinglessness27 күн бұрын

    You lost me at 15-20% sag 😂. Clearly ain’t 100kg and riding the Lake District and Scotland regularly. Rough a feck massive long descents + 15-20% sag do not make happy bedfellows!

  • @topchoice1621
    @topchoice16215 ай бұрын

    i dont know why people treat MTB suspension like it’s rocket science smh 🤦‍♂️

  • @tylersvensson4468

    @tylersvensson4468

    5 ай бұрын

    Because one click makes the world off a difference, the guy isn’t working with your average rider his working with the 0.01% of the sport at the highest level. When you have multi million dollar teams wanting to win they are gonna do anything they can to win. Just like any other sport with suspension if it’s not set up correctly they loose confidence which loses alot of time. This video is perfect for someone who is average wanting to take there Riding to the next level and make them faster then ever before

  • @Bonky-wonky

    @Bonky-wonky

    5 ай бұрын

    Maybe because they take their sport a bit more seriously than you…?

  • @topchoice1621

    @topchoice1621

    5 ай бұрын

    @@Bonky-wonky it’s still not NASA technology and or that hard click rebound blah blah blah

  • @topchoice1621

    @topchoice1621

    5 ай бұрын

    @@tylersvensson4468 they’re not riding for multi million dollar teams lmfaooo haha

  • @davec3568

    @davec3568

    5 ай бұрын

    Then don't watch.

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