Thanks for the comparison! Morningstar Engineering controllers (MC6 & MC6, etc) ship from Singapore. Over the last 3 years I have ordered 4 for various applications. My most recent order was for an MC 6 to act as a remote footswitch for Ableton keyboard shortcuts (a non-midi communication via USB). I live in California. I placed the order Sunday night, received acknowledgment that it had shipped within 20 minutes and received the MC 6 before noon on Tuesday. Free shipping and no sales tax! Best customer service on the planet!! Obviously, I HIGHLY recommend them!

@Mee0tchy

3 ай бұрын

Free shipping? I'm interested in the MC6 Pro so I went into their online checkout: $25 shipping to WY, USA. I'm not complaining but free shipping would be nice!

Just to say thank you and well done. Very comprehensive, reveals a lot. Just what I needed at this stage.

Great man. Thank you for the effort to do this comparison. Just what i needed right now :)

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad it was helpful and thanks for passing around ;)

Great video Ale :) It's worth mentioning that the Morningstar doco and youtube guides are very polished and thorough. I keep discovering new things I can do with my MC6 Pro. I've just set up my Boss FS7 as an aux switch (for bank changes) - next step is to configure the expression presets (so the expression pedal can control any of my midi devices dynamically). That WIDI controller is also on the list! I think my guitar is feeling lonely haha.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! There are several tutorials and the manual is constantly being updated. However, I must admit that I admire devices that do not require me to go through a manual at all, and sometimes having several video tutorials could be a sign of being a bit convoluted. I'm just playing devil's advocate here... Morningstar is top of their game... but there is always room for improvements, I guess. I think you said in another comment, you've got the pro? Let me know if you struggle for the expression pedal... I do that dynamic trick all the time. The CME Widi is a funny little device which I wish was invented several years ago to solve this spaghetti madness that I call my project studio. Bless ;)

Great video!!! Have you used any of these in the sun, outside or bright light? I play many gigs during the day and in the sun and want to make sure I read the screen! Thank you!

Great video, thanks. I'm leaning towards the MC6 Pro

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Great choice 👍 Thanks for passing by ;)

good review, thanks!

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😉

Great review. Thanks.

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for passing by ;)

Thankyou so much!

Hey, thanks for the video. Have you heard or used the Luminite FX, Graviton M1? The specs and general functionality look really interesting, at a good price too. Only thing is no one seems to have heard of it ( apart from one person on Reddit).

Wow man! You really know what you're talking about! Thanks for doing this..

Thanks for this video. Really informative. Appreciate the recommendations. May I ask, are there any lag with the widi device?

@AleSuggests

4 ай бұрын

Thanks :) No lags at the moment, no. These are honestly great devices. Thanks for passing by!

Thank you so much for this video. I was on the verge of purchasing the hotone thinking that I could live with the minimalism, but didn't realize that the display never changed back to the bank. I think I've decided to save up for the mc6 pro. Now I just have to find an extra 2 inches for the extra depth on my board. 🙏👍

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

I am so glad the video was useful. This is exactly the kind of info I wanted to share out there, as I have purchased the Ampero Control myself just to feel disappointed after a few hours of use because of its display. The MC6 Pro is a great device... but mind that apart for the extra inches of depth, you may need to think about the extra height as well... if you use a lot the pedals on the second raw, you may need risers. Currently, I am also liking the Disaster Area DMC3XL, far less capable than Morningstar, but very compact, and somehow easy to use once you get your head around (I still have the MC6 Pro in studio though). I hope to see you around again ;)

Very impressive and highly informative review - thank you! Subbed immediately, no matter what your other content is, because work like yours needs more recognition. The content comes across as „scripted“ in terms of the quality and conciseness, despite it obviously not being scripted. Now about the devices: Which ones have loud and clank switches, and which ones are quiet enough for a solo acoustic performance in a (sometimes) quiet setting?

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for subbing and for your kind words, they are much appreciated! Switch noise chart: - Morningstar MC6 Pro (least noisy, and winning by a landslide) - Hotone Ampero Control - Soleman (noisiest of the bunch) You could develop a technique to make the Morningstar MC6 Pro absolutely silent, as it uses "soft touch switches". The Soleman and Hotone are "hard" meaning you will always hear the click sound no matter how softly you try stomping them. Unfortunately, I don't have the other two Morninstars with me at the moment. The MC8 should also have the soft touch switches, but I do not recall about the MC6 mk1. You could email Morningstar to double-check, and I am sure they'll reply you fast enough. I hope this helps... all the best for your choice and I hope to see you around ;) Ale

@scottbecker3485

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests You are a very kind spirit to have actually followed up on my question - and so thoroughly, at that. Thank you! :-) Happy to now know the Morningstar MC6 Pro will be my only choice, at least in the bunch you tested (and the others with „silent“ switches are ancient and clunky, at least as far as my market survey shows so far). Now I‘ll just rest easy till my twin toddlers need a bit less round-the-clock care so I can get back to buying - and especially using(!) - gear. ;-)

Which of these midi contollers can set tempo or send midi clock to other midi devices?

Great video - thanks very much for the information and taking the time to go through everything so thoroughly. I'm looking to use a MIDI Pedalboard to not only send MIDI CC and PC, but also send note data in order to play bass lines/trigger samples on my keyboard. Do you know if I'd be able to connect something like a Line 6 FBV3 or Behringer FCB1010 to one of these MIDI pedals to "increase" the number of available footswitches? Thanks in advance.

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

I'm glad the video was useful. I've never used the controllers to send note data, but I cannot see why you would not be able to connect a Behringer FCB1010 into any of the controllers of the video, because the Beheringer has got midi out 5 din and all the controllers I showcased in the video do have midi in ports. The Line 6 FBV3 is a different story though, because I believe it has only got the USB port... so IF it's USB class compliant, you could still possibly connect it to the USB port of the MC6 Pro, but the other controllers will not support this feature, only the MC6 Pro. If you want my honest opinion... I don't know your setup, so take this with a pinch of salt, but if I were you, I would separate things up. I would program the MC6 Pro (or whatever controller you decide to buy) to send Midi CC/PCs only, and then the FCB1010 to send midi notes only. Programming them separately may be a lot simpler. You could still chain the two devices, so that: FCB1010 midi out -> MC6 Pro midi in -> MC6 Pro midi out -> keyboard midi in .... and the keyboard will still see the midi messages of both controllers... or you could use a midi merger box if your keyboard has only got one midi in. Just download the FCB1010 pdf manual and make sure that it can send midi notes before you buy it, and also download and install the Behringer editing software so you are sure it is still supported on your computer, as it is a bit of an old device. Also check out the Keith McMillen Midi devices (Softstep, etc) they may be quite a bit smaller than a FCB1010, and they are velocity sensitive... but mind if these have only a USB port if I remember correctly, so once again go for the MC6 Pro if you end up grabbing a Softstep. I hope this helps, and thanks for passing by ;)

Thanks for this. A lot of great and thoughtful real-life aspects compared. My one contribution is that the Soleman display is almost completely useless if you're outside. Not bright enough at all.

The Morningstar's pedals can send MMC also. Is this the case for all the other pedals you showcased here?

Three alternatives to consider: 1.) M-VAVE Midi Controller Footswitch. 2.) Blackstar - Live Logic. 3.) PIRATE MIDI - BRIDGE6.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Hey, nice thoughts.... so: - M-Wave Choccolate: did not make it to be in the video because it does not have any midi In/Out ports - Blackstar Live Logic: I considered it, but from what I've read it does not seem to send multiple midi messages with one press. This was a "must have" feature to be part of the review (otherwise there would have been countless single message pedalboards to consider, such as Behringer BCB1010, Midi Mouse, Basilisk, etc) - Pirate Midi Bridge 4/6: I did not know the device by the time of the review. It intrigues me and if I ever shoot a part 2 of the video I may include it You are right, though... I was meant to include Choccolate and Blackstar as possible alternatives... but... simply put... I forgot 😅 Thanks so much for passing by ;)

I went with the mc6 pro for the better/newer software and the full featured Morningstar software vs other options, plus the relay switching. Also because it was the only one actually available from Morningstar now. It’s my first attempt with midi but I have a bunch of gear with midi features I’m looking forward to messing with. I just bought a used midi matrix to control two Mesa heads (a markV and a Fillmore), or I have a tc-50 that’s midi capable. I have a plethora 5 that I want to control as well. I may consider adding a loop switcher as well to control a drawer full of pedals but that’s TBD. Also considering a straight to mixer solution with plethora plus a tech 21 Psa 2.0 but will wait for that for now.

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Yup, you have a lot of midi going on, I'm sure the Morningstar MC6 Pro won't disappoint you. Just be prepared for a steep learning curve, so try to be patient, as midi programming can be tedious... when it'll be time to shop around for a loop switcher, I'd say look into Disaster Area... they are quickly becoming my new favourites, and they're products are always available. Thanks so much for passing by ;)

congratulations, better than this, IMPOSSIBLE! amazing video! 👏👏👏👏

Need to get a BRIDGE6 in that mix! 😁

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I'll need to prepare a part 2 of the video soon with an expanded collection 😬

CAN THE SOLEMAN OR ANY OF THE OTHERS TURN ON AND OFF A VST PLUGIN? SO SAY KEMPER IS IN REAPER DAW AND I WANT FOOTSWITCH 1 TO BE A KEMPER FUZZ AND FOOTSWITCH 2 TO BE WAVES REVERB VST OR WHATEVER?

Looking like the Mortrix is going to be the one that fits my needs...if they ever release it... 😮

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Let's hope they do release it, indeed!

Wow never looked at the midi foot switch controllers this way. The Mortrix really does have a lot going for it from a visual perspective. Only thing is durability with it being on the floor and in harsh temperatures. It would be cool if Morningstar moved to that size as their editors are amazing just the screens need work.

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Thanks :) I think you are spot on...I would feel uneasy with the Mortix's big screen at a gig, but for studio use it'd be just great. I am confident Morningstar will eventually come up with an even more clever display design at some point, as I think they are on a path that will lead to perfection. Thanks for passing by ;)

The Morningstar software editor is fantastic. I've never bothered to use the hardware to edit.

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

I agree, although if you have the midi controller permanently installed into a busy pedalboard, it is not always possible to hook it up to a computer. For the record, I am currently rocking a Disaster Area DMC3XL on my gigging board, and although it is FAR less powerful than a Morningstar (no software, no double tap, no multiple messages, no relay), but I still edit faster, I overcome those limitations in a creative way, and I end up playing way more music... and without even touching a computer. On the other hand, every time I hook up my MC6 Pro to the laptop, I end up updating its FW, getting lost programming, and colour-coding everything... the time flies without even touching the instrument. In my own "real" world (rehearsals, gigs, tours) editing on board is needed. For studio work, instead, Morningstar editor all the way. P.s. I know bluetooth midi and iPad app exist... but again... still not a fast enough workflow in a real world scenario Everything is a personal opinion, of course Thanks for passing by ;)

@roscius6204

5 ай бұрын

@@AleSuggests yes, in some ways the editing is a hobby in it's self.

what about the pirate midi bridge 6???

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Yup, it is in my radar thanks to so many people commenting about it. I'd love to check it out ASAP... we'll see. Thanks so much for passing by ;)

I though the Mc 8 screen could be changed in the configuration to black and white letters aren't it?

@roscius6204

8 ай бұрын

No, can't change. They had issues apparently with the white on black and changed to the black on white.

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

This 👆

Wow, do some of these have a floppy drive, that's well cool! ;D

The main question is. What can the others do that the hotone can't? I mean, the ampero control is 100€, Soleman 260€ and the others even more.

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

The Ampero Control is the first controller I bought, and I was so sure it would be more than enough. But then... how do you know what are you switching on and off without a dedicated screen? Say you have just 10 banks of 4 presets. How do you remember which is which? You cannot even stick some tape to the side of the switches, because as soon as you change the bank, the switch order changes. Another thing that I missed with the Ampero was the lack of a companion software, yes it's got its iPad app, but it's not easy to backup/restore, copy/paste presets, and say that one day they stop supporting the app? So, even though I wanted to love the Ampero and I prefer its smaller form factor, it turned out that it wasn't enough for me, and I am confident many would share the same opinion. On the paper, the Ampero is a great and capable device, but the devil is in the details I suppose.... those details that usually us as musicians work so hard on when creating songs? Those kind of details that I appreciated more on other devices such as Soleman and Morningstar. IMHO, Midi is already a cumbersome and outdated tech to be dealt with cumbersome HW. Anyhow, if they update the Ampero Control in a v2.0 with a better display, I'll most likely give it another shot. I hope you found the video useful, and hopefully I'll see you around ;)

@joeyguitargeek

5 ай бұрын

@@AleSuggests Thank you for the input!

There's a very powerful and not expensive pedal called MIDI Captain by PaintAudio that can do everything the Morningstar units and more and it's not expensive or hard to find

@AleSuggests

4 ай бұрын

Yes, the Midi Captain is in my radar. The only thing is that its form factor is a little too big for my needs... I'm usually a fan of truly compact controllers to save pedalboard space for pedals that actually make sounds, lol. But I think at some point I'm gonna check it out, especially to test that time engine feature to auto-switch the effects on and off. Thanks for passing by, btw :)

Morningstar midi controllers are 🔥

@AleSuggests

8 ай бұрын

Yup. They are indeed!

Nothing is better than the mc6 pro and the app coming with it

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

I must admit, I have a love and hate relationship with the Morningstar software. It is VERY powerful, no other midi controller software will allow you to program your device so deeply so that you could do almost EXACTLY what you want with your controller... but it comes with a price, as it requires some dedication and time to program it. I wish it was a bit faster, and more intuitive

Check out the new MIDI Captain. I’m liking it so far. And it’s cheap.

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's a really interesting option. If I ever shoot a part 2 video, I will include it in the arsenal. Particularly, I love the jog wheel and the recording feature... that tiny screen though 🙄 Thanks so much for passing by ;)

@scottbecker3485

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggestsI watched a video on the new Midi Captain, and its switches are really loud - too loud for a solo acoustic performer in a (sometimes) quiet live environment.

@makingmusiconline2309

9 ай бұрын

@@AleSuggeststiny screen but you can connect to PC and edit on there.

Look into Voes midi controllers

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

They look really nice, actually, and very well priced. If they only had something smaller than an MX-6, but still with a display, I'd buy one.

RJM also offers the long press….

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing the info ♥

I cant even get my hands on one Morningstar Switch and you got 3 Not gonna lie im a bit jealious ;)

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

Where are you based? Here, in the UK, I can sometimes find them on eBay... but, yeah... it was a painful, time-consuming and expensive process to grab each of them... so I feel your pain! Thanks so much for passing around... and best of luck!!!

@ichsehsanders

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests Germany.... Used I can't find any and there is only one online store (I allready pre-ordered) that sells them! As far as I know they planning on shipping the MC-6 PRO July... I can't wait for it since I've got everything set uo except this "remote" to control everything Thx for the concern

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

@@ichsehsanders well... July is not too far :) , I know you already pre-ordered, but make sure you join the Morningstar forum, they are thinking about making the MC8 Pro... if that suits you best, I'd grab a cheapo device in the meantime and wait. I hope I am not confusing you more lol

@ichsehsanders

Жыл бұрын

@@AleSuggests Thats Awesome news .... My plan is to start with MC-6Pro + 10 channel effect loop (dont know the name right now) and later add the MC-8Pro anyways since i got several setups that would require one of those Devices( i see then which device fits which setup best) but for now its my Kemper Main Setup that lusts for Morningstar the most ;) BTW Did you know that you can add up to 12 footswitches to the MC6-Pro via the multiports? In that regard if the only difference beetween the 6 & 8 is 2 more onboard switches this really shouldnt be the main reason to upgrade!?

@AleSuggests

Жыл бұрын

@@ichsehsanders true... but how can you tell easily what the external switch do if they don't have a display? Stickers may help, but only for static setups.

MC6 pro seems like the worst display...like dumbing down a computer to a cellphone. They changed the MC8 color because of economics...the chips they bought that did the dark one failed...quality parts and all...though the MC8 looks like the only useful display. Now if they just update it...and do not make it like the terrible MC6 display...I'll buy one.

@AleSuggests

5 ай бұрын

I'd say the MC6 Pro display is still better than the latest MC8 iteration (black text over white background), especially after you spend some time tweaking the MC6 Pro and choosing the right colours. Mind that I never tried the MC8's white text over black background, but the MC8 I had was really tough to read when standing, the MC6 Pro quite a bit less difficult.