Ulster Galilean Sights: Sniping on the Cheap
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During the First World War, the Germans were the first to implement a formal sniping program, which inflicted severe casualties on Entente troops. In response, in 1915 the British Army organized its own sniper program. However, the British optics industry could not keep up with demand for proper riflescopes, so as a stopgap measure the Army adopted a variety of tubeless "optical" or "Galilean" sights that could be quickly and cheaply manufactured and fitted on rifles. Five different models were adopted or approved for private purchase: the Martin, the Lattey, the Ulster, the BSA, and the Gibbs. However, the sights saw little combat use and were replaced by proper telescopic sights by 1917.
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He seriously made a video on an old style magnified optic without showing the sight picture. That the sole reason most people probably clicked this video
@hrvstmn31
7 ай бұрын
Honestly good luck with that, have you ever used a peep sight? It very likely not even possible to show off and I'm sure he tried for longer than was necessary to try and show it.
@skivvy3565
7 ай бұрын
Because there’s no way he had it disassembled and could easily show it while not attached to the gun but while liked up with the camera right? Oh wait no. That’s extremely simple
@chugachuga9242
7 ай бұрын
Also as mentioned Forgotten Weapons already did a video on the sights themselves.
@nilbog6942
7 ай бұрын
Thanks saved me time
@Humanbean.308
7 ай бұрын
@GoChuckWood😂😂
My man is rivaling the big shots like Forgotten Weapons, C&Rsenal, and even Jonathan Ferguson of the Royal Armouries with the artifacts he's able to present. Keep up the good work!
@Bobhope325
8 ай бұрын
at least they remember to close their fly.
@chalermlab8925
8 ай бұрын
@@Bobhope325 you cannot contain the beast
@richardrobinson9534
8 ай бұрын
Forgotten weapons already did a video on this 4 years ago lol
@erg0centric
8 ай бұрын
This was obviously a collaboration. Didn't you notice Ian McCallum at the beginning of the video?
@Eduardo_Espinoza
8 ай бұрын
& Karl with his expensive US optics :)
I have to be honest, I'd love to own a rifle with Galilean sights mounted, it seems beautifully unique.
@klausstock8020
8 ай бұрын
Fully agree. I had wondered how they managed to get the reticle in focus with the target at the same time. Now I know. Simple and elegant...they didn't. I feel the uncontrollable urge to design an optic which corrects that, while still maintaining the looks of the Galileo sights.
@GerinoMorn
8 ай бұрын
Very steampunk, innit? I imagine variable-magnification with extra lenses in the middle xD
@klausstock8020
8 ай бұрын
@@GerinoMorn "Why are there aerodynamic air deflectors on your steampunk rifle?" "Dieselpunk. It's dieselpunk."
@Narinjas
8 ай бұрын
Is the TF2 weapon Bazaar Bargain based on this?
@Puppy_Puppington
8 ай бұрын
@@Narinjasooooooooooi😮
I've always been very interested in these. The forgotten weapons video on Gallilean optics was cool, but it was more of a history of that specific model and it's use. I appreciate you going a bit more in-depth on the actual engineering and principles involved with mounting &/or using these systems. They don't seem particularly good for actual combat use though. They seem very prone to damage and grit. I can see now why closed tube scopes became the dominant long range sighting system.
@1lovesoni
Жыл бұрын
@AuschwitzSoccerRef. what about the Warner Swasey "Musket" scope? Yes, a refractive optic isn't ideal for proper cheek weld, and it isn't fully sealed. But it still seems better, and importantly less open for mud/grime in a WW1 trench. Alternatively, the English Pericopic Prism Co. scope seems nearly on-par with the German equivalents. It WAS fully sealed and even had a focal/paralax adjustment capability. It seems reasonably equivalent to the Zeiss optics the German marksmen used. They issue the PPCo scopes somewhat rarely on both SMLE and P14 rifles. But more often than Galilean optics. I guess now I understand why.
Great video; informative and fun to watch. I had genuinely never heard of these sights. Well done!
CANDU reactors, trompe air compressors, and now WWI emergency optics. Subscribed. Content is a great complement to that provided by the established players. Looking forward to watching, listening and learning more -
Everyone who has shot a scoped rifle knows what a giant difference it makes. Seeing the magnified far off target and the crosshairs sharp as can be together like they are both right in front of you. These Galilean sights are super cool and interesting to see. It's like a hybrid, to transition to normal optics. But i'm sure they needed a lot more traning to be accurate with those, especially under stress.
@scumbaag
7 ай бұрын
Bigger target. I learned this a long time ago before ever owning a gun in Counterstrike 1.6. Id always "double scope" (one right click is 5x magnification, 2 clicks is 10x).. I figured, if the bad guys chest takes up my entire sight picture/screen, its gonna be kinda hard to miss him. xD
Info is great, presentation is very concise and smooth, and the topic is very much not covered by many in such detail.... 11/10 subbed!
You need to start uploading in 4k and not 1080p, KZread has completely destroyed the bitrate on all 1080p content, and the only way around it is to upload in higher resolutions where they don't impose a arbitrary bitrate limit.
I hope this channel blows up in popularity. It certainly deserves to.
I never realized that the funky site systems in Borderlands had any historical basis. Neat, you learn something every day.
@user-qf9mk6rc7n
8 ай бұрын
"Jakobs. Family, Loyalty, Tradition."
I was not nearly as informed on WW I sniping as I thought I was; that has now been partially rectified; thanks!
@c-w-h
8 ай бұрын
This is more along the lines of sharp shooting. Actual snipers took place in WW2. But the best historical sniper of ww2 preferred iron sight sharp shooting. Which is why everyone wants to use it interchangeably. Extreme sharp shooting does exist. But it is more popular under big bore air rifles. Extemely modified big bore air rifles have found some impressive distance numbers.
Very interesting. Also very well presented and clearly explained. Many thanks
Wow, I have never heard of Galilean sniper sights. This was very interesting. Thank you. 👍
Your usage of Galilean sights and meta context allowed you to score a comedy headshot with your introduction here. Well done.
Brilliant video! Explained the pros and cons of the sights in a way i could understand. Keep up the good work!
To my knowledge, BSA is now owned in India and they make substandard products. I've owned a few and regretted it every time.
Never heard anyone call MOA minute of arc. Its the same numbers, just never heard it. Never heard of these sights either so you got yourself a new sub.
I had always thought of these as little more than a prototype of modern sighting systems but it is interesting that they do actually seem to have a few small advantages over enclosed tubular optics.
@jason200912
8 ай бұрын
You look 14.
@notanimposter
8 ай бұрын
@@jason200912 I was a teenager when I took this picture. Maybe it’s time for a new one. Not sure why it matters to you, though.
@jason200912
8 ай бұрын
@@notanimposter it's the internet. Internet people fap to everything possible even a picture of a rock
@abdou.the.heretic
8 ай бұрын
@@jason200912I'll keep my eyes on your account.
@Zargabaath
8 ай бұрын
@@jason200912 You're socially awkward.
Very well done. Informative and interesting. Thank you!
These are really small wouldn't doubt they are in tons of archival photos and no one has looked close enough to notice
Nice to see you are using a genuine WWI model SMLE. Have seen the Galilean sights on a WWI TV show (perhaps on Australian sniper Billy Sing) but nowhere else until now. Having fired the WWII SMLE in boot camp (RAF in 1962) I was lucky to score marksman with 4MOA (open sights) which is the average accuracy for this military piece, the bull being 6" at 100 yards. Compared to today's firearms and advanced knowledge of variables on a projectile's flight path this is pretty ordinary but from a historical perspective was very interesting. First shots at 19 now still shooting at 80. Greetings from Oz.
@baabaabaa-yp2jh
8 ай бұрын
Did Billy use the Gibbs version? I remember seeing a doco on him & in the cut scenes they showed the red crosshairs...l don't know how accurate the doco was & most photos of Billy he's just using the open sights anyway. My Nanna's 4 brothers served (Jack awarded the MM at Villers - Bretaneux) but she had a leather pouch with what l took to be some sort of surveying optics (as one became a surveyor in the Highway Dept) yet here is the same wallet & gear, l had no idea! As kids we used a rebarrelled (by Omark in '50) 1899 SMLE Long Tom on roos for dog meat & the tail for stew. It had SAVR stamped on the butt, so was obviously a Volunteer Rifles piece...dad gave it to rellies!
@cliveyb5326
8 ай бұрын
I can't recall. I picked up a hardback years ago called Australian Sniper, it was the story of Billy Sing's life. Sadly I let the book go. Should have kept it in my collection of WWII memoirs@@baabaabaa-yp2jh
@matthewcharles5867
4 ай бұрын
@@baabaabaa-yp2jhion idress who spotted for Billy on Gallipoli talks in some of his books about them using these sights. A lot of there shooting was done at 300 yards and less at Gallipoli. In Palestine the ranges were longer.
@baabaabaa-yp2jh
4 ай бұрын
@@matthewcharles5867Thanks Matt, but everyone born at the Hill, or in the Mid North knows of Idress... Yeah lve read the Desert Column and a few others by Ion. Wound up writing for the Post, pix ppl etc. Great writer... He invented a semi automatic.303, it was tested, but never taken on. The Broken Years by Bill Gammage, is one of the best books lve read (excerpts from diggers diaries in WW1).. It shd be compulsory reading at High Schools....if it stops one war, it's done it's job... Appreciate the recommendation though mate.
I initially thought Othias had edited Ian's voice onto himself....😅 This is a very welldone video, I'll have to sub.
Didnt know about these, thanks for the great info 👍
I really enjoyed this very informative and engaging great content
It was quite fortunate for the Devs of Battlefield 1 that optics like this really existed back in the day!
So... That weird lens sight from Battlefield 1 had a historical prototype?
@Lomhow
8 ай бұрын
Sounds like it wasn't uncommon
Dude even sounds and speaks like Ian.
Great history lesson! Thank you 🙏🏽
Great video, Gilles...👍
Great video!
Great video, just found your channel and subscribed!
First time watching any of your videos. I have watch Gun Jesus for years....Your videos are really good and informative. Well scripted and edited. Hell yeah. Keep up the good work man. Some people just do things in a way that you retain the information better
god imagine being a german sniper and your buddy is vaporized by an elephant rifle round
Interesting, thanks. I didn't know about those sights.
That looks surprisingly fun to aim with, the gun also looks very nice.
Instant sub, great content for content sake.
I’m subscribing right now!
Very enjoyable... Again...
Cool gear dude. Thanks.
I have been looking for a channel similar to this, specifically one where technology that is over 100 years old (binoculars, lighting, etc.) and have the performance compared to modern day equivalents.
From a sniping perspective, these early sights look and feel more like cheap red dot sights, than something you could actually snipe people with.
@alface935
7 ай бұрын
True
@SianaGearz
7 ай бұрын
How so? Red dot is farfield compensated, this is not. You can't even see the damn dot. But things are magnified.
@gotindrachenhart
6 ай бұрын
Sniping, is the act of attacking a target without the target knowing where you are so they cannot return fire. It's meant to demoralize the enemy as much as eliminate high value targets. The tools used to do so can vary widely.
@alface935
6 ай бұрын
@@gotindrachenhart True
Very impressive improvement in grouping. Always been very interested in Galelian sights. Looking at my 1918 mfg Mk3* hanging on the living room wall, I don't think I could bring myself to modify it to fit Ulster sights. I'll just have to stick to practicing with the irons.
A good interesting, and informative video,.
Today used in archery on compound bows...
Would be an interesting balancing mechanic for a game. One of many sniper optics available, alternative to a full scope or limiting to iron sights, ads as fast as iron sights, but it’s got a random chance while firing to require another adjustment to fix the sight.
@traviscothre
8 ай бұрын
battlefield 1 already did this
@wtice4632
5 ай бұрын
@@traviscothrehow?
It might interest you to know that Galilean sights are still in use today to a limited extent, in the discipline of Fullbore Match Rifle (MR), which only really exists in the UK. Competitors are split between "front gun" (prone position, typically with modern scopes) and "back gun" (supine) positions, all competing as one discipline. Back gunners traditionally use Galilean sights, indeed almost all back gunners used them when I started around 20 years ago, although since then maybe half of back gunners have adopted modern scopes as the cost and accessibility of affordable CNC machining has improved the availability of the rather odd rail hardware required to do so. However quite a few back gunners still use Galilean sights today. I am a target shooter only, and can't speak to combat use, but I have shot both iron sighted and scoped front gun and Galilean back gun competitively for 30 years, and whilst you identified the advantages of a modern scope well, I think you may have missed a couple of the most important advantages of the Galilean setup. Firstly, sight base - Galilean sights allow the shooter to take full advantage of long rifles to achieve a very long sight base. My back gun was over 5ft long and the sights covered the full length of the rifle right from muzzle to buttplate. Even on shorter rifles I can imagine the sight base advantage being a factor compared to scopes of the time, particularly as you point out we weren't set up to produce good scopes in volume. Secondly, situational awareness - I find when shooting scoped rifles my SA of my immediate surroundings, wind changes and so on is very limited as my attention is fully down the scope. Whereas with Galilean sights I can be on aim and still fully aware of what's going on in my immediate surroundings and across my field of view, and catch wind changes that I would miss if I was on aim with a scope. I can imagine this could be an advantage in a combat environment. You mention that the reticle and target can't be in focus simultaneously. However this is no issue if you're used to iron sights, which have the same property. Personally I found it far easier to transition from iron sights to galilean sights than to a scope, which requires a quite different and unfamiliar technique to use accurately. On the other hand, rain and debris on the objective can really hamper Galilean sights, they are somewhat fragile, the sight picture does take some getting used to, and you can't watch mirage for wind cues whilst on aim. Also nobody is manufacturing new ones, so we rely on a dwindling population of antiques! But people are still competitive with them even against the best modern scopes, which tells you something.
@fitchyyboi
7 ай бұрын
Cool stuff!
I have never seen a modern optic that allows the reticle and the target to be both in focus. The ACOG definitely doesn't.
@enderbirds3814
8 ай бұрын
?…
@tidypog3272
8 ай бұрын
You have bad eyes (like almost everyone. The ACOG is not a modern optic. Get something with a diopter
@salvadorvega9834
8 ай бұрын
it definitely does, or BAC wouldn’t be possible
@starfoxdelta
8 ай бұрын
@@enderbirds3814Notta clue
@frankopanklaric
8 ай бұрын
Buy better optics. Also, the diopter dial is a thing.
My first video I watched I subscribed in the first 2 minutes
I kind of wonder if these didn’t miss their moment to shine in a role other than sniping. With some general improvements to the design I can see these easily becoming the precursor to modern reflex and holographic sights. Medium to short range optic that greatly increases individual accuracy
Great video big brain. Im here from a todayifoundout video, great channel tho, extremely informative. Your a talented guy
Such a beautiful bolt action rifle. Wooden rifles never go out of style.
For future reference, The sandbag is there to rest the rifle on while shooting.
That thing works, it actually magnifies. I have seen one on a recurve bow.
≈ 7:55 very frustrating, after all that amazing, in-depth, info and explanation, to not be able to look down the sights! Surely there's a way you can record that.......(it would be cool to do for next time)...
Same idea as peep sights with a clarifier on a modern compound bow.
Fascinating 😊
An optical sight I had not been aware of. Good presentation! I would have liked to see the image the shooter sees. A phone camera should do well enough for the purpose. The image could be cropped down so as to highlight the salient elements.
That opening has my subscription😂
Thanks subbed.
I have almost the exact same sights on my compound bow. 4x lens and the aperture is sized that I can only see the lens. Acquire target with both eyes open, then close one eye to aim and shoot.
Very interesting.
Great video, thank you. Just a quick correction regarding Col. Stevenson, he served in the Royal Canadian Dragoons during the Boer war not WW2.
A really interesting design
He reminds me of Ian over at forgotten weapons. Even sounds like him
@jayjones6904
8 ай бұрын
I'm J Jones lol
@AC-hj9tv
8 ай бұрын
@@jayjones6904whoa
These are like the great grandparents of red dots and 4x scopes. Super interesting!
Thats awesome.
I still think one of the most ingenious and industrious sights was the reticles made from black widow web because of its strength and ultra thin profile. And I believe that was used in wwii
this is very fascinating, thank you so much..... I know the front sight post on my rifle is .073" and at 400 yards, a 16 " target is 1/2 the size of the post....by the way, that is 4 minutes of angle. The rear sight is an aperture mounted on the rear of the reciever of about .093" and is adjustable in 1 MOA increments for elevation and windage.....the sights were invented and developed by Canadian John Garand for the Springfield Arsenal along with the rifle itself.....the US Model M-1 cheers, Paul in Florida
Awesome that they named the sight after one of the greatest astronomers to ever exist
Huh, so are these what the "Optical Sights" in Battlefield 1 were based on?
Would've been neat to have a camera shot looking through the optic itself rather than just side shots
@SianaGearz
7 ай бұрын
It can be difficult to impossible to capture something sensible, i can only be filmed in manual focus which well if you don't have a focus ring on your lens because things are from this century well it's tough.
4:37 And here i thought the scopes on Battlefield 1 were a slight creative liberty taken by dice I'll be damned, they look just like the real things!
So the reflex sight from cod world at war is kinda real? Wow I looked for a long time to find anything like this and everything said it’s not a thing. Absolutely amazing
@CAMSLAYER13
8 ай бұрын
Reflex sighte where invented in 1900 and saw use in both world wars
@alface935
7 ай бұрын
@@CAMSLAYER13Ohhhhh
@gotindrachenhart
6 ай бұрын
@@CAMSLAYER13 *very limited infantry use
@01-uy3of
6 ай бұрын
Honestly every military item is somewhat very limited. The soviets pre-1942, well...they had flag poles to fight with. Too "realistic" shooter game would be too boring. But then again, it's not possible to mix the real world with a fictional game world to begin with. It's an inevitable paradox. Although the aa-12 in mw3 has a max lethal range lesser than a bb-gun, which is retarded.@@gotindrachenhart
@gotindrachenhart
6 ай бұрын
@@01-uy3of a lot of games use range as a way to nerf all shot guns which always frustrated me. And there's always experimental stuff going on as it's a legitimate arms race, but still, dot style optics just simply didn't see wide use.
- All about a weird sight - Doesn’t aim down sights with a camera to show us
That £1 sight for private purchase would cost £84.51 today, a fair chunk of change.
Used similar devices on my bows when I shot for Hoyt.
Another piece of equipment that needs to be reproduced for us to use now!
Nice video. I subscribed
Was that Othias and his light box I saw peaking out of the bushes at 7:06 ?
Reticle ownership is decreased with ocular weight. Lighter optics generally equates to more expedient acquisition. Proven throughout infantry performance is critical range and response, versus immediate, reactive capacity. Slow, light, high accuracy equates to measured potency.
I think this is a super good invention its super cheap and could be mass produced. Also it doesn't obstruct iron sights so it would be nice to have such things on every single AK to make engaging targets at 500 meters actually practical. and until PSO-1 this optics would make it still possible to use an AK at close range due to unobstructed iron sights. Awesome invention.
I live in Belfast so find this even cooler that it was invented by someone from here. Very cool for the SMLE but I prefer the MK4 no1 it is overall a better rifle.
I could imagine some attempts were made to braze those Ulster fronts on in the trenches, I wonder how successful they were.
I know it’s an older video, but it’s great how you are “trolling” Ian. Please do a video on something like obscure ammo, or some other kind of kit.
i genuinely thought you were ian for a second, the voice and the content are wildly similar
Wow excellent video my friend, early gun technology is so interesting! Sure is a shame we lost WW1
The Monty Python skit at the beginning got an instant sub from me. 😂 Cool video too. It's interesting to see a stop gap solution like this.
I’ve seen somebody using the Ulster sights at Bisley hitting targets at 1000 yards
could you post a video showing the sights view when you are aiming?
You got a like and subscribe from me because you used one of my favorite Monty Python clips. 😂. My expectations are high.
Used something similar in JROTC air rifle competitions
that photo at 1:06 seems like it's actually from Texas, seeing as San Antonio is a city there and they actually have a Schutzhund club that's been there for quite a while.
The “Ulster” had some connection to Sharman D Neil who was an upmarket Belfast Jeweller. He had two sons killed in action in WW1 if I remember correctly.
Most interesting thing is the number of red coats named "one"
The No. 1 "series" of SMLEs are such great rifles... Best of the WWI infantry rifles, I think; and damn fine aesthetically too. I prefer them to the No.4's, though the 4's are (supposedly) slightly more accurate due to the trigger mech. I had the chance to pick up a set of Martin sights from a collector back in the early 2010s. Still regret passing them up -- I didn't know how rare they were at the time.
@lleppala
8 ай бұрын
The bigger thing that makes No.4s more accurate is the forestock-barrel interaction.
Ian if he was a heftier lad. "I like a weapons specialist that knows his way around a funnel cake!"
If you’re interested in WW1 sniper technology and techniques, there’s a book written by Hesketh Prichard, a British Army officer, called “Sniping in France.”
How am I just finding your channel
its a good video. but where is ethan from forgotten weapons?