Great, more add the HARM to the MiG-29 in DCS requests 😂

@jaynuck

Жыл бұрын

Hoggit is now the HARM/MiG-29 discussion forum

@sedlo

Жыл бұрын

Ha!

@UkraineStar77

Жыл бұрын

DO IT

@fansaaap

Жыл бұрын

Go for it Matt make it happen

@therocinante3443

Жыл бұрын

Already done, Growling Sidewinder has a video featuring it.

I worked on HARM system back in the 80s. Never in my wildest dreams would I imagine it slung under the wings of a MIG!

@LRRPFco52

7 ай бұрын

It’s one of the last fighters we could have ever imagined it being integrated onto. It was a stretch when they put it on the Viper. I thought the natural progression would have been on the F-15E with a Wild Weagle.

There is a bit of a fun detail in the HUD repeater on the right side of the cockpit that shows the weapon system recognizes the HARM as an R-27. The HUD repeater indicates "27PE", which is the extended range anti radiation version of the R-27 (AA-10 Alamo-F), so it is imagining it as a weapon of a roughly similar class. I wonder if this has any effect on its operation.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Very interesting bit of info. Will make sure Starbaby reads.

@Xeno426

Жыл бұрын

Remember that the Russian letter "Р" is the same as the Latin letter "R"; the Russian letter for "P" is "П". The 27PE is in fact the designation for the R-27RE (sometimes listed as R-27ER), the extended range SARH version of the missile. The R-27R, R-27ER, R-27T, and R-27ET are the main production versions of the missile, while the various other types (EA, the active radar version, and PE, the anti-rad version) didn't see any production.

@avtomat11

Жыл бұрын

@@Xeno426 Instead of assuming incompetence or inability to read cyrillic on my part, you could actually look at the original video in high quality and see for yourself that the HUD repeater indicates "27ПЭ" on all shown HARM launches, and in other general flight snippets too. Bring up the original video for higher quality, slow it down to 0.25 and see at 0:24, 0:32 and 0:52 respectively.

@jukeseyable

Жыл бұрын

No your wrong pal! Apparently the Ukrainians working with retheon have got some emulator code into the Russian based system to recognize the harm as an R27. It limits the harm to been pre programed on the ground to target a specific type of radar. But as long as it is a specific type of radar been targeted by the mission it does the job

Top quality content as always. Thank you both.

Great session Steve. Keep up the great work.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Z!

I just wanted to point out that throughout the video we see three different airframes. One of them is the modernized MiG-29MU1, with a color MFD (that seems to be getting shunned in favor of a commercial Garmin GPS unit installed over it). You can easily tell this model by the missing dash cover (removed to bolt a couple of extra switches on top) and missing distinctive, elongated housing of the HUD repeater on the right. This is not the plane that shoots HARMs, it remains a pure fighter. The one that does shoot HARMS appears to be a normal, unmodernized MiG-29 model 9-13 with its original HUD repeater (which is how we see the plane thinks the HARM is an R-27EP in the first place). So that means two things: 1, They chose the less capable machines to become their "Wild Weasels", while retaining their upgraded ones as pure fighters. 2, There seems to be a fair degree of communication going on between the HARM and the avionics. The R-27EP (not to be confused with R-27ER) is a PRH missile that can pursue the strongest source of radiation after launch (think Sparrow in FLOOD mode), or even receive data from the Berioza RWR unit. Doubtful they actually got the HARM to listen to the Beryoza but who knows. Nothing will surprise me anymore, we're seeing some Tom Clancy shenigans as it is.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

This is great stuff. One of the things I didn't catch was that the missile was identifying as an R-27EP, which is the long-burn antiradiation version of the R-27, with a NATO codename of AA-10F. The US never fielded an air to air anti radiation missile, and while semi active missiles have the ability to do home on jam, a jamming signal is a pretty strong point source. It is possible that by hijacking the existing anti radiation weapon's control software, that the system could provide some targeting feedback to the pilot, making it more lethal. I'm just not familiar at all with the weapon system or its interface, and certainly not able to guess. As always, if you're a Russian air defense guy, your best bet is to shut down an go home.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Let me further point out that we might have an alphabet mismatch, as Xeno426 points out, and we might be looking at an R-27ER, which is the ALAMO-C long-burn semi active radar variant.

@Jonboy2312

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions aye, I may have misread what the screen said... The weird compression and sharpening made me think I saw it clearly but now I'm not sure what I see there after 27... :/

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@Jonboy2312 - I had the same problem, plus I mix up my Cyrillic letters regularly

Really enjoy listening to discussions with Starbaby! Thanks for the videos!

Love the way he puts the sunglasses away carefully.

Very interesting and informative. Thank you.

Super interesting episode. Really enjoyed that. Thanks guys

Excellent. Looking forward to the next Starbaby episode!

superb ep...loved it

Goddam. This is a really great channel. I'm subscribed to a lot of other mil aviation channels and podcasts as well. I love them all, but they are generally very high level discussions. The kind of crap they are talking about here (all details shy of secret) is exactly what I have been looking and hoping for. Long live 10%.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Coolhand!

Steve - as the guy who tracked down Starbaby's contact info for you, I feel as though I should have negotiated some kind of finder's fee or commission on all these episodes. But since no one is making any money on any of this, I guess I'll chalk it up as a charitable contribution. 🙂

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Junior - thanks for the handoff. Now I get to tell my stories to thousands of people who haven't heard them before. Plus, you can have a hint of what your squadron command might have been like if I'd been in blue.

@rsuminsby

Жыл бұрын

Starbaby - I'm sure Wardog and Rosey were happy to have that cross to bear! 🙂

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Fantastic interview and analysis. Signal to noise ratio is off the charts with Starbaby as a guest. Lots more please! 👏👏👏👏

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

WILCO.

The down-in-the-weeds technical geekery on Cannon sim plugs and that sort of thing just made me squee with delight. Thanks so much for explaining how all this works in terms of jerry-rigging Harms on a Fulcrum. Have really been wondering about that.

Interesting and informative.

Amazing interview I’ve been binge watching all of these Starbaby always tells the best stories

This TPT and Starbaby podcast format has been great! Don’t let it end any time soon!

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, Shawn

Really liked the guest! Thumbs up to this type of content, talking about tactics.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, he's not bad :)

Fantastic!

Great video

Awesome video! I was so happy to see a serious discussion of how might the AGM-88 HARM be integrated into the Ukrainian MiG-29. Thanks for posting.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

One thing that didn't occur to me at the time was that this architecture could also be used to put the missile on other Ukrainian fighters, like the Su-24 FENCER. If Ukraine has any FENCER-E left, that would be an interesting combination.

@corvanphoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions I'm glad they can use distributed basing to operate MiG-29's. Su-24's weigh more than 2 -29's, so they're not as easy to base or operate.

Great stuff, informative and made me laugh.

Solid content

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Starbaby flexing and defining sexy for us has really taken the channel in a great new direction Steve. Cheers!

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

It's fun doing this stuff, for sure!

Giving a thumbs up and Subscribed! Courtesy of KLW WORLD NEWS...Mr Wheelbarger speaks very highly of your channel and you guys. Great video!

Get so much value from this channel - real chemistry with starbaby and host.

From "Jane's how to fly and fight in the Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum" by Jon Lake pg 39. "Even if 2 SARH guided missiles are carried they may both be fired together espessially if the fight is about to go from a bvr joust to a close in knife fight. The reason for this is simple, if only one missile is fired leaveing one alamo on the launch aircraft the remaining missile imposes severe limitations on the aircraft. With a asymmetric underwing load of that sort the MiG-29 is limited to 15 degrees AoA instead of 24 degrees.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. Makes sense. Thank you.

Subscribed, sent from KLW world news

A defecting Russian MiG29 pilot disclosed many details to his Western hosts. In describing air to air combat, he explained that the Fulcrum wasn’t aerodynamically stable enough for asymmetric load outs. Pilots would fire one, and then another missile (from opposite wing stations). They could also use a “hammer down” mode, with finger pressed & the system would loose two missiles as soon as a target lock was acquired… This was in the 1980s. The Fulcrum he flew was an early copy & probably the equivalent of the older planes in Ukraine’s inventory. This same defector briefed USAF and Navy crews before the start of the 90-91 Gulf War. The AGM 88 is a large missile (at least as big as the then Soviet A2A missiles) so the challenges of asymmetry should carry over.

Yay! Bonus

Most interesting. TFP

Pls More Starbaby! Additionally, one main factor regarding Russian tech now vs 1980 (SpeakNSpell) is that now all the latest tech is made in China not just in the US.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

More Starbaby planned...

Thank you gentlemen. There are no good new shows on and I would rather watch this anyway. Another fantastic podcast. Russian mofos, go ahead and leave your radars on.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure :)

Just subscribed as recommended by KLW World News.

Inventor Lee Wheelbarger/KLW World News sent us :-D *Subscribed

It just boggles my mind that with this quality content you don’t have a lot more views. This is really relevant informative and entertaining. I am thoroughly enjoying Staybaby’s humour and analysis. If Ukrain have enough Harms the Russian SAM operatives really should consider calling it a day and F off.

It's interesting that there is a tablet of some sort seen stuck over the HUD controls during the HARM shots in the video clip... Anyway, a very interesting discussion! Many thanks, chaps.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Our pleasure! Looks like the screen is a GPS device.

@sedlo

Жыл бұрын

@@10percenttrue at the 4:40 mark, the mount couldn't keep up with the 30mm cannon! :-)

@Wolfhound_81

Жыл бұрын

that looks more like a GPS navigation device to me?

@nunyabizness3436

Жыл бұрын

Two devices are shown, look like. Garmin 66 and a Garmin 6600

@photo01aviation

Жыл бұрын

The screen appears to be an Garmin Area 660 portable GPS; I have one in my RV-6. Small, lightweight, and a great little stand-alone nav unit.

"Short Episode", just kidding, I love you guys😁

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Haha. Under an hour is super short for me, these days!

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@10percenttrue Totally

Subscribed by recommendation from KLW WORLD NEWS

The UN Security Council needs to hold an Emergency Session and appoint StarBaby as Chief of Staff of the Ukrainian Air Force.

@fredmdbud

Жыл бұрын

That's about as likely as the UNSC appointing the Chinese PLAAF Chief of Staff ...

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

I think you're taking him too literally...

I think that in AA mode, the MiG-29 has a launch authorisation override function which would allow to shoot R-27 outside of weapon system computed solution. That would probably allow to shoot HARM if the MiG-29 thinks it’s R-27.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jo Jo. Great info.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Jo Jo, that sounds like what was, in the F-4, the "interlocks out" function which allowed the AIM-7 to be free out of its programmed launch parameters. That would make sense. It still leaves open the question of whether the two-shot sequence is an artifact of the weapons system or a deliberate launch sequence by the pilot.

@agdgdgwngo

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions You can just shoot the one R27, there's footage of live firing to back this up. I'm guessing they're firing both to increase the chances of getting a hit.

@paristo

5 ай бұрын

​@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions "It still leaves open the question of whether the two-shot sequence is an artifact of the weapons system or a deliberate launch sequence by the pilot." The MiG-29 and Su-27 use a different launching procedures for the pilot than the western ones use. Soviets designed the system to be automated to ease the process. Air-to-Air missiles can be launched in pairs to maximize the probability of hit, but primary is in single mode. The weapons control panel has a own knob for the weapons release count, as in single, pairs, selected stations or all the type. For unguided weapons like rockets and bombs it works for all, but for guided weapons it is just one at the time when firing signal is given by trigger, or it is in pairs if the type is same. Example of the design type. In the stick the pilot has a up/down switch, that is used to select a Air-to-Air weapon type. It switch between a "Long Range" and "Short Range". The pilot doesn't need to know or think what type of missile is to be used, just think is he close to the target or not, and select based to that and the system selects optimal for the target based its range (if that information is available), but can be overriden. So example if a plane has a R-27 and R-73 loaded, the switch in forward position will launch a R-27 missile, and in aft the system selects R-73. The priority of station select goes from outward to inward, and they work in pairs as in left/right, left/right etc to keep the balance. But in the throttle there is a button for pinky to press, and that allows the pilot to switch between the next station, so pilot can launch in right, right, left, left, left, right if so wanted. It allows pilot to select wanted weapon type if carrying multiple in different seeker or method, so example with rockets or bombs. In the HUD there is at bottom a row of the symbols signaling pilot visually what is the next station used to be for launch. And in older planes same is with a own station instrument with green/yellow lights as well. When it comes to same missiles like R-27, but with a different seeker like T or R, the system prioritize it by the pilot choice of primary targeting sensor. In the Su-27 and MiG-29 family planes, the pilot doesn't decide what sensor to use as only one, but all the sensors are working together to back each other up. Example, the IRST sensor in front of the canopy is always On, you don't select it or deselect it. The radar is similar way always used, but pilot can choose to stop its emissions and turn it a passive radar if wanted. But pilot choose which one is the primary sensor that will acquire the ranging and vector, and then other is the backup for it. This design makes it example impossible to notch the radar as the IRST is always tracking the target as long it can detect its IR emission. So when the radar is the primary sensor used for search and track, the IRST is supporting it with own and radar is used for acquiring targets and selecting a radar guided weapon for its purpose. When the IRST is selected as primary, the IR guided weapon is chosen automatically and radar is to support IRST to get a range if IRST laser ranging doesn't get reading. These pilots selects example in Su-27S (first serial production variant) front of the throttle in the targeting system panel, where are as well the settings for radar scan cone direction (as example 60 degree left, 60 degree ahead, 60 degree to right) and then a target altitude difference knob in kilometers, defaults to 0 separation, so radar or IRST will search target always co-alt. The knob goes from +/-10 km. And that is different from the western planes radar scan elevation selection by degree and then looking the radar scope for the scan volume top/bottom altitude values for given range at the B-scope view. In the Soviet design when you selected example -2 km altitude, the radar centered the scan to that altitude. So if example pilot was tasked to chase a cruise missile while flying at 3000 above sea level, the pilot set the scan to -3 and radar performed the scan pattern to cover that sea level altitude from closest possible range to selected range. The targeting system sub-modes are as well in that panel, like vertical scan, missile boresight, HMS and in-HUD. So if pilot example wanted to perform a stealthy IR missile launch, then set first the radar not to emit (western Freeze), IRST as primary and select "Long Range" launch and lock target. And if wanted to launch a two missiles at the same time, select the release mode as "pairs" or other, and keep trigger down for IIRC longer than 250 milliseconds and system launch the second automatically. There are pilots manuals for the SPO-15 (far more capable than said here), Su-27SK and MiG-29 9.12 export model. It is as well that MIL-STD-1553 databus standard is the standard in Russian aviation, they as well adopted it. I don't recall top of my head what was the Russian standardization name but it is same. What makes possible for Russian companies to offer their fighters for a NATO countries as the avionics are compatible for all the weapons and pods. It is years when I read multiple thesis about this compatibility layering.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

5 ай бұрын

@@paristo Awesome. Thanks.

Regarding assymetrical firing: in 2004 I had an F16 demo pilot out of DC tell me when the Migs fired they had to fire two missiles. I looked for sources of this and never found much regarding the Mig29 but maybe this is what he was referring to. I'm also wondering if they fire 2 just for better chances of a hit.

Hey, sent over to subscribe by Lee from KLW Worldwide News. Just thumbed up and subscribed.

Watching you guy's now shared by and recommended by Klwworldnews.

Great stuff, thanks Gents.. and Ivan you heard the man, pack up and go home.

Another great video. Slava Ukraini.

Ron Jeremy has nothing on Starbaby

@sedlo

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard the same.

lesgoooo

Taking down a mach 2 flying object it is difficult itself,but taking down a missile is very tricky. If shooting down a HIMARS is technically possible but the stars must align to get the job done. I would said it is the same thing for a HARM missile,it would be almost impossible to intercept in time by a SAM system. It would be easy to get a safe route for the HARM,if you are programing them on the ground it means your intel is spot on.

The look of Starbaby with Rayban is hilarious

Mil-Std 1760 is not a data bus. It is a standardized interface (including hardware) that includes power, discretes, analog (e.g. video, GPS, etc.), data bus (e.g. 1553) and even has a fiber optic option. Mil-Std 1553B is the standard that defines just the Manchester Bi-phase, 1 MHz bus that avionics, weapons and sensors use to exchange digital information. And, YES, HARMs ARE sexy!

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Awesome. See, and if somebody had explained it that way instead of "a 1760 is a fiber 1553" I might have gotten it right on tape. Alas...

@rotad9967

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions Keeping you heroes technically supported is what we geeks do. 😀

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@rotad9967: It's true.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Cheers the definition, Ro.

I have no doubt that from prior U.S exploitation and intel gained from acquired Soviet / Russian assets like Mig-29’s and SU-27’s that the U.S would of provided the intel to Ukraine on how to best integrate the HARM to the Mig-29’s systems along with software programming of the missiles and launchers, particularly in such a short timeframe. Obviously not confirmed in anyway, just pure speculation from what is known. Thanks once again Steve and Starbaby for the great insight. Looking forward to the livestream.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the thoughts and feedback!

@davecollins6113

Жыл бұрын

I saw a story where the US modified Migs, picked up in the 90's, to use a HARM for something to do with MIG aggressor rigups,, for something like the Top Gun type programs. That was the gist of it that I saw, basically they had made all the stuff to do this already, handed it all to Ukraine and said here it is for you, just do this. Can't remember who the author said it was exactly, like DARPA or someone.to that effect.

Subscribed by recommendation by KLW WORLD NEWS

I believe they've been using harms against early warning radars and less mobile SAM systems with based on information which they get from usa and uk sigint-elint efforts.usa and uk have been giving airspace picture, hva positions,naval target positions etc. to the ukrainians since first day.

New Subscriber, suggested by Lee KLW Word News

Didn't Raytheon work on this problem several years ago and find a way to make some changes to the Mig 29 that would allow it to fire HARMS? Is there a way you can comment on this, or at least throw a url our way for someone who is telling this story?

I wonder if we tested out LAU-118/A MiG-29 at our favourite remote location?

@lloydo87t

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely! I totally think they would of IMHO, it’s no real secret the U.S has been exploiting Russian assets like Mig-29’s and SU-27’s.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

I am guessing so!

As a former Naval Aviator, “Eat your heart out”.

Had to laugh at the "cats" thing, half expecting it to be an acronym for some piece of military equipment.

32:58 did Starbaby just performed a SEAD mission on an youtube video?

what's the song in the beginning?

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

The Ukrainian one? Alas, I don't know. Pretty good though.

@TGodessa

Жыл бұрын

shazamed it for you )))kzread.info/dash/bejne/hmd6p4-LmrKbj7g.html&ab_channel=%D0%AE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%D0%9B%D1%83%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F

The Speak and Spell chip story was great, geeky detail on the weapon adaptation, and of course the Russians should go home.

What? Star Baby no HARM shots in anger … makes me giggle since I have in the EA-6.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

None. I put the hammer down on radars with GBU-12, GBU-10 and that piece of garbage CBU-87.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

And I don't discuss HARM modes.

@sharizabel2582

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions edited

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

@@sharizabel2582 Zog?

@sharizabel2582

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions yes, I’m Zog. Had a huge change in life.

I apologize if I missed this in a different video but do we have any idea why the Russians are not using their AWACS as much as you would expect a Western Air Force to do so? I don't think anyone is questioning that the Russians could keep a CAP up enough to protect a couple of them, it just seems very perplexing to me that they don't seem to be going that route.

I know that voice! It's Ops Room!

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

Lol. No, its not. 😊

I launched a HARM in Iraq at a target that turned out to be a civilian radio station over the border in Saudi Arabia. A court martial ensued. Fortunately this all took place in Falcon 4 sim.

Get a room!

klw news sent me

Poper aviation glasses

MiG-29 can launch a single R27. There is video and photos of Luftwaffe MiG-29's launching a single R27.

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

Before or after the conversion to MiG-29G? Or both? Thanks for the tip, either way.

Headed West

Porn stash, ray bans, thinning hair, sitting-down-swagger - you've got the Naval Aviator down pat!

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean "thinning hair"? I beg to differ. And is this the Billy Harvey who flew weasels at Spang? If so, I'm thrilled that you're listening. Even if not, I'm thrilled that you're listening.

@BillyHarvey

Жыл бұрын

@@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions Star Puppy - you have many secret stalkers...

Even Winnie the Pooh is siding with Ukraine!!!!

Are guys aware of DCS? Most answers are public knowledge.

@10percenttrue

Жыл бұрын

I'd like his subscriber numbers, but we are different people.

It's very interesting seeing Russians in action compared to how they're modelled in computer games. Obviously the fog of war is nearly impenetrable, but the fact is, IRL they sure don't have the same capability as they do in games! Watching Bayraktars kill active looking Buk's was the first sign that their AA systems weren't quite what they're made out to be. As of now? Clearly there are huge capability gaps in even their more modern platforms! Get to work programming stupid into Ru adversaries coders! At least add a 0 behind every OODA loop XD

@sosaboi1352

Жыл бұрын

Remember a lot of those AA Systems while having so much range and accuracy, are still manned by Humans and if they lack the training or skill to use the system effectively then it makes no difference in a fight.

@nunyabizness3436

Жыл бұрын

Remember that the Buk (SA-11) systems killed by TB2 in February and March were out of fuel.

@corvanphoenix

Жыл бұрын

@@nunyabizness3436 Yeah, true. That's a perfect usage though. Every SAM kill more than pays for the TB-2. There is also on-board footage from drones being shot down.

the internet was created for cat videos...i thought everyone knew that???!!!!!

I hope they do loads of harm with those.. ;)

This may be a DUH moment so forgive it if it is…..your voice sound like the narrator from the Operations Room. Is it possible your the same dude?

@StarbabyAirPiracyProductions

Жыл бұрын

It is not.

@copperrobocop978

Жыл бұрын

I am thinking he's James o'brien